• u/l files

    From The Millionaire@VERT to digital man on Saturday, August 17, 2019 19:36:51
    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Saturday, August 17, 2019 21:54:47
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #38:
    Artie Fufkin: I'm not asking, I'm telling with this. Kick my ass.
    Norco, CA WX: 64.5øF, 84.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 18, 2019 05:20:49
    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 17 2019 09:54 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #38:
    Artie Fufkin: I'm not asking, I'm telling with this. Kick my ass.
    Norco, CA WX: 64.5øF, 84.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl for some reason. i dont understand.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 18, 2019 05:40:52
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:20 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 17 2019 09:54 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #38:
    Artie Fufkin: I'm not asking, I'm telling with this. Kick my ass.
    Norco, CA WX: 64.5øF, 84.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl for some
    reason. i dont understand.

    $ The Millionaire $

    i used zmodem(sz) zmodem(sexyz) didnt work and got following error:

    g expected got 42 (state=0)
    file not received!

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:58:28
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:20 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 17 2019 09:54 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl for some reason. i dont understand.

    Try different client software. Users and sysops transfer files every day using ZMODEM and FTP on Vertrauen and Synchronet systems everywhere.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #25:
    Viv Savage: Have... a good... time... all the time. That's my philosophy. Norco, CA WX: 74.9øF, 66.0% humidity, 3 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:59:00
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:40 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:20 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 17 2019 09:54 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #38:
    Artie Fufkin: I'm not asking, I'm telling with this. Kick my ass. Norco, CA WX: 64.5øF, 84.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl for some reason. i dont understand.

    $ The Millionaire $

    i used zmodem(sz) zmodem(sexyz) didnt work and got following error:

    g expected got 42 (state=0)
    file not received!

    Try using a different terminal program (client program).

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #16:
    David St. Hubbins: I believe virtually everything I read...
    Norco, CA WX: 74.9øF, 66.0% humidity, 3 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 18, 2019 12:31:57
    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 11:58 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:20 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 17 2019 09:54 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl for some
    reason. i dont understand.

    Try different client software. Users and sysops transfer files every day using ZMODEM and FTP on Vertrauen and Synchronet systems
    everywhere.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #25:
    Viv Savage: Have... a good... time... all the time. That's my philosophy. Norco, CA WX: 74.9øF, 66.0% humidity, 3 mph ENE wind, 0.00
    inches
    rain/24hrs

    ya but from an ipad? its quite a different story here.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 18, 2019 12:33:15
    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 11:59 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:40 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:20 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 17 2019 09:54 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #38:
    Artie Fufkin: I'm not asking, I'm telling with this. Kick my ass. Norco, CA WX: 64.5øF, 84.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00
    inches
    rain/24hrs

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl for some
    reason. i dont understand.

    $ The Millionaire $

    i used zmodem(sz) zmodem(sexyz) didnt work and got following error:

    g expected got 42 (state=0)
    file not received!

    Try using a different terminal program (client program).

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #16:
    David St. Hubbins: I believe virtually everything I read...
    Norco, CA WX: 74.9øF, 66.0% humidity, 3 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

    i got that error from your ftelnet on your webpage.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 15:47:05
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 12:33:15

    i got that error from your ftelnet on your webpage.

    I believe that your only option when using fTelnet is YModemG.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Sunday, August 18, 2019 13:02:28
    Re: u/l files
    By: echicken to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 03:47 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 12:33:15

    i got that error from your ftelnet on your webpage.

    I believe that your only option when using fTelnet is YModemG.

    tried the sz and sexyz version both didnt work.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 14:47:38
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 12:31 pm

    ya but from an ipad? its quite a different story here.

    $ The Millionaire $


    i have problems using my ac remote to telnet. how do i download, DM
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 13:27:21
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 12:33 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 11:59 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:40 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:20 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 17 2019 09:54 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #38:
    Artie Fufkin: I'm not asking, I'm telling with this. Kick my ass. Norco, CA WX: 64.5øF, 84.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl for some reason. i dont understand.

    $ The Millionaire $

    i used zmodem(sz) zmodem(sexyz) didnt work and got following error:

    g expected got 42 (state=0)
    file not received!

    Try using a different terminal program (client program).

    i got that error from your ftelnet on your webpage.

    fTelnet doesn't support ZMODEM. I think it only supports YMODEM-G.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #50:
    NUL = ASCII 0
    Norco, CA WX: 82.2øF, 50.0% humidity, 5 mph N wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 16:27:26
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Sun Aug 18 2019 13:02:28

    tried the sz and sexyz version both didnt work.

    The SEXYZ version worked for me, but the SZ one did not. Tested on web.synchro.net with ftelnet.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sunday, August 18, 2019 14:06:07
    Re: u/l files
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 02:47 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 12:31 pm

    ya but from an ipad? its quite a different story here.

    $ The Millionaire $


    i have problems using my ac remote to telnet. how do i download, DM

    ur sew phuny dood.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 18, 2019 14:06:55
    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 01:27 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 12:33 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 11:59 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:40 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:20 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 17 2019 09:54 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:36 pm

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?

    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #38:
    Artie Fufkin: I'm not asking, I'm telling with this. Kick my ass. Norco, CA WX: 64.5øF, 84.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind,
    0.00
    inches rain/24hrs

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl
    for
    some reason. i dont understand.

    $ The Millionaire $

    i used zmodem(sz) zmodem(sexyz) didnt work and got following error:

    g expected got 42 (state=0)
    file not received!

    Try using a different terminal program (client program).

    i got that error from your ftelnet on your webpage.

    fTelnet doesn't support ZMODEM. I think it only supports YMODEM-G.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #50:
    NUL = ASCII 0
    Norco, CA WX: 82.2øF, 50.0% humidity, 5 mph N wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

    i tried ymodemg didn't work

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Sunday, August 18, 2019 14:07:29
    Re: u/l files
    By: echicken to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 04:27 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Sun Aug 18 2019 13:02:28

    tried the sz and sexyz version both didnt work.

    The SEXYZ version worked for me, but the SZ one did not. Tested on web.synchro.net with ftelnet.

    using an ipad?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 17:54:26
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Sun Aug 18 2019 14:07:29

    The SEXYZ version worked for me, but the SZ one did not. Tested on web.synchro.net with
    ftelnet.

    using an ipad?

    No.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 17:46:39
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 02:06 pm

    fTelnet doesn't support ZMODEM. I think it only supports YMODEM-G.

    i tried ymodemg didn't work

    I seem to remember using ymodem-g with fTelnet before, and I remember seeing it working. Perhaps the client you're using doesn't implement ymodem-g very well.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 18, 2019 19:22:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?
    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of
    something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl
    for some reason. i dont understand.

    It's because you're using a piece-of-crap iPad.

    Seriously, that's why.


    ... The Word-of-the-Day is "Legs". Spread the word.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 18, 2019 22:59:40
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:46 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 02:06 pm

    fTelnet doesn't support ZMODEM. I think it only supports YMODEM-G.

    i tried ymodemg didn't work

    I seem to remember using ymodem-g with fTelnet before, and I remember seeing working. Perhaps the client you're using doesn't implement ymodem-g very we



    this is all running around in circles. he had problems 2 months or so ago and we all check it and i even downloaded with ymodem-g from ftelnet
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 18:14:00
    On 08-18-19 12:31, The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    ya but from an ipad? its quite a different story here.

    It has been mentioned before, but BBSing is not well supported on tablets, and iOS is the worst platform of the lot. Android at least has a couple of point systems, and you can also run DOS setups under Magic DOSBox. But iOS you're limited to native telnet/SSH terminals that aren't designed for BBSing.


    ... Dyslexic State Trooper spends all night handing out IUD's.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 19, 2019 09:36:08
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:46 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 02:06 pm

    fTelnet doesn't support ZMODEM. I think it only supports YMODEM-G.

    i tried ymodemg didn't work

    I seem to remember using ymodem-g with fTelnet before, and I remember seeing it working. Perhaps the client you're using doesn't
    implement
    ymodem-g very well.

    Nightfox

    ipad doesnt seem to implement anything very well.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Monday, August 19, 2019 09:37:12
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 07:22 pm

    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    hey dm. which protocol do i use u/l files with?

    Why is this a question for me?
    Anyway, I recommend ZMODEM. Or FTP.

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of
    something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl
    for some reason. i dont understand.

    It's because you're using a piece-of-crap iPad.

    Seriously, that's why.


    ... The Word-of-the-Day is "Legs". Spread the word.

    oh i totaaly thats why im switching to msp soon.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Monday, August 19, 2019 09:38:38
    Re: u/l files
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Aug 18 2019 10:59 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 18 2019 05:46 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Sun Aug 18 2019 02:06 pm

    fTelnet doesn't support ZMODEM. I think it only supports YMODEM-G.

    i tried ymodemg didn't work

    I seem to remember using ymodem-g with fTelnet before, and I remember seeing working. Perhaps the client you're using doesn't
    implement
    ymodem-g very we



    this is all running around in circles. he had problems 2 months or so ago and we all check it and i even downloaded with ymodem-g from
    ftelnet

    with an ipad?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Tony Langdon on Monday, August 19, 2019 09:43:42
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 06:14 pm

    On 08-18-19 12:31, The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    ya but from an ipad? its quite a different story here.

    It has been mentioned before, but BBSing is not well supported on tablets, and iOS is the worst platform of the lot. Android at least
    has a
    couple of point systems, and you can also run DOS setups under Magic DOSBox. But iOS you're limited to native telnet/SSH terminals that
    aren't designed for BBSing.


    ... Dyslexic State Trooper spends all night handing out IUD's.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51

    somebody finally got it. you tony are a genius.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 13:12:36
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:36:08

    I seem to remember using ymodem-g with fTelnet before, and I remember seeing it
    working. Perhaps the client you're using doesn't implement
    ymodem-g very well.

    ipad doesnt seem to implement anything very well.

    Are you able to try a different web browser on your iPad, or is Safari the only option?

    Ultimately you're using the same fTelnet as anyone else. The only thing that's different is the browser you're running it in. Perhaps that's doing something weird when it comes to websocket.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 09:53:29
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:36 am

    ipad doesnt seem to implement anything very well.

    That's Apple for you.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Monday, August 19, 2019 10:25:58
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 06:14 pm

    It has been mentioned before, but BBSing is not well supported on tablets, and iOS is the worst platform of the lot. Android at least has a couple of point systems, and you can also run DOS setups under Magic DOSBox. But iOS you're limited to native telnet/SSH terminals that aren't designed for BBSing.

    Years ago, when I had an iPod Touch, there used to be an iOS app called iSSH that had good support for BBS ANSI and seemed to work fairly well. I never tried uploading or downloading files with it though. And I've heard that iSSH has since been removed from the Apple App Store. It sounds like there haven't been any other BBS telnet clients for iOS since then.

    Nightfox

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 14:04:00
    ipad doesnt seem to implement anything very well.

    It implements lots well, just not a telnet client.

    |15frank |08// |15netsurge
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Monday, August 19, 2019 12:16:39
    Re: u/l files
    By: echicken to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 01:12 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:36:08

    I seem to remember using ymodem-g with fTelnet before, and I remember seeing it
    working. Perhaps the client you're using doesn't implement
    ymodem-g very well.

    ipad doesnt seem to implement anything very well.

    Are you able to try a different web browser on your iPad, or is Safari the only option?

    Ultimately you're using the same fTelnet as anyone else. The only thing that's different is the browser you're running it in. Perhaps
    that's doing something weird when it comes to websocket.

    maybe i should try to use firefox or chrome?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 19, 2019 12:18:55
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:53 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:36 am

    ipad doesnt seem to implement anything very well.

    That's Apple for you.

    Nightfox

    not so true though. the imac with vmware worked well with synchronet and win xp back then. its the tablet thats being the witch about it

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 15:47:02
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:18:55

    not so true though. the imac with vmware worked well with synchronet and win xp back
    then. its the tablet thats being the witch about it

    "The iMac was great when I used to to run VMWare to run a totally different OS so that I could run a BBS on it!"

    Yeah, super. :)

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 15:47:24
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:16:39

    Are you able to try a different web browser on your iPad, or is Safari the only
    option?

    maybe i should try to use firefox or chrome?

    Yes, that's what I was getting at.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 12:50:55
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:18 pm

    That's Apple for you.

    not so true though. the imac with vmware worked well with synchronet and win xp back then. its the tablet thats being the witch about it

    Yeah, I know Apple has some good products. They just seem to do things a bit differently though.. Another thing they do a bit differently is they make keyboards with only a 'delete' key and no backspace key (which was in another thread on Dove-Net recently).

    Years ago, I briefly had a Mac Mini and was running my BBS in a VM with Windows 2000 on it. Overall I'm just not too keen on Apple though.. These days, they don't make any computers I'd really want to buy.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Netsurge on Monday, August 19, 2019 12:54:10
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 02:04 pm

    ipad doesnt seem to implement anything very well.

    It implements lots well, just not a telnet client.

    That's probably not a fault of the device itself though. It just seems like there's a lack of developers who want to write BBS-compatible telnet clients for iOS.

    Years ago, I used to have an iPod Touch, and there used to be an app in the Apple App Store called iSSH that was compatible with ANSI and made a fairly good BBS client. But I've heard iSSH has since disappeared from the Apple App Store.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 19, 2019 13:42:49
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:50 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:18 pm

    That's Apple for you.

    not so true though. the imac with vmware worked well with synchronet and win xp back then. its the tablet thats being the witch
    about
    it

    Yeah, I know Apple has some good products. They just seem to do things a bit differently though.. Another thing they do a bit
    differently
    is they make keyboards with only a 'delete' key and no backspace key (which was in another thread on Dove-Net recently).

    Years ago, I briefly had a Mac Mini and was running my BBS in a VM with Windows 2000 on it. Overall I'm just not too keen on Apple
    though..
    These days, they don't make any computers I'd really want to buy.

    Nightfox

    apple was good until Steve Jobs died. Tim Cook is definitely not even close to which is why apple is in the rut these days with its rep.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 19, 2019 13:44:12
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Netsurge on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:54 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 02:04 pm

    ipad doesnt seem to implement anything very well.

    It implements lots well, just not a telnet client.

    That's probably not a fault of the device itself though. It just seems like there's a lack of developers who want to write
    BBS-compatible
    telnet clients for iOS.

    Years ago, I used to have an iPod Touch, and there used to be an app in the Apple App Store called iSSH that was compatible with ANSI and
    made a fairly good BBS client. But I've heard iSSH has since disappeared from the Apple App Store.

    Nightfox

    they issh2 but its a pay one only.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 16:30:22
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 01:42 pm

    apple was good until Steve Jobs died. Tim Cook is definitely not even close to which is why apple is in the rut these days with its rep.

    That seems to be true.

    When Steve Jobs was absent from Apple the first time (from the late 80s to late 90s), I remember Apple almost disappearing in the late 90s. When Steve Jobs went back to Apple, it seems Apple picked up again big time when they introduced things like the iMac, iPod, and later the iPhone and iPad, etc..

    I wouldn't imagine a company's success would be so tied to just one person. I would think they would have hired more people at Apple who are creative enough to have good ideas to keep the company going.

    I think Apple has had a relatively recent tendency to be successful introducing products nobody thought they wanted or needed though. Before Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch came out, I never thought about having something like that. And still for a while, I didn't think a smartphone would be really useful for me, but now I've had a smartphone for years (though I've always used Android smartphones). And their iPad is the first tablet of its kind that I remember. I think tablets are useful, though I don't have one. I had an Android tablet at one point, and later a Microsoft Surface Pro, but I ended up selling those.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 19, 2019 17:28:56
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 04:30 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 01:42 pm

    apple was good until Steve Jobs died. Tim Cook is definitely not even close to which is why apple is in the rut these days with its
    rep.

    That seems to be true.

    When Steve Jobs was absent from Apple the first time (from the late 80s to late 90s), I remember Apple almost disappearing in the late
    90s.
    When Steve Jobs went back to Apple, it seems Apple picked up again big time when they introduced things like the iMac, iPod, and later
    the
    iPhone and iPad, etc..

    I wouldn't imagine a company's success would be so tied to just one person. I would think they would have hired more people at Apple who
    are creative enough to have good ideas to keep the company going.

    I think Apple has had a relatively recent tendency to be successful introducing products nobody thought they wanted or needed though.
    Before Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch came out, I never thought about having something like that. And still for a while, I didn't think a
    smartphone would be really useful for me, but now I've had a smartphone for years (though I've always used Android smartphones). And
    their
    iPad is the first tablet of its kind that I remember. I think tablets are useful, though I don't have one. I had an Android tablet at
    one
    point, and later a Microsoft Surface Pro, but I ended up selling those.

    Nightfox

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to run my sync on. only a couple more months to go for me! im so excited!

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 18:01:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    i tried zmodem and it said cancelled g expected at end of
    something or another. i tried ftp wont work for me to ul only dl
    for some reason. i dont understand.

    It's because you're using a piece-of-crap iPad.
    Seriously, that's why.

    oh i totaaly thats why im switching to msp soon.

    We are all eagerly awaiting that day's arrival.

    I think.


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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 19, 2019 21:57:22
    Years ago, I used to have an iPod Touch, and there used to be an app in the Appl e App Store called iSSH that was compatible with ANSI and made
    a fairly good BBS client. But I've heard iSSH has since disappeared
    from the Apple App Store.

    iPrompt is the successor and does a decent job of ansi telnet emulation. You can't up/download but who would ever want to.

    The main issue is the lack of a keyboard.

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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 22:41:41
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:16 pm

    maybe i should try to use firefox or chrome?

    Those sound like better options than Safari...
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 23:03:06
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:38 am


    this is all running around in circles. he had problems 2 months or so ago and we all check it and i even downloaded with ymodem-g from ftelnet

    with an ipad?


    no we dont have ipads.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Monday, August 19, 2019 21:09:42
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 05:28 pm

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to run my sync on. only a couple more months to go for me! im so excited!

    One thing is, in generally I just don't really use a touch screen. I suppose I'm just not used to it, but I also don't want to get finger smudges on the screen. So I tended to use it like a laptop - But its keyboard doesn't have a stiff connection with the screen, so if you pick it up, the keyboard will flop down unless you hold both the keyboard and the screen. I tended to use it like a laptop, and I preferred to have an actual laptop rather than a tablet that can be used like a laptop. I know the Surface Pro has a stand, but I think laptops are easier to pick up and move when I want to. Also, the Surface Pro has a bit of a small screen for my liking.. Its small size does make it easier to carry, but I like something with a bigger screen.

    There are also laptops with touch screens. Lenovo makes some fairly good ones, IMO. There are some people I work with at work who have a Lenovo laptop with a touch screen, who seem to like them. I also use Lenovo, but min doesn't have a touch screen.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Netsurge on Monday, August 19, 2019 21:11:05
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:57 pm

    Years ago, I used to have an iPod Touch, and there used to be an app
    in the Appl e App Store called iSSH that was compatible with ANSI
    and made a fairly good BBS client. But I've heard iSSH has since
    disappeared from the Apple App Store.

    iPrompt is the successor and does a decent job of ansi telnet emulation. You can't up/download but who would ever want to.

    The Millionaire seems to want to. ;) But I suppose file transferring might be good to have in case you want/need it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 00:25:02
    The Millionaire seems to want to. ;) But I suppose file transferring might be good to have in case you want/need it.

    I don't see why you would need it. It's hard enough managing files on the
    iPad, I can't imagine having to upload or download a zip file that I then couldn't do anything with.

    Maybe he should just use his iPad for what the rest of us use it for, Netflix and Email when on the road.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 19, 2019 21:35:03
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:09 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 05:28 pm

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to run my sync on. only a couple more months to go for me! im so
    excited!

    One thing is, in generally I just don't really use a touch screen. I suppose I'm just not used to it, but I also don't want to get
    finger
    smudges on the screen. So I tended to use it like a laptop - But its keyboard doesn't have a stiff connection with the screen, so if you
    pick it up, the keyboard will flop down unless you hold both the keyboard and the screen. I tended to use it like a laptop, and I
    preferred
    to have an actual laptop rather than a tablet that can be used like a laptop. I know the Surface Pro has a stand, but I think laptops
    are
    easier to pick up and move when I want to. Also, the Surface Pro has a bit of a small screen for my liking.. Its small size does make
    it
    easier to carry, but I like something with a bigger screen.

    There are also laptops with touch screens. Lenovo makes some fairly good ones, IMO. There are some people I work with at work who have
    a
    Lenovo laptop with a touch screen, who seem to like them. I also use Lenovo, but min doesn't have a touch screen.

    Nightfox

    i hear the new lenovo can go up to 17 hrs max but ibm says only 13.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Netsurge on Monday, August 19, 2019 21:37:47
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 12:25 am

    The Millionaire seems to want to. ;) But I suppose file transferring might be good to have in case you want/need it.

    I don't see why you would need it. It's hard enough managing files on the iPad, I can't imagine having to upload or download a zip file that I then couldn't do anything with.

    Maybe he should just use his iPad for what the rest of us use it for, Netflix and Email when on the road.

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    thats what i do do but getting bored of plus apple stock is starting to drop while microsoft is rising.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Netsurge on Monday, August 19, 2019 21:41:58
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Netsurge on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:37 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files

    btw, microsoft closed at $1.07 trillion
    apple closed at $951 billion

    so you can do the math there.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 00:48:40
    thats what i do do but getting bored of plus apple stock is starting to drop whi le microsoft is rising.

    There is a real smart investment, Microsoft. Stick with that.

    How about buying a used $100 laptop and actually using a proper terminal.

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 00:51:26
    btw, microsoft closed at $1.07 trillion
    apple closed at $951 billion

    WTF are you babbling about? Market cap? Who cares.

    Apple closed at $210.35 a share vs M$ at 138.41

    Learn how to read a stock.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Netsurge on Monday, August 19, 2019 21:57:50
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 12:51 am

    btw, microsoft closed at $1.07 trillion
    apple closed at $951 billion

    WTF are you babbling about? Market cap? Who cares.

    Apple closed at $210.35 a share vs M$ at 138.41

    Learn how to read a stock.

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    market cap is important. without it you wouldnt know how much the company is worth.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 01:01:32
    market cap is important. without it you wouldnt know how much the
    company is wor th.

    They are 50 million apart which is peanuts at that level.

    Stick to your knowledge of 1970 mixing equipment please.

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT to DIGITAL MAN on Monday, August 19, 2019 16:47:00
    Rob,

    fTelnet doesn't support ZMODEM. I think it only supports YMODEM-G.

    That's correct. And, you have to be sure your default protocol is such (learned that the hard way). :P

    Daryl

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 07:18:33
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Netsurge on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:54:10

    It just seems like there's a lack of developers who want to write BBS-compatible telnet clients for iOS.

    there's a lack of devs that care to create/maintain BBS apps at all... BBSes are an extremely small niche market these days...


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Netsurge on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 05:37:00
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 01:01 am

    market cap is important. without it you wouldnt know how much the company is wor th.

    They are 50 million apart which is peanuts at that level.

    Stick to your knowledge of 1970 mixing equipment please.

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    24 track recording with the trident series 65 didn't come out till the 80's so i wouldn't even go there with that one.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Rampage on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 05:39:03
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 07:18 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Netsurge on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:54:10

    It just seems like there's a lack of developers who want to write BBS-compatible telnet clients for iOS.

    there's a lack of devs that care to create/maintain BBS apps at all... BBSes are an extremely small niche market these days...


    )\/(ark

    more like underground now like tunnels are.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 09:19:26
    On 2019 Aug 19 17:28:56, you wrote to Nightfox:

    I had an Android tablet at one point, and
    later a Microsoft Surface Pro, but I ended up selling those.

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to run
    my sync on.

    how can you tell without one to actually work with???

    only a couple more months to go for me! im so excited!

    you're not the only one :P :P :P

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set
    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
    ... All of the darkness you thought you left behind comes creeping back in.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to mark lewis on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 06:47:57
    Re: u/l files
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:19 am


    On 2019 Aug 19 17:28:56, you wrote to Nightfox:

    I had an Android tablet at one point, and
    later a Microsoft Surface Pro, but I ended up selling those.

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to run
    my sync on.

    how can you tell without one to actually work with???

    only a couple more months to go for me! im so excited!

    you're not the only one :P :P :P

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set
    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. ... All of the darkness you thought you left behind comes creeping back in.

    i do research dude and it sounds like a winner for me.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:21:44
    On 2019 Aug 20 06:47:56, you wrote to me:

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to run
    my sync on.

    how can you tell without one to actually work with???

    i do research dude and it sounds like a winner for me.

    so what you meant to say is "the msp sounds like its a great device to run my sync on", correct? ;)

    )\/(ark

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    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Netsurge on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 09:13:00
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 12:25 am

    The Millionaire seems to want to. ;) But I suppose file
    transferring might be good to have in case you want/need it.

    I don't see why you would need it. It's hard enough managing files on the iPad, I can't imagine having to upload or download a zip file that I then couldn't do anything with.

    I don't have an iPad, but I have an Android phone, and IMO it's not too difficult to view/manage files on it. At a minimum, if you want to download something, it could be used to download a file while you're out and then plug it into your computer and copy the file to your computer when you get home.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 09:13:34
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:35 pm

    i hear the new lenovo can go up to 17 hrs max but ibm says only 13.

    What does IBM know about Lenovo's machines? Is IBM doing their own testing on them?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 09:14:19
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 07:18 am

    It just seems like there's a lack of developers who want to write
    BBS-compatible telnet clients for iOS.

    there's a lack of devs that care to create/maintain BBS apps at all... BBSes are an extremely small niche market these days...

    Yep, that's true.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Netsurge on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 09:22:23
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 12:25 am

    Maybe he should just use his iPad for what the rest of us use it for, Netflix and Email when on the road.

    IMO he can use his iPad for whatever he wants.. It's not up to us to decide what he uses his own stuff for.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 09:23:27
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Netsurge on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:37 pm

    thats what i do do but getting bored of plus apple stock is starting to drop while microsoft is rising.

    I don't think company stock is a reason to get rid of one of your things or buy the other company's product. Their stock is not necessarily a sign of whether a specific product of theirs is good or not.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 09:24:51
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Netsurge on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:57 pm

    market cap is important. without it you wouldnt know how much the company is worth.

    How did we go from BBS terminal apps and tablets to stock and market cap? What does that have to do with BBSing?

    Nightfox

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 13:21:21
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:24:51

    How did we go from BBS terminal apps and tablets to stock and market cap? What does
    that have to do with BBSing?

    As a certified stock market type guy I can tell you that Apple is about to go out of business, and all iPads will stop working immediately once that happens.

    ---
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    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 13:17:21
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:13:34

    i hear the new lenovo can go up to 17 hrs max but ibm says only 13.

    What does IBM know about Lenovo's machines? Is IBM doing their own testing
    on them?

    IBM sold their laptop manufacturering to Lenovo... i would hazard a guess that they still test them...


    )\/(ark
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  • From Netsurge@VERT to echicken on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 13:37:20
    As a certified stock market type guy I can tell you that Apple is about
    to go ou t of business, and all iPads will stop working immediately once that happens.

    Did you learn that from the course you took?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:23:22
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to mark lewis on Tue Aug 20 2019 06:47 am

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to
    run my sync on.

    how can you tell without one to actually work with???

    i do research dude and it sounds like a winner for me.

    The Microsoft Surface Pro is a lot like any Intel-based Windows system on the market. If it's portability you're after, then maybe it will be a good device for you. Though for a BBS, I think it's good to have a dedicated computer to run the BBS on, which you can leave running 24/7 for people to use, and you probably won't take it anywhere with you.

    Nightfox

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Netsurge on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 13:47:16
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to echicken on Tue Aug 20 2019 13:37:20

    Did you learn that from the course you took?

    Yep, albeit unexpectedly. (It was an Audio Engineering course. They taught me all about the stock market and how to operate a Trident Series 65 - including how to calibrate my VU meters.)

    ---
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    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to mark lewis on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:54:43
    Re: u/l files
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 10:21 am


    On 2019 Aug 20 06:47:56, you wrote to me:

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to run
    my sync on.

    how can you tell without one to actually work with???

    i do research dude and it sounds like a winner for me.

    so what you meant to say is "the msp sounds like its a great device to run my sync on", correct? ;)

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set
    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. ... There is always free cheese in a mouse trap.

    yes, that's correct.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:57:37
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:13 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:35 pm

    i hear the new lenovo can go up to 17 hrs max but ibm says only 13.

    What does IBM know about Lenovo's machines? Is IBM doing their own testing on them?

    Nightfox

    i got the info off the web.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:58:32
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Netsurge on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:22 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 12:25 am

    Maybe he should just use his iPad for what the rest of us use it for, Netflix and Email when on the road.

    IMO he can use his iPad for whatever he wants.. It's not up to us to decide what he uses his own stuff for.

    Nightfox

    good point.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:59:44
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:23 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Netsurge on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:37 pm

    thats what i do do but getting bored of plus apple stock is starting to drop while microsoft is rising.

    I don't think company stock is a reason to get rid of one of your things or buy the other company's product. Their stock is not
    necessarily
    a sign of whether a specific product of theirs is good or not.

    Nightfox

    last year apple made a huge mistake and made me start thinking to change.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:00:47
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: echicken to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 01:21 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:24:51

    How did we go from BBS terminal apps and tablets to stock and market cap? What does that have to do with BBSing?

    As a certified stock market type guy I can tell you that Apple is about to go out of business, and all iPads will stop working
    immediately
    once that happens.

    good to hear that.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to mark lewis on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:01:39
    Re: u/l files
    By: mark lewis to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 01:17 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:13:34

    i hear the new lenovo can go up to 17 hrs max but ibm says only 13.

    What does IBM know about Lenovo's machines? Is IBM doing their own testing
    on them?

    IBM sold their laptop manufacturering to Lenovo... i would hazard a guess that they still test them...


    )\/(ark

    ibm is merged with lenovo.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:04:32
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 10:23 am

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to mark lewis on Tue Aug 20 2019 06:47 am

    what didnt you like about the msp? i think its a great device to TM>> run my sync on.

    how can you tell without one to actually work with???

    i do research dude and it sounds like a winner for me.

    The Microsoft Surface Pro is a lot like any Intel-based Windows system on the market. If it's portability you're after, then maybe it
    will
    be a good device for you. Though for a BBS, I think it's good to have a dedicated computer to run the BBS on, which you can leave
    running
    24/7 for people to use, and you probably won't take it anywhere with you.

    Nightfox

    no one would log on to my bbs anyways. everyone hates me being here. they just put with this sick old man who lives in a care facility who still enjoys old fashioned bbs communication.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:06:45
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: echicken to Netsurge on Tue Aug 20 2019 01:47 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to echicken on Tue Aug 20 2019 13:37:20

    Did you learn that from the course you took?

    Yep, albeit unexpectedly. (It was an Audio Engineering course. They taught me all about the stock market and how to operate a Trident
    Series 65 - including how to calibrate my VU meters.)

    are you making fun of me?
    i dont see you making fun of dm.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 15:03:46
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:04:32

    no one would log on to my bbs anyways.

    You stand to get as many visitors as the rest of us, which is not many. Sounds like you want to customize your system quite a bit; maybe that'll attract some people.

    everyone hates me being here.

    I don't. I wish you made it easier for us to help you, and that gets annoying at times, but for my part I don't want you or anyone to go away.

    they just put with
    this sick old man who lives in a care facility

    I don't think that's relevant. I only had some vague notion that you had some accessibility needs before you said this, and knew nothing of your age or living circumstances.

    Knowing stuff about your situation might help us to support you (you can't use a physical keyboard, etc.), so I'm not saying to stay silent about it. However, if you're one to worry that people are only engaging with you out of sympathy or pity, you're setting yourself up for paranoia and doubt by bringing it up.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 15:13:01
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:06:45

    Yep, albeit unexpectedly. (It was an Audio Engineering course. They taught me all
    about the stock market and how to operate a Trident Series 65 - including how to
    calibrate my VU meters.)

    are you making fun of me?

    I'm poking fun at the silliness of these message threads lately, which have been all over the place, topic-wise. It's not meant as a personal attack.

    i dont see you making fun of dm.

    Hmm, I'm pretty sure I've done that a few times (in the friendliest and most respectful way possible, obviously). Not sure how it's relevant here, though.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to mark lewis on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:15:06
    Re: u/l files
    By: mark lewis to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 01:17 pm


    i hear the new lenovo can go up to 17 hrs max but ibm says only
    13.

    What does IBM know about Lenovo's machines? Is IBM doing their own
    testing
    on them?

    IBM sold their laptop manufacturering to Lenovo... i would hazard a guess that they still test them...

    I think IBM sold their entire personal computer business to Lenovo (including laptops and desktop PCs), not just laptop manufacturing? I didn't think Lenovo's computer business was related to IBM anymore, perhaps except for the continued usage of the "ThinkPad" name and some design elements.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:20:55
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to mark lewis on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:01 am

    ibm is merged with lenovo.

    I looked it up and saw that IBM has made a deal with Lenovo for Lenovo to provide the IBM-branded computers to IBM's clients:
    https://www.ibm.com/ibm/us/en/pcannouncement

    I don't think this means IBM has "merged" with Lenovo though. As far as I know, they are still 2 separate companies.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 15:09:46
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 12:20 pm

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to mark lewis on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:01 am

    ibm is merged with lenovo.

    I looked it up and saw that IBM has made a deal with Lenovo for Lenovo to provide the IBM-branded computers to IBM's clients:
    https://www.ibm.com/ibm/us/en/pcannouncement

    I don't think this means IBM has "merged" with Lenovo though. As far as I know, they are still 2 separate companies.

    Nightfox

    i was told that Lenovo bought IBM out because IBM was filing for Chapter 11.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 15:41:58
    Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 19 2019 04:30 pm

    When Steve Jobs was absent from Apple the first time (from the late 80s to late 90s), I remember Apple almost disappearing in the late 90s. When Steve Jobs went back to Apple, it seems Apple picked up again big time when they introduced things like the iMac, iPod, and later the iPhone and iPad, etc..

    People have alluded that he brought most of the tech from NeXt and that MacOS was helped greatly by the IP that Steve brought.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 16:33:21
    Re: u/l files
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 03:41 pm

    When Steve Jobs was absent from Apple the first time (from the late
    80s to late 90s), I remember Apple almost disappearing in the late
    90s. When Steve Jobs went back to Apple, it seems Apple picked up
    again big time when they introduced things like the iMac, iPod, and
    later the iPhone and iPad, etc..

    People have alluded that he brought most of the tech from NeXt and that MacOS was helped greatly by the IP that Steve brought.

    Yeah, I had heard that Steve Jobs founded NeXT after he was kicked out of Apple, and then Apple ended up buying NeXT and put Steve Jobs back in the position of CEO. I've heard MacOS X is basically NeXTStep with the Mac interface and utilities.

    I imagine that helped a lot with boosting MacOS and the iMac, etc., though Apple's later products such as the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad were fairly popular too.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 20:54:00
    On 08-19-19 09:43, The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    It has been mentioned before, but BBSing is not well supported on tablets,
    and iOS is the worst platform of the lot. Android at least
    has a
    couple of point systems, and you can also run DOS setups under Magic DOSBox.

    But iOS you're limited to native telnet/SSH terminals that
    aren't designed for BBSing.


    ... Dyslexic State Trooper spends all night handing out IUD's.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51

    somebody finally got it. you tony are a genius.

    Unfortunately, until you get that MSP, you're going to be stuck with poor BBS support. For BBSing, anything would be better. If you were in my part of the world, I'd gladly offer a free netbook. Got a bucketload surplus, and they make great BBS terminals running Lubuntu, SyncTerm and Multimail. That setup is what I use for on the road, combined with a 4G modem/wifi hotspot.


    ... There is a multi-legged creature crawling on your shoulder.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (3:633/410)
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 20:56:00
    On 08-19-19 10:25, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Years ago, when I had an iPod Touch, there used to be an iOS app called iSSH that had good support for BBS ANSI and seemed to work fairly well.
    I never tried uploading or downloading files with it though. And I've heard that iSSH has since been removed from the Apple App Store. It sounds like there haven't been any other BBS telnet clients for iOS
    since then.

    I used to use iSSH, but only for accessing my Linux boxes remotely. I got tired of doing textmode on a phone or tablet pretty quickly! :)


    ... A seed hidden in the heart of an apple is an orchard invisible.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Tony Langdon on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 18:13:51
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 08:54 pm

    On 08-19-19 09:43, The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    It has been mentioned before, but BBSing is not well supported on tablets,
    and iOS is the worst platform of the lot. Android at least
    has a
    couple of point systems, and you can also run DOS setups under Magic DOSBox.

    But iOS you're limited to native telnet/SSH terminals that
    aren't designed for BBSing.


    ... Dyslexic State Trooper spends all night handing out IUD's.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51

    somebody finally got it. you tony are a genius.

    Unfortunately, until you get that MSP, you're going to be stuck with poor BBS support. For BBSing, anything would be better. If you
    were
    in my part of the world, I'd gladly offer a free netbook. Got a bucketload surplus, and they make great BBS terminals running Lubuntu,
    SyncTerm and Multimail. That setup is what I use for on the road, combined with a 4G modem/wifi hotspot.


    ... There is a multi-legged creature crawling on your shoulder.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51

    i tried using sbbs with linux but there's too much compiling to do and the windows version didn't work with that windows emulator in linux.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to echicken on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 21:21:46
    Yep, albeit unexpectedly. (It was an Audio Engineering course. They taught me all about the stock market and how to operate a Trident Series 65 - including ho w to calibrate my VU meters.)

    After reading this echo I feel like I need my VU meters calibrated.

    |15frank |08// |15netsurge
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Netsurge on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 18:31:44
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to echicken on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:21 pm

    Yep, albeit unexpectedly. (It was an Audio Engineering course. They taught me all about the stock market and how to operate a Trident Series 65 - including ho w to calibrate my VU meters.)

    After reading this echo I feel like I need my VU meters calibrated.

    |15frank |08// |15netsurge
    |07disksh0p|08!|07bbs |08% |07bbs.diskshop.ca |08% |07mystic goodness |11SciNet |03ftn hq |08% |07https://diskshop.ca/scinet

    dont forget to set it to 0dB@250nW first.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Rampage on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:11:00
    On 08-20-19 07:18, Rampage wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Netsurge on Mon Aug 19 2019 12:54:10

    It just seems like there's a lack of developers who want to write
    BBS-compatible telnet clients for iOS.

    there's a lack of devs that care to create/maintain BBS apps at all... BBSes are an extremely small niche market these days...

    We'd have to recruit developers from within our ranks who want to work on mobile apps for BBSing.


    ... A noisy exhaust to some almost amounts to a mating call.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:13:00
    On 08-20-19 09:13, Nightfox wrote to Netsurge <=-

    I don't have an iPad, but I have an Android phone, and IMO it's not too difficult to view/manage files on it. At a minimum, if you want to download something, it could be used to download a file while you're
    out and then plug it into your computer and copy the file to your
    computer when you get home.

    Generally too fiddly for me, though there are some good file transfer apps for Android that make it a bit less fiddly.


    ... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:20:00
    On 08-20-19 09:22, Nightfox wrote to Netsurge <=-

    IMO he can use his iPad for whatever he wants.. It's not up to us to decide what he uses his own stuff for.

    Agree, though I also believe in informing users about their technology choices - the pros and cons. The iPad is a nice tablet. I have a couple of older ones here and love them. But it's not the device I'd use for BBSing. I wouldn't use anything iOS for BBSing in the traditional sense, because the support isn't great. And I'm not an app developer, otherwise I'd have worked on addressing that problem myself (the issue is a lack of suitable apps, not the device itself).

    Some developments in the BBS world, like the introduction of NNTP in some software, whether integrated (Mystic, Synchronet, etc) or additional (JAMNNNTPd) opens the way for newsreaders to be used on iOS devices for reading mail. I personally found this easier, when attempting to use an iPad for BBSing, especially if I used an offline newsreader. Unfortunately, the characteristics of NNTP itself aren't great for anyone who uses multiple devices to read mail.


    ... IBM = Institute of Black Magic
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to echicken on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:24:00
    On 08-20-19 15:03, echicken wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:04:32

    no one would log on to my bbs anyways.

    You stand to get as many visitors as the rest of us, which is not many.
    Sounds like you want to customize your system quite a bit; maybe
    that'll attract some people.

    I don't get many visitors, but then again, that doesn't bother me. I setup the BBSs for myself, and if someone else finds them useful, great, if not, no skin off my nose, I still enjoy what I'm doing. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:33:00
    On 08-20-19 11:04, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    no one would log on to my bbs anyways. everyone hates me being here.

    As others pointed out:

    1. There's not a lot of people who would be BBS users around. This is the same for all of us.

    2. There is scope to customise your board, which can attract some users. Some to like boards with a different look and feel.

    they just put with this sick old man who lives in a care facility who still enjoys old fashioned bbs communication.

    We all have our challenges. And each of us has new things to bring to the table. I recall you mentioning that you can't use a conventional keyboard, hence the iPad and (hopefully soon) the MSP. You could be helpful in informing developers on accessibility issues, for instance. This could result in improvements that help all users.

    I'm another who likes old fashioned BBS technology. I love its simplicity, efficiency and intimacy, and find it a much more efficient medium for reading messages.


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  • From Dan Clough@VERT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 21:38:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I don't think this means IBM has "merged" with Lenovo though. As far as I know, they are still 2 separate companies.

    i was told that Lenovo bought IBM out because IBM was filing for
    Chapter 11.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Who "told" you that?



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 19:48:27
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:13 am

    I don't have an iPad, but I have an Android phone, and IMO it's not
    too difficult to view/manage files on it. At a minimum, if you want
    to download something, it could be used to download a file while
    you're out and then plug it into your computer and copy the file to
    your computer when you get home.

    Generally too fiddly for me, though there are some good file transfer apps for Android that make it a bit less fiddly.

    You shouldn't need any special file transfer apps from a mobile phone/tablet to a PC. You can just plug it into a USB port and browse the file system and copy files back & forth.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Netsurge on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 22:21:36
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 12:48 am

    How about buying a used $100 laptop and actually using a proper terminal.


    in the usa you can get a dual core optiplex for around 40 bucks with free shipping on ebay.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 20:44:46
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Tue Aug 20 2019 07:48 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:13 am

    I don't have an iPad, but I have an Android phone, and IMO it's not
    too difficult to view/manage files on it. At a minimum, if you want
    to download something, it could be used to download a file while
    you're out and then plug it into your computer and copy the file to
    your computer when you get home.

    Generally too fiddly for me, though there are some good file transfer apps for Android that make it a bit less fiddly.

    You shouldn't need any special file transfer apps from a mobile phone/tablet to a PC. You can just plug it into a USB port and browse the file system and copy files back & forth.

    Not true of iOS devices.

    digital man

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Dan Clough on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 20:46:48
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Dan Clough to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:38 pm

    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I don't think this means IBM has "merged" with Lenovo though. As far as I know, they are still 2 separate companies.

    i was told that Lenovo bought IBM out because IBM was filing for Chapter 11.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Who "told" you that?



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    um CTV News Channel a few years back.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 20:49:17
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 08:44 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Tue Aug 20 2019 07:48 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:13 am

    I don't have an iPad, but I have an Android phone, and IMO it's not
    too difficult to view/manage files on it. At a minimum, if you want
    to download something, it could be used to download a file while
    you're out and then plug it into your computer and copy the file to
    your computer when you get home.

    Generally too fiddly for me, though there are some good file transfer apps for Android that make it a bit less fiddly.

    You shouldn't need any special file transfer apps from a mobile phone/tablet to a PC. You can just plug it into a USB port and browse
    the file system and copy files back & forth.

    Not true of iOS devices.

    digital man

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    as the millionaire was solely pointing out to you people. the ipad is a limited device. why because of security.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 23:29:45
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Netsurge on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:22 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 12:25 am

    Maybe he should just use his iPad for what the rest of us use it for, Netflix and Email when on the road.

    IMO he can use his iPad for whatever he wants.. It's not up to us to decide what he uses his own stuff for.


    that's your opinion. in my opinion if he subjects us to this bullshit it's up to us to decide.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 23:31:32
    Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:04 am


    no one would log on to my bbs anyways. everyone hates me being here. they ju put with this sick old man who lives in a care facility who still enjoys old fashioned bbs communication.


    everyone hates me too because i'm a 12 year old kid who lives in his mom's basement.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 21:16:01
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 08:44 pm

    You shouldn't need any special file transfer apps from a mobile
    phone/tablet to a PC. You can just plug it into a USB port and browse
    the file system and copy files back & forth.

    Not true of iOS devices.

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files back & forth.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 21:23:56
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Dan Clough on Tue Aug 20 2019 08:46 pm

    i was told that Lenovo bought IBM out because IBM was filing for
    Chapter 11.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Who "told" you that?

    um CTV News Channel a few years back.

    Eh? As far as I knew, IBM and Lenovo are two separate companies. I just did a search online for who owns IBM and I'm not seeing any information about Lenovo buying IBM. I found this, saying IBM is owned by instutional investors (58.0%) and the general public (about 42%), as of September 27, 2018:
    https://bit.ly/2zdXA8V
    Full article URL: https://simplywall.st/stocks/us/software/nyse-ibm/international-business-machin es/news/who-owns-international-business-machines-corporation-nyseibm/

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 21:34:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    i tried using sbbs with linux but there's too much compiling to
    do and the windows version didn't work with that windows emulator
    in linux.

    The required compiling is trivial, and mostly automated. You only
    have to type a few simple commands (or copy/paste them from the
    Wiki, actually) in a terminal. The make file(s) do the rest. On
    a decent computer it takes less than 5 minutes.



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 23:06:34
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:16 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 08:44 pm

    You shouldn't need any special file transfer apps from a mobile
    phone/tablet to a PC. You can just plug it into a USB port and browse
    the file system and copy files back & forth.

    Not true of iOS devices.

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files back & forth.

    Not exactly. You can copy photos (and only photos) *from* the iPhone to the computer. You cannot copy photos (or any other files) from the computer to the iPhone using the USB cable and Windows File Explorer.

    digital man

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:28:00
    On 08-20-19 18:13, The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    i tried using sbbs with linux but there's too much compiling to do and
    the windows version didn't work with that windows emulator in linux.

    The compiling can be scripted. Two scripts - one for upgrading and one for a new installation were posted here in the last 24 hours, as a matter of fact.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 18:09:00
    On 08-20-19 18:31, The Millionaire wrote to Netsurge <=-

    dont forget to set it to 0dB@250nW first.

    Seems a low level (-36 dBm), which I calculated at 12mV in a 600 ohm system. But I'll take your word for it. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 18:16:00
    On 08-20-19 19:48, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Generally too fiddly for me, though there are some good file transfer apps for Android that make it a bit less fiddly.

    You shouldn't need any special file transfer apps from a mobile phone/tablet to a PC. You can just plug it into a USB port and browse
    the file system and copy files back & forth.

    For me, the practice of plugging in via USB _is_ fiddly.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 18:22:00
    On 08-20-19 21:16, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug
    her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files back & forth.

    I know photos are accessible that way. Can't recall what else.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Gamgee on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 18:28:00
    On 08-20-19 21:34, Gamgee wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    The required compiling is trivial, and mostly automated. You only
    have to type a few simple commands (or copy/paste them from the
    Wiki, actually) in a terminal. The make file(s) do the rest. On
    a decent computer it takes less than 5 minutes.

    Takes a bit longer on a Pi. :)


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  • From Dan Clough@VERT to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 07:32:00
    Tony Langdon wrote to Gamgee <=-

    The required compiling is trivial, and mostly automated. You only
    have to type a few simple commands (or copy/paste them from the
    Wiki, actually) in a terminal. The make file(s) do the rest. On
    a decent computer it takes less than 5 minutes.

    Takes a bit longer on a Pi. :)

    Yes, but still an hour maybe, or less. Not something that is a
    huge obstacle to using SBBS on Linux.


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  • From Dan Clough@VERT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 07:33:00
    The Millionaire wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    i was told that Lenovo bought IBM out because IBM was filing for Chapter 11.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Who "told" you that?

    um CTV News Channel a few years back.

    You may want to change the channel...


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Dan Clough on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 08:04:30
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Dan Clough to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 21 2019 07:33 am

    The Millionaire wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    i was told that Lenovo bought IBM out because IBM was filing for Chapter 11.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Who "told" you that?

    um CTV News Channel a few years back.

    You may want to change the channel...


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    yeah you're right those conservatives on that channel are not very great people but entertaining when it comes to political drama in the arena though.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 09:41:00
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:06 pm

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug
    her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files
    back & forth.

    Not exactly. You can copy photos (and only photos) *from* the iPhone to the computer. You cannot copy photos (or any other files) from the computer to the iPhone using the USB cable and Windows File Explorer.

    I suppose that's true. I had an iPod Touch a long time ago and I know you had to use iTunes to copy music to an iOS device.

    But my thought was that if someone is using a terminal program on a mobile device, even on an iOS device, I think they should be able to download a file to the device and then plug it into their PC via USB and copy the downloaded files to their PC.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:36:35
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:06 pm

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug
    her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files
    back & forth.

    Not exactly. You can copy photos (and only photos) *from* the iPhone

    to
    the computer. You cannot copy photos (or any other files) from the computer to the iPhone using the USB cable and Windows File Explorer.

    I suppose that's true. I had an iPod Touch a long time ago and I know

    you
    had to use iTunes to copy music to an iOS device.

    But my thought was that if someone is using a terminal program on a

    mobile
    device, even on an iOS device, I think they should be able to download a file to the device and then plug it into their PC via USB and copy the downloaded files to their PC.

    I agree that you *should* be able to do that, but I know of no way to do that. Even though I have the Apple "Files" utility app installed on my iOS devices, I can't access the files stored in that folder via Windows Explorer.

    digital man

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:54:47
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:36 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:06 pm

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug
    her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files
    back & forth.

    Not exactly. You can copy photos (and only photos) *from* the iPhone

    to
    the computer. You cannot copy photos (or any other files) from the computer to the iPhone using the USB cable and Windows File
    Explorer.

    I suppose that's true. I had an iPod Touch a long time ago and I know

    you
    had to use iTunes to copy music to an iOS device.

    But my thought was that if someone is using a terminal program on a

    mobile
    device, even on an iOS device, I think they should be able to download a file to the device and then plug it into their PC via USB and
    copy the downloaded files to their PC.

    I agree that you *should* be able to do that, but I know of no way to do that. Even though I have the Apple "Files" utility app installed
    on
    my iOS devices, I can't access the files stored in that folder via Windows Explorer.

    digital man

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    you have an ipad?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:55:50
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:54 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:36 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:06 pm

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug
    her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files
    back & forth.

    Not exactly. You can copy photos (and only photos) *from* the iPhone

    to
    the computer. You cannot copy photos (or any other files) from the computer to the iPhone using the USB cable and Windows File Explorer.

    I suppose that's true. I had an iPod Touch a long time ago and I know

    you
    had to use iTunes to copy music to an iOS device.

    But my thought was that if someone is using a terminal program on a

    mobile
    device, even on an iOS device, I think they should be able to download a file to the device and then plug it into their PC via USB and copy the downloaded files to their PC.

    I agree that you *should* be able to do that, but I know of no way to do that. Even though I have the Apple "Files" utility app installed on
    my iOS devices, I can't access the files stored in that folder via Windows Explorer.

    you have an ipad?

    A few, yeah. And iPhones and iPods too.

    digital man

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:33:00
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:36 am

    device, even on an iOS device, I think they should be able to download
    a file to the device and then plug it into their PC via USB and copy
    the
    downloaded files to their PC.

    I agree that you *should* be able to do that, but I know of no way to do that. Even though I have the Apple "Files" utility app installed on my iOS devices, I can't access the files stored in that folder via Windows Explorer.

    Interesting.. Sounds like they make only certain folders accessible, and others not?

    When I had an iPod Touch, I thought I could at least browse all the folders on it. I remember looking at the directory where it stored MP3 files, and all the filenames were mangled, so you couldn't tell what was what just from the filenames (so you basically had to use iTunes to manage the music on it). But at least it seemed like you could browse the filesystem at the time.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 14:35:37
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:55 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:54 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:36 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:06 pm

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug
    her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files
    back & forth.

    Not exactly. You can copy photos (and only photos) *from* the iPhone

    to
    the computer. You cannot copy photos (or any other files) from the computer to the iPhone using the USB cable and Windows
    File
    Explorer.

    I suppose that's true. I had an iPod Touch a long time ago and I know

    you
    had to use iTunes to copy music to an iOS device.

    But my thought was that if someone is using a terminal program on a

    mobile
    device, even on an iOS device, I think they should be able to download a file to the device and then plug it into their PC via
    USB
    and copy the downloaded files to their PC.

    I agree that you *should* be able to do that, but I know of no way to do that. Even though I have the Apple "Files" utility app
    installed on
    my iOS devices, I can't access the files stored in that folder via Windows Explorer.

    you have an ipad?

    A few, yeah. And iPhones and iPods too.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #32:
    Derek Smalls: [A jog?] We don't have time for that.
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    why didn't you tell me? we could have solved this problem quicker.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 15:28:25
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 02:35 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:55 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:54 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:36 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:06 pm

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug
    her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files
    back & forth.

    Not exactly. You can copy photos (and only photos) *from* the iPhone

    to
    the computer. You cannot copy photos (or any other files) from the computer to the iPhone using the USB cable and Windows File
    Explorer.

    I suppose that's true. I had an iPod Touch a long time ago and I know

    you
    had to use iTunes to copy music to an iOS device.

    But my thought was that if someone is using a terminal program on a

    mobile
    device, even on an iOS device, I think they should be able to download a file to the device and then plug it into their PC via USB
    and copy the downloaded files to their PC.

    I agree that you *should* be able to do that, but I know of no way to do that. Even though I have the Apple "Files" utility app installed on my iOS devices, I can't access the files stored in that folder via Windows Explorer.

    you have an ipad?

    A few, yeah. And iPhones and iPods too.

    why didn't you tell me? we could have solved this problem quicker.

    It sounds like you might have a problem with fTelnet. I'm not the fTelnet developer. The fTelnet developer is Rick Parrish and his BBS, which you can test with, is here:
    https://www.ftelnet.ca/demos/basic-demo/

    If fTelnet on the iPad works fine there, but not on Vertrauen, then that's my problem. But if it doesn't work on Rick's BBS, it isn't likely to work on anyone else's either.

    digital man

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    I don't really think the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end Norco, CA WX: 94.3øF, 26.0% humidity, 9 mph NNE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 17:28:30
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 21 2019 03:28 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 02:35 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:55 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:54 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:36 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 20 2019 11:06 pm

    My wife has an iPhone, and she's able to do that. I've seen her plug
    her phone into her PC via USB and browse its filesystem and copy files
    back & forth.

    Not exactly. You can copy photos (and only photos) *from* the iPhone

    to
    the computer. You cannot copy photos (or any other files) from the computer to the iPhone using the USB cable and
    Windows File
    Explorer.

    I suppose that's true. I had an iPod Touch a long time ago and I know

    you
    had to use iTunes to copy music to an iOS device.

    But my thought was that if someone is using a terminal program on a

    mobile
    device, even on an iOS device, I think they should be able to download a file to the device and then plug it into their PC
    via USB
    and copy the downloaded files to their PC.

    I agree that you *should* be able to do that, but I know of no way to do that. Even though I have the Apple "Files" utility
    app
    installed on my iOS devices, I can't access the files stored in that folder via Windows Explorer.

    you have an ipad?

    A few, yeah. And iPhones and iPods too.

    why didn't you tell me? we could have solved this problem quicker.

    It sounds like you might have a problem with fTelnet. I'm not the fTelnet developer. The fTelnet developer is Rick Parrish and his BBS,
    which you can test with, is here:
    https://www.ftelnet.ca/demos/basic-demo/

    If fTelnet on the iPad works fine there, but not on Vertrauen, then that's my problem. But if it doesn't work on Rick's BBS, it isn't
    likely
    to work on anyone else's either.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #45:
    I don't really think the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end Norco, CA WX: 94.3øF, 26.0% humidity, 9 mph NNE wind, 0.00
    inches
    rain/24hrs

    well i sent you by email the error i got dm so i dont know where the problem is.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 17:05:07
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 20 2019 09:23 pm

    Lenovo manufactured Thinkpads and other hardware for IBM, and IBM sold the name and rights to Lenovo over the years.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Dan Clough on Thursday, August 22, 2019 09:50:00
    On 08-21-19 07:32, Dan Clough wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Takes a bit longer on a Pi. :)

    Yes, but still an hour maybe, or less. Not something that is a
    huge obstacle to using SBBS on Linux.

    True, I think it's something like about half an hour, not a ridiculous amount of time. :)


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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to The Millionaire on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 21:01:20
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 17:28:30

    well i sent you by email the error i got dm so i dont know where the problem is.

    What error did you get? Please share with the group.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 18:14:02
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: echicken to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 21 2019 09:01 pm

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 21 2019 17:28:30

    well i sent you by email the error i got dm so i dont know where the problem is.

    What error did you get? Please share with the group.

    idontremembernow.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 22:04:37
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 06:16 pm

    On 08-20-19 19:48, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Generally too fiddly for me, though there are some good file transfer a for Android that make it a bit less fiddly.

    You shouldn't need any special file transfer apps from a mobile phone/tablet to a PC. You can just plug it into a USB port and browse the file system and copy files back & forth.

    For me, the practice of plugging in via USB _is_ fiddly.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 22:05:38
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 21 2019 11:55 am

    you have an ipad?

    A few, yeah. And iPhones and iPods too.

    digital man



    now you did it.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 19:46:14
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Aug 21 2019 05:05 pm

    Lenovo manufactured Thinkpads and other hardware for IBM, and IBM sold the name and rights to Lenovo over the years.

    I remember when IBM sold the name & rights (I thought they sold their entire personal computer business to Lenovo).

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 21:44:00
    The Millionaire wrote to echicken <=-

    well i sent you by email the error i got dm so i dont know where the problem is.

    What error did you get? Please share with the group.

    idontremembernow.

    This has gone *WAY* beyond ridiculous.

    Could you do us a favor, and just give up on the UL/DL issues with iPad/ftelnet. It's just not worth anybody's effort to try and
    "fix" something that likely isn't fixable to begin with.

    You've gotten by this long, let it be an incentive to get the MSP
    as soon as possible and ALL your problems with be history!

    Thanks!!!


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 22:33:47
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 21 2019 09:44 pm

    This has gone *WAY* beyond ridiculous.

    Could you do us a favor, and just give up on the UL/DL issues with iPad/ftelnet. It's just not worth anybody's effort to try and
    "fix" something that likely isn't fixable to begin with.

    You've gotten by this long, let it be an incentive to get the MSP
    as soon as possible and ALL your problems with be history!

    Thanks!!!

    Lumbergh from Office Space: Yeahh, if you could go ahead and buy that MSP, that would be great. Thanks!

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to MRO on Thursday, August 22, 2019 15:32:00
    On 08-21-19 22:04, MRO wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    i feel sorry for your wife.

    I love the dopey assumptions. :P


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Thursday, August 22, 2019 08:02:29
    This has gone *WAY* beyond ridiculous.

    Could you do us a favor, and just give up on the UL/DL issues with iPad/ftelnet. It's just not worth anybody's effort to try and
    "fix" something that likely isn't fixable to begin with.

    You've gotten by this long, let it be an incentive to get the MSP
    as soon as possible and ALL your problems with be history!

    Thanks!!!

    ... Error reading REALITY.SYS - Solar System halted.
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    $ The Millionaire $

    Well it least was good reading, a good topic and brought up the Nielsen ratings up higher. :-P

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Thursday, August 22, 2019 22:34:36
    On 2019 Aug 20 11:01:38, you wrote to me:

    IBM sold their laptop manufacturering to Lenovo... i would hazard a
    guess that they still test them...

    ibm is merged with lenovo.

    nope... lenovo has made IBMs machines for years... they even make some of their
    mini/main frame equipment these days...

    )\/(ark

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    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to mark lewis on Thursday, August 22, 2019 21:17:53
    Re: u/l files
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 22 2019 10:34 pm

    ibm is merged with lenovo.

    nope... lenovo has made IBMs machines for years... they even make some of their mini/main frame equipment these days...

    Correct. IBM still exists and continues to make business and computing products. One thing of theirs I've heard about is their 'Watson' artificial intelligence engine. And I have the Weather Channel app installed on my smartphone, and when I run it, it says "An IBM business".

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tony Langdon on Friday, August 23, 2019 00:04:14
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Thu Aug 22 2019 03:32 pm

    On 08-21-19 22:04, MRO wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    i feel sorry for your wife.

    I love the dopey assumptions. :P



    it was a joke about you not being able to get it in
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to MRO on Friday, August 23, 2019 18:07:00
    On 08-23-19 00:04, MRO wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Thu Aug 22 2019 03:32 pm

    On 08-21-19 22:04, MRO wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    i feel sorry for your wife.

    I love the dopey assumptions. :P



    it was a joke about you not being able to get it in

    I know, but based on assumptions. :P


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, August 23, 2019 16:06:10
    Re: u/l files
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 22 2019 10:34 pm

    Correct. IBM still exists and continues to make business and computing products. One thing of theirs I've heard about is their 'Watson' artificial intelligence engine. And I have the Weather Channel app installed on my smartphone, and when I run it, it says "An IBM business".

    Nightfox

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    $ The Millionaire $

    Well at least I got my files finally uploaded and jumping with joy!

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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to echicken on Friday, August 23, 2019 21:09:51
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: echicken to Netsurge on Tue Aug 20 2019 01:47 pm

    Did you learn that from the course you took?
    Yep, albeit unexpectedly. (It was an Audio Engineering course. They taught me all about the stock market and how to operate a Trident Series 65 - including how to calibrate my VU meters.)

    I'd love to take that class... is it still available? :)
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Friday, August 23, 2019 18:30:58
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: echicken to Netsurge on Tue Aug 20 2019 01:47 pm

    I'd love to take that class... is it still available? :)
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    $ The Millionaire $

    They don’t teach you the stock market in audio engineering.

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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to The Millionaire on Monday, August 26, 2019 21:25:56
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 14:37:53
    @MSGID: <5D6486A4.2786.dove-syncdisc@bbs.lostcause.house>
    @REPLY: <5D609352.6484.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    @TZ: c12c
    Re: Re: u/l files
    By: The Millionaire to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Fri Aug 23 2019 06:30 pm

    I was teasing/being silly... ;)
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    Is that what you guys do to me all the time is tease me?

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