Here is a little more insight about looking at sbbs logs. If you are running sbbs daemonized and have LogFacility=User then you could look at /var/log/user.log and/or user.log.1 there are many ways to look at logs. I will look into your other questions about gtkmonitor, one thing I am sure if interferring with some of it's features is that if you run the board as sudo sbbs and exported SBBSCTRL as your login user then the env is not set correctly, also if you run sudo gtkmonitor it will open in your desktop as root so the SBBSCTRL env will not be set correctly. When I get home from work I will look at an easy way around this.

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Hi Mortifis

Here is a little more insight about looking at sbbs logs. If you are running sbbs daemonized

In sbbs.ini I have daemonized as false

and have LogFacility=User then you could look
at /var/log/user.log and/or user.log.1 there are many ways to look at logs.

thank you, and yes I found these logs and had a look in them.

I will look into your other questions about gtkmonitor, one
thing I am sure if interferring with some of it's features is that if
you run the board as sudo sbbs and exported SBBSCTRL as your login user then the env is not set correctly,

yes you are right I don't think the env are not set correctly,

also if you run sudo gtkmonitor it
will open in your desktop as root so the SBBSCTRL env will not be set correctly. When I get home from work I will look at an easy way around this.

Thank you for looking into the env for me.

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On 2018 Oct 16 07:56:00, you wrote to Mortifis:

Here is a little more insight about looking at sbbs logs. If you are
running sbbs daemonized

In sbbs.ini I have daemonized as false

that's correct... the recommended method is to leave that as "false" and use the "-d" (IIRC) command line option to daemonize sbbs...

and have LogFacility=User then you could look at /var/log/user.log
and/or user.log.1 there are many ways to look at logs.

thank you, and yes I found these logs and had a look in them.

even with that setting, my ubuntu server doesn't have /var/log/user.log and similar... everything has to be dug out of the main syslog.log file(s)...

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mark wrote:

On 2018 Oct 16 07:56:00, you wrote to Mortifis:

Here is a little more insight about looking at sbbs logs. If you are
running sbbs daemonized

In sbbs.ini I have daemonized as false

that's correct... the recommended method is to leave that as "false" and use
the "-d" (IIRC) command line option to daemonize sbbs...

and have LogFacility=User then you could look at /var/log/user.log
and/or user.log.1 there are many ways to look at logs.

thank you, and yes I found these logs and had a look in them.

even with that setting, my ubuntu server doesn't have /var/log/user.log and similar... everything has to be dug out of the main syslog.log file(s)...

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I really have no idea what I'm doing with the new syslog stuff but this
seems to work.

In /etc/rsyslog.d create a new file

bbs@bbs:/etc/rsyslog.d$ cat 60-sbbslog.conf
if $programname == 'synchronet' then /var/log/sbbs/sbbs.log
if $programname == 'synchronet' then ~



Then in sbbs.service add the following
SyslogIdentifier=synchronet

Finally in ctrl/sbbs.ini

Daemonize=False
LogFacility=3
LogIdent=synchronet

Create an empty /var/log/sbbs/sbbs.log file and make sure the user you run
sbbs under has permissions - if in doubt, chmod 777 it for now.

After you HUP rsyslog to read in the new config and restart sbbs this will
log all your sbbs stuff to /var/log/sbbs/sbbs.log

At least it does here.

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Hi mark lewis

Here is a little more insight about looking at sbbs logs. If you are
running sbbs daemonized

In sbbs.ini I have daemonized as false

that's correct... the recommended method is to leave that as "false"
and use the "-d" (IIRC) command line option to daemonize sbbs...

Okay cool thank you, so how and were in sbbs.ini you do this or daemonize:-d

and have LogFacility=User then you could look at /var/log/user.log
and/or user.log.1 there are many ways to look at logs.

thank you, and yes I found these logs and had a look in them.

even with that setting, my ubuntu server doesn't have /var/log/user.log and similar... everything has to be dug out of the main syslog.log file(s)...

Okay, thank you for this.

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On 2018 Oct 19 11:45:00, you wrote to me:

Here is a little more insight about looking at sbbs logs. If you
are running sbbs daemonized

In sbbs.ini I have daemonized as false

that's correct... the recommended method is to leave that as "false"
and use the "-d" (IIRC) command line option to daemonize sbbs...

Okay cool thank you, so how and were in sbbs.ini you do this or daemonize:-d

you don't... leave sbbs.ini as

----->8 snip 8<-----
[UNIX]
blah
Daemonize=False
blah
----->8 snip 8<-----

and then in your start up script, generally in /etc/init.d, the command line would be something like

----->8 snip 8<-----
-blahblah-
PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin
SBBSROOT=/sbbs
DAEMON=$SBBSROOT/exec/sbbs

# Command Line options (e.g. daemonize)
OPTIONS="-d"
-blahblah-
$DAEMON $OPTIONS
----->8 snip 8<-----


that last line, "$DAEMON $OPTIONS" is literally

/sbbs/exec/sbbs -d


my init.d script came from CVS... there's instructions in the wiki on how to pull it down and where to place it... it contains this header...

----->8 snip 8<-----
#!/bin/sh

# Debian Linux system service run script (init file) for Synchronet
#
# This file normally goes in your /etc/init.d directory
#
# $Id: sbbs.debian,v 1.4 2011/10/17 09:00:36 sbbs Exp $

### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides: sbbs
# Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog
# Required-Stop: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog
# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
# Default-Stop: 0 1 6
# Short-Description: Start/stop Synchronet BBS services
# X-Interactive: false
### END INIT INFO

########################################
# Synchronet BBS Debian startup script # ########################################
# by Karloch <karloch@hispamsx.org> 8 Dec 2005

# You can edit these vars to meet your system configuration
----->8 snip 8<-----

this should be all you need unless you are going to try to mess with that systemd abomination... that has a completely different startup script methodology...

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Hi mark lewis

On 2018 Oct 19 11:45:00, you wrote to me:

Okay cool thank you, so how and were in sbbs.ini you do this or daemonize:-d

you don't... leave sbbs.ini as

Yes I have left sbbs.ini as

----->8 snip 8<-----
[UNIX]
blah
Daemonize=False
blah
----->8 snip 8<-----

and then in your start up script, generally in /etc/init.d, the command line would be something like

----->8 snip 8<-----
-blahblah-
PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin
SBBSROOT=/sbbs
DAEMON=$SBBSROOT/exec/sbbs

# Command Line options (e.g. daemonize)
OPTIONS="-d"
-blahblah-
$DAEMON $OPTIONS
----->8 snip 8<-----

I have saved this message so I can go though it and edit were I have to, and to set it up and will check
wiki as well, and this it what I am looking for, Thank you for this info.

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On 2018 Oct 22 08:31:00, you wrote to me:

I have saved this message so I can go though it and edit were I have
to, and to set it up and will check wiki as well, and this it what I
am looking for,

if you get the script as per the wiki, you don't have to edit anything... just chown, chmod and place it in init.d or rc.d directory depending on your system... there was something else i had to run that created the symlinks to the script in the proper init.X or rc.X directories so that sbbs would run on certain runlevels and be shutdown properly when needed... i don't recall what the command is/was to do that, though... i had to hunt it down again when i set
up this installation :/

Thank you for this info.

you're welcome :)

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Hi mark lewis

On 2018 Oct 22 08:31:00, you wrote to me:

I have saved this message so I can go though it and edit were I have
to, and to set it up and will check wiki as well, and this it what I
am looking for,

if you get the script as per the wiki, you don't have to edit anything...

Yes I have got the script of wike

just chown, chmod

just a bit unsure what you want me to do here per commands

and place it in init.d or rc.d directory

okay will do place it in init.d or rc.d directory

depending on your system... there was something else i had to run that created the symlinks to the script in the proper init.X or rc.X directories so that sbbs would run on certain runlevels and be shutdown properly when needed... i don't recall what the command is/was to do
that, though... i had to hunt it down again when i set up this installation :/

okay thank you for hunt it down to created the symlinks to the script in the proper
init.X or rc.X.

Thank you
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Hi mark lewis

On 2018 Oct 22 08:31:00, you wrote to me:

I have saved this message so I can go though it and edit were I have to, and to set it up and will check wiki as well, and this it what I
am looking for,

if you get the script as per the wiki, you don't have to edit anything...

Yes I have got the script of wike

just chown, chmod

just a bit unsure what you want me to do here per commands

and place it in init.d or rc.d directory

okay will do place it in init.d or rc.d directory

IMHO on a Raspberry Pi wouldn't it be easier to just:

sudo nano /etc/systemd/system/sbbs.service

and paste in:

[Unit]
Description=Synchronet BBS
Documentation=man:sbbs
After=network.target

[Service]
Restart=on-failure
EnvironmentFile=-/etc/default/sbbs
ExecStart=/sbbs/exec/sbbs nd
ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID
User=root
Group=root

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

save and exit then
sudo systemctl enable sbbs

shut your sbbs -nd process (ps -ef | grep sbbs) or pkill sbbs
(you could 'touch/sbbs/data/shutdown' but that doesn't always kill the processes) then

sudo service start sbbs

now it is running as a service ... if you want to look at the logs simply

cat /var/log/syslog | less

or if you want to see some specific message (ie QNET-FTP) cat /var/log/syslog | grep QNET-FTP

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Hi Mortifis

IMHO on a Raspberry Pi wouldn't it be easier to just:

well yes it could I suppose.

sudo nano /etc/systemd/system/sbbs.service

Yep okay with this

and paste in:

[Unit]
Description=Synchronet BBS
Documentation=man:sbbs
After=network.target

[Service]
Restart=on-failure
EnvironmentFile=-/etc/default/sbbs
ExecStart=/sbbs/exec/sbbs nd
ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID
User=root
Group=root

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

save and exit then
sudo systemctl enable sbbs

Yep okay with this

shut your sbbs -nd process (ps -ef | grep sbbs) or pkill sbbs

not so mush with this at the moment not using qktmonitor
just sbbs/exec/sbbs and use lowercase q to close its down
so do I have to do the above as well -nd etc if so what the command to do
this or after sbbs/exec/sbbs then q it shound be done

(you could 'touch/sbbs/data/shutdown' but that doesn't always kill the processes) then

Yep okay with this

sudo service start sbbs

Yep okay with this

now it is running as a service ...

okay cool

if you want to look at the logs
simply cat /var/log/syslog | less

okay cool thank you

or if you want to see some specific message (ie QNET-FTP)
cat /var/log/syslog | grep QNET-FTP

This great thank you.

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Hi Mortifis

shut your sbbs -nd process (ps -ef | grep sbbs) or pkill sbbs

not so mush with this at the moment not using qktmonitor
just sbbs/exec/sbbs and use lowercase q to close its down
so do I have to do the above as well -nd etc if so what the command to do
this or after sbbs/exec/sbbs then q it shound be done

if you ran sbbs daemonized then there is no where to Q [uit] so finding the process id to kill is needed ... ps -ef | grep sbbs will show the pid so if you wanted to kill -9 you'd have it, or you could just run pkill sbbs, this is by no means graceful, but you will be restarting synchronet right afterwards anyway :-)

(you could 'touch/sbbs/data/shutdown' but that doesn't always kill the
processes) then

Yep okay with this

Made a typo, that should be touch /sbbs/ctrl/shutdown

sudo service start sbbs

Yep okay with this

now it is running as a service ...

okay cool

you don't have to worry about all of the run level stuff and graceful shutdowns, as a service the system knows how to be gentle on processes :-)

if you want to look at the logs
simply cat /var/log/syslog | less

okay cool thank you

or if you want to see some specific message (ie QNET-FTP)
cat /var/log/syslog | grep QNET-FTP

This great thank you.

YW

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Re: Re: SBBS Lgs
By: Mortifis to Sneaky on Thu Oct 25 2018 09:28 am

Hi Mortifis

shut your sbbs -nd process (ps -ef | grep sbbs) or pkill sbbs

not so mush with this at the moment not using qktmonitor
just sbbs/exec/sbbs and use lowercase q to close its down
so do I have to do the above as well -nd etc if so what the command to do
this or after sbbs/exec/sbbs then q it shound be done

if you ran sbbs daemonized then there is no where to Q [uit] so finding the process id to kill is needed ... ps -ef | grep sbbs will show the pid so if you wanted to kill -9 you'd have it, or you could just run pkill sbbs, this is by no means graceful, but you will be restarting synchronet right afterwards anyway :-)

Also, /var/run/sbbs.pid will give you the pid. And there's 'pgrep'.

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Hi Mortifis

Hi Mortifis

so do I have to do the above as well -nd etc if so what the command to do
this or after sbbs/exec/sbbs then q it shound be done

if you ran sbbs daemonized then there is no where to Q [uit] so

in Sbbs.ini I have daeonize=false or is that the same thing as daemonized
or do I do this sbbs/exec/sbbs -nd or pkill or in sbbs/exec just pkill sbbs
just tring to get my head around this part

finding the process id to kill is needed ... ps -ef | grep sbbs will
show the pid so if you wanted to kill -9 you'd have it, or you could
just run pkill sbbs, this is by no means graceful, but you will be

so I type run pkill sbbs in sbbs/exec (sorry)

restarting synchronet right afterwards anyway :-)

this is good anyway.

(you could 'touch/sbbs/data/shutdown' but that doesn't always kill the processes) then

Yep okay with this

Made a typo, that should be touch /sbbs/ctrl/shutdown

if every thing else doen't work will use this

sudo service start sbbs

Yep okay with this

now it is running as a service ...

okay cool

you don't have to worry about all of the run level stuff and
graceful shutdowns, as a service the system knows how to be gentle on processes :-)

This is cool thanks


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On 2018 Oct 25 08:19:00, you wrote to me:

depending on your system... there was something else i had to run that
created the symlinks to the script in the proper init.X or rc.X
directories so that sbbs would run on certain runlevels and be
shutdown properly when needed... i don't recall what the command
is/was to do that, though... i had to hunt it down again when i set up
this installation :/

okay thank you for hunt it down to created the symlinks to the script
in the proper init.X or rc.X.

looking through my .bash_history file, it appears that this is the command i used...

sudo update-rc.d sbbs enable 2 3 4 5


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On 2018 Oct 24 17:41:28, you wrote to Sneaky:

if you want to look at the logs simply

cat /var/log/syslog | less

why use cat and pipe the output to less when

less /var/log/syslog

works perfectly? or

tail -F /var/log/syslog

to follow the log? i also provided a quick script previously (monitor_sbbs) which only shows synchronet entries so you have all the normal system log stuff
to wade through...

or if you want to see some specific message (ie QNET-FTP) cat /var/log/syslog | grep QNET-FTP

again with cat :)

egrep -e "QNET-FTP" /var/log/syslog


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On 2018 Oct 24 17:41:28, you wrote to Sneaky:

if you want to look at the logs simply

cat /var/log/syslog | less

why use cat and pipe the output to less when

less /var/log/syslog

works perfectly? or

tail -F /var/log/syslog

tail doesn't give much output

to follow the log? i also provided a quick script previously (monitor_sbbs) which only shows synchronet entries so you have all the normal system log stuff
to wade through...

or if you want to see some specific message (ie QNET-FTP) cat /var/log/syslog | grep QNET-FTP

again with cat :)

egrep -e "QNET-FTP" /var/log/syslog

so, it's true, there's more than one way to skin a cat :-P
seems sneaky has many options available to choose from :)

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On 2018 Oct 27 20:25:26, you wrote to me:

cat /var/log/syslog | less

why use cat and pipe the output to less when

less /var/log/syslog

works perfectly? or

tail -F /var/log/syslog

tail doesn't give much output

Tail -F follows the file with all new output... you can also specify how many lines to go back with "-n xxxxx" like so...

tail -F -n 5000 /var/log/syslog

that'll display the last 5000 lines and follow the file even if it is deleted/renamed and restarted...

again with cat :)

egrep -e "QNET-FTP" /var/log/syslog

so, it's true, there's more than one way to skin a cat :-P
seems sneaky has many options available to choose from :)

yep!

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Hi mark lewis

okay thank you for hunt it down to created the symlinks to the script
in the proper init.X or rc.X.

looking through my .bash_history file, it appears that this is the
command i used...

sudo update-rc.d sbbs enable 2 3 4 5

Thank you for this command, and I get on to doing that now.

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