• Syncterm / OSX

    From Frank Linhares@VERT to All on Friday, May 24, 2019 23:08:56
    Has anyone been able to successfully get the latest cvs code of Syncterm to
    run on OSX?

    I can get it to compile just fine but the second it starts, it crashes.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Friday, May 24, 2019 20:44:09
    Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to All on Fri May 24 2019 11:08 pm

    Has anyone been able to successfully get the latest cvs code of Syncterm to run on OSX?

    I can get it to compile just fine but the second it starts, it crashes.

    I just recently got a hand-me-down MacBook, so I'll be playing with it soon. You can nudge/remind me if you don't see any activity (e.g. in CVS) soon. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Frank Linhares@VERT to Digital Man on Saturday, May 25, 2019 01:26:39
    I just recently got a hand-me-down MacBook, so I'll be playing with it soon. You can nudge/remind me if you don't see any activity (e.g. in
    CVS) soon. :-)

    Thanks Rob! You rock.

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  • From Jason@VERT/HDCBBS to Frank Linhares on Sunday, May 26, 2019 00:39:58
    Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to All on Fri May 24 2019 11:08 pm

    Has anyone been able to successfully get the latest cvs code of Syncterm to run on OSX?

    I can get it to compile just fine but the second it starts, it crashes.

    frank!netsurge!demonic
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    So I was having the same issue because i adjusted the screen size by using the window and making the screen larger..

    I don't remember what I did to fix it.. I want to say i edited a file.. Im not around my mac right now but i had to fix the window size and once i did that, it started to work again with no problems.

    Once i get back to my mac, i will try and look up what that problem was and the file i edited to fix it.. I can tell you that it worked after that and i haven't had any trouble since then..

    FYI, this was about a week and a half ago...

    Jason

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  • From Frank Linhares@VERT to Jason on Sunday, May 26, 2019 04:07:05
    So I was having the same issue because i adjusted the screen size by
    using the window and making the screen larger..

    Mine crashes right off the bat, I don't even get to the point of being able
    to adjust the window size.

    I don't remember what I did to fix it.. I want to say i edited a file..
    Im not around my mac right now but i had to fix the window size and once
    i did that, it started to work again with no problems.

    Once i get back to my mac, i will try and look up what that problem was and the file i edited to fix it.. I can tell you that it worked after
    that and i haven't had any trouble since then..

    Let me know what you did so I can see if it addresses the issue I have been having.

    Rob (DM) also said he just got a mac and will be playing around with
    compiling SyncTerm.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Monday, May 27, 2019 00:26:24
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to Jason on Sun May 26 2019 04:07 am

    Rob (DM) also said he just got a mac and will be playing around with compiling SyncTerm.

    Where/how did you get the sdl-1.2-dev prerequisite?

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Monday, May 27, 2019 00:44:32
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Digital Man to Frank Linhares on Mon May 27 2019 12:26 am

    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to Jason on Sun May 26 2019 04:07 am

    Rob (DM) also said he just got a mac and will be playing around with compiling SyncTerm.

    Where/how did you get the sdl-1.2-dev prerequisite?

    I got past that by installing the "Runtime library" package from https://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php (which apparently includes the dev files).

    Working on XQuartz install now.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Monday, May 27, 2019 01:05:29
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Digital Man to Frank Linhares on Mon May 27 2019 12:44 am

    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Digital Man to Frank Linhares on Mon May 27 2019 12:26 am

    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to Jason on Sun May 26 2019 04:07 am

    Rob (DM) also said he just got a mac and will be playing around with compiling SyncTerm.

    Where/how did you get the sdl-1.2-dev prerequisite?

    I got past that by installing the "Runtime library" package from https://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php (which apparently includes the dev files).

    Working on XQuartz install now.

    Okay, I'm posting this from the (my) initial build/run of SyncTERM on Mac OS (10.13.6). It didn't crash, however:

    1. it ran in curses mode since I haven't logged-out/back-in since installing XQuartz (I suspect)

    2. it is not not displaying CP437 chars (displays some other chars, e.g. question-marks)

    3. hitting the Delete key sends a Delete sequence (either 0x7e or an escape sequence) but not Ctrl-H

    4. hitting Ctrl-Q (disconnect) completely terminates the program (seemes like a bug)

    No perceived crashes yet. I'll relogin now and try to run in SDL/X mode and see what happens.

    digital man

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  • From Frank Linhares@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, May 27, 2019 09:58:25
    Where/how did you get the sdl-1.2-dev prerequisite?

    From here: https://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php

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  • From Frank Linhares@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, May 27, 2019 09:59:30
    I got past that by installing the "Runtime library" package from https://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php (which apparently includes the
    dev files).

    I was able to compile it without any errors after satisfying the needed dependences, it's running it that cashes a crash.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Monday, May 27, 2019 16:43:16
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to Digital Man on Mon May 27 2019 09:59 am

    I got past that by installing the "Runtime library" package from https://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php (which apparently includes the dev files).

    I was able to compile it without any errors after satisfying the needed dependences, it's running it that cashes a crash.

    I haven't had a crash, but I haven't been able to get it to run in SDL or X mode either (the pre-built SyncTERM 1.0 runs in SDL mode just fine however).

    Did you install XQuartz or how did you get SDL and X prereq's met?

    digital man

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  • From Frank Linhares@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, May 27, 2019 20:05:06
    Did you install XQuartz or how did you get SDL and X prereq's met?

    I have XQuartz installed. Let me compile it here and I will share the error that I get upon launch.

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  • From Frank Linhares@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, May 27, 2019 20:38:34
    I haven't had a crash, but I haven't been able to get it to run in SDL
    or X mode either (the pre-built SyncTERM 1.0 runs in SDL mode just fine however).

    You can find the dump here: https://pastebin.com/nJM6Ch9k

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Monday, May 27, 2019 20:03:24
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to Digital Man on Mon May 27 2019 08:38 pm

    I haven't had a crash, but I haven't been able to get it to run in SDL or X mode either (the pre-built SyncTERM 1.0 runs in SDL mode just fine however).

    You can find the dump here: https://pastebin.com/nJM6Ch9k

    And how are you running it (from a terminal or ...)?

    Also, have you tried running it with all the different "-i" option values to see if you get different behavior?

    When I try to run it from a terminal (bash) prompt with -i[s|o|x], I get "CIOLIB initialization failed!" - maybe I missed something in the XQuartz installation/setup. <shrug>

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Monday, May 27, 2019 20:27:47
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to Digital Man on Mon May 27 2019 08:38 pm

    I haven't had a crash, but I haven't been able to get it to run in SDL or X mode either (the pre-built SyncTERM 1.0 runs in SDL mode just fine however).

    You can find the dump here: https://pastebin.com/nJM6Ch9k

    It's crashing in nanosleep() which is a standard C library function, so that is odd/unexpected. The call to nanosleep that is crashing is in the Synchronet conio/SDL support (sdl_con.c), so as an experiment, try this:

    Replace the following line in src/conio/sdl_con.c (line 1515):
    SLEEP(1);
    with this:
    usleep(1000);

    Re-build, re-install if necessary (e.g. if you're running it from /usr/local/bin) and see if that makes any difference.

    In the mean-time, I'll keep trying to get my build running in SDL or X modes.

    digital man

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, May 27, 2019 23:39:42
    On Monday May 27, 2019, Digital Man said to Frank Linhares...

    You can find the dump here: https://pastebin.com/nJM6Ch9k

    And how are you running it (from a terminal or ...)?

    Also, have you tried running it with all the different "-i" option
    values to see if you get different behavior?

    When I try to run it from a terminal (bash) prompt with -i[s|o|x], I
    get "CIOLIB initialization failed!" - maybe I missed something in the XQuartz installation/setup. <shrug>

    I tried with all three, -io -is -ix and all of them give me the same crash
    and a "Bus error: 10" on the command line.

    I have tried running it from the command line and via the SyncTerm.App, same diff.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Netsurge on Monday, May 27, 2019 21:16:05
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Netsurge to Digital Man on Mon May 27 2019 11:39 pm


    On Monday May 27, 2019, Digital Man said to Frank Linhares...

    You can find the dump here: https://pastebin.com/nJM6Ch9k

    And how are you running it (from a terminal or ...)?

    Also, have you tried running it with all the different "-i" option values to see if you get different behavior?

    When I try to run it from a terminal (bash) prompt with -i[s|o|x], I get "CIOLIB initialization failed!" - maybe I missed something in the XQuartz installation/setup. <shrug>

    I tried with all three, -io -is -ix and all of them give me the same crash and a "Bus error: 10" on the command line.

    What about the *other* "-i" option values?

    digital man

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Digital Man on Monday, May 27, 2019 23:51:49
    It's crashing in nanosleep() which is a standard C library function, so that is
    odd/unexpected. The call to nanosleep that is crashing is in the Synchronet conio/SDL support (sdl_con.c), so as an experiment, try
    this:

    Replace the following line in src/conio/sdl_con.c (line 1515):
    SLEEP(1); with this:
    usleep(1000);

    Re-build, re-install if necessary (e.g. if you're running it from /usr/local/bin) and see if that makes any difference.

    In the mean-time, I'll keep trying to get my build running in SDL or X modes.

    Tried as you suggested, same issue. Here is the output: https://pastebin.com/gqx314YR

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Netsurge on Monday, May 27, 2019 22:01:15
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Netsurge to Digital Man on Mon May 27 2019 11:51 pm

    It's crashing in nanosleep() which is a standard C library function, so that is
    odd/unexpected. The call to nanosleep that is crashing is in the Synchronet conio/SDL support (sdl_con.c), so as an experiment, try this:

    Replace the following line in src/conio/sdl_con.c (line 1515):
    SLEEP(1); with this:
    usleep(1000);

    Re-build, re-install if necessary (e.g. if you're running it from /usr/local/bin) and see if that makes any difference.

    In the mean-time, I'll keep trying to get my build running in SDL or X modes.

    Tried as you suggested, same issue. Here is the output: https://pastebin.com/gqx314YR

    Ah, I actually misread the crash report before. It's thread 12 that's crashing here:
    Thread 12 Crashed:
    0 libsystem_platform.dylib 0x00007fff7f867969 _platform_bzero$VARIANT$Haswell + 41
    1 syncterm 0x00000001041e986f load_bbslist + 127 (bbslist.c:1502)
    2 syncterm 0x00000001041e9b60 show_bbslist + 576 (bbslist.c:1562)

    (ignore the previous metnion of sdl_con.c)

    So... this is the line in bbslist.c (line 1502:
    memset(list,0,listsize);

    The line looks okay to me (and isn't crashing for anyone else). As an experiment, try commenting-out that one line:
    // memset(list,0,listsize);

    then rebuild and see what happens.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 02:38:42
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Digital Man to Frank Linhares on Mon May 27 2019 08:27 pm

    In the mean-time, I'll keep trying to get my build running in SDL or X modes.

    I got it working SDL mode (X still fails with "CIOLIB initialization failed!") and did observe the same crash in the call to memset() ... sometimes. And commenting out that line can allow it to run more or less, but still crashing in other places seemingly randomly. I suspect there's some stack corruption going on which can manifest in all kinds of different crashes in different places that don't make sense. It'll take some work to find out the root-cause here.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 02:39:48
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Digital Man to Frank Linhares on Tue May 28 2019 02:38 am

    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Digital Man to Frank Linhares on Mon May 27 2019 08:27 pm

    In the mean-time, I'll keep trying to get my build running in SDL or X modes.

    I got it working SDL mode

    I forgot to mention: a *clean* rebuild *after* installing the SDL 1.2 framework is what did the trick.

    digital man

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  • From Frank Linhares@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 12:23:46
    I got it working SDL mode (X still fails with "CIOLIB initialization failed!") and did observe the same crash in the call to memset() ... sometimes. And commenting out that line can allow it to run more or
    less, but still crashing in other places seemingly randomly. I suspect there's some stack corruption going on which can manifest in all kinds
    of different crashes in different places that don't make sense. It'll
    take some work to find out the root-cause here.

    You da man. Thanks Rob.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Frank Linhares on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 14:49:01
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Frank Linhares to Digital Man on Tue May 28 2019 12:23 pm

    I got it working SDL mode (X still fails with "CIOLIB initialization failed!") and did observe the same crash in the call to memset() ... sometimes. And commenting out that line can allow it to run more or less, but still crashing in other places seemingly randomly. I suspect there's some stack corruption going on which can manifest in all kinds of different crashes in different places that don't make sense. It'll take some work to find out the root-cause here.

    You da man. Thanks Rob.

    So you don't get the CIOLIB initialization failed! error when running syncterm with '-iX'?

    digital man

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 19:29:49
    So you don't get the CIOLIB initialization failed! error when running syncterm with '-iX'?

    I do, sorry I should have been clearer. I made the changes to bbslist.c as
    you suggested and now it doesn't crash, but like you said, can't get it
    running on X.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Netsurge on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 18:58:55
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Netsurge to Digital Man on Tue May 28 2019 07:29 pm

    So you don't get the CIOLIB initialization failed! error when running syncterm with '-iX'?

    I do, sorry I should have been clearer. I made the changes to bbslist.c as you suggested and now it doesn't crash, but like you said, can't get it running on X.

    I'm still seeing crashes without that call to memset(), so I don't think the root-problem is actually resolved. You'll likely still see some crashing until we find/fix it.

    digital man

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 22:42:56
    I'm still seeing crashes without that call to memset(), so I don't think the root-problem is actually resolved. You'll likely still see some crashing until we find/fix it.

    First off, thanks for helping with all you do to keep this hobby alive. Secondly, thanks for helping with this specific problem. There are a lot of
    us OS X users, putting time into this only helps to keep/bring people into
    the hobby. My hat is off to you sir.

    I'm here to guinea pig for you.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Netsurge on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 23:06:23
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Netsurge to Digital Man on Tue May 28 2019 10:42 pm

    I'm still seeing crashes without that call to memset(), so I don't think the root-problem is actually resolved. You'll likely still see some crashing until we find/fix it.

    First off, thanks for helping with all you do to keep this hobby alive. Secondly, thanks for helping with this specific problem. There are a lot of us OS X users, putting time into this only helps to keep/bring people into the hobby. My hat is off to you sir.

    I'm here to guinea pig for you.

    Letting me know if/when you see more crashes and providing the crash reports is helpful. If you're familiar with valgrind or other runtime analysis tools, they may help to identify serious issues that could be causing what we're seeing here.

    digital man

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  • From Netsurge@VERT to Digital Man on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 08:49:55
    Letting me know if/when you see more crashes and providing the crash reports is helpful. If you're familiar with valgrind or other runtime analysis tools, they may help to identify serious issues that could be causing what we're seeing here.

    Will do.

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  • From Kirkman@VERT/GUARDIAN to Digital Man on Monday, July 01, 2019 10:04:39
    Re: Re: Syncterm / OSX
    By: Digital Man to Frank Linhares on Mon May 27 2019 04:43 pm

    Did you install XQuartz or how did you get SDL and X prereq's met?

    You should be able to use Homebrew or Macports to install most of the prereqs, IIRC.

    --Josh

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