I am useing windows 10 x64 is there anyway to run BBS doors such as tradewars , lord ect without having a 32bit system. I would
love to install some of the doors I used to run.?

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Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to All on Fri Jan 18 2019 12:21:40

64bit systems can run 32bit apps, as far as I know...

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Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to All on Fri Jan 18 2019 12:21 pm

I am useing windows 10 x64 is there anyway to run BBS doors such as tradewars , lord ect without having a 32bit system. I would
love to install some of the doors I used to run.?

run it on a 32bit vm. or use bbs dosbox.
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Re: BBS Doors
By: Marisag to Bloody Butcher on Fri Jan 18 2019 09:45 am

Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to All on Fri Jan 18 2019 12:21:40

64bit systems can run 32bit apps, as far as I know...

64bit editions of Windows do not include the "NTVDM" virtual DOS machine system for running 16-bit DOS applications.

I would suggest running a 32-bit version of Windows in a VM (and run the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit edition of Windows.

digital man

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Hi Digital Man and All

I would suggest running a 32-bit version of Windows in a VM (and run
the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit edition of Windows.

What is the best VM to use for this.

Thank you

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Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to All on Fri Jan 18 2019 12:21:40

64bit systems can run 32bit apps, as far as I know...

Marisa

That is true, if you have compatibility mode set ... but win64 cannot run 16 bit progs, which most DOS Doors are written in

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I am useing windows 10 x64 is there anyway to run BBS doors such as tradewars , lord ect without having a 32bit system. I would
love to install some of the doors I used to run.?

... and THAT, my friend, is why I do not bother with DOORS (other than the stock doors shipped with Synchronet). My main SBBS install is 3.17b(c?) under Slackware 14.2 x86_64 ... trying to get a decent VM or DosBox working correctly is a bear and, for me, hardly worth the effort :-)

I see you have lots of soltions, good luck

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Hi Digital Man and All

I would suggest running a 32-bit version of Windows in a VM (and run the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit edition of Windows.

What is the best VM to use for this.

Thank you

for Winbloz 10 ... https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

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From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

On 1/19/2019 11:31 AM, Mortifis wrote:

To: Bloody Butcher
> I am useing windows 10 x64 is there anyway to run BBS doors such as
> tradewars , lord ect without having a 32bit system. I would
> love to install some of the doors I used to run.?

... and THAT, my friend, is why I do not bother with DOORS (other than the stock doors shipped with Synchronet). My main SBBS install is 3.17b(c?) under Slackware 14.2 x86_64 ... trying to get a decent VM or DosBox working correctly
is a bear and, for me, hardly worth the effort :-)

I see you have lots of soltions, good luck

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Pardon me ...but doing a fresh install of windows (10? or 8.1? not sure yet)

thus this box is only for SBBS use...so I am setting it up (now) as 32
bit version of whatever win 10 etc)

thus the whole VM above etc will not be needed right? w/ 32 bit windows
and newest sbbs and doors?

(probably a dumb question but trying to get ducks in a row I have
forgotten much)

thanks

brad
former sysop lost gonzo bbs
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From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

On 1/19/2019 4:03 PM, mrbrad wrote:

On 1/19/2019 11:31 AM, Mortifis wrote:

   To: Bloody Butcher
  > I am useing windows 10 x64 is there anyway to run BBS doors such as
  > tradewars , lord ect without having a 32bit system. I would
  > love to install some of the doors I used to run.?

... and THAT, my friend, is why I do not bother with DOORS (other than
the
stock doors shipped with Synchronet). My main SBBS install is
3.17b(c?) under
Slackware 14.2 x86_64 ... trying to get a decent VM or DosBox working
correctly
is a bear and, for me, hardly worth the effort :-)

I see you have lots of soltions, good luck

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Pardon me ...but doing a fresh install of windows (10? or 8.1? not sure
yet)

thus this box is only for SBBS use...so I am setting it up (now) as 32
bit version of whatever win 10 etc)

thus the whole VM above etc will not be needed right? w/ 32 bit windows
and newest sbbs and doors?

(probably a dumb question but trying to get ducks in a row I have
forgotten much)

thanks

brad
former sysop lost gonzo bbs

sorry this post was for the msgs above on 64 bit win and 32 bit win and
the 16 bit door discussion a
above ...but hey, I'll take a quick answer from anyone

as an aside thought and sbbs and as to

sbbs for linux....I know zip...so not really an option, :(

(best to know one's limits)

brad
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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: mrbrad to alt.bbs.synchronet on Sat Jan 19 2019 04:03 pm

thus the whole VM above etc will not be needed right? w/ 32 bit windows
and newest sbbs and doors?

Correct.

digital man

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From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

On 1/19/2019 12:26 PM, Mortifis wrote:

To: Ian Segers
> Hi Digital Man and All
>
> DM> I would suggest running a 32-bit version of Windows in a VM (and run
> DM> the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit
> DM> edition of Windows.

> What is the best VM to use for this.

> Thank you

for Winbloz 10 ... https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

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So to be clear NO win 10 O/S either 32 bit or 64 bit can run the 16 bit
doors? So I'd be better off with say a 32 bit version of Windows 8.1 Pro
as a fresh install of an microsoft o/s? (I'm assuming that can do 16 bit
w/o an VM or dosbox).

thanks

brad
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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: mrbrad to alt.bbs.synchronet on Sat Jan 19 2019 04:58 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

On 1/19/2019 12:26 PM, Mortifis wrote:

To: Ian Segers
> Hi Digital Man and All
>
> DM> I would suggest running a 32-bit version of Windows in a VM (and run
> DM> the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit
> DM> edition of Windows.

> What is the best VM to use for this.

> Thank you

for Winbloz 10 ... https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

So to be clear NO win 10 O/S either 32 bit or 64 bit can run the 16 bit doors?

False. Windows 10 32-bit can run 16-bit DOS doors.

http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:win

digital man

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Re: BBS Doors
By: MRO to Bloody Butcher on Fri Jan 18 2019 06:37 pm

Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to All on Fri Jan 18 2019 12:21 pm

I am useing windows 10 x64 is there anyway to run BBS doors such as tradewars , lord ect without having a 32bit system. I would
love to install some of the doors I used to run.?

run it on a 32bit vm. or use bbs dosbox.

Thank you for your reply!

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Re: BBS Doors
By: Digital Man to Marisag on Fri Jan 18 2019 04:56 pm

Re: BBS Doors
By: Marisag to Bloody Butcher on Fri Jan 18 2019 09:45 am

Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to All on Fri Jan 18 2019 12:21:40

64bit systems can run 32bit apps, as far as I know...

64bit editions of Windows do not include the "NTVDM" virtual DOS machine system for running 16-bit DOS applications.

I would suggest running a 32-bit version of Windows in a VM (and run the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit edition of Windows.

digital man

Synchronet "Real Fact" #6:
Synchronet version 3 for Linux and FreeBSD development began in 2001.
Norco, CA WX: 60.1øF, 76.0% humidity, 1 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

Thank you for your heads up and your reply

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Mortifis to Bloody Butcher on Sat Jan 19 2019 05:31 pm

Thanks i don't have much experince with VM and from some of what i have looked up looks like a pain. I just love some of the older
doors and would have loved to set them up. I wish I could run some of the other bbs programs out there such as renegade celerity
obv/2 vision-x , telegard etc but i do really like synchronet also.. everyone here has been really helpfull and i am thankfull for
all the help and support i have been getting from some of the other SysOps

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Ian Segers to Digital Man on Sun Jan 20 2019 08:33 am

I would suggest running a 32-bit version of Windows in a VM (and run
the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit
edition of Windows.

What is the best VM to use for this.

If you're looking to pay for a VM and just want to run a single VM on a desktop, VMWare Workstation is pretty good. For a free VM, VirtualBox seems better - I'm pretty sure the free VMWare Player doesn't support snapshots, and being able to take a snapshot of your VM is a huge advantage when upgrading, tweaking, etc.

I haven't used HyperV in a while, someone else may have some perspective.

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Mortifis to Marisag on Sat Jan 19 2019 05:21 pm

That is true, if you have compatibility mode set ... but win64 cannot run 16 bit progs, which most DOS Doors are written in

If only someone would port dosemu to Windows...

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Mortifis to Bloody Butcher on Sat Jan 19 2019 05:31 pm

... and THAT, my friend, is why I do not bother with DOORS (other than the stock doors shipped with Synchronet). My main SBBS install is 3.17b(c?) under Slackware 14.2 x86_64 ... trying to get a decent VM or DosBox working correctly is a bear and, for me, hardly worth the effort :-)

The problem I have is with the lack of local users. No one's touched my local version of Global War in months. It's easier for me to connect CoA and BBSlink games to my BBS and skip the local installs, and there's more of a user population.

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to Mortifis on Sun Jan 20 2019 02:05 am

have loved to set them up. I wish I could run some of the other bbs programs out there such as renegade celerity obv/2 vision-x , telegard etc but i do really like synchronet also.. everyone here has been really

There are some fun menus for Synchronet 2.x that make it look like some of the packages you called out - they might need a little tweaking, but they make a nice basis for your own menu system.

I used the Renegade menus make my BBS menus, which reminded me of my old Telegard install.

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Hi Mortifis

the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit edition of Windows.

What is the best VM to use for this.

for Winbloz 10 ... https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

Cool, thank you, I will download it and give a try.

Ian S 2nd Choice Core Mystic Nz

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Hi poindexter FORTRAN

the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit
edition of Windows.

What is the best VM to use for this.

If you're looking to pay for a VM and just want to run a single VM on a desktop, VMWare Workstation is pretty good. For a free VM, VirtualBox seems better - I'm pretty sure the free VMWare Player doesn't support snapshots, and being able to take a snapshot of your VM is a huge advantage when upgrading, tweaking, etc.

Okay, thank you for this info, I will download VirtualBox and give it a try perhap I have a look at the other 2 later and give them a try.


Ian S 2nd Choice Core Mystic Nz

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From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

On 1/19/2019 11:31 AM, Mortifis wrote:

To: Bloody Butcher
> I am useing windows 10 x64 is there anyway to run BBS doors such as
> tradewars , lord ect without having a 32bit system. I would
> love to install some of the doors I used to run.?

... and THAT, my friend, is why I do not bother with DOORS (other than the stock doors shipped with Synchronet). My main SBBS install is 3.17b(c?) under Slackware 14.2 x86_64 ... trying to get a decent VM or DosBox working correctly
is a bear and, for me, hardly worth the effort :-)

I see you have lots of soltions, good luck

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Pardon me ...but doing a fresh install of windows (10? or 8.1? not sure yet)

thus this box is only for SBBS use...so I am setting it up (now) as 32
bit version of whatever win 10 etc)

thus the whole VM above etc will not be needed right? w/ 32 bit windows
and newest sbbs and doors?

(probably a dumb question but trying to get ducks in a row I have
forgotten much)

thanks

That too can be a pain in the whahuzzie ... you still need to make sure NTVDM is installed, then you may have to add the 16 bit compatibility mode for each 16 bit code you want to run and sometimes even then you may also have to specify which OS to mimic for each 16 bit code you want to run ... see http://techgenix.com/16-bit-applications-windows-10/ for more information.

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Mortifis to Marisag on Sat Jan 19 2019 05:21 pm

That is true, if you have compatibility mode set ... but win64 cannot run 16 bit progs, which most DOS Doors are written in

If only someone would port dosemu to Windows...

or ... if MS would include some NTVDM hack in their x64 for full backward compatibility ... maybe DM could hack a x64 NTVDM driver of sorts :-P

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bloody Butcher on Sun Jan 20 2019 08:20 am

cool

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Mortifis to Ian Segers on Sat Jan 19 2019 06:26 pm

Hi Digital Man and All

I would suggest running a 32-bit version of Windows in a VM (and run the BBS in the VM) if you wish to run 16-bit DOS programs on a 64-bit edition of Windows.

What is the best VM to use for this.

Thank you

for Winbloz 10 ... https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

i use vmware
on linux i use proxmox
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Bloody Butcher wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Re: Re: BBS Doors

cool

What is? You didn't quote any context...


... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Dan Clough to Bloody Butcher on Mon Jan 21 2019 05:13 pm

Bloody Butcher wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Re: Re: BBS Doors

cool

What is? You didn't quote any context...

... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.

I was talking about your use of renegade menus and having the feel of an old telegard system. I played around with Renegade and
telgard and I liked both

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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortifis on Sun Jan 20 2019 08:15 am

Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Mortifis to Marisag on Sat Jan 19 2019 05:21 pm

That is true, if you have compatibility mode set ... but win64 cannot run 16 bit progs, which most DOS Doors are written in

If only someone would port dosemu to Windows...

you can use bbs dosbox
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Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Mortifis to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 20 2019 03:03 pm

Re: Re: BBS Doors
By: Mortifis to Marisag on Sat Jan 19 2019 05:21 pm

That is true, if you have compatibility mode set ... but win64 cannot run 16 bit progs, which most DOS Doors are written in

If only someone would port dosemu to Windows...

or ... if MS would include some NTVDM hack in their x64 for full backward compatibility ... maybe DM could hack a x64 NTVDM driver of sorts :-P

HTTP://bbses.info/bbsdosbox/
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The problem I have is with the lack of local users. No one's touched my loca PF>version of Global War in months. It's easier for me to connect CoA and BBSli PF>games to my BBS and skip the local installs, and there's more of a user PF>population.

I personally am not concerned if I don't get a bunch of local users.
There is only one other BBS in Little Rock right now, and one in
Mayflower, about 25 miles northwest of Little Rock...that's all the
BBS's left in Arkansas.

Some days, I may be the only "logon", but I run the BBS for MY enjoyment...it's one of the few hobbies that I can still do.

Daryl

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or ... if MS would include some NTVDM hack in their x64 for full backward M>compatibility ... maybe DM could hack a x64 NTVDM driver of sorts :-P

Don't hold your breath on that one...especially on Micro$0ft's part.
:P

Daryl

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Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to MRO on Sun Jan 20 2019 01:59 am

Re: BBS Doors
By: MRO to Bloody Butcher on Fri Jan 18 2019 06:37 pm

Re: BBS Doors
By: Bloody Butcher to All on Fri Jan 18 2019 12:21 pm

I am useing windows 10 x64 is there anyway to run BBS doors such as tradewars , lord ect without having a 32bit system. I would
love to install some of the doors I used to run.?

run it on a 32bit vm. or use bbs dosbox.

Thank you for your reply!

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