• Message Base Glitch

    From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to All on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 08:02:00
    I may have posted this in the Facebook group, but could not
    recall if I posted it here.

    In messages I've posted, it shows the date and time of the
    message, with the correct local time, but it notes "UTC",
    which is WRONG.

    As an amateur weather enthusiast and an amateur radio operator,
    I know all about UTC, and use it during my traffic nets. But, I
    tried to set the system clock for UTC time when I was on dial-up,
    and it screwed up my echomail and netmail something fierce. So, I
    had to go back to my time zone (US Central), and Arkansas does
    observe Daylight Savings Time (DST).

    As a side note, I've heard that they're trying to get DST to
    "stay on" through the end of 2021, due to COVID-19. But, right
    now, all they want to do is get re-elected. Before the election
    they give voters the "thumbs up". After they win, they give voters
    "the bird".

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 10:08:28
    Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to All on Wed Sep 23 2020 08:02 am

    I may have posted this in the Facebook group, but could not
    recall if I posted it here.

    In messages I've posted, it shows the date and time of the
    message, with the correct local time, but it notes "UTC",
    which is WRONG.

    Set your local time zone in SCFG->System. Messages posted after that change will have that time zone recorded in the message header.

    digital man

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 21:57:00
    Rob,

    In messages I've posted, it shows the date and time of the
    message, with the correct local time, but it notes "UTC",
    which is WRONG.

    Set your local time zone in SCFG->System. Messages posted after that change will have that time zone recorded in the message header.

    I did that yesterday, and it didn't seem to take. I'll look at this
    with the replies I upload.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 21:34:49
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Wed Sep 23 2020 09:57 pm

    Rob,

    In messages I've posted, it shows the date and time of the
    message, with the correct local time, but it notes "UTC",
    which is WRONG.

    Set your local time zone in SCFG->System. Messages posted after that change will have that time zone recorded in the message header.

    I did that yesterday, and it didn't seem to take. I'll look at this
    with the replies I upload.

    This message, along with the previous message you posted (that I quoted above) both have a time zone in the message header as "CDT":

    Date: Wed Sep 23 2020 09:57 pm CDT (1.6 hours ago)

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #57:
    Phreak = Telephone system hack[er]
    Norco, CA WX: 74.0F, 50.0% humidity, 0 mph SSE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:16:57
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Wed Sep 23 2020 09:34 pm

    Rob,

    This message, along with the previous message you posted (that I quoted above) both have a time zone in the message header as "CDT":

    Well, it's showing up here as UTC...and I'm not logging in from the host console.

    Daryl
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Thursday, September 24, 2020 11:45:26
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Thu Sep 24 2020 10:16 am

    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on
    Wed Sep 23 2020 09:34 pm

    Rob,

    This message, along with the previous message you posted (that I quoted above) both have a time zone in the message header as "CDT":

    Well, it's showing up here as UTC...and I'm not logging in from the host console.

    Can you provide more details? There are *many* ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I can't guess which way you are using.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #4:
    Synchronet version 3 is written mostly in C, with some C++, x86 ASM, and Pascal.
    Norco, CA WX: 84.8F, 36.0% humidity, 5 mph NNE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Thursday, September 24, 2020 17:44:00
    Rob,

    Well, it's showing up here as UTC...and I'm not logging in from the host console.

    Can you provide more details? There are *many* ways in Synchronet to
    view a message header. I can't guess which way you are using.

    Well, the time shows up correctly...but instead of CDT, it shows UTC instead. Everything else is correct.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Thursday, September 24, 2020 21:29:04
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Thu Sep 24 2020 05:44 pm

    Rob,

    Well, it's showing up here as UTC...and I'm not logging in from the host console.

    Can you provide more details? There are *many* ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I can't guess which way you are using.

    Well, the time shows up correctly...but instead of CDT, it shows UTC instead. Everything else is correct.

    There are many ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I'm assuming you're referring to the terminal server which you are using via Telnet, SSH, or RLogin. Are you using a custom or 3rd party message reader module? Or a custom message header? Are you using msglist.js or the old scrolling message scan? I can't guess the answers to these questions.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #70:
    SpiderMonkey = Mozilla's C/C++ JavaScript Engine (libmozjs)
    Norco, CA WX: 71.6F, 56.0% humidity, 0 mph S wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Thursday, September 24, 2020 21:54:32
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Thu Sep 24 2020 09:29 pm

    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Thu Sep 24 2020 05:44 pm

    Rob,

    Well, it's showing up here as UTC...and I'm not logging in from the host console.

    Can you provide more details? There are *many* ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I can't guess which way you are using.

    Well, the time shows up correctly...but instead of CDT, it shows UTC instead. Everything else is correct.

    There are many ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I'm assuming you're referring to the terminal server which you are using via Telnet, SSH, or RLogin. Are you using a custom or 3rd party message reader module? Or a custom message header? Are you using msglist.js or the old scrolling message scan? I can't guess the answers to these questions.

    Trying to get the bottom of your report, I logged onto your BBS as Guest and here's what I noticed:

    1. You don't have msglist.js installed (which is fine, it's just another tool that possibly could help to identify the cause of your problem).

    2. *All* the messages in your Local group, most of which were posted before SBBS v3.18 was a thing, were displayed as having been written in UTC.

    3. When I downloaded a QWK packet with a HEADERS.DAT file, *all* of those same messages are shown to have a time zone of "c168" (which is CDT, UTC-5). So the message bases are fine, the messages were posted correctly.

    So again, I ask, are you using a custom message header?

    digital man

    Rush quote #33:
    With the heart and mind united in a single, perfect sphere
    Norco, CA WX: 71.6F, 57.0% humidity, 0 mph S wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Friday, September 25, 2020 09:13:00
    Rob,


    There are many ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I'm assuming you're referring to the terminal server which you are using via Telnet, SSH, or RLogin. Are you using a custom or 3rd party message reader module? Or a custom message header? Are you using msglist.js or the old scrolling message scan? I can't guess the answers to these questions.

    Trying to get the bottom of your report, I logged onto your BBS as
    Guest and here's what I noticed:

    1. You don't have msglist.js installed (which is fine, it's just
    another tool that possibly could help to identify the cause of your problem).

    I wasn't even aware of such, but I guess I could install it.

    2. *All* the messages in your Local group, most of which were posted before SBBS v3.18 was a thing, were displayed as having been written in UTC.

    I tried that, and still no dice. I did a login with echicken's web
    interface (logon via telnet from the website), and the same thing. I had
    an external FTelnet link, but it's not connecting at all now...so, I've
    got to figure out what the issue is there.

    3. When I downloaded a QWK packet with a HEADERS.DAT file, *all* of
    those same messages are shown to have a time zone of "c168" (which is
    CDT, UTC-5). So the message bases are fine, the messages were posted correctly.

    I saw that, and that you had changed the password for the Guest User,
    so I changed it back. In that regard, is there an exemption or restriction
    for Synchronet to exempt certain users from a password change?? As of now,
    I'd prefer that to apply only to the Guest account.

    So again, I ask, are you using a custom message header?

    I was just reading the messages online, with the Synchronet Command
    shell, using the SlyEdit message editor, when posting/reading messages.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Friday, September 25, 2020 09:13:00
    Rob,

    Well, the time shows up correctly...but instead of CDT, it shows UTC instead. Everything else is correct.

    There are many ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I'm
    assuming you're referring to the terminal server which you are using
    via Telnet, SSH, or RLogin. Are you using a custom or 3rd party message reader module? Or a custom message header? Are you using msglist.js or
    the old scrolling message scan? I can't guess the answers to these questions.

    That showed up whether I used MTel, SyncTerm, or went through echicken's
    web interface...I guess it's a deal on the LAN. I haven't checked it via
    an external FTelnet link that I set up off of my own homepage, which I did before echicken's web interface was incorporated into Synchronet.

    I would've loved to have run the system on UTC, since I'm an amateur
    radio operator, and an amateur weather enthusiast. But, when I tried
    it last time, it screwed up my netmail and echomail royally.

    Daryl


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Friday, September 25, 2020 09:53:15
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Fri Sep 25 2020 09:13 am

    Rob,


    There are many ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I'm assuming you're referring to the terminal server which you are using via Telnet, SSH, or RLogin. Are you using a custom or 3rd party message reader module? Or a custom message header? Are you using msglist.js or the old scrolling message scan? I can't guess the answers to these questions.

    Trying to get the bottom of your report, I logged onto your BBS as Guest and here's what I noticed:

    1. You don't have msglist.js installed (which is fine, it's just another tool that possibly could help to identify the cause of your problem).

    I wasn't even aware of such, but I guess I could install it.

    2. *All* the messages in your Local group, most of which were posted before SBBS v3.18 was a thing, were displayed as having been written in UTC.

    I tried that, and still no dice.

    You tried *what*, exactly?

    I did a login with echicken's web
    interface (logon via telnet from the website), and the same thing. I had
    an external FTelnet link, but it's not connecting at all now...so, I've
    got to figure out what the issue is there.

    3. When I downloaded a QWK packet with a HEADERS.DAT file, *all* of those same messages are shown to have a time zone of "c168" (which is CDT, UTC-5). So the message bases are fine, the messages were posted correctly.

    I saw that, and that you had changed the password for the Guest User,
    so I changed it back. In that regard, is there an exemption or restriction for Synchronet to exempt certain users from a password change?? As of now, I'd prefer that to apply only to the Guest account.

    No, but I changed the code so in future versions users with no password won't be forced to change it on your password-change schedule.

    So again, I ask, are you using a custom message header?

    I was just reading the messages online, with the Synchronet Command
    shell, using the SlyEdit message editor, when posting/reading messages.

    Yeah, that's not the question. So... do you have a text/menu/msghdr.* file? Or have you made any changes to your ctrl/text.dat file?

    digital man

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    Norco, CA WX: 76.4F, 54.0% humidity, 0 mph WSW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Friday, September 25, 2020 09:56:15
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Fri Sep 25 2020 09:13 am

    I saw that, and that you had changed the password for the Guest User,
    so I changed it back. In that regard, is there an exemption or restriction for Synchronet to exempt certain users from a password change?? As of now, I'd prefer that to apply only to the Guest account.

    So the Guest password is normally blank. And that's what it was before your system forced me to change to something non-blank. You've you "changed it back" to something else (not blank and not the password I changed it to) - so can't login as Guest now.

    digital man

    Rush quote #33:
    With the heart and mind united in a single, perfect sphere
    Norco, CA WX: 76.4F, 54.0% humidity, 0 mph WSW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Friday, September 25, 2020 10:02:31
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Fri Sep 25 2020 09:13 am

    Rob,

    Well, the time shows up correctly...but instead of CDT, it shows UTC instead. Everything else is correct.

    There are many ways in Synchronet to view a message header. I'm assuming you're referring to the terminal server which you are using via Telnet, SSH, or RLogin. Are you using a custom or 3rd party message reader module? Or a custom message header? Are you using msglist.js or the old scrolling message scan? I can't guess the answers to these questions.

    That showed up whether I used MTel, SyncTerm,

    Which terminal program you used, doesn't seem relevant to the problem.

    or went through echicken's web interface...

    I think you're referring to fTelnet here (again, wouldn't be relevant). When using echicken's actual web interface to view messages on your BBS (e.g. http://tbolt.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=local-notices&thread=60), no time zone is displayed.

    That I guess it's a deal on the LAN.

    No.

    I haven't checked it via
    an external FTelnet link that I set up off of my own homepage, which I did before echicken's web interface was incorporated into Synchronet.

    Again, the terminal program isn't going to make any difference.

    I would've loved to have run the system on UTC, since I'm an amateur
    radio operator, and an amateur weather enthusiast. But, when I tried
    it last time, it screwed up my netmail and echomail royally.

    So I logged in to your BBS in 40 column mode and viewed a message header, and voila: "cdt" was displayed. So it appears you have a custom message header that has hard-coded (for 80 column users) with the string "UTC" in it.


    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #31:
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Daryl Stout on Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:26:20
    On 9/24/2020 3:44 PM, Daryl Stout wrote:
    Rob,
    >
    > Well, it's showing up here as UTC...and I'm not logging in from the host
    > console.

    DM> Can you provide more details? There are *many* ways in Synchronet to
    DM> view a message header. I can't guess which way you are using.

    Well, the time shows up correctly...but instead of CDT, it shows UTC instead.
    Everything else is correct.

    Here's your message that I'm replying to's nntp header.

    Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:44:00 -0500

    -0500 should be central right now.

    Definitely not UTC, where are you viewing this, telnet, web, nntp?

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Saturday, September 26, 2020 16:13:00
    Rob,

    2. *All* the messages in your Local group, most of which were posted before SBBS v3.18 was a thing, were displayed as having been written in UTC.

    I tried that, and still no dice.

    You tried *what*, exactly?

    Posting a message locally...they still show up from the BBS computer, over the LAN via SyncTerm, or coming in via the website telnet interface from echicken. Each message shows the correct local time, but show UTC at this
    end instead of CDT. I went into SCFG -> System -> Time Zone -- setting it
    at US Central Time, and Automatic for Daylight Savings Time.

    No, but I changed the code so in future versions users with no password won't be forced to change it on your password-change schedule.

    OK, I got that, and it works. I had to delete and reinstall the Guest
    account for it to work. When I logged on, I was asked if I wanted to enable
    the Guest account, and I said "yes".

    Yeah, that's not the question. So... do you have a text/menu/msghdr.* file? Or have you made any changes to your ctrl/text.dat file?

    No on both counts.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Saturday, September 26, 2020 16:14:00
    Rob,

    So the Guest password is normally blank. And that's what it was before your system forced me to change to something non-blank. You've you "changed it back" to something else (not blank and not the password I changed it to) - so can't login as Guest now.

    It also blocked the FTP logons. I've installed the SBBS_DEV.ZIP from
    Sep. 25, 2020, and it is back to a blank password with Guest.

    Daryl
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Saturday, September 26, 2020 17:31:00
    Rob,

    Which terminal program you used, doesn't seem relevant to the problem.

    I wasn't sure if it did or not. The display with MTel or SyncTerm still showed it as that (it still showed UTC instead of GMT).

    I would've loved to have run the system on UTC, since I'm an amateur
    radio operator, and an amateur weather enthusiast. But, when I tried
    it last time, it screwed up my netmail and echomail royally.

    So I logged in to your BBS in 40 column mode and viewed a message
    header, and voila: "cdt" was displayed. So it appears you have a custom message header that has hard-coded (for 80 column users) with the
    string "UTC" in it.

    I haven't made any changes in the text.dat file.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Saturday, September 26, 2020 21:34:16
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Sat Sep 26 2020 04:13 pm

    Rob,

    2. *All* the messages in your Local group, most of which were posted before SBBS v3.18 was a thing, were displayed as having been written in UTC.

    I tried that, and still no dice.

    You tried *what*, exactly?

    Posting a message locally...they still show up from the BBS computer, over the LAN via SyncTerm, or coming in via the website telnet interface from echicken. Each message shows the correct local time, but show UTC at this end instead of CDT. I went into SCFG -> System -> Time Zone -- setting it
    at US Central Time, and Automatic for Daylight Savings Time.

    I don't think it's a setting issue.

    No, but I changed the code so in future versions users with no password won't be forced to change it on your password-change schedule.

    OK, I got that, and it works. I had to delete and reinstall the Guest account for it to work. When I logged on, I was asked if I wanted to enable the Guest account, and I said "yes".

    Yeah, that's not the question. So... do you have a text/menu/msghdr.* file? Or have you made any changes to your ctrl/text.dat file?

    No on both counts.

    I suspect you have a text/menu/msghdr.* file. As I said earlier, when I logged into your BBS in 40-column mode, the messages' time zones were displayed correctly. This would be because a different message header display file is used in 40-column mode (by default, msghdr.40col.asc). So take a look at your text/menu directory and I'm guessing that'll refresh your memory at some change you made there.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Saturday, September 26, 2020 22:00:18
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Sat Sep 26 2020 05:31 pm

    Rob,

    Which terminal program you used, doesn't seem relevant to the problem.

    I wasn't sure if it did or not. The display with MTel or SyncTerm still showed it as that (it still showed UTC instead of GMT).

    I would've loved to have run the system on UTC, since I'm an amateur radio operator, and an amateur weather enthusiast. But, when I tried
    it last time, it screwed up my netmail and echomail royally.

    So I logged in to your BBS in 40 column mode and viewed a message header, and voila: "cdt" was displayed. So it appears you have a custom message header that has hard-coded (for 80 column users) with the string "UTC" in it.

    I haven't made any changes in the text.dat file.

    You can also change the message headers via text/menu/msghdr.* files.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #1:
    Nigel Tufnel: These go to eleven.
    Norco, CA WX: 66.5F, 82.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Monday, September 28, 2020 15:23:18
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Sat Sep 26 2020 10:00 pm

    I wasn't sure if it did or not. The display with MTel or SyncTerm still showed it as that (it still showed UTC instead of GMT).

    I haven't made any changes in the text.dat file.

    You can also change the message headers via text/menu/msghdr.* files.

    Can you please perform a "dir sbbs\text\menu\msghdr*" and paste the output into a reply message here?

    digital man

    Rush quote #51:
    Suddenly you were gone from all the lives you left your mark upon
    Norco, CA WX: 94.2F, 36.0% humidity, 9 mph NE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Tracker1 on Monday, September 28, 2020 13:04:00
    Michael,

    Here's your message that I'm replying to's nntp header.

    Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:44:00 -0500

    -0500 should be central right now.

    Definitely not UTC, where are you viewing this, telnet, web, nntp?

    Telnet via SyncTerm...or web via echicken's web interface. If I have
    a NNTP deal, I'm not aware of it, let alone how to use it.

    I guess I'll have to take a screenshot, and post it to the Facebook
    group.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Monday, September 28, 2020 13:06:00
    Rob,

    end instead of CDT. I went into SCFG -> System -> Time Zone -- setting it
    at US Central Time, and Automatic for Daylight Savings Time.

    I don't think it's a setting issue.

    I'll have to get a screenshot, and post it via Facebook. For the editor,
    I'm using SlyEdit...but prefer to do my messages via QWK Mail.

    I suspect you have a text/menu/msghdr.* file. As I said earlier, when I logged into your BBS in 40-column mode, the messages' time zones were displayed correctly. This would be because a different message header display file is used in 40-column mode (by default, msghdr.40col.asc).
    So take a look at your text/menu directory and I'm guessing that'll refresh your memory at some change you made there.

    It's on the other computer, but I can look at it via TeamViewer.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Monday, September 28, 2020 13:07:00
    Rob,

    You can also change the message headers via text/menu/msghdr.* files.

    OK, I'll check that. I wonder if a utility I had installed awhile back
    (that I obviously don't remember now) changed things.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Monday, September 28, 2020 18:37:43
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Tracker1 on Mon Sep 28 2020 01:04 pm

    Michael,

    Here's your message that I'm replying to's nntp header.

    Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:44:00 -0500

    -0500 should be central right now.

    Definitely not UTC, where are you viewing this, telnet, web, nntp?

    Telnet via SyncTerm...or web via echicken's web interface. If I have
    a NNTP deal, I'm not aware of it, let alone how to use it.

    I guess I'll have to take a screenshot, and post it to the Facebook
    group.

    That's not necessary. I logged into your BBS and saw it with my own eyes.

    digital man

    Sling Blade quote #3:
    Karl (re: killing Doyle): That second one just plum near cut his head in two. Norco, CA WX: 85.1F, 42.0% humidity, 5 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Monday, September 28, 2020 18:39:23
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Mon Sep 28 2020 01:06 pm

    Rob,

    end instead of CDT. I went into SCFG -> System -> Time Zone -- setting it at US Central Time, and Automatic for Daylight Savings Time.

    I don't think it's a setting issue.

    I'll have to get a screenshot, and post it via Facebook. For the editor, I'm using SlyEdit...but prefer to do my messages via QWK Mail.

    That's not necessary, I saw it with my own eyes. It only happens in 80-column mode, so that tells me you have a custom msghdr file that's doing this weird thing.

    I suspect you have a text/menu/msghdr.* file. As I said earlier, when I logged into your BBS in 40-column mode, the messages' time zones were displayed correctly. This would be because a different message header display file is used in 40-column mode (by default, msghdr.40col.asc). So take a look at your text/menu directory and I'm guessing that'll refresh your memory at some change you made there.

    It's on the other computer, but I can look at it via TeamViewer.

    However you peformed the text.dat update, you should also be able to get a directory of files on that same system.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #98:
    Synchronet v3.12a was released on December 31st of 2004 (Rob's birthday). Norco, CA WX: 85.1F, 42.0% humidity, 5 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Monday, September 28, 2020 18:40:06
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Mon Sep 28 2020 01:07 pm

    Rob,

    You can also change the message headers via text/menu/msghdr.* files.

    OK, I'll check that. I wonder if a utility I had installed awhile back (that I obviously don't remember now) changed things.

    I don't know. And won't know until we find out the exact cause.

    digital man

    Sling Blade quote #10:
    Morris: I stand on the hill, not for thrill, but for the breath of a fresh kill Norco, CA WX: 85.1F, 42.0% humidity, 5 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 07:53:00
    Rob,

    I guess I'll have to take a screenshot, and post it to the Facebook
    group.

    That's not necessary. I logged into your BBS and saw it with my own
    eyes.

    So, what is the verdict, Your Honor?? I guess I'm guilty of being a
    worthless Sysop. Maybe it's time I give up my hobbies and disappear.

    Daryl

    ... I'm perfectly normal. Just ask one of my psychiatrists.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 09:37:54
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Tue Sep 29 2020 07:53 am

    Rob,

    I guess I'll have to take a screenshot, and post it to the Facebook group.

    That's not necessary. I logged into your BBS and saw it with my own eyes.

    So, what is the verdict, Your Honor??

    You definitely have a unique problem. I noticed (on your system) that:
    - messages posted *east* of UTC, display the time zone correctly (e.g. UTC+1)
    - messages posted *west* of UTC, always show as just "UTC"
    - unless you login with a 40 column terminal (which uses msghdr.40col.*)
    - unless you download a QWK packet (the headers.dat includes the correct TZs) - for all messages, the "age" displayed in the header appears correct

    There's no verdict yet.

    I guess I'm guilty of being a
    worthless Sysop. Maybe it's time I give up my hobbies and disappear.

    Doesn't appear so.

    digital man

    Rush quote #42:
    Media messiahs preying on my fears, pop culture prophets playing in my ears Norco, CA WX: 88.9F, 26.0% humidity, 0 mph SSW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:25:08
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Tue Sep 29 2020 09:37 am

    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Tue Sep 29 2020 07:53 am

    Rob,

    I guess I'll have to take a screenshot, and post it to the Facebook group.

    That's not necessary. I logged into your BBS and saw it with my own eyes.

    So, what is the verdict, Your Honor??

    Can you be sure the x86 version of this is installed on the BBS system: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=53840

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #23:
    David St. Hubbins: I envy us.
    Norco, CA WX: 97.3F, 16.0% humidity, 3 mph SW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 17:59:06
    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Tue Sep 29 2020 09:37 am

    Re: Re: Message Base Glitch
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Tue Sep 29 2020 07:53 am

    Rob,

    I guess I'll have to take a screenshot, and post it to the Facebook group.

    That's not necessary. I logged into your BBS and saw it with my own eyes.

    So, what is the verdict, Your Honor??

    You definitely have a unique problem. I noticed (on your system) that:
    - messages posted *east* of UTC, display the time zone correctly (e.g. UTC+1)
    - messages posted *west* of UTC, always show as just "UTC"
    - unless you login with a 40 column terminal (which uses msghdr.40col.*)
    - unless you download a QWK packet (the headers.dat includes the correct TZs) - for all messages, the "age" displayed in the header appears correct

    There's no verdict yet.

    I guess I'm guilty of being a
    worthless Sysop. Maybe it's time I give up my hobbies and disappear.

    Doesn't appear so.

    Are you running in a VM?

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #12:
    Synchronet was the first BBS software to ship with built-in RIPscrip support. Norco, CA WX: 93.6F, 29.0% humidity, 9 mph NE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Thursday, October 01, 2020 15:41:00
    Rob,

    You definitely have a unique problem. I noticed (on your system) that:
    - messages posted *east* of UTC, display the time zone correctly (e.g. UTC+1) - messages posted *west* of UTC, always show as just "UTC"
    - unless you login with a 40 column terminal (which uses
    msghdr.40col.*)
    - unless you download a QWK packet (the headers.dat includes the
    correct TZs) - for all messages, the "age" displayed in the header
    appears correct

    There's no verdict yet.

    I'm running it under Windows 10 32-bit (I didn't want to lose the door games), although the laptop I read the mail on is Windows 10 64-bit. But,
    I didn't think that was the issue.

    I've also copied in default text.dat, and the msghdr.40col.* files to
    the system, from sbbs_run.zip

    I guess I'm guilty of being a
    worthless Sysop. Maybe it's time I give up my hobbies and disappear.

    Doesn't appear so.

    I have to wonder.

    Daryl

    ... I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Thursday, October 01, 2020 15:43:00
    Rob,

    Can you be sure the x86 version of this is installed on the BBS system: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=53840

    I've saved this to a separate message, and will check it via Team
    Viewer. The BBS is in my late parents bedroom on what was my late
    Mom's computer...my laptop is in my bedroom. I no longer have a
    desktop computer.

    Daryl

    ... If everything seems to be OK, you've overlooked something.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Thursday, October 01, 2020 15:44:00
    Rob,

    Are you running in a VM?

    No. It's Windows 10 32-bit on the BBS computer. Otherwise, the doors
    wouldn't run.

    Daryl

    ... Roger, Roger. What's Our Vector, Victor??
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