• Logon Sounds in the Bot Age

    From Josh Ramsey@VERT/BASEMENT to All on Monday, November 26, 2018 21:20:32
    One thing that's frustrated me ever since I started running a Synchronet BBS was the ability to set a WAV file to play when a connection happens. Of course, it's not that function itself that frustrates me, but the fact that in a time when exploit-seeking scripts connect to your BBS hundreds (or more) times a day, being able to set a connect sound is just a tease.

    But I finally thought of the solution. On Windows-based systems at least, Synchronet allows you to trigger WAV files through Javascript. I immediately found the sound of most modem speed/protocol handshakes and wrote a quick bit of code to randomly choose one, inserting it into login.js at the point right after the user successfully logs in. (You could also trigger it in one of the welcome login[x].ans/asc screens if you don't want to mess with the main login script.)

    I apologize if this is silly. But, I just thought there might be a few other SysOps out there who have wanted a notification sound that can avoid the nuisance connections falsely triggering it. This is one way Windows-systems can do that.

    Take care,
    -J

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  • From Lord Time@VERT/TIME to Josh Ramsey on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 09:24:00
    One thing that's frustrated me ever since I started running a Synchronet BBS was the ability to set a WAV file to play when a connection happens. Of course, it's not that function itself that frustrates me, but the fact that in a time when exploit-seeking scripts connect to your BBS hundreds (or more) times a day, being able to set a connect sound is just a tease.

    But I finally thought of the solution. On Windows-based systems at least, Synchronet allows you to trigger WAV files through Javascript. I immediately found the sound of most modem speed/protocol handshakes and wrote a quick bit of code to randomly choose one, inserting it into login.js at the point right after the user successfully logs in. (You could also trigger it in one of the welcome login[x].ans/asc screens if you don't want to mess with the main login script.)

    I apologize if this is silly. But, I just thought there might be a few other SysOps out there who have wanted a notification sound that can avoid the nuisance connections falsely triggering it. This is one way Windows-systems can do that.

    you might send a copy of that to DM


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  • From Josh Ramsey@VERT/BASEMENT to Lord Time on Saturday, December 01, 2018 09:04:38
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Lord Time to Josh Ramsey on Wed Nov 28 2018 09:24 am

    you might send a copy of that to DM

    My code is slightly dirty, but maybe requesting a modification to the
    existing logon sound feature to set it to play after a connection successfully logs in would be in order.

    So I'll formally make the suggestion here. Dev team, would it be possible to eventually add the option to play the configurable logon sound after a connection completes authentication, instead of only when all connections are made? The volume of bots and other scanners sadly makes a sound notification useless for informing you when actual users login.

    Thanks!

    Take care,
    -J

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Josh Ramsey on Saturday, December 01, 2018 17:33:33
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Josh Ramsey to Lord Time on Sat Dec 01 2018 09:04 am

    My code is slightly dirty, but maybe requesting a modification to the existing logon sound feature to set it to play after a connection successfully logs in would be in order.

    So I'll formally make the suggestion here. Dev team, would it be possible to eventually add the option to play the configurable logon sound after a connection completes authentication, instead of only when all connections are made? The volume of bots and other scanners sadly makes a sound notification useless for informing you when actual users login.

    Thanks!


    i think something like this is a personal preference.

    it's your command shell, edit it how you wish.
    i dont want ANY sounds, and i have my bbs setup that way.
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  • From Josh Ramsey@VERT/BASEMENT to MRO on Saturday, December 01, 2018 21:54:46
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: MRO to Josh Ramsey on Sat Dec 01 2018 05:33 pm

    i think something like this is a personal preference.
    it's your command shell, edit it how you wish.
    i dont want ANY sounds, and i have my bbs setup that way.

    Six years into my return to BBSing, and it's only now that I finally get my first instance of MRO gainsaying something I've said. I finally feel like part of the scene, now. ;-)

    I wasn't suggesting a forced sound notification. I was suggesting that the currently existing option to add a sound file to play on connect be expanded to have the option to sound after authentication so that it doesn't play every time an exploit-seeking bot connects. I wasn't suggesting making a sound mandatory, but rather simply giving SysOps who do specify a sound file the choice of when the file plays.

    Take care,
    -J

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Josh Ramsey on Sunday, December 02, 2018 17:09:06
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Josh Ramsey to MRO on Sat Dec 01 2018 09:54 pm

    i think something like this is a personal preference.
    it's your command shell, edit it how you wish.
    i dont want ANY sounds, and i have my bbs setup that way.

    Six years into my return to BBSing, and it's only now that I finally get my first instance of MRO gainsaying something I've said. I finally feel like

    never heard of you.
    it was just me replying to your stupid post. dont think it is anything else. ---
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Josh Ramsey on Sunday, December 02, 2018 21:27:08
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Josh Ramsey to Lord Time on Sat Dec 01 2018 09:04 am

    So I'll formally make the suggestion here. Dev team, would it be possible to eventually add the option to play the configurable logon sound after a connection completes authentication, instead of only when all connections are made? The volume of bots and other scanners sadly makes a sound notification useless for informing you when actual users login.

    A new "configurable logon sound" option would be easy to add. The existing sound file options are not for logon, they're for connection and disconnection.

    digital man

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  • From Josh Ramsey@VERT/BASEMENT to MRO on Monday, December 03, 2018 05:31:13
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: MRO to Josh Ramsey on Sun Dec 02 2018 05:09 pm

    never heard of you.
    it was just me replying to your stupid post. dont think it is anything else. ---

    Nah. I'm taking it as a modern-day BBSing right-of-passage.

    Thank you so much!

    Take care,
    -J

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  • From Josh Ramsey@VERT/BASEMENT to Digital Man on Monday, December 03, 2018 05:38:29
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Digital Man to Josh Ramsey on Sun Dec 02 2018 09:27 pm

    A new "configurable logon sound" option would be easy to add. The existing sound file options are not for logon, they're for connection and disconnection.

    It might be something SysOps enjoy, even if only for a short time. I put modem sounds in my logon script a week ago, and it's still not old. Silly nostalgia!

    Whether or not you and the team add the option to the core configuration, thanks for listening.

    Take care,
    -J

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Monday, December 03, 2018 10:04:08
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: MRO to Josh Ramsey on Sun Dec 02 2018 05:09 pm

    Six years into my return to BBSing, and it's only now that I finally
    get my first instance of MRO gainsaying something I've said. I finally
    feel like

    never heard of you.

    I've seen Josh Ramsey post on Dove-Net here and there for a little while now..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Josh Ramsey on Monday, December 03, 2018 10:05:36
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Josh Ramsey to Digital Man on Mon Dec 03 2018 05:38 am

    It might be something SysOps enjoy, even if only for a short time. I put modem sounds in my logon script a week ago, and it's still not old. Silly nostalgia!

    Modem sounds in the logon script? I think those would likely be heard on the BBS system (the sysop would hear it). Back in the day, as a sysop, I didn't really want to hear the modem answer every call (particularly if it was late at night). Hearing the modem sounds was more useful to me as a user calling other BBSes than as a sysop.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 06:40:00
    On 12-03-18 10:05, Nightfox wrote to Josh Ramsey <=-

    Modem sounds in the logon script? I think those would likely be heard
    on the BBS system (the sysop would hear it). Back in the day, as a
    sysop, I didn't really want to hear the modem answer every call (particularly if it was late at night). Hearing the modem sounds was
    more useful to me as a user calling other BBSes than as a sysop.

    As a user, definitely loved the modem sounds. As a sysop, I turned the modem speaker off, so it didn't disturb late at night. Was nice to listen, but impractical, as it would have needed 2 modem configurations and an event to swap them. Doable, but would have meant recycling the system twice a day for no other reason.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Monday, December 03, 2018 19:30:59
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Dec 03 2018 10:04 am

    Six years into my return to BBSing, and it's only now that I finally
    get my first instance of MRO gainsaying something I've said. I finally
    feel like

    never heard of you.

    I've seen Josh Ramsey post on Dove-Net here and there for a little while now..


    apparently he doesnt like to see people disagree with him.

    i won't be hearing of him again, either.
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  • From Josh Ramsey@VERT/BASEMENT to Nightfox on Monday, December 03, 2018 19:01:23
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Nightfox to Josh Ramsey on Mon Dec 03 2018 10:05 am

    Modem sounds in the logon script? I think those would likely be heard on the BBS system (the sysop would hear it). Back in the day, as a sysop, I didn't really want to hear the modem answer every call (particularly if it was late at night). Hearing the modem sounds was more useful to me as a user calling other BBSes than as a sysop.

    That was my intent. I wanted my computer to play the modem sounds to me, to approximate the feeling of hearing users connecting "back in the day." ;-) I must have written things a little ambiguously and accidentally seemed to imply to you that I wanted the sounds to play on the user side. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be possible without special terminal/client software, anyway.

    I simply used the function to play a local WAV file on the local system, inserting it into the script near the top, almost right after the user successfully authenticates (or completes the new user process).

    Take care,
    -J

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  • From Josh Ramsey@VERT/BASEMENT to Tony Langdon on Monday, December 03, 2018 19:15:58
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Tue Dec 04 2018 06:40 am

    As a user, definitely loved the modem sounds. As a sysop, I turned the modem speaker off, so it didn't disturb late at night. Was nice to listen, but impractical, as it would have needed 2 modem configurations and an event to swap them. Doable, but would have meant recycling the system twice a day for no other reason.

    I ran Wildcat, and I actually did use multiple init strings for different times of the day. I think there was some easy way to do it from the main "waiting for callers" screen, like a hotkey or something. Once I had an external USR Sportster with a volume knob, that wasn't even a problem anymore.

    I'm starting to think I'm in the minority. I really thought more SysOps in the dial-up era liked hearing users connecting, at least when near their computers.

    Take care,
    -J

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Josh Ramsey on Monday, December 03, 2018 19:34:28
    Re: Re: Logon Sounds in the Bot Age
    By: Josh Ramsey to Tony Langdon on Mon Dec 03 2018 07:15 pm

    I'm starting to think I'm in the minority. I really thought more SysOps in the dial-up era liked hearing users connecting, at least when near their computers.

    I never had my modem speaker enabled back in the 90s when I ran my original BBS. Only when I made outgoing calls as a user to other BBSes.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Josh Ramsey on Wednesday, December 05, 2018 07:29:00
    On 12-03-18 19:15, Josh Ramsey wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I ran Wildcat, and I actually did use multiple init strings for
    different times of the day. I think there was some easy way to do it
    from the main "waiting for callers" screen, like a hotkey or something. Once I had an external USR Sportster with a volume knob, that wasn't
    even a problem anymore.

    I would need full automation. A hotkey or volume knob won't cut it, because I tend to lose track of low priority things like this. :)

    I'm starting to think I'm in the minority. I really thought more SysOps
    in the dial-up era liked hearing users connecting, at least when near their computers.

    I like the idea, and have sound setup on my BBS (it' actually ussed for non BBS related purposes), so it could be pretty easy. But I'd have to schedule it on and off. :)


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