A couple of examples from a recent call-out:

8/18 08:59:04 evnt BINKIT JSBinkP/1.106 callout to 618:250/19@micronet started 8/18 08:59:04 evnt BINKIT Connection to f19.n250.z618.example.com:24554 failed. 8/18 08:59:04 evnt BINKIT Attempting callout for 618:250/17@micronet, file: /sbbs/fido/out.26a/00fa0011.flo
[...]
8/18 08:59:25 evnt BINKIT Attempting poll for node 21:1/10@fsxnet
8/18 08:59:25 evnt BINKIT JSBinkP/1.106 callout to 21:1/10@fsxnet started
8/18 08:59:26 evnt BINKIT Peer version: binkd/1.1a-89/Win32 binkp/1.1
8/18 08:59:27 evnt BINKIT Will encrypt session.
8/18 08:59:27 evnt BINKIT Authentication successful: secure
[...]

The first node was attempted using the "address method" of trying to connect rather than using the binkphost listed in sbbsecho.ini. I had noticed this happening in the past and thought that binkit would always make a second attempt during the session using the binkphost. However, this morning I noticed that it did not. For some reason, it chose to attempt to use the net/node to resolve about half the nodes (even though all have binkphost entries) and used the binkphost entries for the other half.

Seeing as how most of my othernet connections are not supported by the net/node method, I would prefer it not do this. :)

It appears that it uses the net/node method whenever there is mail waiting here to go out (i.e. it finds a flo file). The node above that it made a proper connection with, 21:1/10, did not have a flo waiting, so it used the address in the ini file.

In the ini file both nodes appear to have similar settings... status, binkpoll, etc.

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Re: binkit address selection issue
By: Dumas Walker to All on Sat Aug 18 2018 09:12 am

A couple of examples from a recent call-out:

8/18 08:59:04 evnt BINKIT JSBinkP/1.106 callout to 618:250/19@micronet started 8/18 08:59:04 evnt BINKIT Connection to f19.n250.z618.example.com:24554 failed. 8/18 08:59:04 evnt BINKIT Attempting callout for 618:250/17@micronet, file: /sbbs/fido/out.26a/00fa0011.flo

The first node was attempted using the "address method" of trying to connect rather than using the binkphost listed in sbbsecho.ini.

Do you actually have "618:250/19@micronet" in your sbbsecho.ini, or just "618:250/19"?

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The first node was attempted using the "address method" of trying to connec
rather than using the binkphost listed in sbbsecho.ini.

Do you actually have "618:250/19@micronet" in your sbbsecho.ini, or just "618:250/19"?

I have the "@micronet" for that node.

It would appear that the nodes that used the binkphost setting instead do
not have the domain included on their entries. I took it off due to the
issue I was having with tickit.

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Re: binkit address selection
By: Dumas Walker to DIGITAL MAN on Sun Aug 19 2018 08:00 am

The first node was attempted using the "address method" of trying to connec
rather than using the binkphost listed in sbbsecho.ini.

Do you actually have "618:250/19@micronet" in your sbbsecho.ini, or just "618:250/19"?

I have the "@micronet" for that node.

It would appear that the nodes that used the binkphost setting instead do not have the domain included on their entries. I took it off due to the issue I was having with tickit.

So if you remove the "@micronet" it works as expected?

What you called the "net/node method" is actually the "DNS method", so if you need more help (e.g. from deuce in irc.synchro.net), you know know what to call it. :-)

digital man

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I have the "@micronet" for that node.

It would appear that the nodes that used the binkphost setting instead do not have the domain included on their entries. I took it off due to the issue I was having with tickit.

So if you remove the "@micronet" it works as expected?

I am not sure about that. It appears to happen with nodes that have a flo waiting, but maybe only the ones with a flo and a domain.

Actually, the node in question had been able to poll here for mail until sometime this weekend. I did not change anything in the sbbsecho.ini file,
and he apparently did not change anything on his end either (he is running binkp/d) but now he is getting CRAM-MD5 and/or bad password errors. His password is the same as it always has been on this end.

I tried updating exec earlier today... got a newer version of binkit.js but
it still did not help.

Ironically, he has made an actual connection or two that was successful
amid more failures than I can count.

Does binkit log its activity anywhere? I have checked /data/logs and only
see sbbs activity.

I removed his node entirely from sbbsecho.ini, so I would assume that
binkit should have no expectation about any passwords, yet here is what I
see in the console from just now:

8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT connection accepted from: 107.181.135.102
port 34712
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT BinkIT/2.7 invoked with options:
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT JSBinkP/1.109 inbound connection from 107.181.135.102:34712
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT Peer version: binkd/1.0.4/Linux binkp/1.1
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT Will encrypt session.
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT Inbound session for: 618:250/19@micronet
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT CRAM-MD5 password mismatch for 618:250/19@micronet (expected: CRAM-MD5-aa34d00b811cf18992adf16b27a08311, received: CRAM-MD5-ccbd2e010e2e2b3875fc438b2c37fa2b)
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT Sending M_ERR command args: Password mismatch 8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT service thread terminated (0 clients remain,
0 total, 224 served)

So how does binkit know what to "expect" when sbbsecho.ini has the entry removed?

What you called the "net/node method" is actually the "DNS method", so if you need more help (e.g. from deuce in irc.synchro.net), you know know what to cal
it. :-)

Thanks! I will remember that.

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Re: binkit address selection
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 19 2018 13:04:36

What you called the "net/node method" is actually the "DNS method", so if yo need more help (e.g. from deuce in irc.synchro.net), you know know what to c it. :-)

I left a message in there. It said umpteen people were in there, including deuce, but I don't think any of them were really there. Also, the instructions are so long and scroll by so fast it was very frustrating for a first time user to figure out what is going on or how to use it.

I left my email addy.

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> > It would appear that the nodes that used the binkphost setting instead do

not have the domain included on their entries. I took it off due to the issue I was having with tickit.

So if you remove the "@micronet" it works as expected?

What you called the "net/node method" is actually the "DNS method", so if you need more help (e.g. from deuce in irc.synchro.net), you know know what to call it. :-)

I happened to scroll to the very bottom of my sbbsecho.ini file and found the culprit for both issues. I have sometimes notices that one of the utility pgms (not sure if it is tickit or sbbsecho's areafix functions or what) will alter the sbbsecho.ini file.

In this case, I had one entry that I had added for 618:250/19@micronet that had all of the pertinent information filled in. Some other process had added an entry at the bottom of sbbsecho.ini (below all the echolist and domain entries) that contained only the following two lines:

[node:618:250/19]
Name = Nigel Reed

And that was it. I deleted those two lines and binkit is now using the correct entry instead of the rogue one.

Now my outbound calls use the binkphost entry instead of the DNS lookup, and his inbound calls are no longer giving the false "incorrect password" errors.

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Re: binkit address selection
By: Dumas Walker to DIGITAL MAN on Sun Aug 19 2018 07:28 pm

I have the "@micronet" for that node.

It would appear that the nodes that used the binkphost setting instead do not have the domain included on their entries. I took it off due to the issue I was having with tickit.

So if you remove the "@micronet" it works as expected?

I am not sure about that. It appears to happen with nodes that have a flo waiting, but maybe only the ones with a flo and a domain.

Actually, the node in question had been able to poll here for mail until sometime this weekend. I did not change anything in the sbbsecho.ini file, and he apparently did not change anything on his end either (he is running binkp/d) but now he is getting CRAM-MD5 and/or bad password errors. His password is the same as it always has been on this end.

Something changed. :-)

I tried updating exec earlier today... got a newer version of binkit.js but it still did not help.

Ironically, he has made an actual connection or two that was successful
amid more failures than I can count.

Does binkit log its activity anywhere? I have checked /data/logs and only see sbbs activity.

For outgoing connections, the BinkIt log output goes wherever you have timed event log output going. On Windows, by default, that's just your sbbsctrl->Events window.

For incoming connections, the BinkIt log output goes wherever you have services log output going (e.g. sbbsctrl->Services).

I removed his node entirely from sbbsecho.ini, so I would assume that
binkit should have no expectation about any passwords, yet here is what I see in the console from just now:

8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT connection accepted from: 107.181.135.102 port 34712
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT BinkIT/2.7 invoked with options:
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT JSBinkP/1.109 inbound connection from 107.181.135.102:34712
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT Peer version: binkd/1.0.4/Linux binkp/1.1 8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT Will encrypt session.
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT Inbound session for: 618:250/19@micronet
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT CRAM-MD5 password mismatch for 618:250/19@micronet (expected: CRAM-MD5-aa34d00b811cf18992adf16b27a08311, received: CRAM-MD5-ccbd2e010e2e2b3875fc438b2c37fa2b)
8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT Sending M_ERR command args: Password mismatch 8/19 19:23:24 srvc 0066 BinkIT service thread terminated (0 clients remain, 0 total, 224 served)

So how does binkit know what to "expect" when sbbsecho.ini has the entry removed?

Most likely he sent a password and the expected match was against a "blank" password - which is CRAM-MD5 computed as just '-' (per the binkP spec).

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Re: binkit address selection
By: Dumas Walker to Digital Man on Sun Aug 19 2018 07:43 pm

Re: binkit address selection
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 19 2018 13:04:36

What you called the "net/node method" is actually the "DNS method", so if yo need more help (e.g. from deuce in irc.synchro.net), you know know what to c it. :-)

I left a message in there. It said umpteen people were in there, including deuce, but I don't think any of them were really there. Also, the instructions are so long and scroll by so fast it was very frustrating for a first time user to figure out what is going on or how to use it.

Many people (including myself) keep an IRC client open most/all of the time and check it periodically for interesting/directed discussion.

I left my email addy.

Hopefully Deuce sees it, but normally you would hang-out and wait for a reply and discussion.

digital man

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Re: binkit address selection
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Mon Aug 20 2018 13:16:51

Many people (including myself) keep an IRC client open most/all of the time check it periodically for interesting/directed discussion.

I am an irc novice. I was using the built-in synchronet "client" via telnet. I did not see any way to scroll back the conversation. So, I am wondering, if you keep that one open and are not actively watching it, how can you see any directed discussion that might have scrolled-off?

Thanks!

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Re: irc
By: Dumas Walker to Digital Man on Tue Aug 21 2018 06:36 pm

I am an irc novice. I was using the built-in synchronet "client" via telnet I did not see any way to scroll back the conversation. So, I am wondering, you keep that one open and are not actively watching it, how can you see any directed discussion that might have scrolled-off?

There are several IRC programes you can use, I myself prefer hexchat and I run it on my Raspberry PI.
I have it running outwestbbs-bot on synchronet and outwestbbs irc channels. then I just VNC in and can read all that has happened everyday.

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Re: irc
By: Dumas Walker to Digital Man on Tue Aug 21 2018 06:36 pm

Re: binkit address selection
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Mon Aug 20 2018 13:16:51

Many people (including myself) keep an IRC client open most/all of the time check it periodically for interesting/directed discussion.

I am an irc novice. I was using the built-in synchronet "client" via telnet. I did not see any way to scroll back the conversation. So, I am wondering, if you keep that one open and are not actively watching it, how can you see any directed discussion that might have scrolled-off?

just get something like hexchat.
i have a small list of clients here. http://irc.bbses.info
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There are several IRC programes you can use, I myself prefer hexchat and I run
it on my Raspberry PI.
I have it running outwestbbs-bot on synchronet and outwestbbs irc channels. then I just VNC in and can read all that has happened everyday.

I shall have to check into that. Thanks.

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Re: irc
By: Dumas Walker to Digital Man on Tue Aug 21 2018 06:36 pm

Re: binkit address selection
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Mon Aug 20 2018 13:16:51

Many people (including myself) keep an IRC client open most/all of the time check it periodically for interesting/directed discussion.

I am an irc novice. I was using the built-in synchronet "client" via telnet. I did not see any way to scroll back the conversation. So, I am wondering, if you keep that one open and are not actively watching it, how can you see any directed discussion that might have scrolled-off?

Use the scrollback buffer of your terminal client (e.g. Alt-B in SyncTERM)?

Most IRC users use dedicated clients however (e.g. mIRC on Windows) so you can IRC and BBS at the same time. :-)

digital man

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Re: irc
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Wed Aug 22 2018 04:44 pm

Most IRC users use dedicated clients however (e.g. mIRC on Windows) so you can IRC and BBS at the same time. :-)

I think an interesting side-effect of internet BBSing, at least for the sysop, is that you can set up pretty much as many nodes for your BBS as you want and be logged into the BBS multiple times. As the sysop, you could potentially be logged in and in IRC on one node and logged in on another node doing other stuff. But yeah, I'd prefer a dedicated IRC client.

Back in the day, I used mIRC so much that I ended up buying a registration code for it. I think mIRC's registration codes are always valid for all future versions.. I don't use IRC much anymore though.

Nightfox

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Re: irc
By: Dumas Walker to Digital Man on Tue Aug 21 2018 06:36 pm

I am an irc novice. I was using the built-in synchronet "client" via telnet. I did not see any way to scroll back the conversation. So, I am wondering, if you keep that one open and are not actively watching it, how can you see any directed discussion that might have scrolled-off?

I will sometimes connect to IRC using Adium on my Mac, and just leave it open. When I'm home from work or whatever, I might peek in to see if anyone was talking in #synchronet or whatever.

I also saw Blocktronics share a link to a Shooter Jennings interview on the Joe Rogan podcast in which he talked for several minutes about BBSes and IRC and stuff. I knew about the BCR Games server, but didn't realize he was also running an IRC server and other stuff. Logged in and checked it out today.
Sure enough, Shooter does pop in from time to time.

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just get something like hexchat.

Got it, so far so good.

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On 08-22-18 17:03, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-

Back in the day, I used mIRC so much that I ended up buying a
registration code for it. I think mIRC's registration codes are always valid for all future versions.. I don't use IRC much anymore though.

I bought a registration too. mIRC had a half price special once, so I bought my registration then.


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Re: irc
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 22 2018 05:03 pm

Back in the day, I used mIRC so much that I ended up buying a registration code for it. I think mIRC's registration codes are always valid for all future versions.. I don't use IRC much anymore though.

Me too and I still use mIRC on Windows.

digital man

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Re: irc
By: Kirkman to Dumas Walker on Wed Aug 22 2018 09:03 pm

I also saw Blocktronics share a link to a Shooter Jennings interview on the Joe Rogan podcast in which he talked for several minutes about BBSes and IRC and stuff. I knew about the BCR Games server, but didn't realize he was also running an IRC server and other stuff. Logged in and checked it out today. Sure enough, Shooter does pop in from time to time.

He's usually lurking in #synchronet at irc.synchro.net too (as d_rebel). I'll have to check out that podcast episode now!

digital man

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Nightfox wrote:

Back in the day, I used mIRC so much that I ended up buying a registration code
for it. I think mIRC's registration codes are always valid for all future versions.. I don't use IRC much anymore though.

I also have mIRC registered. It doesn't cost much and you're right, once registered you get all updates as far as I'm aware. I used mIRC extesnively
in the 90's. I wrote one of the first scripts to use sockets when that
ability was added, around version 4.0 or something like that.

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On 08-22-18 23:47, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-

Re: irc
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 22 2018 05:03 pm

Back in the day, I used mIRC so much that I ended up buying a registration code for it. I think mIRC's registration codes are always valid for all future versions.. I don't use IRC much anymore though.

Me too and I still use mIRC on Windows.

I haven't been on IRC in ages, but I'm likely to drag out mIRC next time I get on IRC.


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I also saw Blocktronics share a link to a Shooter Jennings interview on the Joe
Rogan podcast in which he talked for several minutes about BBSes and IRC and >stuff. I knew about the BCR Games server, but didn't realize he was also >running an IRC server and other stuff. Logged in and checked it out today. >Sure enough, Shooter does pop in from time to time.

That is pretty cool! :)

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On 2018 Aug 21 18:36:16, you wrote to Digital Man:

Many people (including myself) keep an IRC client open most/all of the
time check it periodically for interesting/directed discussion.

I am an irc novice. I was using the built-in synchronet "client" via telnet. I did not see any way to scroll back the conversation. So, I
am wondering, if you keep that one open and are not actively watching
it, how can you see any directed discussion that might have
scrolled-off?

you are connected via a terminal program, right? it should have a scroll-back buffer... i know syncterm and netrunner both have one... so do all the old-school terminals like telix, procomm, and others...

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