• ISP Port Blocking

    From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 07:37:05
    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 18:01:48
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 07:37 am

    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.

    $ The Millionaire $

    `maybe one day we might not be able to run a bbs. *sighs*

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to The Millionaire on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 22:46:18
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 06:01 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 07:37 am
    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.
    `maybe one day we might not be able to run a bbs. *sighs*

    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 22:21:35
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 06:01 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 07:37 am

    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.

    $ The Millionaire $


    my isp lets me do whatever i want. if they change that, i go to another
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 20:50:22
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to The Millionaire on Wed Jul 31 2019 10:46 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 06:01 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 07:37 am
    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.
    `maybe one day we might not be able to run a bbs. *sighs*

    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...

    and what will that achieve by doing so?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 20:52:18
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Wed Jul 31 2019 10:21 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 06:01 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 07:37 am

    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.

    $ The Millionaire $


    my isp lets me do whatever i want. if they change that, i go to another

    interesting. must just be the isp then. not a scare tactic per se?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Thursday, August 01, 2019 18:24:00
    On 07-31-19 07:37, The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.

    Mine blocks a few common ports by default, but you can turn that off. They assume only those who know what they're doing will want to turn off the filtering. The average user wouldn't even know what it was, and they do say "leave it on, unless you know what you're doing". :) Anyway, I leave the filtering off.

    It's refreshing to have an ISP that doesn't treat everyone like a fool. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thursday, August 01, 2019 09:50:53
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 06:01 pm

    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.

    `maybe one day we might not be able to run a bbs. *sighs*

    I think we still will, but on alternate ports if we have to. Or maybe there would be enough users to demand that ISPs don't mess with the ports so much.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Thursday, August 01, 2019 09:52:18
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to The Millionaire on Wed Jul 31 2019 10:46 pm

    `maybe one day we might not be able to run a bbs. *sighs*

    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...

    That's one solution, although for me, running a BBS on my own computer at home is part of the fun. It always seemed novel to be able to run a server from my own home that people can use. I also use my BBS machine as a Plex server to be able to stream movies & TV shows & such to my TVs at home, so it's serving more than one purpose.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thursday, August 01, 2019 09:52:39
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Wed Jul 31 2019 10:21 pm

    my isp lets me do whatever i want. if they change that, i go to another

    But how many ISPs let you do whatever you want?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thursday, August 01, 2019 09:53:05
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Wed Jul 31 2019 08:50 pm

    `maybe one day we might not be able to run a bbs. *sighs*

    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...

    and what will that achieve by doing so?

    Cloud providers typically don't block ports like ISPs do..

    Nightfox

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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to The Millionaire on Thursday, August 01, 2019 13:41:56
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Wed Jul 31 2019 08:50 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to The Millionaire on Wed Jul 31 2019 10:46 pm
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 06:01 pm
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 07:37 am
    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.
    `maybe one day we might not be able to run a bbs. *sighs*
    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...

    and what will that achieve by doing so?

    A cloud provider isn't going to block any ports. They are designed for enterprises that need full control of their networking. (aka, able to make available any port needed on the server.)
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to The Millionaire on Thursday, August 01, 2019 09:48:47
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Wed Jul 31 2019 08:50 pm

    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...

    and what will that achieve by doing so?

    Most home ISPs are blocking server ports, and disallowing home server use in their acceptable use policies. Cloud providers don't have those limitations, although they have their own issues.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thursday, August 01, 2019 16:01:34
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Wed Jul 31 2019 08:50 pm

    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jul 31 2019 07:37 am
    i have been hearing stories about more port blocking. such a shame.
    `maybe one day we might not be able to run a bbs. *sighs*

    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...

    and what will that achieve by doing so?

    if you dont know what something is, use google or something.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, August 01, 2019 16:05:37
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Nightfox to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Thu Aug 01 2019 09:52 am

    home is part of the fun. It always seemed novel to be able to run a server from my own home that people can use. I also use my BBS machine as a Plex server to be able to stream movies & TV shows & such to my TVs at home, so


    i'm not a fan of plex. i just went to streaming it to the tv vai hdmi
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, August 01, 2019 16:06:09
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Aug 01 2019 09:52 am

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Wed Jul 31 2019 10:21 pm

    my isp lets me do whatever i want. if they change that, i go to another

    But how many ISPs let you do whatever you want?


    the ones that are available to me in my area don't have any restrictions i'm against.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thursday, August 01, 2019 17:28:18
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 01 2019 04:05 pm

    i'm not a fan of plex. i just went to streaming it to the tv vai hdmi

    If you have something plugged into the TV directly via HDMI, that's not really streaming - Assuming you're playing it directly on the device, unless you mean streaming from an online service on a laptop or something connected via HDMI?

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, August 01, 2019 22:34:48
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 01 2019 09:48 am

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Wed Jul 31 2019 08:50 pm

    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...

    and what will that achieve by doing so?

    Most home ISPs are blocking server ports, and disallowing home server use in their acceptable use policies. Cloud providers don't have those limitations,



    what isps are doing this? i'm on a major one and my friend is on another major one and we both have no problems.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, August 01, 2019 22:37:16
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Aug 01 2019 05:28 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 01 2019 04:05 pm

    i'm not a fan of plex. i just went to streaming it to the tv vai hdmi

    If you have something plugged into the TV directly via HDMI, that's not really streaming - Assuming you're playing it directly on the device, unless you mean streaming from an online service on a laptop or something connected via HDMI?



    okay if you say so.

    i'm playing it via hdmi because i dont want to lose quality by using plex.
    i use some online services.
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  • From Al@VERT to MRO on Thursday, August 01, 2019 20:45:38
    Most home ISPs are blocking server ports, and disallowing home server use in >> their acceptable use policies. Cloud providers don't have those limitations,

    what isps are doing this? i'm on a major one and my friend is on another majo
    one and we both have no problems.

    My ISP (Telus) does this. Port 21, 25 and 80 are blocked. There may be others that I haven't noticed.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Friday, August 02, 2019 09:20:22
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 01 2019 10:37 pm

    If you have something plugged into the TV directly via HDMI, that's
    not really streaming - Assuming you're playing it directly on the

    okay if you say so.

    i'm playing it via hdmi because i dont want to lose quality by using plex. i use some online services.

    Maybe I'll stream some movies from my blu-ray player some time soon.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Friday, August 02, 2019 09:33:32
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 01 2019 04:01 pm

    if you dont know what something is, use google or something.

    http://letmegooglethat.com

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Friday, August 02, 2019 12:54:48
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 02 2019 09:20 am

    If you have something plugged into the TV directly via HDMI, that's
    not really streaming - Assuming you're playing it directly on the

    okay if you say so.

    i'm playing it via hdmi because i dont want to lose quality by using
    plex. i use some online services.

    Maybe I'll stream some movies from my blu-ray player some time soon.

    Also if I still had a VHS player, I could "stream" some old VHS movies to my TV.

    With things like Plex, there's a tradeoff between convenience and quality. It's like ripping music from CD to MP3 - When encoded well, it seems fairly difficult to tell the difference in quality. If I want to quickly bring up a movie or show to watch, often I'm okay with it. I do still like to buy movies on blu-ray though, for the quality.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, August 02, 2019 18:18:22
    Re: Movie streaming
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 02 2019 12:54 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 02 2019 09:20 am

    With things like Plex, there's a tradeoff between convenience and quality. It's like ripping music from
    CD to MP3 - When encoded well, it seems fairly difficult to tell the difference in quality. If I want to
    quickly bring up a movie or show to watch, often I'm okay with it. I do still like to buy movies on
    blu-ray though, for the quality.

    I have a NAS box at home, and playback via Kodi on an NVidia Shield TV. Unfortunately, it's about the only decent small device that does network h.265 @ 4K decently. I also have a couple fire sticks and chromecasts. Really wish the shield tv was better supported by third party apps though.

    Aside: DM, really like the enhanced support for telnet/ssh from a regular terminal, though the backspace/delete keys on mac (iterm) seem a bit off. Switching to Linux in a couple months when I do a new build anyway.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Friday, August 02, 2019 23:06:48
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Al to MRO on Thu Aug 01 2019 08:45 pm

    Most home ISPs are blocking server ports, and disallowing home server use in >> their acceptable use policies. Cloud providers don't have those limitations,

    what isps are doing this? i'm on a major one and my friend is on another majo
    one and we both have no problems.

    My ISP (Telus) does this. Port 21, 25 and 80 are blocked. There may be others that I haven't noticed.


    that's canada, right? i'm not surprised. you guys are always fucked on your internet services.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Friday, August 02, 2019 23:08:54
    Re: Movie streaming
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 02 2019 12:54 pm

    With things like Plex, there's a tradeoff between convenience and quality. It's like ripping music from CD to MP3 - When encoded well, it seems fairly difficult to tell the difference in quality. If I want to quickly bring up a movie or show to watch, often I'm okay with it. I do still like to buy movies on blu-ray though, for the quality.


    audio and video are apples and oranges, though.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Tracker1 on Friday, August 02, 2019 21:40:04
    Re: Movie streaming
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Aug 02 2019 06:18 pm

    Re: Movie streaming
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 02 2019 12:54 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 02 2019 09:20 am

    With things like Plex, there's a tradeoff between convenience and quality. It's like ripping music from
    CD to MP3 - When encoded well, it seems fairly difficult to tell the difference in quality. If I want to quickly bring up a movie or show to watch, often I'm okay with it. I do still like to buy movies on
    blu-ray though, for the quality.

    I have a NAS box at home, and playback via Kodi on an NVidia Shield TV. Unfortunately, it's about the only decent small device that does network h.265 @ 4K decently. I also have a couple fire sticks and chromecasts. Really wish the shield tv was better supported by third party apps though.

    Aside: DM, really like the enhanced support for telnet/ssh from a regular terminal, though the backspace/delete keys on mac (iterm) seem a bit off.

    There's a new toggle option for that (treat DEL as Backspace) in the user terminal settings.

    Switching to Linux in a couple months when I do a new build anyway.

    You'll have the same problem with xterm on Linux unless you muck with term caps I suppose. The default for most *nix console terminals is the backspace/left-delete key sends 0x7F (DEL) rather than Ctrl-H.

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to MRO on Saturday, August 03, 2019 01:39:52
    that's canada, right? i'm not surprised. you guys are always fucked on your internet services.

    Only with the big telcos. I have had service from a company that isn't a
    telco for about 15 years and they don't block any ports.

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  • From Al@VERT to Netsurge on Friday, August 02, 2019 23:20:36
    that's canada, right? i'm not surprised. you guys are always fucked on
    your internet services.

    Only with the big telcos. I have had service from a company that isn't a telco for about 15 years and they don't block any ports.

    I wonder if that company provides services here? There are only two choices here that I know of. Telus and Shaw. Telus is the telco and Shaw is the cable provider for BC and I think most of western Canada.

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Al on Saturday, August 03, 2019 02:29:04
    I wonder if that company provides services here? There are only two choices here that I know of. Telus and Shaw. Telus is the telco and Shaw is the cable provid er for BC and I think most of western Canada.

    There website says the offer service in BC. You can get more info here: https://teksavvy.com

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Friday, August 02, 2019 23:40:34
    Re: Movie streaming
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Aug 02 2019 11:08 pm

    audio and video are apples and oranges, though.
    when you throw away quality from video, you can see artifacts and other issues.

    It might depend on the quality settings you use when compressing the video. If the quality settings are high enough, it's hard for me to notice much difference.

    Nightfox

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to MRO on Saturday, August 03, 2019 01:09:16
    Re: Movie streaming
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Aug 02 2019 23:08:54

    I have several movies in Sony PSP format you can download for your PSP/PSVita. It's at https://pspvideo.singfun.asia - click on a mvie and there is a top-right button to download it...

    Please don't post this elsewhere...

    Marisa
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Saturday, August 03, 2019 09:00:10
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 01 2019 10:34 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 01 2019 09:48 am

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Wed Jul 31 2019 08:50 pm

    Then they'll simply move to cloud providers... like AWS...

    and what will that achieve by doing so?

    Most home ISPs are blocking server ports, and disallowing home server use in their acceptable use policies. Cloud providers don't have
    those limitations,



    what isps are doing this? i'm on a major one and my friend is on another major one and we both have no problems.

    some sysop i know told me this story.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Saturday, August 03, 2019 09:02:09
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Aug 02 2019 09:33 am

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 01 2019 04:01 pm

    if you dont know what something is, use google or something.

    http://letmegooglethat.com


    LOL!

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Saturday, August 03, 2019 09:07:56
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to Al on Fri Aug 02 2019 11:06 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Al to MRO on Thu Aug 01 2019 08:45 pm

    Most home ISPs are blocking server ports, and disallowing home server use in >> their acceptable use policies. Cloud providers don't
    have those limitations,

    what isps are doing this? i'm on a major one and my friend is on another majo
    one and we both have no problems.

    My ISP (Telus) does this. Port 21, 25 and 80 are blocked. There may be others that I haven't noticed.


    that's canada, right? i'm not surprised. you guys are always fucked on your internet services.

    well at least don't have to deal with Donald Dumpster like you americans have to.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Netsurge on Saturday, August 03, 2019 12:38:04
    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Netsurge to MRO on Sat Aug 03 2019 01:39 am

    that's canada, right? i'm not surprised. you guys are always fucked on your internet services.

    Only with the big telcos. I have had service from a company that isn't a telco for about 15 years and they don't block any ports.

    |15frank |08// |15netsurge


    with my canadian friends i've always heard of bandwidth caps, high prices and other issues.
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  • From Al@VERT to Netsurge on Saturday, August 03, 2019 10:58:30
    I wonder if that company provides services here? There are only two
    choices here that I know of. Telus and Shaw. Telus is the telco and Shaw
    is the cable provid er for BC and I think most of western Canada.

    There website says the offer service in BC. You can get more info here: https://teksavvy.com

    Interesting. Apparently they do offer service here, looks new.

    I'm going to give them a call.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Marisag on Saturday, August 03, 2019 12:39:31
    Re: Movie streaming
    By: Marisag to MRO on Sat Aug 03 2019 01:09 am

    Re: Movie streaming
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Aug 02 2019 23:08:54

    I have several movies in Sony PSP format you can download for your PSP/PSVita. It's at https://pspvideo.singfun.asia - click on a mvie and there is a top-right button to download it...

    Please don't post this elsewhere...



    i dont know if you meant this to be a private msg or not, but this will be posted on the internet and cached by google from every synchronet bbs that has their msg areas open on the web.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Saturday, August 03, 2019 12:41:55
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Aug 03 2019 09:07 am


    well at least don't have to deal with Donald Dumpster like you americans have to.


    are you talking about donald trump who dealt with north korea, sent our gdp through the roof and brought back jobs and opportunities for black men and people who need a second chance after incarceration?

    anybody who doesn't like what donald trump does is a fucking idiot.
    the results speak for themselves and even democrats are saying this.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Saturday, August 03, 2019 14:42:07
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 03 2019 12:41 pm

    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Aug 03 2019 09:07 am


    well at least don't have to deal with Donald Dumpster like you americans have to.


    are you talking about donald trump who dealt with north korea, sent our gdp through the roof and brought back jobs and opportunities for
    black men and people who need a second chance after incarceration?

    anybody who doesn't like what donald trump does is a fucking idiot.
    the results speak for themselves and even democrats are saying this.

    well cnn is democrat and they're not saying it.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Saturday, August 03, 2019 17:28:00
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Sat Aug 03 2019 12:41 pm

    anybody who doesn't like what donald trump does is a fucking idiot.
    the results speak for themselves and even democrats are saying this.

    I love how he has put tarrifs on China, which produces parts included in almost everything we buy, which should increase prices for a lot of goods.. That's great. Thanks, Trump. (thumbs-up)

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Al on Sunday, August 04, 2019 08:11:00
    On 08-03-19 10:58, Al wrote to Netsurge <=-

    I wonder if that company provides services here? There are only two
    choices here that I know of. Telus and Shaw. Telus is the telco and Shaw
    is the cable provid er for BC and I think most of western Canada.

    There website says the offer service in BC. You can get more info here: https://teksavvy.com

    Interesting. Apparently they do offer service here, looks new.

    I'm going to give them a call.

    I'm amazed at the lack of available ISPs there. Here, I am not sure of the choice of ISPs, but it's at least several, expecially since the dominant telco (Telstra) no longer has a near monopoly on the last mile. The NBN will be in that position, but unlike Telstra, NBN does not sell retail services, it just sells last mile access to the ISPs.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to MRO on Sunday, August 04, 2019 08:13:00
    On 08-02-19 23:08, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    audio and video are apples and oranges, though.
    when you throw away quality from video, you can see artifacts and other

    It's the same for audio, except that you hear, rather than see the effects of compression. I can hear the effects of MP3 on certain tracks, and I know people who are even more sensitive to audible artifacts of lossy audio compression than me.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 04, 2019 08:16:00
    On 08-02-19 23:40, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    It might depend on the quality settings you use when compressing the video. If the quality settings are high enough, it's hard for me to notice much difference.

    It also depends on the content. Some scenes are very hard to compress well, like video of ocean swell and waves. That really pushes video compression, because of the constantly moving and changing details that the eye is sensitive to.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Tony Langdon on Saturday, August 03, 2019 20:53:15
    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Sun Aug 04 2019 08:13 am

    On 08-02-19 23:08, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    audio and video are apples and oranges, though.
    when you throw away quality from video, you can see artifacts and other

    It's the same for audio, except that you hear, rather than see the effects of compression. I can hear the effects of MP3 on certain
    tracks,
    and I know people who are even more sensitive to audible artifacts of lossy audio compression than me.


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    Well I used to be a Recording Studio Engineer so audio I know for a fact has a lot of sensitive frequencies due to the instrument or person's vocal range. it's always different for each song because of how they are recorded and mixed as well.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 04, 2019 18:25:00
    On 08-03-19 20:53, The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Well I used to be a Recording Studio Engineer so audio I know for a
    fact has a lot of sensitive frequencies due to the instrument or
    person's vocal range. it's always different for each song because of
    how they are recorded and mixed as well.

    You should be somewhat sensitive. With me, it's the "stability" of the tonal qualities that I pick up first. Increasing the level of compression makes these artifacts more audible.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Tony Langdon on Sunday, August 04, 2019 07:13:39
    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 04 2019 06:25 pm

    On 08-03-19 20:53, The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Well I used to be a Recording Studio Engineer so audio I know for a fact has a lot of sensitive frequencies due to the instrument or person's vocal range. it's always different for each song because of how they are recorded and mixed as well.

    You should be somewhat sensitive. With me, it's the "stability" of the tonal qualities that I pick up first. Increasing the level of
    compression makes these artifacts more audible.


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    the problem in the industry is too much hyper compression amongst recording and mixing these days which causes a lot more artifacts. in the olden days we never used more compression than we ever needed to. how things have changed..
    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 04, 2019 15:04:09
    Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:42 pm

    the results speak for themselves and even democrats are saying this.

    well cnn is democrat and they're not saying it.


    cnn certainly has an agenda and they are proven to be liars.
    they were even against bernie sanders during the last election.

    CNN is a tool for turner broadasting to push their agendas onto the american public.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tony Langdon on Sunday, August 04, 2019 15:29:26
    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Sun Aug 04 2019 08:13 am

    On 08-02-19 23:08, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    audio and video are apples and oranges, though.
    when you throw away quality from video, you can see artifacts and other

    It's the same for audio, except that you hear, rather than see the effects of compression. I can hear the effects of MP3 on certain tracks, and I know people who are even more sensitive to audible artifacts of lossy audio compression than me.


    no, audio is not the same as video.
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Monday, August 05, 2019 09:49:00
    On 08-04-19 07:13, The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    the problem in the industry is too much hyper compression amongst recording and mixing these days which causes a lot more artifacts. in
    the olden days we never used more compression than we ever needed to.
    how things have changed..

    Here we may get into some confusion, because there's different types of compression used in music processing. Dynamic range compression has been used for decades to make radio statiosns sound "louder", and improve the listening experiences on vinyl and tape. Some modern songs seem to use a ridiculous amount of this kind of compression, whether that's for effect or some other reason.

    But I was referring to the lossy data compression used to compress audio - MP3, AAC, etc. And I've done my own tests using source material like CDs, which I doubt have had lossy data compression used on their audio tracks up to that point.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Sunday, August 04, 2019 17:22:43
    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 04 2019 06:25 pm

    Well I used to be a Recording Studio Engineer so audio I know for a
    fact has a lot of sensitive frequencies due to the instrument or
    person's vocal range. it's always different for each song because of
    how they are recorded and mixed as well.

    You should be somewhat sensitive. With me, it's the "stability" of the tonal qualities that I pick up first. Increasing the level of compression makes these artifacts more audible.

    Years ago, I remember reading that 128kbit was about good enough for a good-sounding MP3. And indeed, for me, 128kbit MP3 sounded fine. I think I can start to notice artifacts when it gets down to 96kbit or 64kbit for MP3.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Tony Langdon on Sunday, August 04, 2019 18:15:40
    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Mon Aug 05 2019 09:49 am

    On 08-04-19 07:13, The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    the problem in the industry is too much hyper compression amongst recording and mixing these days which causes a lot more artifacts.
    in
    the olden days we never used more compression than we ever needed to. how things have changed..

    Here we may get into some confusion, because there's different types of compression used in music processing. Dynamic range compression
    has
    been used for decades to make radio statiosns sound "louder", and improve the listening experiences on vinyl and tape. Some modern songs
    seem to use a ridiculous amount of this kind of compression, whether that's for effect or some other reason.

    But I was referring to the lossy data compression used to compress audio - MP3, AAC, etc. And I've done my own tests using source
    material
    like CDs, which I doubt have had lossy data compression used on their audio tracks up to that point.


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    when they converted to cd in 1982 they used the original source tapes which had limitations to them.
    everytime you copy or compress youre bound to lose a little bit of quality. nothing is perfect.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 04, 2019 18:17:10
    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Sun Aug 04 2019 05:22 pm

    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 04 2019 06:25 pm

    Well I used to be a Recording Studio Engineer so audio I know for a
    fact has a lot of sensitive frequencies due to the instrument or
    person's vocal range. it's always different for each song because of
    how they are recorded and mixed as well.

    You should be somewhat sensitive. With me, it's the "stability" of the tonal qualities that I pick up first. Increasing the level of
    compression makes these artifacts more audible.

    Years ago, I remember reading that 128kbit was about good enough for a good-sounding MP3. And indeed, for me, 128kbit MP3 sounded fine.
    I
    think I can start to notice artifacts when it gets down to 96kbit or 64kbit for MP3.

    Nightfox


    yes correct. more compression = lower quality.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Sunday, August 04, 2019 00:05:00
    MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    what isps are doing this? i'm on a major one and my friend is on
    another major one and we both have no problems.

    Comcast - they block port 25 inbound.



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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 05, 2019 12:16:00
    On 08-04-19 17:22, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Years ago, I remember reading that 128kbit was about good enough for a good-sounding MP3. And indeed, for me, 128kbit MP3 sounded fine. I
    think I can start to notice artifacts when it gets down to 96kbit or 64kbit for MP3.

    128k is OK, but I prefer 192 or higher. I have a friend who can hear the artifacts in a 320k MP3. I have to use FLAC when giving him audio to check
    ut.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Monday, August 05, 2019 12:17:00
    On 08-04-19 18:15, The Millionaire wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    when they converted to cd in 1982 they used the original source tapes which had limitations to them.

    True.

    everytime you copy or compress youre bound to lose a little bit of quality. nothing is perfect.

    Sometimes. Digital copies can be perfect replicas.

    But again, you ignore the subtleties I was trying to convey and conflating different types of compression that do totally different things, as well as the distracting side issue of copying (mostly analog) media.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 04, 2019 19:46:01
    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Sun Aug 04 2019 05:22 pm

    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 04 2019 06:25 pm

    Well I used to be a Recording Studio Engineer so audio I know for a
    fact has a lot of sensitive frequencies due to the instrument or
    person's vocal range. it's always different for each song because of
    how they are recorded and mixed as well.

    You should be somewhat sensitive. With me, it's the "stability" of the tonal qualities that I pick up first. Increasing the level of compression makes these artifacts more audible.

    Years ago, I remember reading that 128kbit was about good enough for a good-sounding MP3. And indeed, for me, 128kbit MP3 sounded fine. I think I can start to notice artifacts when it gets down to 96kbit or 64kbit for MP3.

    A lot depends on the quality of the encoder. Not all 128kbps MP3s are equal! Those older 128kbps MP3s sounded pretty bad actually. And then VBR made things better, but then CBR encoders got better and VBR wasn't really worth the backwards compatibility issues. So... these aren't your dad's MP3s you're hearing today (unless they were *encoded* in the 90's, of course)!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sunday, August 04, 2019 19:35:45
    Re: Re: Movie streaming
    By: The Millionaire to Tony Langdon on Sun Aug 04 2019 06:15 pm

    when they converted to cd in 1982 they used the original source tapes which had limitations to them. everytime you copy or compress youre bound to lose a little bit of quality. nothing is perfect.

    Yeah, there are many CD albums where the source material is a tape. For some of those CDs, I can hear tape hiss on the CD - Dire Straits' first album is one example of that for me. I notice the hiss in the quiet parts of the songs (i..e, at the fade-ins and fade-outs at the beginnings & ends of the songs).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, August 04, 2019 19:37:06
    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Aug 04 2019 12:05 am

    what isps are doing this? i'm on a major one and my friend is on
    another major one and we both have no problems.

    Comcast - they block port 25 inbound.

    I also had the same problem when I used Comcast. I found an SMTP port redirection service that I used for my BBS email when I used Comcast, since they blocked port 25.

    I've been using Frontier for the past several years, and they don't seem to block port 25.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, August 05, 2019 17:53:00
    On 08-04-19 19:46, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-

    A lot depends on the quality of the encoder. Not all 128kbps MP3s are equal! Those older 128kbps MP3s sounded pretty bad actually. And then
    VBR made things better, but then CBR encoders got better and VBR wasn't really worth the backwards compatibility issues. So... these aren't
    your dad's MP3s you're hearing today (unless they were *encoded* in the 90's, of course)!

    Some of the "worst" MP3s I have heard were VBR. In my case, it's possible that my auditory processing is different enough to the assumptions the codec uses to throw away information. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, August 05, 2019 17:53:00
    On 08-04-19 19:35, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Yeah, there are many CD albums where the source material is a tape.
    For some of those CDs, I can hear tape hiss on the CD - Dire Straits' first album is one example of that for me. I notice the hiss in the
    quiet parts of the songs (i..e, at the fade-ins and fade-outs at the beginnings & ends of the songs).

    Yes, I've heard tape hiss on CDs as well, but that's an aside from the original discussion. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 06, 2019 06:45:00
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Comcast - they block port 25 inbound.

    I also had the same problem when I used Comcast. I found an SMTP port redirection service that I used for my BBS email when I used Comcast, since they blocked port 25.

    I've been a big fan of DNSexit. They're pricey at $24.99 a year, but they provide primary MX for realitycheckbbs.org, and answer on an alternate port. They also provide DNS for my domain, and have a full range of other services aligned with web hosting.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, August 07, 2019 16:11:43
    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Aug 06 2019 06:45 am

    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Comcast - they block port 25 inbound.

    I also had the same problem when I used Comcast. I found an SMTP port redirection service that I used for my BBS email when I used Comcast, since they blocked port 25.

    I've been a big fan of DNSexit. They're pricey at $24.99 a year, but they provide primary MX for realitycheckbbs.org, and answer on an alternate port. They also provide DNS for my domain, and have a full range of other services

    thats .48 a week. that's not pricey
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  • From Tracker1@VERT to The Millionaire on Friday, August 09, 2019 13:55:58
    well cnn is democrat and they're not saying it.

    CNN and MSNBC are probably the two bigger news outlets that are more biased than even Fox news at this point. Not that I like any of the extremism, the left is off the map, the right has tightened up. The bigger difference is
    the right calls out and distances themselves from the extremists, and the
    left typically doubles down.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, August 09, 2019 15:05:43
    I love how he has put tarrifs on China, which produces parts included
    in almost everything we buy, which should increase prices for a lot of goods..

    That's great. Thanks, Trump. (thumbs-up)

    Given a *LOT* of trade disputes, undercutting and selling below cost that
    China has done over the years a trade war was pretty much inevitable. It's going to be painful for a few years, but a lot of what we bring in from China at this point shipping + labor isn't far of of automation on-shore. It's mostly been entropy keeping things as they are and a lot of this will shift over time. Some of it has shifted towards Africa at this point.

    In the end, crap happens.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Tracker1 on Friday, August 09, 2019 18:45:46
    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Aug 09 2019 03:05 pm

    I love how he has put tarrifs on China, which produces parts included
    in almost everything we buy, which should increase prices for a lot of
    goods..

    That's great. Thanks, Trump. (thumbs-up)

    Given a *LOT* of trade disputes, undercutting and selling below cost that China has done over the years a trade war was pretty much inevitable. It's going to be painful for a few years, but a lot of what we bring in from

    Wow. I didn't know Synchronet was that deep into politics.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Friday, August 09, 2019 17:13:28
    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: HusTler to Tracker1 on Fri Aug 09 2019 06:45 pm

    Given a *LOT* of trade disputes, undercutting and selling below cost
    that China has done over the years a trade war was pretty much
    inevitable. It's going to be painful for a few years, but a lot of
    what we bring in from

    Wow. I didn't know Synchronet was that deep into politics.

    Sometimes threads drift to other subjects.

    Nightfox

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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 23:09:17
    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 04 2019 07:37 pm

    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Aug 04 2019 12:05 am

    what isps are doing this? i'm on a major one and my friend is on
    another major one and we both have no problems.

    Comcast - they block port 25 inbound.
    I also had the same problem when I used Comcast. I found an SMTP port redirection service that I used for my BBS email when I used Comcast, since they blocked port 25.
    I've been using Frontier for the past several years, and they don't seem to block port 25.

    I am also useing Comcast and they do block port 80 , and 25 and a few others they are vary testy when it comes to running a private server from home. I used to be able relay though comcast a few years ago but they don't even allow that anymore. At this time vert has been nice enough to relay mail for me.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Brokenmind on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 23:48:28
    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Brokenmind to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 11:09 pm

    I am also useing Comcast and they do block port 80 , and 25 and a few others they are vary testy when it comes to running a private server from home. I used to be able relay though comcast a few years ago but they don't even allow that anymore. At this time vert has been nice enough to relay mail for me.


    Uhmmmm, I use comcast they do block port 25 but not 80

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Denn on Thursday, August 29, 2019 06:08:00
    Denn wrote to Brokenmind <=-


    Uhmmmm, I use comcast they do block port 25 but not 80

    Same here. I use DNSexit for DNS and mail forwarding, so mail goes there first, then I reach out on an alternate port to them.


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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Denn on Friday, February 03, 2023 11:17:12
    Re: Re: ISP Port Blocking
    By: Denn to Brokenmind on Wed Aug 28 2019 11:48 pm

    Uhmmmm, I use comcast they do block port 25 but not 80

    Ya they still block port 80 and 25 unless you have a bussiness account unless you found a loop hole or it's just were your at. I have to use 8080 and i also use verts mail relay to have netmail access for The Insane Asylum BBs. Thanks again to Rob for having that!

    BrokenMind

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