Hey DM,
I did rebuilds today - both on Intel and RPi - with the intention of moving my system back to the Pi.
I cloned my BBS data to the Pi and started it, and I got some errors on startup:
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8/26 22:10:12 term Node 1 socket 34 attached to local interface 172.17.0.3 port 23
8/26 22:10:17 term Node 1 !ERROR 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) in main.cpp line 3506 (init) locking "/opt/sbbs/ctrl/node.dab" access=1
There was a recent change to the file record locking code, for Linux, in src/xpdev/filewrap.c. This change to was to make use of Open File Description Locks, when available, instead of POSIX locks. To see
if this is the issue, try replacing the file src/xpdev/filewrap.c with revision 1.46 of filewrap.c:
http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/src/xpdev/filewrap.c?revision=1.46
Perform a rebuild and see if the issue goes away or persists and let me know. Thanks,
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 01:37 pm
There was a recent change to the file record locking code, for Linux, in src/xpdev/filewrap.c. This change to was to make use of Open File Description Locks, when available, instead of POSIX locks. To see
if this is the issue, try replacing the file src/xpdev/filewrap.c with revision 1.46 of filewrap.c: http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi /*checkout*/src/xpdev/filewrap.c ?revision=1.46
Perform a rebuild and see if the issue goes away or persists and let me know. Thanks,
OK, it appears to OK with that version of filewrap.c
No errors on startup, and telneting to the BBS works.
What's the difference between a pi and an iPad?
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 12:36 pm
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 01:37 pm
There was a recent change to the file record locking code, for Linux, in src/xpdev/filewrap.c. This change to was to make use of Open File Description Locks, when available, instead of POSIX locks. To see
if this is the issue, try replacing the file src/xpdev/filewrap.c with revision 1.46 of filewrap.c: http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi /*checkout*/src/xpdev/filewrap.c ?revision=1.46
Perform a rebuild and see if the issue goes away or persists and let me know. Thanks,
OK, it appears to OK with that version of filewrap.c
No errors on startup, and telneting to the BBS works.
Oh, that's kind of a bummer. Maybe Open File Descripton Locks are supported in your Linux distro/version?
Oh, that's kind of a bummer. Maybe Open File Descripton Locks are supported in your Linux distro/version?
Linux p-1-1 4.19.58-v7+ #1245 SMP Fri Jul 12 17:25:51 BST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux
Not sure if that is related/helpful...
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 08:49 pm
Oh, that's kind of a bummer. Maybe Open File Descripton Locks are supported in your Linux distro/version?
Unsure....
This is on a Pi, running rasbian (based on stretch).
Linux p-1-1 4.19.58-v7+ #1245 SMP Fri Jul 12 17:25:51 BST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux
I know I've had inode related issues in the past, when I was playing with gluster - because it was a 32 bit environment, so I needed to mount gluster with enable-ino32=1 otherwise there were fstat issues...
Not knowing anything about OFD - I google found this statement:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9289177/
"The Linux kernel expects a flock64 structure whenever you use OFD locks with fcntl64."
Not sure if that is related/helpful...
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:10 pm
Not sure if that is related/helpful...
I found this too:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9287471/
It does seem like a 32 bit issue? (Unless I've barked up the wrong tree...)
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:21 pm
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:10 pm
Not sure if that is related/helpful...
I found this too:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9287471/
It does seem like a 32 bit issue? (Unless I've barked up the wrong tree...)
No, I think you've likely hit right on it.
That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue, then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee
older filewrap.c revision.
I was not able to reproduce this on my own rPi:
Linux raspberrypi 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP Fri Sep 21 15:38:35 BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
... I double-checked and I don't seem to have any of the fixes/patches installed either.
I have another pi that is 4.19.42, which I could try...
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 10:59 pm
That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue, then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee
older filewrap.c revision.
No - that's getting to rebuild the kernel or glibc - right? (Havent looked, but guessing).
I'm pretty much sticking to stock rasbian...
Without does this, will this mean that a Pi is no longer a viable destination for SBBS? (Or sticking with 3.17c as released..?)
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 11:19 pm
I was not able to reproduce this on my own rPi:
Well, I was actually hoping you would say that.
Linux raspberrypi 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP Fri Sep 21 15:38:35 BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
... I double-checked and I don't seem to have any of the fixes/patches installed either.
So, that gets into whats different between your and my Pi.
1) The kernel - mine is 4.19.58-v7+ almost a year newer than yours, so an option for me would be to go back in time. But realistically perhaps you should try forward in time (since others would likely hit this problem and likely be newer in time).
As I say, I'm using stock defaults (other than SBBS) - so anything an apt-get gives me.
I have another pi that is 4.19.42, which I could try...
2) I'm guessing because i have a newer kernel, I'll have newer glibc libraries..
ii libc-bin 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
GNU C Library: Binaries
ii libc-dev-bin 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
GNU C Library: Development binaries
ii libc-l10n 2.24-11+deb9u4 all
GNU C Library: localization files
ii libc6:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii libc6-dbg:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
GNU C Library: detached debugging symbols
ii libc6-dev:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files
3) I'm running my install in docker - but I dont think that is an issue here - as somebody in FSXnet had the same issue (and I am confident that they are not using docker).
Where do you want to go with this?
IE: If my container works on your environment, then it is kernel/glibc related.
No, it just means patching that one header file and rebuilding sbbs.That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue,No - that's getting to rebuild the kernel or glibc - right? (Havent looked, but guessing).
then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee
older filewrap.c revision.
If you suggestion was to patch that fcnt-linux.h header file (so I could compile SBBS with the latest version of filewrap.c), from what I can see, its
part of the kernel. SBBS doesnt use that header file when it compiles (ie: it doesnt exist on my build environment, when I build SBBS).
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Digital Man to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 12:54 am
No, it just means patching that one header file and rebuilding sbbs.That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue, DM>> then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee DM>> older filewrap.c revision.No - that's getting to rebuild the kernel or glibc - right? (Havent looked, but guessing).
I'm a little confused.
Using the older filewrap.c, SBBS starts and works ok.
Using the new filewrap.c, SBBS doesnt start and complains of locking.
If you suggestion was to patch that fcnt-linux.h header file (so I could compile SBBS with the latest version of filewrap.c), from what I can see, its part of the kernel. SBBS doesnt use that header file when it compiles (ie: it doesnt exist on my build environment, when I build SBBS).
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 08:06 pm
If you suggestion was to patch that fcnt-linux.h header file (so I could compile SBBS with the latest version of filewrap.c), from what I can see, its
part of the kernel. SBBS doesnt use that header file when it compiles (ie: it doesnt exist on my build environment, when I build SBBS).
Dang, I was looking at the wrong file. fcntl.h is part of the kernel, fcntl-linux.h is part of glibc.
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Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 11:05 pm
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:21 pm
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:10 pm
Not sure if that is related/helpful...
I found this too:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9287471/
It does seem like a 32 bit issue? (Unless I've barked up the wrong tree...)
No, I think you've likely hit right on it.
I was not able to reproduce this on my own rPi:
Linux raspberrypi 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP Fri Sep 21 15:38:35 BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
... I double-checked and I don't seem to have any of the fixes/patches installed either.
digital man
No, it's part of the C run-time library (CRTL) and SBBS *does* use that header file because it #includes fcntl.h (in src/xpdev/filewrap.*).
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Digital Man to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:33 am
No, it's part of the C run-time library (CRTL) and SBBS *does* use that header file because it #includes fcntl.h (in src/xpdev/filewrap.*).
My bad. I was doing find's to see if it was inside my build container, and I do see fcntl.h now (I didnt before). Since I didnt see it before I was googling to see what/where those files were...
I'll figure out which one to patch (I see a few) and try a new rebuild...
What's the difference between a pi and an iPad?
$ The Millionaire $
I believe you were not able to reproduce the issue because he is using the July 2019 version (Buster) and you are using Sep 2018 version (Stretch) ... there were updates released in July 2019 to accommodate
the rPi 4 that maybe relevant
I think the only file that needs the patch is fcntl-linux.h.
Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I don't understand that one very well.
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm
Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.
A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for running a server/BBS.
digital man
Synchronet "Real Fact" #44:
Synchronet added JavaScript suppport with v3.10a (2001).
Norco, CA WX: 83.5øF, 50.0% humidity, 11 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches
rain/24hrs
parallels access allows you to run windows on it.
Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I don’t understand
that one very well.
On 08-27-19 18:47, Digital Man wrote to The Millionaire <=-
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm
Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I don't understand that one very well.
Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.
For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ),
On 08-28-19 02:35, Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 06:34 pm
For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ),
Yup, that's right.
Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I don't understand that one very well.
parallels access allows you to run windows on it.
For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ), but getting it to run on an Android or iOS tablet would require a ground up port to those platforms in a different development environment.
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 06:34 pm
Are you sure about that? Android's base OS is Linux, so if you can get SSH access to your phone (might require rooting), I have a feeling you might be able to get Synchronet to build and run on Android similarly to Linux. And I thought iOS was based on Darwin (a *nix-like OS), similar to Mac OS X. I used to have an iPod Touch that I jailbroke, and I was able to enable SSH command-line access to it. I think progress has been made on getting Synchronet to build & run on OS X, so I'm wondering if it could run similarly on iOS (might require jailbreaking though).
Nightfox
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I hear jail breaking is risky though.
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm
Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.
A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for running a server/BBS.
digital man
Synchronet "Real Fact" #44:
Synchronet added JavaScript suppport with v3.10a (2001).
Norco, CA WX: 83.5øF, 50.0% humidity, 11 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches
rain/24hrs
Will I have probs with the Microsoft Surface Pro too as well with running a bbs?
I hear jail breaking is risky though.
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:45 am
Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?
There are some risks to jailbreaking, but when I had an iPod Touch (about 11 years ago now), the jailbreaking process wasn't too bad. But perhaps Apple has put in more security to try to prevent jailbreaking since then.. I don't know how easy it is to jailbreak iOS devices these days.
Nightfox
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Will I have probs with the Microsoft Surface Pro too as well with
running a
bbs?
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm
Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.
A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for running a server/BBS.
Will I have probs with the Microsoft Surface Pro too as well with running
a bbs?
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:47 am
I don't think it would be a problem (on a MSP) since its actually more of general purpose computer than a tablet.
Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that purpose if you're adding those characters yourself.
digital man
This Is Spinal Tap quote #28:
We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.
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Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:47 am
I don't think it would be a problem (on a MSP) since its actually more of general purpose computer than a tablet.
Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that purpose if you're adding those characters yourself.
I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is that better now?
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 12:49 pm
Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?
digital man
Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #7:
BinkP = BinkD Protocol
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Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 12:49 pm
Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?
digital man
Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #7:
BinkP = BinkD Protocol
Norco, CA WX: 85.5F, 53.0% humidity, 5 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
Yes I did get it, happy now?
Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we
determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that purpose
if you're adding those characters yourself.
I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is that better now?
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 12:49 pm
What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you using)?
Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted text.
Nightfox
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Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 01:56 pm
what was adding it
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What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you
using)? Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front
of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted
text.
Ecweb4 is creating them not me.
What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you
using)? Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front
of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted
text.
Ecweb4 is creating them not me.
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 03:55 pm
echicken - Have you seen this? The Millionaire says ecwebv4 is prepending text entered in messages with " > ".
Nightfox
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What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you using)? Yo message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front of text that you'r writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted text.
I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is that
What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you using)? Your message editor
Ecweb4 is creating them not me.
Ecweb4 is creating them not me.
I think that's a bug in ecweb that should be reported to echicken.
He knows there's lots to fix and will soon sometime.
Re: ecwebv4 prepending text with > ?
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 17:18:49
No I don't. What else is among the "lots" that needs to be fixed?
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On 08-28-19 09:40, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 06:34 pm
For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ), but getting it to run on an Android or iOS tablet would require a ground up port to those platforms in a different development environment.
Are you sure about that? Android's base OS is Linux, so if you can get SSH access to your phone (might require rooting), I have a feeling you might be able to get Synchronet to build and run on Android similarly
to Linux. And I thought iOS was based on Darwin (a *nix-like OS),
similar to Mac OS X. I used to have an iPod Touch that I jailbroke,
and I was able to enable SSH command-line access to it. I think
progress has been made on getting Synchronet to build & run on OS X, so I'm wondering if it could run similarly on iOS (might require
jailbreaking though).
On 08-28-19 10:53, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:45 am
I hear jail breaking is risky though.
Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?
There are some risks to jailbreaking, but when I had an iPod Touch
(about 11 years ago now), the jailbreaking process wasn't too bad. But perhaps Apple has put in more security to try to prevent jailbreaking since then.. I don't know how easy it is to jailbreak iOS devices
these days.
On 08-28-19 11:24, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:47 am
Will I have probs with the Microsoft Surface Pro too as well with
running a
bbs?
One issue I can think of is that a Surface Pro will probably come pre-installed with the 64-bit edition of Windows. If you want to be
able to run DOS doors, you'd need a 32-bit edition of Windows. So you might have to set up a VM on it to run a 32-bit edition of Windows if
you want to run DOS doors.
Also, DM's comment about tablets lighting up a bright screen reminded
me that if you want to run it all the time for your BBS, you'll have to deal with having an integrated screen. So you'd probably want to set
up Windows on it to power off the screen after an amount of inactivity
(I think Windows is set up like that by default, to shut the screen off after 10 minutes). That way, it won't light up the room all the time (particularly at night when you want to sleep). I've seen some issues with that though - On my desktop PC at home, I have it set to shut off
the screen after 10 minutes, but for some reason it doesn't always do that.
It might be better to have a computer with a separate monitor to run a
BBS on, so you can shut the monitor off when you don't need it so that
it doesn't light up the room all the time.
On 08-28-19 12:40, Digital Man wrote to The Millionaire <=-
I don't think it would be a problem (on a MSP) since its actually more
of general purpose computer than a tablet.
I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is
that better now?
No I don't. What else is among the "lots" that needs to be fixed?
Take it easy man. Don't have a heart attack over it ok?
The apostrophe has to
be fixed amongst some other chars as well.
The apostrophe has to
be fixed amongst some other chars as well.
I think DM made a change recently re: saving messages with UTF-8 body text. Perhaps this is related and has already been fixed? Otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about. What's wrong with the apostrophe? What are "some other chars"? What's the problem? Describe the issue or it won't get fixed.
The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-
Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?
Yes I did get it, happy now?
To: The Millionaire
The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-
Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?
Yes I did get it, happy now?
Wow. I really don't think you do "get it".
Here's another free etiquette tip - you're supposed to trim out
(delete) other useless/extraneous lines, like origin lines and
tear lines, and other signature-type stuff. You do that *before*
you start writing your reply. Please. OK?
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Are you the net police?
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Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets?
I don’t understand that one very well.
A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a
bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it
goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for
running a server/BBS.
parallels access allows you to run windows on it.
I hear jail breaking is risky though.
Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?
Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we
determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that
purpose if you're adding those characters yourself.
I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me.
Is that better now?
What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you
using)? Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front
of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted
text.
Ecweb4 is creating them not me.
On 2019 Aug 28 15:55:26, you wrote to Nightfox:
what editor are you configured to use via the web interface... that would be the tool that is leaving a quoted blank line that you're typing on...
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them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. ... Chicago Cubs - World Champions 1908...when Baseball was Baseball!
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mark lewis wrote to The Millionaire <=-
i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a
tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather
yuck IMHO and IMPO...
mark lewis wrote to Nightfox <=-
I hear jail breaking is risky though.
Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?
he's probably not... more likely there's a blank quoted line and
he's not paying attention that he's putting his cursor there and considering what will happen when he types his reply...
What??? "The Millionaire" not paying attention or not
considering.... Who'd a thunk it?
He used to be one of the best Sysops around, ya know.
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For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a
fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ), but getting it to run on an
Android or iOS tablet would require a ground up port to those
platforms in a different development environment.
Are you sure about that? Android's base OS is Linux, so if you canI don't count rooting and jailbreaking as part of an "easy" porting solution. They are not part of a standard, off the shelf mobile system, and in the case of jailbreaking, it's a PITA to maintain, because it has to be re-done every time the OS is updated.
get SSH access to your phone (might require rooting), I have a
I tried jailbreaking for a while, but found it a pain to keep up with, because each time there was an iOS update, you had to wait until a new jailbreak was released for the updated version, before you could update (and then jailbreak again).
Setting up the screen power down delay can mitigate most of those issues, though a separate monitor does offer more flexibility. Either works fine.
Here's another free etiquette tip - you're supposed to trim out
(delete) other useless/extraneous lines, like origin lines and
tear lines, and other signature-type stuff. You do that *before*
you start writing your reply. Please. OK?
Are you the net police?
i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather yuck IMHO and IMPO...
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Dan Clough to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 09:48 pm
I have a feeling The Millionaire might be using editors that are set up to automatically quote the whole message, rather than an editor that lets you choose specifically which lines to quote.
Nightfox
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Ecweb4 is creating them not me.
what editor are you configured to use via the web interface... that would be the tool that is leaving a quoted blank line that you're typing on...
I click on this square icon for reply a little box opens up and I start typing a message. I don't use an editor of any type.
He used to be one of the best Sysops around, ya know.
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Dan Clough to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:59 am
But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's gift to BBSing, after all. :P
Nightfox
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Wow! I thought DM would be on that list Nightfox. Looks not it seems. MRO is the best sysop in the whole world? Wow, the glass is sure half empty here from what I can see. All my users that were on my BBS before all had a great experience and said they wished dialup didn’t come to a crashing halt.
$ The Millionaire $
But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's
gift to BBSing, after all. :P
Wow! I thought DM would be on that list Nightfox. Looks not it seems. MRO is the best sysop in the whole world? Wow, the glass is sure half empty here from what I can see. All my users that were on my BBS before all had a great experience and said they wished dialup didn't come to a crashing halt.
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:29 am
That was a joke. One time MRO referred to himself (or perhaps someone else jokingly referred to him) as "God's gift to BBSing". I don't think you were using Dove-Net at the time to see that.
On a serious side, Digital Man has indeed done a lot for BBSing. I think Synchronet is a great BBS package, and I appreciate all that it has to offer.
Nightfox
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Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:56 am
i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather yuck IMHO and IMPO...
I don't see the big deal. If someone has a spare tablet they don't use anymore and want to make use of it, why not? Or maybe someone wants to run their BBS on an ultra-portable system for some reason.
Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Nightfox to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:49 am
It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
2. WiFi Internet connection only
3. Battery-life
It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a particularly feasible one.
digital man
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To: Anonymous Remailer (austr
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Anonymous Remailer (austria) to alt.bbs.synchronet on Thu Aug 29 2019 07:27 am
Are you the net police?
Who are you?
I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple hours or so and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if it's something with Windows or an app I running..
But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's gift t BBSing, after all. :P
MRO is
the best sysop in the whole world?
Wow, the glass is sure half empty here fr
what I can see. All my users that were on my BBS before all had a great
IMOO I think Digital Man is the best sysop not MRO.
But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's
gift to BBSing, after all. :P
That was a joke. One time MRO referred to himself (or perhaps someone else jokingly referred to him) as "God's gift to BBSing". I don't think you were using Dove-Net at the time to see that.
Well I have contributed to Synchronet as well as other BBSes in ways that I could. I did throw in some ideas as well for Synchronet to help shape what i has become today.
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:35 am
Digital Man is currently the best bbs software developer, not the best sysop. ---
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Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:35 am
you certainly have given us many headaches.
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Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Nightfox to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:49 am
It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
2. WiFi Internet connection only
3. Battery-life
It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a particularly feasible one.
So you're saying now that using a Microsoft Surface Pro for a BBS would not be worth it as well?
I don't see the big deal. If someone has a spare tablet they don't
use anymore and want to make use of it, why not? Or maybe someone
wants to run their BBS on an ultra-portable system for some reason.
It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
2. WiFi Internet connection only
3. Battery-life
It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a particularly feasible one.
Another idea is to install it on the Ring doorbell so I can have
videos of all incoming connections.
I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple hours or so and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if it's something with Windows or an app I'm running..
so what... a ford pinto can tow a boat but i wouldn't try to tow one for
a long period of time... simply put, a tablet is just not the proper
tool for the job.. . are you going to leave it plugged into power and running all the time??
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:35 am
Digital Man is currently the best bbs software developer, not the best sys ---
Synchronet ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
Well I think Digital Man is the best sysop I've come across.
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:35 am
you certainly have given us many headaches.And so have you. I'm on lots of Tylenol and have health problems because of you.
To: Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Spammer. Nuke him.
From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
In article <5D684A2A.6809.sync@vert.synchro.net>
"The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-skk-this> wrote:
Yawn.
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On 08-29-19 09:30, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
You said it would be a "ground up port". I was just saying I don't
think it would have to be done from the ground up. And if all you want
to do is run a BBS, you'd probably just have to jailbreak the device
once and set up the BBS on it.
On 08-29-19 09:31, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Yeah, I went through that when I had an iPod Touch. I suppose I didn't mind it so much though. I liked having an alternative source of apps
to install on my device, and they had some apps that I thought were actually fairly good.
On 08-29-19 09:32, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:32 am
Setting up the screen power down delay can mitigate most of those issues, though a separate monitor does offer more flexibility. Either works fine.
I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple hours or so
and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if it's something
with Windows or an app I'm running..
i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather yuck IMHO and IMPO...
On 08-29-19 09:44, Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I have a feeling The Millionaire might be using editors that are set up
to automatically quote the whole message, rather than an editor that
lets you choose specifically which lines to quote.
I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the
screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that
doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple
hours or so and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if
it's something with Windows or an app I'm running..
When I run netRunner or Syncterm and leave it running, the screen won't blank.
Yawn.
I know who you are dude. I caught you in the act. Game over.
To: Anonymous
From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
In article <5D684A2A.6809.sync@vert.synchro.net>
"The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-skk-this> wrote:
Yawn.
--- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110
I know who you are dude. I caught you in the act. Game over.
From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
In article <5D686412.6844.sync@vert.synchro.net>
"The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-8xd-this> wrote:
Hardly.
--- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110
To: Nomen Nescio
From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
In article <5D686412.6844.sync@vert.synchro.net>
"The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-8xd-this> wrote:
Hardly.
--- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110
When I post your private information then it will be hardly. Give it up. I have
friends that are hackers and could shut you down in 5 mins.
From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
In article <5D686F37.6862.sync@vert.synchro.net>
"The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-z1z-this> wrote:
Go for it, and make a fool of yourself.
--- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110
From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
In article <5D684A2A.6809.sync@vert.synchro.net>
"The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-skk-this> wrote
Yawn.
--- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110
I know who you are dude. I caught you in the act. Game over.
Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
By: The Millionaire to Anonymous on Thu Aug 29 2019 04:47 pm
backtrace him
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You said it would be a "ground up port". I was just saying I don't
think it would have to be done from the ground up. And if all you
want to do is run a BBS, you'd probably just have to jailbreak the
device once and set up the BBS on it.
No, you don't jailbreak a device once, you jailbreak it EVERYTIME the OS is upgraded.
To: Nomen Nescio
From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
In article <5D686F37.6862.sync@vert.synchro.net>
"The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-z1z-this> wrote:
Go for it, and make a fool of yourself.
--- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110
Ok I will then.
The sad thing is MRO is they're using Synchronet BBS updated to the latest software running on a windows 32 bit system for cyberstalking people. I wond how DM feels about that one.
The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-particularly
It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
2. WiFi Internet connection only
3. Battery-life
It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a
feasible one.
So you're saying now that using a Microsoft Surface Pro for a BBS
would not be worth it as well?
I wanted to use Raspberry Pi but afraid I was going to get hungry and eat it
what editor are you configured to use via the web interface... that would
be the tool that is leaving a quoted blank line that you're typing on...
I click on this square icon for reply a little box opens up and I start typing a message. I don’t use an editor of any type.
Here's another free etiquette tip - you're supposed to trim out
(delete) other useless/extraneous lines, like origin lines and tear
lines, and other signature-type stuff. You do that *before* you start
writing your reply. Please. OK?
I have a feeling The Millionaire might be using editors that are set
up to automatically quote the whole message, rather than an editor
that lets you choose specifically which lines to quote.
But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's gift
to BBSing, after all. :P
Wow! I thought DM would be on that list Nightfox. Looks not it seems. MRO is the best sysop in the whole world?
The sad thing is MRO is they’re using Synchronet BBS updated to the latest software running on a windows 32 bit system for cyberstalking people.
On 08-29-19 19:59, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Yes, I understand that. I was saying, though, that if you're just
going to run a BBS on it, you may just need to jailbreak it once, and
you might not need to upgrade it later.
so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor you wanted to use??? interesting...
so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor
you wanted to use??? interesting...
I think he's saying he's using a web interface, which does not provide
an option of the editor.
On 2019 Aug 30 03:41:20, you wrote to me:
so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor
you wanted to use??? interesting...
I think he's saying he's using a web interface, which does not provide an option of the editor.
ahhh... for some reason, i was thinking that the web interfaces used the same editors as the terminals... just piped through the web code/proxy stuff...
ahhh... for some reason, i was thinking that the web interfaces used the same
editors as the terminals... just piped through the web code/proxy stuff...
You _could_ run a BBS on a phone, in theory, but you would need some form of VPN to get a stable, public IP address to the phone. As a technical exercise, sure it can be done, but Why bother? A Pi is a much easier way to run a low powered BBS.
I click on this square icon for reply a little box opens up and I
start typing a message. I don't use an editor of any type.
so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor you wanted to use??? interesting...
So you're saying now that using a Microsoft Surface Pro for a BBS would not be worth it as well?
i used to use edlin(!!) to write my messages with... yes, it could be painful but it was a very easy line editor to use back in the day :)
ahhh... for some reason, i was thinking that the web interfaces used
the same editors as the terminals... just piped through the web
code/proxy stuff...
That's true if you use fTelnet, but not so if you use the actual dynamic-HTML that provide browser-access to the message areas (aka "forums").
i used to use edlin(!!) to write my messages with... yes, it could be
painful but it was a very easy line editor to use back in the day :)
EDLIN was always there, and it was great at walking people through
config file edits on the phone. I worked for a retailer that used DOS point-of-sale terminals, and on more than one occasion had to walk a
store manager with no computer skills into editing a typo out of a
batch file.
That's true if you use fTelnet, but not so if you use the actual
dynamic-HTML that provide browser-access to the message areas (aka
"forums").
ahhhh... i'm (still) using the runescape interface... i know that ftelnet does this but it has been a while since i wrote a reply via my web interface... i have written numerous ones in the past and thought fseditor was still my editor at that point... quite possibly a faulty neuron firing, though...
On 08-30-19 09:39, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I don't think it would be good to run a BBS on an active phone that
you're carrying around with you.. Cell phone signal strength varies depending on where you are, and in some cases you might not even have a signal. That would be annoying for users.. If you're going to run a
BBS on a phone, I think you might as well use an old phone that's not activated anymore and leave it at home on your wifi. You could then
set up your router's DHCP to always assign it the same IP address
(based on its MAC address).
On 08-30-19 12:16, echicken wrote to mark lewis <=-
There are some things I would like to do to enhance it in the next
version of the Forum. Small improvements to the quoting, maybe a fixed-width font and an 80-column ruler (no hard wrapping or anything, just a visual guide).
I may also add a toggle for message viewing and composing to present a more BBS-like (black background, monospaced, colorized) display. While
I think it's horribly cheesy to replicate the BBS look and feel on a website (just SSH in if that's what you want) there are some cases
where messages should be viewed as intended.
Yeah, I tend to agree for the most part. It was more a case of "yeah maybe it can be done, but why bother?" (other than for the technical exercise). As for leaving a phone at home, well, I'd still go for a Pi, in that instance, so still a bit of "why bother?". :)
There are some things I would like to do to enhance it in the next
version of the Forum. Small improvements to the quoting, maybe a
fixed-width font and an 80-column ruler (no hard wrapping or
anything, just a visual guide).
Fixed width in editing could be useful, since that's how most users are going to see the messages.
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