• Echocfg + Scfg

    From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Saturday, April 04, 2020 14:50:26
    Hi DM. Is there a chance in the future that you might consider combining both into 1 configuration file? Most BBSes have that feature built-in.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Saturday, April 04, 2020 15:14:48
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 02:50 pm

    Hi DM. Is there a chance in the future that you might consider combining both into 1 configuration file? Most BBSes have that feature built-in.

    I don't think so.

    digital man

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Saturday, April 04, 2020 15:25:01
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 02:50 pm

    I don't think so.

    digital man

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    May I ask the reason why?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Saturday, April 04, 2020 17:36:03
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 03:25 pm


    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 02:50 pm

    I don't think so.

    May I ask the reason why?

    Because echocfg is to sbbsecho, what scfg is to sbbs.

    It's somewhat important that the version of echocfg you run matches the version of SBBSecho you run, while it's irrelevant to sbbs what version of echocfg you run and (pretty) irrelevant to sbbsecho was version of scfg you run.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Saturday, April 04, 2020 18:38:31
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 03:25 pm

    Because echocfg is to sbbsecho, what scfg is to sbbs.

    It's somewhat important that the version of echocfg you run matches the version of SBBSecho you run, while it's irrelevant to sbbs what version of echocfg you run and (pretty) irrelevant to sbbsecho was version of scfg you run.

    digital man

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    Then why do most authors combine the two into 1 cfg file?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Saturday, April 04, 2020 18:51:34
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 06:38 pm


    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 03:25 pm

    Because echocfg is to sbbsecho, what scfg is to sbbs.

    It's somewhat important that the version of echocfg you run matches the version of SBBSecho you run, while it's irrelevant to sbbs what version of echocfg you run and (pretty) irrelevant to sbbsecho was version of scfg you run.

    Then why do most authors combine the two into 1 cfg file?

    Simple answer: they don't.

    I think you're assumption about the integration of "most" BBS and FTN EchoMail programs is incorrect. Perhaps *some* BBS packages have integrated EchoMail functionality (Mystic comes to mind), but *most* do not.

    But that's really irrelevant anyway, because we're talking about the design of Synchronet, where the BBS software is distinctly separate from the echomail program, SBBSecho. You don't *have* to use SBBSecho for FidoNet mail import/export in Synchronet; you could, at least in theory, and the past in practice, use a different EchoMail program (e.g. InterMail). If you were to use a different EchoMail program, then the integration fo SBBSecho's configuration in the BBS's integration would make no sense and just be a point of extra confusion for sysops.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Saturday, April 04, 2020 19:05:51
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 06:38 pm

    Simple answer: they don't.

    I think you're assumption about the integration of "most" BBS and FTN EchoMail programs is incorrect. Perhaps *some* BBS packages have integrated EchoMail functionality (Mystic comes to mind), but *most* do not.

    But that's really irrelevant anyway, because we're talking about the design of Synchronet, where the BBS software is distinctly separate from the echomail program, SBBSecho. You don't *have* to use SBBSecho for FidoNet mail import/export in Synchronet; you could, at least in theory, and the past in practice, use a different EchoMail program (e.g. InterMail). If you were to use a different EchoMail program, then the integration fo SBBSecho's configuration in the BBS's integration would make no sense and just be a point of extra confusion for sysops.

    digital man

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    Are you making Synchronet a flexible package to work with? Meaning to allow third party interconnection with the system, that is.

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to The Millionaire on Saturday, April 04, 2020 22:17:52
    Then why do most authors combine the two into 1 cfg file?

    Like who?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Saturday, April 04, 2020 19:19:03
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 07:05 pm


    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 06:38 pm

    Simple answer: they don't.

    I think you're assumption about the integration of "most" BBS and FTN EchoMail programs is incorrect. Perhaps *some* BBS packages have integrated EchoMail functionality (Mystic comes to mind), but *most* do not.

    But that's really irrelevant anyway, because we're talking about the design of Synchronet, where the BBS software is distinctly separate from the echomail program, SBBSecho. You don't *have* to use SBBSecho for FidoNet mail import/export in Synchronet; you could, at least in theory, and the past in practice, use a different EchoMail program (e.g. InterMail). If you were to use a different EchoMail program, then the integration fo SBBSecho's configuration in the BBS's integration would make no sense and just be a point of extra confusion for sysops.

    Are you making Synchronet a flexible package to work with?

    I sure hope so.

    Meaning to allow
    third party interconnection with the system, that is.

    Yes, it always has been. Would you assume it wasn't or wouldn't?

    digital man

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Saturday, April 04, 2020 22:49:53
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 19:05:51

    in practice, use a different EchoMail program (e.g. InterMail). If you were
    to use a different EchoMail program, then the integration fo SBBSecho's
    configuration in the BBS's integration would make no sense and just be a
    point of extra confusion for sysops.

    Are you making Synchronet a flexible package to work with? Meaning to allow
    third party interconnection with the system, that is.

    Yes, he just gave a specific example of how this is the case.

    There are many integrations between Synchronet and third-party systems of various kinds, and if a new one is needed, we have most of the tools we need to make it happen.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Netsurge on Saturday, April 04, 2020 22:54:53
    Re: Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: Netsurge to The Millionaire on Sat Apr 04 2020 22:17:52

    Then why do most authors combine the two into 1 cfg file?

    Like who?

    Oh, you know, those other guys. The ones who combine them into one cfg file.

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to echicken on Saturday, April 04, 2020 23:04:44
    Oh, you know, those other guys. The ones who combine them into one cfg file.

    I forgot about those guys.

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Sunday, April 05, 2020 10:19:38
    Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 19:05:51


    Are you making Synchronet a flexible package to work with? Meaning to allow third party interconnection with the system, that is.

    it has been for the last decade or two... where have you been?


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, April 05, 2020 15:21:00
    On 04-04-20 18:51, Digital Man wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    I think you're assumption about the integration of "most" BBS and FTN EchoMail programs is incorrect. Perhaps *some* BBS packages have integrated EchoMail functionality (Mystic comes to mind), but *most* do not.

    Mystic is the only one I've used that has integrated BBS/tosser configuration. Like many sysops, I come from the days when you used a BBS, mailer and tosser from 3 separate authors. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to echicken on Sunday, April 05, 2020 15:22:00
    On 04-04-20 22:49, echicken wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    There are many integrations between Synchronet and third-party systems
    of various kinds, and if a new one is needed, we have most of the tools
    we need to make it happen.

    In my case, I use SBSS and SBBSEcho, but I use BinkD as my mailer instead of the supplied BinkIT.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Monday, April 06, 2020 10:35:42
    Re: Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: Tony Langdon to Digital Man on Sun Apr 05 2020 03:21 pm

    I think you're assumption about the integration of "most" BBS and
    FTN EchoMail programs is incorrect. Perhaps *some* BBS packages have
    integrated EchoMail functionality (Mystic comes to mind), but *most*
    do not.

    Mystic is the only one I've used that has integrated BBS/tosser configuration. Like many sysops, I come from the days when you used a BBS, mailer and tosser from 3 separate authors. :)

    Yeah, I think it makes sense for those to be separate pieces. A sysop also might not choose to join a FTN network, so it doesn't really make sense to have the FTN settings in the main BBS configuration program. Then again, Synchronet has QWK settings in SCFG when a sysop might not necessarily join a QWK network either..

    And checking again, SCFG does have some FidoNet settings in SCFG under Networks > FidoNet EchoMail and NetMail

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Monday, April 06, 2020 10:36:56
    Re: Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: Tony Langdon to echicken on Sun Apr 05 2020 03:22 pm

    In my case, I use SBSS and SBBSEcho, but I use BinkD as my mailer instead of the supplied BinkIT.

    I used to use a 3rd-party mailer (Radius), but I switched to BinkIt because I like that it's included with Synchronet. Also BinkIt is written in JavaScript, so if I ever moved my BBS from Windows to Linux, BinkIt would still run.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tony Langdon on Monday, April 06, 2020 08:03:00
    Tony Langdon wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Mystic is the only one I've used that has integrated BBS/tosser configuration. Like many sysops, I come from the days when you used a
    BBS, mailer and tosser from 3 separate authors. :)

    Heck, I just left there - I was running Synchronet, Allfix, and Radius less than a year ago, it's fairly recently that Synchronet added integrated the mailer and file echo support.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 19:19:00
    On 04-06-20 10:35, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yeah, I think it makes sense for those to be separate pieces. A sysop also might not choose to join a FTN network, so it doesn't really make sense to have the FTN settings in the main BBS configuration program.
    Then again, Synchronet has QWK settings in SCFG when a sysop might not necessarily join a QWK network either..

    QWK has historically been close to the BBS, usually in the form of a door in the past, integrated these days.

    And checking again, SCFG does have some FidoNet settings in SCFG under Networks

    As did BBS packages - mainly system addresses.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 19:48:00
    On 04-06-20 10:36, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: Tony Langdon to echicken on Sun Apr 05 2020 03:22 pm

    In my case, I use SBSS and SBBSEcho, but I use BinkD as my mailer instead of the supplied BinkIT.

    I used to use a 3rd-party mailer (Radius), but I switched to BinkIt because I like that it's included with Synchronet. Also BinkIt is
    written in JavaScript, so if I ever moved my BBS from Windows to Linux, BinkIt would still run.

    I'm using BinkD, because that's where I started. And it fits like an old glove now. I probably could switch to BinkIT, but it's now a case of "if it ain't broke...". :)

    I'm running on Linux, highly unlikely to switch to Windows. I have a strong preference for Linux for server tasks, Windows tends to be used for the desktop/client side of things.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 19:50:00
    On 04-06-20 08:03, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Heck, I just left there - I was running Synchronet, Allfix, and Radius less than a year ago, it's fairly recently that Synchronet added integrated the mailer and file echo support.

    Yes, it had neither when I started using Synchronet, but as I wasn't using a TIC processor, I went straight to TickIT, but kept using BinkD.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 13:22:52
    Re: Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Tue Apr 07 2020 07:48 pm

    I'm running on Linux, highly unlikely to switch to Windows. I have a strong preference for Linux for server tasks, Windows tends to be used for the desktop/client side of things.

    I can understand that. For BBSing though, I did a lot of BBSing starting in the early 90s. That was before Linux got big, so all of my BBSing was pretty much in DOS. I ran my original BBS in DOS too, so I guess I tend to feel like DOS & Windows is the natural place for running a BBS. Many BBS doors were written for DOS, so a 32-bit Windows environment these days is where everything just works. I know Synchronet for Linux can run DOS doors though. I've considered moving my BBS to Linux at some point.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 19:30:00
    On 04-07-20 13:22, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I can understand that. For BBSing though, I did a lot of BBSing
    starting in the early 90s. That was before Linux got big, so all of my BBSing was pretty much in DOS. I ran my original BBS in DOS too, so I

    Ad did I, but I started using Linux for a lot of things from the late 1995.

    guess I tend to feel like DOS & Windows is the natural place for
    running a BBS. Many BBS doors were written for DOS, so a 32-bit
    Windows environment these days is where everything just works. I know Synchronet for Linux can run DOS doors though. I've considered moving
    my BBS to Linux at some point.

    I don't have a 32 bit Windows machine these days, they're all 64 bit anyway. :)
    Most of the things I'd have setup doors for are internal - like QWK.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 12:17:37
    Re: Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Apr 08 2020 07:30 pm

    I don't have a 32 bit Windows machine these days, they're all 64 bit anyway. :)

    You can buy a 32-bit PC fairly cheap, or I imagine you could probably still find a copy of a 32-bit Windows to buy fairly cheap and set up a VM if you wanted.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, April 09, 2020 15:03:00
    On 04-08-20 12:17, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: Echocfg + Scfg
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Apr 08 2020 07:30 pm

    I don't have a 32 bit Windows machine these days, they're all 64 bit anyway. :)

    You can buy a 32-bit PC fairly cheap, or I imagine you could probably still find a copy of a 32-bit Windows to buy fairly cheap and set up a
    VM if you wanted.

    Nah I'll pass. :P About the only reason i could think of doing it would be to run a door server, but why bother? There's enough to choose from there already, don't need a "me too" effort. :)


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