• Webv4

    From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to All on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 16:33:46
    What directory do I put background images in to use on the website?? sbbs/webv4/???? I created a custom.css in sbbs/webv4/root/css. Is this the right tag if the name of the background is "background.jpg"??

    body {
    background: url(background.jpg);
    }

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to HusTler on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 17:47:11
    Re: Webv4
    By: HusTler to All on Tue May 28 2019 16:33:46

    What directory do I put background images in to use on the website?? sbbs/webv4/???? I created a custom.css in sbbs/webv4/root/css. Is this the

    Anywhere you like, as long as it's publically accessible (the browser needs to be able to source the image from there). I'll suggest:

    sbbs/webv4/root/images/

    body {
    background: url(background.jpg);
    }

    I believe the URL needs to be quoted. If you create an "images" directory and put "background.jpg" there:

    background: url("/images/background.jpg");

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to HusTler on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 00:00:23
    Re: Webv4
    By: HusTler to All on Tue May 28 2019 04:33 pm

    What directory do I put background images in to use on the website?? sbbs/webv4/???? I created a custom.css in sbbs/webv4/root/css. Is this the right tag if the name of the background is "background.jpg"??

    I actually made a tutorial on this on outwestbbs.com bulletin 7 ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Ok here is how to mod your webv4 in synchronet 3.17 in your sbbs\webv4\root\css directory open or create a file called custom.css in plain text format.

    if you just want to change the background color put this line in your custom.css

    body {
    background-color: black;
    }

    you can change black to any html color green, red, blue, yellow etc..
    or you can use a HEX color ie.. #1e88e5 #00c853 #546e7a
    here is a good website to find HEX colors https://htmlcolors.com/

    or you can add a background picture as well below is an example

    body {
    background-image: url("http://yourbbs.com/pics/background.jpg");
    }

    in sbbs\webv4\root create a folder any name you want to store your backgrounds. example sbbs\webv4\root\pics


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Denn on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:02:23
    Re: Webv4
    By: Denn to HusTler on Wed May 29 2019 12:00 am

    Re: Webv4
    By: HusTler to All on Tue May 28 2019 16:33:46

    What directory do I put background images in to use on the website?? sbbs/webv4/???? I created a custom.css in sbbs/webv4/root/css. Is this

    Anywhere you like, as long as it's publically accessible (the browser needs be able to source the image from there). I'll suggest:

    sbbs/webv4/root/images/

    body {
    background: url(background.jpg);
    }

    I believe the URL needs to be quoted. If you create an "images" directory a put "background.jpg" there:

    background: url("/images/background.jpg");

    Thanks for the Tutorial.

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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Echicken on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 20:23:34
    *** respondiendo un mensaje puesto en el área personal (personal).

    Hola Echicken!

    14 Jul 20 14:21, Mortifis escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    I also like more webv4 but with it I have not been able to put it in
    LATIN-1. Here in Spain we use LATIN-1, which is ISO8859-1 (or -15). That
    makes the tildes, e˝es and umlauts come out well for all users in Spain. On
    the other hand, the Runemaster website has been able to make the tildes,
    e˝es and umlauts come out well.

    If you know how to put webv4 in iso8859-1 I will be very grateful :)

    Thank you again

    you're welcome, echicken may be able to help you with that better than, webv* is his baby :)

    Echicken, can you help me on this? I would be very grateful :)

    Thanks in advance

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Angel Ripoll on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 22:49:33
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Echicken on Tue Jul 14 2020 20:23:34

    I also like more webv4 but with it I have not been able to put it in
    LATIN-1. Here in Spain we use LATIN-1, which is ISO8859-1 (or -15). That
    makes the tildes, e˝es and umlauts come out well for all users in Spain. On

    Echicken, can you help me on this? I would be very grateful :)

    webv4 doesn't tell the browser to use any particular encoding as far as I know.

    You could try adding this near the top of webv4/root/index.xjs, just after all of the 'load()' statements:

    http_reply.header['charset'] = 'iso-8859-1';

    If that doesn't work, you could try adding this, further down in the same file, inside the <head> element:

    <meta charset="ISO-8859-1">

    Let me know if one or both of those works for you, and I can add it as a configurable option.

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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Echicken on Thursday, July 16, 2020 00:45:44
    Hola Echicken!

    14 Jul 20 22:49, echicken escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    http_reply.header['charset'] = 'iso-8859-1';

    If that doesn't work, you could try adding this, further down in the same file, inside the <head> element:

    <meta charset="ISO-8859-1">

    Let me know if one or both of those works for you, and I can add it as a configurable option.

    Neither has worked.

    The message come out with the Kudge CHRS: UTF-8 4. In golded, which does not have support for UTF-8, they are not seen correctly. If they come out with CHRS: CP437 2 (which is what happened with the old web) it seems that if the tildes and others are seen well, but with UTF-8 no. It must be sbbsecho who puts the kludges.

    I wish there was a field to choose the charset for each message area or each group of message areas even if only sbbsecho used to import/export messages. Maybe in the new versions :). I don't know how difficult that would be.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
    aripoll @ zruspas.org

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Angel Ripoll on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 22:32:06
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Echicken on Thu Jul 16 2020 00:45:44

    The message come out with the Kudge CHRS: UTF-8 4. In golded, which does not have support for UTF-8,
    they are not seen correctly. If they come out with CHRS: CP437 2 (which is what happened with the
    old web) it seems that if the tildes and others are seen well, but with UTF-8 no. It must be
    sbbsecho who puts the kludges.

    I might have misunderstood the problem that you're describing.

    Are you saying that messages *posted* from webv4 aren't being displayed properly elsewhere?

    Or are you having trouble *viewing* messages in webv4?

    If the problem is with messages *posted* via webv4, you can try searching for "UTF-8 4" in webv4/lib/forum.js. You should find it twice in that file, and you could try replacing both with "CP437 2" or whatever value you think will work.

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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Echicken on Thursday, July 16, 2020 13:33:18
    Hola Echicken!

    15 Jul 20 22:32, echicken escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    I might have misunderstood the problem that you're describing.

    Are you saying that messages *posted* from webv4 aren't being displayed properly elsewhere?

    Or are you having trouble *viewing* messages in webv4?

    I speak of the first, but the second also occurs.

    If the problem is with messages *posted* via webv4, you can try searching for "UTF-8 4" in webv4/lib/forum.js. You should find it twice in that file, and you could try replacing both with "CP437 2" or whatever value you think will work.

    Tried. It does not work.

    I tell you what I see happening. I put CP437 or ISO-8859-1 in root / index.xjs, in the two sites you told me about. And I put the same in lib / forum.js. The web, when I write, detects that it is CP437, but when I write ticked aeiou, in lowercase and uppercase, as well as the u with umlaut and e˝e, the PKT that it generates comes out with the kudge "CHSR: CP437 2" but the vowels come out in UTF-8 (the ticked a comes out as C3 A1 in Hex, the ticked e comes out as C3 A9, etc).

    Viewing the message from the web, as soon as I write it it looks bad. When I change my firefox encoding to UTF-8 they look perfect.

    I hope I have explained myself well. My English is not good and I use the google translator to help me, which is not perfect

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
    aripoll @ zruspas.org

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Angel Ripoll on Thursday, July 16, 2020 07:57:27
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Echicken on Thu Jul 16 2020 00:45:44


    I wish there was a field to choose the charset for each message area
    or each group of message areas even if only sbbsecho used to
    import/export messages. Maybe in the new versions :). I don't know
    how difficult that would be.

    each message area has a toggle to detect UTF-8 or not... perhaps that's what you're looking for? i think you'll have to set it for each area because it is not copied from the template area...


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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Rampage on Thursday, July 16, 2020 17:24:32
    Hola Rampage!

    16 Jul 20 07:57, Rampage escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    I wish there was a field to choose the charset for each message area
    or each group of message areas even if only sbbsecho used to
    import/export messages. Maybe in the new versions :). I don't know
    how difficult that would be.

    each message area has a toggle to detect UTF-8 or not... perhaps that's what you're looking for? i think you'll have to set it for each area because it is not copied from the template area...

    I just tried and nothing. Still the same. It was disabled, I have enabled it and the same result.

    It is not exactly what I am looking for. What I would like, I don't know how difficult it would be to implement, is that each area or each group of areas had a field in which to choose the character encoding.

    The ideal would be for Golded, the most widely used fido reading and writing program in Europe, to have full UTF-8 support. UTF-8 is the best encoding and valid for all languages.

    But that's not going to happen because it's not updating or at least I haven't seen updates for years

    Thanks :)

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
    aripoll @ zruspas.org

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angel Ripoll on Thursday, July 16, 2020 21:26:32
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Echicken on Thu Jul 16 2020 01:33 pm

    Hola Echicken!

    15 Jul 20 22:32, echicken escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    I might have misunderstood the problem that you're describing.

    Are you saying that messages *posted* from webv4 aren't being displayed properly elsewhere?

    Or are you having trouble *viewing* messages in webv4?

    I speak of the first, but the second also occurs.

    If the problem is with messages *posted* via webv4, you can try searching for "UTF-8 4" in webv4/lib/forum.js. You should find it twice in that file, and you could try replacing both with "CP437 2" or whatever value you think will work.

    Tried. It does not work.

    I tell you what I see happening. I put CP437 or ISO-8859-1 in root / index.xjs, in the two sites you told me about. And I put the same in lib / forum.js. The web, when I write, detects that it is CP437, but when I write ticked aeiou, in lowercase and uppercase, as well as the u with umlaut and e˝e, the PKT that it generates comes out with the kudge "CHSR: CP437 2" but the vowels come out in UTF-8 (the ticked a comes out as C3 A1 in Hex, the ticked e comes out as C3 A9, etc).

    The Synchronet message base (and related programs, including SBBSecho) only support 3 character sets/encodings:
    - US-ASCII
    - CP437
    - UTF-8

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angel Ripoll on Thursday, July 16, 2020 21:32:49
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Rampage on Thu Jul 16 2020 05:24 pm

    Hola Rampage!

    16 Jul 20 07:57, Rampage escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    I wish there was a field to choose the charset for each message area
    or each group of message areas even if only sbbsecho used to
    import/export messages. Maybe in the new versions :). I don't know
    how difficult that would be.

    each message area has a toggle to detect UTF-8 or not... perhaps that's what you're looking for? i think you'll have to set it for each area because it is not copied from the template area...

    I just tried and nothing. Still the same. It was disabled, I have enabled it and the same result.

    It is not exactly what I am looking for. What I would like, I don't know how difficult it would be to implement, is that each area or each group of areas had a field in which to choose the character encoding.

    That's not practical. Not every message posted in a message group would be assured to use the same character set/encoding. If I login to your BBS with a CP437 terminal (i.e. most BBS terminals), it's impossible for me to post a message in CP870 or CP866 or even UTF-8. The character set and encoding of the characters in a stored message is partly a function of the terminal in use at the time of the message writing.

    And similarly, when viewing messages, you can't change the terminal to magically support CP870 just because the user switch from a CP437 message group to a CP870 message group. Terminals don't work that way. The only solution is to use UTF-8.

    The ideal would be for Golded, the most widely used fido reading and writing program in Europe, to have full UTF-8 support. UTF-8 is the best encoding and valid for all languages.

    But that's not going to happen because it's not updating or at least I haven't seen updates for years

    It's open source. Update it or find some other interested user-developers to update it. It can be done.


    digital man

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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Digital Man on Friday, July 17, 2020 17:32:20
    Hola Digital!

    16 Jul 20 21:26, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    The Synchronet message base (and related programs, including SBBSecho) only support 3 character sets/encodings: - US-ASCII - CP437 - UTF-8

    Is it very difficult to also support Latin-1 (Latin-9) and CP866 for Russia and Ukraine? I'm not a programmer, so I don't know how difficult it can be.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Digital Man on Friday, July 17, 2020 17:38:32
    Hola Digital!

    16 Jul 20 21:32, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    That's not practical. Not every message posted in a message group would be assured to use the same character set/encoding. If I login to your BBS with a CP437 terminal (i.e. most BBS terminals), it's impossible for me to post a message in CP870 or CP866 or even UTF-8. The character set and encoding of the characters in a stored message is partly a function of the terminal in use at the time of the message writing.

    I get it. Although I use the Mate terminal in linux and if it allows me to choose the charset I want, i understand that many terminals do not give that option.

    And similarly, when viewing messages, you can't change the terminal to magically support CP870 just because the user switch from a CP437 message group to a CP870 message group. Terminals don't work that way. The only solution is to use UTF-8.

    I know, UTF-8 is the best solution. I don't dispute that. But now it is not my choice because I am not a programmer and I cannot give golded UTF-8 support. I would like to.

    The ideal would be for Golded, the most widely used fido reading and
    writing program in Europe, to have full UTF-8 support. UTF-8 is the best
    encoding and valid for all languages.

    But that's not going to happen because it's not updating or at least I
    haven't seen updates for years

    It's open source. Update it or find some other interested user-developers to update it. It can be done.

    I know it's open source. I asked a few months ago if full support for utf-8 was planned and the answer was a resounding no

    I'd like to do it myself, but I wouldn't even know how to start.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
    aripoll @ zruspas.org

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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Echicken on Saturday, July 18, 2020 00:41:34
    Hola Echicken!

    15 Jul 20 22:32, echicken escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    I might have misunderstood the problem that you're describing.

    Are you saying that messages *posted* from webv4 aren't being displayed properly elsewhere?

    Or are you having trouble *viewing* messages in webv4?

    I am doing more tests.

    I write a message with the vowels marked in upper and lower case, as well as the e˝e, umlauts and the euro symbol from the web, from the BBS by telnet and from golded using that golded can directly read the synchronet configuration.

    For telnet I use the debian MATE terminal, which allows me to choose the charset and for golded I use it in the same terminal. At this terminals I choose iso-8859-15.

    From the BBS and from golded the characters come out well. The PKT that synchronet generates is not generated in UTF-8, but it is in iso-8859-15 like the terminal.

    On the other hand, when I do it from the web it is not like that. The test that I have done is to read the message that I have written in the BBS from the terminal that goes well. I go to the web, read it and chrome detects iso8859-15 and read it well. I reply to that message and it seems like I write it well, but when I save it, it looks bad. I change the encoding of the page to UTF-8 and it reads perfect while the original message misread. I see the PKT that will have that answer and i see that it is in UTF-8.

    That is, according to these tests, if I write directly to the BBS by telnet or directly in the golded area, it works, but if I do it on the web, somehow, when it reaches the message area, it does it in UTF- 8.

    I hope I have explained myself well.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angel Ripoll on Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:56:44
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Fri Jul 17 2020 05:32 pm

    Hola Digital!

    16 Jul 20 21:26, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    The Synchronet message base (and related programs, including SBBSecho) only support 3 character sets/encodings: - US-ASCII - CP437 - UTF-8

    Is it very difficult to also support Latin-1 (Latin-9) and CP866 for Russia and Ukraine? I'm not a programmer, so I don't know how difficult it can be.

    It's non-trivial, but possible. I posted this earlier this year in respond to Eugene Subbotin's inquiry about CP866 support and received no reply:

    Putty can. If CP866 support will be added into Synchronet on same conditions as CP437 I will became the beta-tester of this feature (and can spread wide this in Russia and Ukraine)

    I'm interested in doing this and would need an active participant/user (like yourself). But you're writing your messages using GoldEd, which seems to imply that you're not even running Synchronet or not using it for reading/writing messages?

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angel Ripoll on Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:04:55
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Fri Jul 17 2020 05:38 pm

    Hola Digital!

    16 Jul 20 21:32, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    That's not practical. Not every message posted in a message group would be assured to use the same character set/encoding. If I login to your BBS with a CP437 terminal (i.e. most BBS terminals), it's impossible for me to post a message in CP870 or CP866 or even UTF-8. The character set and encoding of the characters in a stored message is partly a function of the terminal in use at the time of the message writing.

    I get it. Although I use the Mate terminal in linux and if it allows me to choose the charset I want, i understand that many terminals do not give that option.

    Sure, but your terminal can't dynamically switch which codepage/charset it's expecting depending on what message area you happen to be viewing. It doesn't work that way. With codepages, modal: it's all or nothing. With UTF-8, you get all the possible glyphs/characters displayable in a single mode (no codepage switch necessary).

    And similarly, when viewing messages, you can't change the terminal to magically support CP870 just because the user switch from a CP437 message group to a CP870 message group. Terminals don't work that way. The only solution is to use UTF-8.

    I know, UTF-8 is the best solution. I don't dispute that. But now it is not my choice because I am not a programmer and I cannot give golded UTF-8 support. I would like to.

    The challenges with supporting multiple character sets/encodings is every program has to account for:
    1. the current user's charset (when viewing or writing content)
    2. the original user's charset (when viewing content written by that user)

    And then translate between them (dynamically) to hopefully make the content as portable/understandable as possible.

    Simple "tagging" content (messages) as being of some special arbitrary charset (not UTF-8) is not nearly enough. All the programs that display or modify that content then need to recoginize that special charset and handle the translations as appropriate, dynamically.

    The ideal would be for Golded, the most widely used fido reading and
    writing program in Europe, to have full UTF-8 support. UTF-8 is the best
    encoding and valid for all languages.

    But that's not going to happen because it's not updating or at least I
    haven't seen updates for years

    It's open source. Update it or find some other interested user-developers to update it. It can be done.

    I know it's open source. I asked a few months ago if full support for utf-8 was planned and the answer was a resounding no

    I'd like to do it myself, but I wouldn't even know how to start.

    Then use a different program?

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angel Ripoll on Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:14:25
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Echicken on Sat Jul 18 2020 12:41 am

    Hola Echicken!

    15 Jul 20 22:32, echicken escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    I might have misunderstood the problem that you're describing.

    Are you saying that messages *posted* from webv4 aren't being displayed properly elsewhere?

    Or are you having trouble *viewing* messages in webv4?

    I am doing more tests.

    I write a message with the vowels marked in upper and lower case, as well as the e˝e, umlauts and the euro symbol from the web, from the BBS by telnet and from golded using that golded can directly read the synchronet configuration.

    For telnet I use the debian MATE terminal, which allows me to choose the charset and for golded I use it in the same terminal. At this terminals I choose iso-8859-15.

    From the BBS and from golded the characters come out well. The PKT that synchronet generates is not generated in UTF-8, but it is in iso-8859-15 like the terminal.

    And that is all incorrect. If another user logins into your BBS and reads those messages using a common BBS terminal that assumes CP437 charset, those special characters are not going to be displayed to them as intended.

    It's only "working" for you because you're both creating and viewing the content in your specially-configured environment. Unless every consumer (viewer) of your content (messages) is using the same specially-configured environment, they're not going to see those characters in the way you intended. If those messages go out to a message network (FidoNet), the problem will be especially obvious. The easiest solution is to use UTF-8.

    On the other hand, when I do it from the web it is not like that. The test that I have done is to read the message that I have written in the BBS from the terminal that goes well. I go to the web, read it and chrome detects iso8859-15 and read it well. I reply to that message and it seems like I write it well, but when I save it, it looks bad. I change the encoding of the page to UTF-8 and it reads perfect while the original message misread. I see the PKT that will have that answer and i see that it is in UTF-8.

    Because the BBS, including the web interface, is not going to recoginize your special characters as being iso8859-15. It only supports the charsets I already listed (US-ASCII, CP437, and UTF-8).

    That is, according to these tests, if I write directly to the BBS by telnet or directly in the golded area, it works, but if I do it on the web, somehow, when it reaches the message area, it does it in UTF- 8.

    As I would expect.

    digital man

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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, July 19, 2020 18:32:46
    Hola Digital!

    18 Jul 20 11:56, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    Putty can. If CP866 support will be added into Synchronet on same
    conditions as CP437 I will became the beta-tester of this feature (and can
    spread wide this in Russia and Ukraine)

    I'm interested in doing this and would need an active participant/user (like yourself). But you're writing your messages using GoldEd, which seems to imply that you're not even running Synchronet or not using it for reading/writing messages?

    My BBS with synchronet is operational 24x7 in bbs.zruspas.org

    I have two fidonet nodes. 2:341/66 is on Binkd + HPT + Golded and 2:341/200 is on Synchronet.

    I usually read netmails/echoamils from golded in 2:341/66, but I can test from one or the other or from one to the other.

    I can be a beta tester if that's what you need.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, July 19, 2020 19:25:14
    Hola Digital!

    18 Jul 20 12:04, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    Sure, but your terminal can't dynamically switch which codepage/charset it's expecting depending on what message area you happen to be viewing. It doesn't work that way. With codepages, modal: it's all or nothing. With UTF-8, you get all the possible glyphs/characters displayable in a single mode (no codepage switch necessary).

    It is understood

    Simple "tagging" content (messages) as being of some special arbitrary charset (not UTF-8) is not nearly enough. All the programs that display or modify that content then need to recoginize that special charset and handle the translations as appropriate, dynamically.

    Ok.

    I'd like to do it myself, but I wouldn't even know how to start.

    Then use a different program?

    I have not found any such program for linux that reads JAM message base and has full UTF-8 support. If you know it or someone knows it, it would be great.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, July 19, 2020 18:52:46
    Hola Digital!

    18 Jul 20 12:14, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    And that is all incorrect. If another user logins into your BBS and reads those messages using a common BBS terminal that assumes CP437 charset, those special characters are not going to be displayed to them as intended.

    Ok.

    When do we start testing? :)

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angel Ripoll on Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:54:31
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Sun Jul 19 2020 06:32 pm

    Hola Digital!

    18 Jul 20 11:56, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    Putty can. If CP866 support will be added into Synchronet on same
    conditions as CP437 I will became the beta-tester of this feature (and can
    spread wide this in Russia and Ukraine)

    I'm interested in doing this and would need an active participant/user (like yourself). But you're writing your messages using GoldEd, which seems to imply that you're not even running Synchronet or not using it for reading/writing messages?

    My BBS with synchronet is operational 24x7 in bbs.zruspas.org

    I have two fidonet nodes. 2:341/66 is on Binkd + HPT + Golded and 2:341/200 is on Synchronet.

    I usually read netmails/echoamils from golded in 2:341/66, but I can test from one or the other or from one to the other.

    I can be a beta tester if that's what you need.

    Are you interested in testing CP866 (Cyrillic) or some other character set?

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angel Ripoll on Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:55:15
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Sun Jul 19 2020 07:25 pm

    I have not found any such program for linux that reads JAM message base and has full UTF-8 support. If you know it or someone knows it, it would be great.

    What's a JAM message base got to do with anything?

    digital man

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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, July 20, 2020 00:48:10
    Hola Digital!

    19 Jul 20 11:54, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    Are you interested in testing CP866 (Cyrillic) or some other character set?

    ISO-8859-15 (Latin9) or ISO8859-1 (Latin1).

    CP866 wouldn't even know to read it.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
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  • From Angel Ripoll@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, July 20, 2020 00:49:54
    Hola Digital!

    19 Jul 20 11:55, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    What's a JAM message base got to do with anything?

    As I have explained before, I have two fidonet nodes. The main node 2:341/66 is the one where I have Golded + HPT + Binkd and it is the one from which i receive and distribute fidonet (echos a files) to other nodes and points. I have been with this node since 1994. The message base that I have always used is JAM. It is the one that used the fastecho with DOS and OS/2 in my early days and, when i switched to Linux, i started using HPT which also supports JAM.

    Node 2:341/200 is where i have the BBS with Synchronet and fidonet.

    I have had multiple times BBS. I started in 93 with WWIV (a friend of mine started it), switched to RemoteAccess and then to EleBBS. After a long time without BBS until I discovered Synchronet. I had previous versions but i lost it in a crash. Now, with the confinement here in Spain, I have reassembled the BBS from scratch. I think it's very good software, but I still don't control it. I'm newbie with Synchronet.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
    aripoll @ zruspas.org

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angel Ripoll on Sunday, July 19, 2020 20:45:38
    Re: Webv4
    By: Angel Ripoll to Digital Man on Mon Jul 20 2020 12:48 am

    Hola Digital!

    19 Jul 20 11:54, Digital Man escribió a Angel Ripoll:

    Are you interested in testing CP866 (Cyrillic) or some other character set?

    ISO-8859-15 (Latin9) or ISO8859-1 (Latin1).

    CP866 wouldn't even know to read it.

    Okay. The original offer to develop/debug was for CP866 support. I'll look at the Latin charset stuff.

    digital man

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to eChicken on Tuesday, February 09, 2021 17:38:47
    WOW, mat hat goes off to you and MLong for the Dark Mode option on webv4. That is a sweet deal, many thanks.

    I am curious however, is there a way to make the dark mode default, and let the user switch it to light mode if wanted. That would be more in line with my system.

    Again, thanks for the great work to both of you.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to DesotoFireflite on Tuesday, February 09, 2021 23:58:51
    Re: Webv4
    By: DesotoFireflite to eChicken on Tue Feb 09 2021 17:38:47

    WOW, mat hat goes off to you and MLong for the Dark Mode option on webv4.

    I had little to do with it, just gave some feedback.

    I am curious however, is there a way to make the dark mode default, and let the user switch it to light mode if wanted. That would be more in line

    Not at the moment, but I'll add that as a config option; should be pretty simple.

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to echicken on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 06:12:33
    Re: Webv4
    By: echicken to DesotoFireflite on Tue Feb 09 2021 11:58 pm

    I am curious however, is there a way to make the dark mode default,
    and let the user switch it to light mode if wanted. That would be
    more in line

    Not at the moment, but I'll add that as a config option; should be pretty simple.

    Thanks, as always

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  • From Dave L@VERT to All on Friday, March 05, 2021 20:49:12
    I have noticed on some of the websites using webv4 some of them have a switch from light to dark was wondering how do you get that??
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Dave L on Friday, March 05, 2021 22:58:49
    I have noticed on some of the websites using webv4 some of them have a switch from light to dark was wondering how do you get that??

    That was a recently added feature of webv4. You could update your webv4 install if you want to go that route.

    https://github.com/echicken/synchronet-web-v4

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dave L@VERT to Al on Saturday, March 06, 2021 13:14:39
    Re: Re: Webv4
    By: Al to Dave L on Fri Mar 05 2021 10:58 pm

    That was a recently added feature of webv4. You could update your webv4 install if you want to go that route. https://github.com/echicken/synchronet-web-v4
    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    Thanks I tried the files and still not working don't see the switch

    Dave
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  • From Dave L@VERT to All on Saturday, March 06, 2021 20:08:20
    ok so got the switch for light to dark now having problem with fTelnet it showing up small on the page
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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Dave L on Sunday, March 07, 2021 14:35:09
    Re: Webv4
    By: Dave L to All on Sat Mar 06 2021 20:08:20

    ok so got the switch for light to dark now having problem with fTelnet it showing up small on the page

    If this is your site:

    http://canadianrebel.sytes.net:90/

    it looks fine to me. fTelnet is the correct size.

    If you're still having a problem, maybe post a screenshot somewhere so I can see what you're seeing - and let me know which browser & OS you're viewing it from.

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/MUSEUM to Dave L on Sunday, March 07, 2021 12:19:56
    ok so got the switch for light to dark now having problem with fTelnet it showing up small on the page
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    http://canadianrebel.sytes.net:90/ Looks good to me :-)

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/MUSEUM to Dave L on Sunday, March 07, 2021 12:29:36
    ok so got the switch for light to dark now having problem with fTelnet it showing up small on the page

    Nice site, btw, especially like Canadian Rebel Internet Radio page, blows my alleycat radio away :-)

    I tried to send you an 'Email the SysOP' from your Ftelnet Login Matrix, but I was informed that I 'have sent too many emails today' :(

    ~mortifis

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Dave L on Sunday, March 07, 2021 10:51:02
    Re: Webv4
    By: Dave L to All on Sat Mar 06 2021 08:08 pm

    ok so got the switch for light to dark now having problem with fTelnet it showing up small on the page

    If you change /sbbs/ctrl/modopts.ini under the [Web] option, it will show
    up larger on some web browsers. Below is the option.

    ; Make the page consume the entire width of the browser window
    layout_full_width=true

    I just checked your website, and it looks fine to me in Microsoft Edge, but if you enable the option, it will utilize the complete on some browsers, which in turn may make the ftelnet window larger.

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  • From Dave L@VERT to echicken on Sunday, March 07, 2021 07:52:55
    Re: Webv4
    By: Dave L to All on Sat Mar 06 2021 20:08:20

    If this is your site:

    http://canadianrebel.sytes.net:90/

    it looks fine to me. fTelnet is the correct size.

    If you're still having a problem, maybe post a screenshot somewhere so I can see what you're seeing - and let me know which browser & OS you're viewing it from.

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    Yeah we fixed it thanks :)
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dave L on Sunday, March 07, 2021 14:44:56
    Re: Webv4
    By: Dave L to echicken on Sun Mar 07 2021 07:52 am


    If you're still having a problem, maybe post a screenshot somewhere so I can see what you're seeing - and let me know which browser & OS you're viewing it from.

    Yeah we fixed it thanks :)


    who is we
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dave L on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:49:53
    On 3/5/2021 9:49 PM, Dave L wrote:
    I have noticed on some of the websites using webv4 some of
    them have a switch from light to dark was wondering how do
    you get that??

    You just need the latest webv4 site code, you can snag it from gitlab.synchro.net ... you may also need a more recent version of
    other synchronet libraries, also on gitlab.

    Because of how I have my website(s) setup, I need to make a minor
    set of changes for the wss host each time I update it.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dave L on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 14:53:17
    On 3/6/2021 2:14 PM, Dave L wrote:
    https://github.com/echicken/synchronet-web-v4

    Thanks I tried the files and still not working don't see the switch

    Delete *.xjs.ssjs
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  • From Samcrow@VERT/CANADIAN to Mortifis on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 17:18:50
    Re: Re: Webv4
    By: Mortifis to Dave L on Sun Mar 07 2021 12:29 pm

    Nice site, btw, especially like Canadian Rebel Internet Radio page, blows my alleycat radio away :-)
    I tried to send you an 'Email the SysOP' from your Ftelnet Login Matrix, but I was informed that I 'have sent too many emails today' :(
    ~mortifis

    Thanks sorry didn't get to read this till now been busy working on the webpage lol

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  • From Samcrow@VERT/CANADIAN to MRO on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 17:21:11
    Re: Webv4
    By: MRO to Dave L on Sun Mar 07 2021 02:44 pm

    who is we

    My co-sysop

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to eChicken on Thursday, June 02, 2022 16:00:02
    Quick question, in the pages webctrl.ini file, how can I make all files visable, but only level 50 and above be able to download. I've got it set that way on the bbs, and I'd like to follow suite on the web page. Thanks in advance.

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