• Syncterm packages

    From Al@VERT/TRMB to All on Sunday, April 08, 2018 19:57:17
    I heard in todays techdorks episode about packages for Synchronet or SyncTERM. I'm going to try putting together a .SlackBuild for SyncTERM and if I can do it I'll upload it to slackbuilds.org.

    That will only be interesting to folks running slackware but it would be a good thing.

    I maintain a few slackbuilds now but they were taken over from others so I just picked up where they left off.. the .SlackBuild already existed. I'll need to create a fresh .SlackBuild from a template and get started.

    In the case of the packages I maintain there is a confugure script that can be used to set options like --prefix that I don't see for SyncTERM. I can also do the same thing with options on the make command line. Does SyncTERM have such an option for the make command line?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to AL on Monday, April 09, 2018 20:03:00
    I heard in todays techdorks episode about packages for Synchronet or SyncTERM. >I'm going to try putting together a .SlackBuild for SyncTERM and if I can do it
    I'll upload it to slackbuilds.org.

    Did they mention if there are builds of Syncterm for other distros?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dumas Walker on Monday, April 09, 2018 22:35:21
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dumas Walker to AL on Mon Apr 09 2018 08:03 pm

    I heard in todays techdorks episode about packages for Synchronet or SyncTERM. >I'm going to try putting together a .SlackBuild for SyncTERM and if I can do it
    I'll upload it to slackbuilds.org.

    Did they mention if there are builds of Syncterm for other distros?

    We don't really have distro-specific builds of SyncTERM (or Synchronet) now.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, April 10, 2018 00:48:30
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dumas Walker to AL on Mon Apr 09 2018 08:03 pm

    I heard in todays techdorks episode about packages for Synchronet or
    SyncTERM. I'm going to try putting together a .SlackBuild for SyncTERM
    and if I can do it I'll upload it to slackbuilds.org.

    Did they mention if there are builds of Syncterm for other distros?

    They didn't mention that in the techdorks episode but I imagine there are builds around. There are a few on syncterm.bbsdev.net.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From Marisag@VERT to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, April 10, 2018 09:30:05
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dumas Walker to AL on Mon Apr 09 2018 20:03:00

    I do a daily build of syncterm for 32-bit linux, tested on ubuntu...
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DIGITAL MAN on Tuesday, April 10, 2018 18:54:00
    We don't really have distro-specific builds of SyncTERM (or Synchronet) now.

    I did not think so, which is why I asked. :) Thanks!

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MARISAG on Tuesday, April 10, 2018 18:55:00
    I do a daily build of syncterm for 32-bit linux, tested on ubuntu...

    Where is it available?

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  • From Marisag@VERT to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, April 11, 2018 14:34:33
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dumas Walker to MARISAG on Tue Apr 10 2018 18:55:00

    Where is it available?

    https://synchronetbbs.org/syncterm_daily

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Marisag on Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:49:46
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Marisag to Dumas Walker on Tue Apr 10 2018 09:30 am

    I do a daily build of syncterm for 32-bit linux, tested on ubuntu...

    Is there a compelling reason to run 32-bit Linux these days, rather than 64-bit Linux? From what I had heard, I thought even DOS doors could run in DOSEMU on a 64-bit Linux?

    Nightfox

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  • From Marisag@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, April 11, 2018 20:53:59
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Nightfox
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Nightfox to Marisag on Wed Apr 11 2018 10:49:46

    Is there a compelling reason to run 32-bit Linux these days, rather than 64-bit Linux? From what I had heard, I thought even DOS doors could run in DOSEMU on a 64-bit Linux?

    Yes, on 32-bit only hardware ;)
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Wednesday, April 11, 2018 19:06:00
    Is there a compelling reason to run 32-bit Linux these days, rather than 64-bit
    Linux? From what I had heard, I thought even DOS doors could run in DOSEMU on >a 64-bit Linux?

    I would say only if you have a 32-bit box that you don't plan to do
    anything else with but run a BBS on (like I do, <GRIN>).

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  • From Marisag@VERT to Dumas Walker on Thursday, April 12, 2018 05:23:48
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Apr 11 2018 19:06:00

    I would say only if you have a 32-bit box that you don't plan to do
    anything else with but run a BBS on (like I do, <GRIN>).

    Exactly my reason ;)

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Thursday, April 12, 2018 08:46:56
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Apr 11 2018 07:06 pm

    Is there a compelling reason to run 32-bit Linux these days, rather
    than 64-bit Linux? From what I had heard, I thought even DOS doors
    could run in DOSEMU on a 64-bit Linux?



    I would say only if you have a 32-bit box that you don't plan to do anything else with but run a BBS on (like I do, <GRIN>).

    My BBS Box is also 32 bit, got it on Ebay for $13 so far it's been solid.

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  • From Lockery@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Thursday, April 12, 2018 07:59:47
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    Can you run the 32bit package on 64bit?

    Thanks,
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Marisag on Thursday, April 12, 2018 09:42:43
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Marisag to Nightfox on Wed Apr 11 2018 08:53 pm

    Is there a compelling reason to run 32-bit Linux these days, rather
    than 64-bit Linux? From what I had heard, I thought even DOS doors
    could run in DOSEMU on a 64-bit Linux?

    Yes, on 32-bit only hardware ;)

    Well yes, I can see that... :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Marisag@VERT to Lockery on Thursday, April 12, 2018 17:27:30
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    To: Lockery
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Lockery to alt.bbs.synchronet on Thu Apr 12 2018 07:59:47

    Can you run the 32bit package on 64bit?

    Yes, if you have to but it does not support ssh connections..

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  • From Lockery@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Thursday, April 12, 2018 13:27:40
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    Thanks, I will need to build from source then.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Lockery on Thursday, April 12, 2018 16:56:47
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Lockery to alt.bbs.synchronet on Thu Apr 12 2018 07:59 am

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    Can you run the 32bit package on 64bit?

    Thanks,
    Stan


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DENN on Friday, April 13, 2018 20:50:00
    I would say only if you have a 32-bit box that you don't plan to do anything else with but run a BBS on (like I do, <GRIN>).

    My BBS Box is also 32 bit, got it on Ebay for $13 so far it's been solid.

    A neighbor left this box at the curb. I figured it might be a good parts
    box. Turns out it was a fully functioning machine. Only thing I can
    figure is that maybe WinXP got a virus, or they bought a new one and had
    no use for this one.

    Either way, I was slapping debian on it so whatever they thought was wrong
    with it was no concern to me. :)

    The box it replaced was one I got off of retrobox.com for pretty cheap.
    They sold surplus machines for companies that were upgrading, downsizing,
    going out of business, etc. I am not sure if they are in business any more
    or not.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sunday, April 15, 2018 07:43:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to DENN <=-

    A neighbor left this box at the curb. I figured it might be a good
    parts box. Turns out it was a fully functioning machine. Only thing I can figure is that maybe WinXP got a virus, or they bought a new one
    and had no use for this one.

    That happened to me years ago, found a mostly functional PC left out for trash on the side of the road. Rescued it, got it going with Linux and it did service as a server for a few years. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Sunday, April 15, 2018 08:50:16
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Fri Apr 13 2018 08:50 pm

    They sold surplus machines for companies that were upgrading, downsizing, going out of business, etc. I am not sure if they are in business any more or not.

    Looks like retrobox.com is parked and for sale. Bummer, sounded good. I've been looking for a new low-end desktop for my BBS, wanted to try somewhere else other than newegg.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tony Langdon on Sunday, April 15, 2018 08:53:47
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 15 2018 07:43 am

    That happened to me years ago, found a mostly functional PC left out for trash on the side of the road. Rescued it, got it going with Linux and it did service as a server for a few years. :)

    I haven't found any road PCs, but pride myself on the fact that I hadn't bought a computer for my BBS in 15 years of operation. I'd gotten cast-offs from the companies I'd worked at - not suitable for corporate work any more, but perfectly fine for the BBS.

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  • From Jay Allshire@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, April 15, 2018 13:09:26
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 15 2018 08:50 am

    Looks like retrobox.com is parked and for sale. Bummer, sounded good. I've been looking for a new low-end desktop for my BBS, wanted to try somewhere else other than newegg.


    Have you looked at Tiger Direct to see what the have?

    www.tigerdirect.com


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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, April 15, 2018 15:22:02
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 15 2018 08:50 am

    Looks like retrobox.com is parked and for sale. Bummer, sounded good. I've been looking for a new low-end desktop for my BBS, wanted to try somewhere else other than newegg.

    I've been looking for a low-end machine myself. I used to have hardware everywhere - but nowadays I have my Surface and that is just about it. Everything else is either in the cloud or online. Now that I want to get back more into the hobbyist mode I'm finding it can be crazy expensive for some of this so-called retro hardware (or even small form factor Windows 7 era hardware).

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, April 16, 2018 07:19:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I haven't found any road PCs, but pride myself on the fact that I
    hadn't bought a computer for my BBS in 15 years of operation. I'd
    gotten cast-offs from the companies I'd worked at - not suitable for corporate work any more, but perfectly fine for the BBS.

    My main system was a homebrew creation that started live as a twin floppy XT clone, which I built up out of parts I scrounged in 1991. Over the next 9-10 years, it gradually evolved into a 486 with several gigs of storage. Can't recall how much RAM it ended up with. ;) This machine did run the BBS in its XT days too. :) Before that, the machine ran a basic IP server (telnet/FTP/email) and multiprotocol router on packet radio, linking eastern Victoria to Melbourne for a while. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Jay Allshire on Sunday, April 15, 2018 16:41:20
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Jay Allshire to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 15 2018 01:09 pm

    Have you looked at Tiger Direct to see what the have?

    Looking now. Thanks for the tip!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dmxrob on Sunday, April 15, 2018 16:42:55
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 15 2018 03:22 pm

    I've been looking for a low-end machine myself. I used to have hardware everywhere - but nowadays I have my Surface and that is just about it. Everything else is either in the cloud or online. Now that I want to get back more into the hobbyist mode I'm finding it can be crazy expensive for some of this so-called retro hardware (or even small form factor Windows 7 era hardware).

    Yeah, for the BBS running 32 bit Windows 7, a Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of RAM and 160 GB of disk is just perfect. I'd go even lower, but it seems like that spec is a sweet spot. Any slower-older and they get more expensive.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jay Allshire on Sunday, April 15, 2018 20:57:20
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Jay Allshire to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 15 2018 01:09 pm



    Have you looked at Tiger Direct to see what the have?

    www.tigerdirect.com


    tigerdirect was my goto website for building a computer, but they are now owned by another company yet again and it shows.
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  • From Mojo@VERT/MOJO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, April 15, 2018 23:10:32
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jay Allshire on Sun Apr 15 2018 04:41 pm

    Have you looked at Tiger Direct to see what the have?

    Looking now. Thanks for the tip!


    I have made purchases there it is not a bad place to do business with.

    Your welcome
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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, April 16, 2018 18:24:00
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dmxrob on Sun Apr 15 2018 04:42 pm

    Yeah, for the BBS running 32 bit Windows 7, a Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of RAM and 160 GB of disk is just perfect. I'd go even lower, but it seems like that spec is a sweet spot. Any slower-older and they get more expensive.

    My goal was to spend $50 or less, and over lunch today I just happened to be on ebay when up popped a refurbished HP SFF i5 PC @ 3.1ghz, 4GB RAM and 500GB hard drive. Even inlcuded a copy of Win 7 x64 for $59, shipping included. So I jumped on it.

    Is there anything to be aware of running a 64-bit copy of Win 7 vs. 32-bit? I believe there may be some change in WIndows that needs to be triggered to get 32-bit doors to run, etc.


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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to MRO on Monday, April 16, 2018 18:25:17
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: MRO to Jay Allshire on Sun Apr 15 2018 08:57 pm

    tigerdirect was my goto website for building a computer, but they are now owned by another company yet again and it shows.

    I, too, started out with TigerDirect, then for a while was getting some kick-arse deals from Dell, and eventually migrated over to Newegg to build-my-own.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dmxrob on Monday, April 16, 2018 18:11:13
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 16 2018 06:24 pm

    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dmxrob on Sun Apr 15 2018 04:42 pm

    Yeah, for the BBS running 32 bit Windows 7, a Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of RAM and 160 GB of disk is just perfect. I'd go even lower, but it seems like that spec is a sweet spot. Any slower-older and they get more expensive.

    My goal was to spend $50 or less, and over lunch today I just happened to be on ebay when up popped a refurbished HP SFF i5 PC @ 3.1ghz, 4GB RAM and 500GB hard drive. Even inlcuded a copy of Win 7 x64 for $59, shipping included. So I jumped on it.

    Is there anything to be aware of running a 64-bit copy of Win 7 vs. 32-bit? I believe there may be some change in WIndows that needs to be triggered to get 32-bit doors to run, etc.

    32-bit doors should run fine on both 64-bit (x64) and 32-bit Windows.
    16-bit (MS-DOS) doors, however, won't run on 64-bit.

    digital man

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dmxrob on Monday, April 16, 2018 21:44:09
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 16 2018 06:24 pm

    My goal was to spend $50 or less, and over lunch today I just happened to be on ebay when up popped a refurbished HP SFF i5 PC @ 3.1ghz, 4GB RAM and 500GB hard drive. Even inlcuded a copy of Win 7 x64 for $59, shipping included. So I jumped on it.

    Is there anything to be aware of running a 64-bit copy of Win 7 vs. 32-bit? I believe there may be some change in WIndows that needs to be triggered to get 32-bit doors to run, etc.

    32-bit apps are fine, 16-bit DOS apps won't run. With only 4 GB, you might want to put 32-bit Windows on it if you have DOS doors or apps to run.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Dmxrob on Tuesday, April 17, 2018 22:36:31
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 16 2018 18:24:00

    Is there anything to be aware of running a 64-bit copy of Win 7 vs. 32-bit? I believe there may be some change in WIndows that needs to be triggered to get 32-bit doors to run, etc.

    Windows 7 is not supported anymore for security updates... which is if you ask me important as you connect it to the internet.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 17, 2018 19:33:00
    Looks like retrobox.com is parked and for sale. Bummer, sounded good. I've been
    looking for a new low-end desktop for my BBS, wanted to try somewhere else >other than newegg.

    Yeah, I think someone bought out retrobox and then completely changed the business. Last time I tried it, several years ago, it was still there but
    had changed a lot. The surplus equipment had got much more expensive, for starters.

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to HAWKEYE on Wednesday, April 18, 2018 00:29:00
    Windows 7 is not supported anymore for security updates... which is if you as H>me important as you connect it to the internet.

    Both my Mom and I have Windows 7 32-bit on our computers, and we still
    get updates at least twice a month.

    After all the problems I've heard with Windows 8 and 10 (which may be
    Windows 9 in disguise), I have no desire to upgrade the OS. As the old
    saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

    Micr0$0ft is just another example of corporate greed.

    Daryl

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hawkeye on Wednesday, April 18, 2018 06:44:02
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Hawkeye to Dmxrob on Tue Apr 17 2018 10:36 pm

    Windows 7 is not supported anymore for security updates... which is if you ask me important as you connect it to the internet.

    I think you mean XP. Windows 7 is supported under basic support until 2020 - don't have the term in front of me.

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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, April 18, 2018 21:34:23
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Apr 17 2018 07:33 pm

    had changed a lot. The surplus equipment had got much more expensive, for starters.

    This is what is happening everywhere. I saw the price of some Tandy 1000's on ebay are selling for more than what they cost new! Crazy.


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Daryl Stout on Thursday, April 19, 2018 11:52:27
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Daryl Stout to HAWKEYE on Wed Apr 18 2018 00:29:00

    Both my Mom and I have Windows 7 32-bit on our computers, and we still
    get updates at least twice a month.

    Sorry, the date is 14 januari 2020, then the security updates will stop. Mainstream support (non security patches) are stopped on 13 januari 2015 (if you have SP1 otherwise even earlier).

    As long as you use older hardware it's no problem but if you want to use newer hardware it's possible it's not supported and/or working on Windows 7.

    I see you use 32 bit versions. Some newer applications only come out in 64 bit editions.


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, April 19, 2018 11:56:03
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hawkeye on Wed Apr 18 2018 06:44:02

    I think you mean XP. Windows 7 is supported under basic support until 2020 - don't have the term in front of me

    Basic support ended 13 januari 2015 (just checked it). They call this mainstream support. I was confused indeed.

    The security updates are done via Extended Support which is till 14 januari 2020.

    That gave me the confusion. I knew some support was ended. I don't want only security updates but also bug fixes and the support for newer hardware.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to HAWKEYE on Thursday, April 19, 2018 15:48:00
    Sorry, the date is 14 januari 2020, then the security updates will stop. H>Mainstream support (non security patches) are stopped on 13 januari 2015 (if H>you have SP1 otherwise even earlier).

    I have the latest version...bought Windows 7 Professional for my
    computer, and my Mom's Desktop Computer...and Windows Home Professional
    for my laptop...all off of Amazon.

    As long as you use older hardware it's no problem but if you want to use newe H>hardware it's possible it's not supported and/or working on Windows 7.

    As long as our hardware and software are working, we're not going to
    replace them.

    I see you use 32 bit versions. Some newer applications only come out in 64 bi H>editions.

    Yeah, I realize that. But, my Mom depends on me as her "computer
    guru", for getting programs, updates, etc.

    Daryl

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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to Hawkeye on Thursday, April 19, 2018 18:29:25
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Hawkeye to Daryl Stout on Thu Apr 19 2018 11:52 am

    Sorry, the date is 14 januari 2020, then the security updates will stop. Mainstream support (non security patches) are stopped on 13 januari 2015 (if you have SP1 otherwise even earlier).

    Here is some fun trivia for you... IBM still supports IBM PC-DOS. You would be surprised how many customers of theirs still have DOS based PCs.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DMXROB on Thursday, April 19, 2018 20:42:00
    This is what is happening everywhere. I saw the price of some Tandy 1000's on >ebay are selling for more than what they cost new! Crazy.

    If anyone can see it as a collector's item, that'll happen. I cannot see a generic, used P3 or P4 machine being much of a collector's item but, then again, maybe I do not realize the value of those machines I am using as
    risers in the basement. :)

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dmxrob on Thursday, April 19, 2018 22:57:46
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to Hawkeye on Thu Apr 19 2018 06:29 pm

    Here is some fun trivia for you... IBM still supports IBM PC-DOS. You would be surprised how many customers of theirs still have DOS based PCs.

    and I bet they don't have to worry about virus's much.

    Sometimes I boot up a dos vm just to relive the past, then I come back to reality:)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dmxrob on Friday, April 20, 2018 15:54:43
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to Hawkeye on Thu Apr 19 2018 06:29 pm

    Here is some fun trivia for you... IBM still supports IBM PC-DOS. You would be surprised how many customers of theirs still have DOS based PCs.

    I wonder if they still provide OS/2 support? I was a telecom manager in a former life, and it seemed that every small business running an Avaya PBX had a beige box PC running OS/2 and Octel voicemail on it.

    Usually, with 1 ATA drive, no redundant hardware, and no backup. :(

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Denn on Friday, April 20, 2018 17:44:00
    Denn wrote to Dmxrob <=-.

    and I bet they don't have to worry about virus's much.

    Might still be ping pong or stoned around. :D

    Sometimes I boot up a dos vm just to relive the past, then I come back
    to reality:)

    I don't have a copy of MS-DOS or PC-DOS around, only FreeDOS.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tony Langdon on Saturday, April 21, 2018 12:24:50
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Denn on Fri Apr 20 2018 05:44 pm

    Denn wrote to Dmxrob <=-.

    and I bet they don't have to worry about virus's much.

    Might still be ping pong or stoned around. :D

    Sometimes I boot up a dos vm just to relive the past, then I come back to reality:)

    I don't have a copy of MS-DOS or PC-DOS around, only FreeDOS.


    you can download it.

    but why bother.
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to MRO on Sunday, April 22, 2018 06:35:00
    MRO wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I don't have a copy of MS-DOS or PC-DOS around, only FreeDOS.


    you can download it.

    but why bother.

    Yes, I know, and unless one has a need for a genuine copy of MS-DOS for some reason, I agree.


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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to Tony Langdon on Saturday, April 21, 2018 21:50:56
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to MRO on Sun Apr 22 2018 06:35 am

    I don't have a copy of MS-DOS or PC-DOS around, only FreeDOS.
    you can download it.
    Yes, I know, and unless one has a need for a genuine copy of MS-DOS for some reason, I agree.


    Seems like only yesterday I was booting up to the then new MS-DOS 2.11 on my Tandy 1000HX

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Dmxrob on Sunday, April 22, 2018 19:40:00
    Dmxrob wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Seems like only yesterday I was booting up to the then new MS-DOS 2.11
    on my Tandy 1000HX

    I wouldn't say that, but time does fly when you're having fun. I had a Tandy 000 once. Was a reliable machine.


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  • From Moon Raker@VERT/TIME to Tony Langdon on Monday, April 23, 2018 03:14:18
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Dmxrob on Sun Apr 22 2018 07:40 pm

    Seems like only yesterday I was booting up to the then new MS-DOS 2.11 on my Tandy 1000HX

    I think my good version of dos the one I remember was 6.22 I don't remember before that for dos anyway.

    Yeah remember those CONFIS.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files? My first kind of multitask enviroment was 0S-9
    on the Tandy CoCo III. See before windows ever came out..

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to MOON RAKER on Monday, April 23, 2018 10:07:00
    Yeah remember those CONFIS.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files? My first kind of mul MR>on the Tandy CoCo III. See before windows ever came out..

    One former female Sysop had no idea what the CONFIG.SYS and
    AUTOEXEC.BAT files were for. I wondered why she was even running a BBS.

    Daryl

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Moon Raker on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 07:30:00
    Moon Raker wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I think my good version of dos the one I remember was 6.22 I don't remember before that for dos anyway.

    6.22 was one of the well liked DOS versions, stood up pretty well in its day. I first used DOS 2.0 and 2.1. I did see DOS 1.0 once, but never really used it. That was before DOS had directories and file handles, both of which it inherited from Unix.

    Yeah remember those CONFIS.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files? My first kind

    Yep, know those two files well. :D

    of multitask enviroment was 0S-9
    on the Tandy CoCo III. See before windows ever came out..

    No, I never used OS-9, though I had heard of it. My first multitasking enviroment was Desqview, closely followed by Windows 3.1x and then OS/2. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 07:41:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to MOON RAKER <=-

    One former female Sysop had no idea what the CONFIG.SYS and
    AUTOEXEC.BAT files were for. I wondered why she was even running a BBS.

    One wonders how she managed to run it, though of course, could have had someone else do the tech stuff. I remember endless hours tweaking CONFIG.SYS (often with the help of QEMM) to get the most out of my systems, loading the right drivers (FOSSIL, etc) and generally getting the system readi in those two files, before passing control to the BBS.BAT that ran the show. :-)

    Oh and that was after all the hardware hacking - like getting IRQs sorted, which in some cases meand cutting tracks and rejumpering by soldering a wire bridge on add in serial cards, because they didn't always have IRQ jumpers for COM3 and COM4. Assigning IRQs became a bit of a black art after soundcards came along and gobbled a couple up. :)


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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to Daryl Stout on Monday, April 23, 2018 18:41:24
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Daryl Stout to MOON RAKER on Mon Apr 23 2018 10:07 am

    One former female Sysop had no idea what the CONFIG.SYS and
    AUTOEXEC.BAT files were for. I wondered why she was even running a BBS.

    DEVICE=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS
    DEVICE=c:\QEMM\QEMM386.sys

    Those two lines alone were a big part of the 90s for me ;-)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Monday, April 23, 2018 17:17:53
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Moon Raker on Tue Apr 24 2018 07:30 am

    6.22 was one of the well liked DOS versions, stood up pretty well in its day.

    I remember there being a lawsuit against Microsoft from Stacker regarding the drive compression software Microsoft was using. I think MS-DOS 6.00 included Microsoft's drive compression tool (DoubleSpace?), 6.2 had an improved DoubleSpace which was removed in 6.21, and then 6.22 added DriveSpace, which was Microsoft's new drive compression software.

    I first used DOS 2.0 and 2.1. I did see DOS 1.0 once, but never
    really used it. That was before DOS had directories and file handles, both of which it inherited from Unix.

    It's hard to imagine an operating system not having directories..

    The first MS-DOS I remember using was 3.31 (I think branded by another company). I remember hearing MS-DOS 4 was buggy; I went from 3.31 to 5.0. I thought the support for multiple configurations in CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT in MS-DOS 5.0 (or was it 6.0?) was pretty cool; I could set up another boot configuration that way to help run a game or other program.

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to TONY LANGDON on Monday, April 23, 2018 18:47:00
    Tony,

    One former female Sysop had no idea what the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files were for. I wondered why she was even running a BBS.

    One wonders how she managed to run it, though of course, could have had some TL>else do the tech stuff. I remember endless hours tweaking CONFIG.SYS (often TL>with the help of QEMM) to get the most out of my systems, loading the right TL>drivers (FOSSIL, etc) and generally getting the system readi in those two TL>files, before passing control to the BBS.BAT that ran the show. :-)

    Yeah, I remember all the tweaking with QEMM as well. Of course, it
    does no good on a current Windows system (it was mainly designed for
    DOS), but Quarterdeck Software went out of business long ago.

    Along that line, TeleGraphix, which pioneered RIP Graphics, went out
    of business long ago as well. One former area Sysop thought "RIP was
    what you did to a f@rt". <G>

    Oh and that was after all the hardware hacking - like getting IRQs sorted, TL>which in some cases meand cutting tracks and rejumpering by soldering a wire TL>bridge on add in serial cards, because they didn't always have IRQ jumpers f TL>COM3 and COM4. Assigning IRQs became a bit of a black art after soundcards TL>came along and gobbled a couple up. :)

    Electronics was never my forte'. I can tell you that maybe not even an
    amp of electricity will do you in...and thanks to Violet, I can tell you
    the colors on a resistor. <G>

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    Darn...missed it again!!

    Daryl

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:38:00
    Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I remember there being a lawsuit against Microsoft from Stacker
    regarding the drive compression software Microsoft was using. I think MS-DOS 6.00 included Microsoft's drive compression tool (DoubleSpace?), 6.2 had an improved DoubleSpace which was removed in 6.21, and then
    6.22 added DriveSpace, which was Microsoft's new drive compression software.

    Yes, correct. I remember the Stacker lawsuit and the incarnations of Microsoft disk compression software.

    I first used DOS 2.0 and 2.1. I did see DOS 1.0 once, but never
    really used it. That was before DOS had directories and file handles, both of which it inherited from Unix.

    It's hard to imagine an operating system not having directories..

    I used CP/M, which never had directories. If you filled up the disk directory, you had to go to USER B, from memory.

    The first MS-DOS I remember using was 3.31 (I think branded by another company). I remember hearing MS-DOS 4 was buggy; I went from 3.31 to
    5.0. I thought the support for multiple configurations in CONFIG.SYS
    and AUTOEXEC.BAT in MS-DOS 5.0 (or was it 6.0?) was pretty cool; I
    could set up another boot configuration that way to help run a game or other program.

    Yes, 4.0 was considered buggy and most people went straight to 5.x.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:41:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

    Yeah, I remember all the tweaking with QEMM as well. Of course, it
    does no good on a current Windows system (it was mainly designed for
    DOS), but Quarterdeck Software went out of business long ago.

    Yes, QEMM is redundant, now that Windows or Linux are the main OS these days.

    Along that line, TeleGraphix, which pioneered RIP Graphics, went out
    of business long ago as well. One former area Sysop thought "RIP was
    what you did to a f@rt". <G>

    I liked the concept of RIP, but it never took off here, and I never got to experience it myself.

    Electronics was never my forte'. I can tell you that maybe not even
    an amp of electricity will do you in...and thanks to Violet, I can tell you the colors on a resistor. <G>

    Haha, well, I was always a bit of a tinkerer. :)

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    Darn...missed it again!!

    You lose. :P


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Dmxrob on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:51:00
    Dmxrob wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

    DEVICE=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS
    DEVICE=c:\QEMM\QEMM386.sys

    Those two lines alone were a big part of the 90s for me ;-)

    Actually, I switched to one of the "safe" ANSI drivers during the BBS years, just in case I caught an ANSI bomb that remapped the keyboard in a nasty way.
    )


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Daryl Stout on Monday, April 23, 2018 19:39:28
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Daryl Stout to MOON RAKER on Mon Apr 23 2018 10:07 am

    One former female Sysop had no idea what the CONFIG.SYS and
    AUTOEXEC.BAT files were for. I wondered why she was even running a BBS.

    Extra credit for mangling OS/2 config.sys files. Man, they were a pain!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tony Langdon on Monday, April 23, 2018 19:42:35
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Moon Raker on Tue Apr 24 2018 07:30 am

    No, I never used OS-9, though I had heard of it. My first multitasking enviroment was Desqview, closely followed by Windows 3.1x and then OS/2. :)


    Kids these days won't know what it's like to spend hours tweaking QEMM trying to get a couple of more KB in your DOS window -- I rsan my BBS under Desqview for a time and had a bear of a time being able to make a local node work without killing the dial-up node's response. I think this was on a 386SX/16 with 4 MB of RAM...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Monday, April 23, 2018 20:00:10
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Mon Apr 23 2018 05:17 pm

    I remember there being a lawsuit against Microsoft from Stacker regarding the drive compression software Microsoft was using. I think MS-DOS 6.00 included Microsoft's drive compression tool (DoubleSpace?), 6.2 had an improved DoubleSpace which was removed in 6.21, and then 6.22 added DriveSpace, which was Microsoft's new drive compression software.

    I remember those days well. I had a friend who worked for AddStor at the time; they made a nice compression tool called AddStor that I used back when the BBS had a 32 MB drive.

    Back then, optimizing a BBS was a labor of love, I remember tweaking to get a couple of megs of disk space and a couple of KB of RAM and being quite happy with myself for it.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Tony Langdon on Monday, April 23, 2018 23:26:44
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Dmxrob on Tue Apr 24 2018 12:51 pm

    Dmxrob wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

    DEVICE=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS
    DEVICE=c:\QEMM\QEMM386.sys

    Those two lines alone were a big part of the 90s for me ;-)

    Actually, I switched to one of the "safe" ANSI drivers during the BBS years, just in case I caught an ANSI bomb that remapped the keyboard in a nasty way.

    Here's a little de-bunking of the "ANSI bomb" paranoia:
    So long as you were using a regular terminal program (e.g. Procom Plus, Telix, Telemate, etc.) and you only viewed the ANSIs on the BBS (didn't download them and "type" them in a DOS console) - you were completely safe. Those terminal programs didn't use DOS console I/O (what we would call "standard I/O" today) and therefore didn't need or use a console driver (e.g. ANSI.SYS) and thus were immune from any weird features they might support (like key redefinitions).

    digital man

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 21:19:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Kids these days won't know what it's like to spend hours tweaking QEMM trying to get a couple of more KB in your DOS window -- I rsan my BBS under Desqview for a time and had a bear of a time being able to make a local node work without killing the dial-up node's response. I think
    this was on a 386SX/16 with 4 MB of RAM...

    Yes, they have it easy these days - plug and play hardware (I remember when it was more "plug and pray", and before that, lotsa manual jumpers). And yes, I've tweaked QEMM, managed to get 736k of conventional memory, then have something like 720k free after loading DOS and TSRs! :)

    You could get more than 640k if wither:

    1. You ran QEMM and had a MDA (extra 64k) or CGA (extra 96k) card, or:

    2. You were prepared to forego VGA graphics and run in text mode only, so you could use the EGA/VGA video RAM for programs and data instead. Yes, QEMM was cool. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 21:22:00
    Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Here's a little de-bunking of the "ANSI bomb" paranoia:
    So long as you were using a regular terminal program (e.g. Procom Plus, Telix, Telemate, etc.) and you only viewed the ANSIs on the BBS (didn't download them and "type" them in a DOS console) - you were completely safe. Those terminal programs didn't use DOS console I/O (what we would call "standard I/O" today) and therefore didn't need or use a console driver (e.g. ANSI.SYS) and thus were immune from any weird features
    they might support (like key redefinitions).

    True, but there was always the chance of getting some .ANS file and doing a "type filename.ans" and triggering a bomb. :) Of course, like a lot of modern malware, it required an unthinking user to trigger.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 21:38:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Back then, optimizing a BBS was a labor of love, I remember tweaking to get a couple of megs of disk space and a couple of KB of RAM and being quite happy with myself for it.

    It was an art that we took up with pride. The technical tinkering was always worth the effort for that last kB. :)


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Dmxrob on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:44:52
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to Hawkeye on Thu Apr 19 2018 18:29:25

    Here is some fun trivia for you... IBM still supports IBM PC-DOS. You would be surprised how many customers of theirs still have DOS based PCs.

    Actually supporting 'non-supporting' is my business :) Some companies give support longer than others. If you do a lot of business they also have a more loose attitude and help sometimes even when it is out of their legal scope.

    It is nice IBM is supporting PC-DOS, if you say so. But a computer is not only the operating system. It's all together which is getting more difficult to support, ok, on a fairuse base you can support it, but in a production environment, giving full support is asking for problems. I'm sure if it comes to a lawsuit IBM will point out it's not running on their hardware or specs. Sure thing. If it works ok, but if it doesnt... you are on you own.

    I checked it on ibm.com and this is what they write:
    6.3 does not support anymore QBASIC and ABASIC...

    and ...

    IBM technical support is available for PC DOS 6.3 until 30 april 1995


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:48:01
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dmxrob on Fri Apr 20 2018 15:54:43

    Here is some fun trivia for you... IBM still supports IBM PC-DOS. You would be surprised how many customers of theirs still have DOS based PCs.

    I checked on ibm.com and support stopped 1995.

    I wonder if they still provide OS/2 support? I was a telecom manager in a former life, and it seemed that every small business running an Avaya PBX had a beige box PC running OS/2 and Octel voicemail on it.

    According ibm.com OS/2 Warp 4.0 ended support 31 december 2006.

    Usually, with 1 ATA drive, no redundant hardware, and no backup. :(

    Yeah me too... on a certain moment my only extra measurement was an UPS after crashing a HDD after powerspike. Since then all my NAS/Servers run on an UPS :)

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:51:42
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Daryl Stout to MOON RAKER on Mon Apr 23 2018 10:07:00

    Yeah remember those CONFIS.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files? My first kind of mul MR>on the Tandy CoCo III. See before windows ever came out..

    I remember when the 386s came out and QEMM386 came out... using that video memory for some extra base memory so the BBS had more memory and run smoother... 30-50kb extra.. LOL

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Tony Langdon on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:58:29
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Daryl Stout on Tue Apr 24 2018 07:41:00

    someone else do the tech stuff. I remember endless hours tweaking CONFIG.SYS (often with the help of QEMM) to get the most out of my systems, loading the right drivers (FOSSIL, etc) and generally getting the system readi in those two files, before passing control to the BBS.BAT that ran the show. :-)

    yeah, those were the days... exchanging with other sysops how much basemem they had so you could see how well the tweaking was.


    Oh and that was after all the hardware hacking - like getting IRQs sorted, which in some cases meand cutting tracks and rejumpering by soldering a wire bridge on add in serial cards, because they didn't always have IRQ jumpers for COM3 and COM4. Assigning IRQs became a bit of a black art after soundcards came along and gobbled a couple up. :)

    jumpers and bios settings... right drivers loaded... config.sys... etc... nothing worked PnP, but when it worked... it stays working.

    Even todays PC work with IRQs but you don't see them. In the old days there were first 8 and more later 16! Lol Some time ago I was troubleshooting and say IRQ22, I thought what? New systems can have 255 IRQs. And hardware conflicts are not that common so they make a good effort in this.


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to DMXROB on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 09:48:00
    One former female Sysop had no idea what the CONFIG.SYS and
    AUTOEXEC.BAT files were for. I wondered why she was even running a BBS.

    DEVICE=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS
    DEVICE=c:\QEMM\QEMM386.sys

    Those two lines alone were a big part of the 90s for me ;-)

    I remember that well. I used the red and white color scheme with DESQview...first instance I had of multi-tasking.

    þdmxrobþ BBSing from St. Louis, MO since 1988

    Got me beat by 2 years. Starting a BBS on a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model
    100 laptop on Little Rock (1200 baud) on Dec. 1, 1990. For my birthday
    in 1992, a friend of my brother's got me an 8088 XT, with a monochrome
    green monitor, 640K of RAM, a 20 Mb Hard Drive, a 3.5" and a 5.25"
    floppy drive, a mouse, a keyboard, and DOS 3.2 -- that's where The
    Thunderbolt BBS was born on May 1, 1992 -- and it's coming up on its
    26th birthday.

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to TONY LANGDON on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 09:50:00
    Tony,

    Yes, QEMM is redundant, now that Windows or Linux are the main OS these days

    It sure worked good for me under DOS 5 and 6, though.

    I liked the concept of RIP, but it never took off here, and I never got to TL>experience it myself.

    I've got a whole series of RIP graphics over here from OutWorld Arts.
    When I ran GT Power, I created menus for the BBS.

    Haha, well, I was always a bit of a tinkerer. :)

    You're a better man than I am, there.

    ... Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints.

    Darn...missed it again!!

    You lose. :P

    Especially when it comes to slapping and sprinting away. :P

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to NIGHTFOX on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 09:53:00
    I remember there being a lawsuit against Microsoft from Stacker regarding the N>drive compression software Microsoft was using. I think MS-DOS 6.00 included N>Microsoft's drive compression tool (DoubleSpace?), 6.2 had an improved N>DoubleSpace which was removed in 6.21, and then 6.22 added DriveSpace, which N>was Microsoft's new drive compression software.

    I remember that as well, and I used Stacker for a time. I then used
    the DriveSpace. Of course, that's not needed now.

    It's hard to imagine an operating system not having directories..

    Really.

    The first MS-DOS I remember using was 3.31 (I think branded by another N>company). I remember hearing MS-DOS 4 was buggy; I went from 3.31 to 5.0. I N>thought the support for multiple configurations in CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BA N>in MS-DOS 5.0 (or was it 6.0?) was pretty cool; I could set up another boot N>configuration that way to help run a game or other program.

    I never saw DOS 4 myself...probably for the same reason no one saw
    Windows 9 <G>.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to TONY LANGDON on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 09:54:00
    Tony,

    Actually, I switched to one of the "safe" ANSI drivers during the BBS years, TL>just in case I caught an ANSI bomb that remapped the keyboard in a nasty way TL>)

    At one time, PKWARE released a TSR called PKSFANSI -- to prevent ANSI
    bombs from remapping the keyboard. I think I still have that in my ANSI
    files area, but I'm not sure. However, I'm not sure if that's much of an
    issue these days or not.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 09:54:00
    Kids these days won't know what it's like to spend hours tweaking QEMM tryin PF>to get a couple of more KB in your DOS window -- I rsan my BBS under Desqvie PF>for a time and had a bear of a time being able to make a local node work PF>without killing the dial-up node's response. I think this was on a 386SX/16 PF>with 4 MB of RAM...

    Not to mention all the reboots it went through during the process.

    Daryl

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 09:28:59
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Tue Apr 24 2018 09:53 am

    I remember that as well, and I used Stacker for a time. I then used
    the DriveSpace. Of course, that's not needed now.

    Yep, I used Stacker a bit as well. I remember a couple times when my PC didn't boot fully (I don't remember if it was an issue or if I bypassed the config.sys and autoexec.bat) and of course I couldn't access my files because the Stacker driver hadn't loaded yet..

    I never saw DOS 4 myself...probably for the same reason no one saw
    Windows 9 <G>.

    In Germany, I suppose they would have had a problem in that it would have sounded like Windows NEIN!

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Hawkeye on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 07:38:00
    Hawkeye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    yeah, those were the days... exchanging with other sysops how much
    basemem they had so you could see how well the tweaking was.

    I used to love the tweaking. :)

    jumpers and bios settings... right drivers loaded... config.sys...
    etc... nothing worked PnP, but when it worked... it stays working.

    Yes, it took a bit to get it all right, but then it just kept working. :)

    Even todays PC work with IRQs but you don't see them. In the old days there were first 8 and more later 16! Lol Some time ago I was troubleshooting and say IRQ22, I thought what? New systems can have 255

    Yes, they are still there. And yes there's been around 24 IRQs for at least 10 years - Linux admins could easily see that with cat /proc/interrupts (I think). :) I haven't seen the 255 interrupts yet, should check my current Linux desktop, though that machine is almost 10 years old anyway.

    IRQs. And hardware conflicts are not that common so they make a good effort in this.

    Yes, very rare. I have seen hardware conflicts with relatively modern hardware, but it's a once in several years event now. I don't think I've seen a conflict since going over to the PCIe bus.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 07:41:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

    Yes, QEMM is redundant, now that Windows or Linux are the main OS these
    ays

    It sure worked good for me under DOS 5 and 6, though.

    Indeed, QEMM was a godsend. :)

    I've got a whole series of RIP graphics over here from OutWorld Arts. When I ran GT Power, I created menus for the BBS.

    Well, you're ahead of me there, I was never the artistic kind. Never got into ANSI art - was impressed by that which I saw, but creating it - forget it! :D

    Haha, well, I was always a bit of a tinkerer. :)

    You're a better man than I am, there.

    Yes, electronics has been a hobby since I was 10. :)

    Especially when it comes to slapping and sprinting away. :P

    Haha I'm now capable of 85% of age graded world record performance. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 07:44:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

    At one time, PKWARE released a TSR called PKSFANSI -- to prevent ANSI bombs from remapping the keyboard. I think I still have that in my ANSI files area, but I'm not sure. However, I'm not sure if that's much of
    an issue these days or not.

    That was one of the drivers I remember. There were a few. As DM said, if you only access ANSI through your terminal emulator, you're safe anyway, but if you view downloaded ANSI files using something like "type filename.ans", then you'd want the "safe" driver. I'm also sure I had encountered other software that used the system calls for display (and therefore ANSI), but my recollection is very vague.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 16:38:51
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Hawkeye on Wed Apr 25 2018 07:38 am

    jumpers and bios settings... right drivers loaded... config.sys...
    etc... nothing worked PnP, but when it worked... it stays working.

    Yes, it took a bit to get it all right, but then it just kept working. :)

    I remember setting jumpers to configure IRQs and such on various cards I had in my PCs.. I was proud when I got things all working without IRQ conflicts. At one time I wanted to make all 4 of my COM ports useful - From what I remember, COM1 and COM3 shared an IRQ, and COM2 and COM4 shared an IRQ, so I set them all to have unique IRQs, while also configuring the IRQ on my Sound Blaster card (and possibly 1 or 2 other cards). I seem to remember that even if you got all the hardware working, there were certain games that wouldn't work with certain IRQs I set on my Sound Blaster card, so I had to do more tweaking to re-arrange the IRQs and eventually got everything working.

    Even todays PC work with IRQs but you don't see them. In the old
    days there were first 8 and more later 16! Lol Some time ago I was
    troubleshooting and say IRQ22, I thought what? New systems can have
    255

    Yes, they are still there. And yes there's been around 24 IRQs for at least 10 years - Linux admins could easily see that with cat /proc/interrupts (I think). :) I haven't seen the 255 interrupts yet, should check my current Linux desktop, though that machine is almost 10 years old anyway.

    I didn't realize there were that many IRQs available these days.

    IRQs. And hardware conflicts are not that common so they make a good
    effort in this.

    Yes, very rare. I have seen hardware conflicts with relatively modern hardware, but it's a once in several years event now. I don't think I've seen a conflict since going over to the PCIe bus.

    I haven't seen any IRQ conflicts in a long time. I saw a few IRQ issues reported by Windows drivers back in the mid-late 90s but was usually able to resolve those by disabling/re-enabling the driver or using some Windows hardware wizard.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 16:42:00
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Daryl Stout on Wed Apr 25 2018 07:41 am

    Yes, QEMM is redundant, now that Windows or Linux are the main OS
    these
    ays

    It sure worked good for me under DOS 5 and 6, though.

    Indeed, QEMM was a godsend. :)

    I thought it was interesting that a 3rd-party memory manager worked better than Microsoft's own memory manager for MS-DOS. I'd have thought that an operating system's own memory manager should work as good as possible. But I appreciated that there were things like QEMM available.

    I also used DesqView (included with QEMM) for a time to enable a 2nd node with my BBS back in the day so I could log on locally when there was a user logged into my BBS. DesqView worked great. I've heard of a lot of DOS BBSes being run under OS/2 for the multitasking as well. There was another DOS multitasker I had heard of called DoubleDOS, but I don't think it worked as well as DesqView.

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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to Hawkeye on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 18:36:08
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Hawkeye to Dmxrob on Tue Apr 24 2018 11:44 am

    environment, giving full support is asking for problems. I'm sure if it comes to a lawsuit IBM will point out it's not running on their hardware or specs. Sure thing. If it works ok, but if it doesnt... you are on you own.

    The number of machines I have seen and worked on in the past few years that still have floppy drives with boot disks in them I couldn't even begin to add up. The sheer number of systems running out there we never see that is running software still from the 70s, 80s, 90s is astounding.

    And if you have the $$$ the vendor will support you --- I have two friends who are "assigned" to a company for support of what we call obsolete software. Yet if the customer wants enhancement XYZ, they get it. After all, the customer is paying their paycheck -- and a whole lot more.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 13:21:00
    Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I remember setting jumpers to configure IRQs and such on various cards
    I had in my PCs.. I was proud when I got things all working without
    IRQ conflicts. At one time I wanted to make all 4 of my COM ports
    useful - From what I remember, COM1 and COM3 shared an IRQ, and COM2
    and COM4 shared an IRQ, so I set them all to have unique IRQs, while
    also configuring the IRQ on my Sound Blaster card (and possibly 1 or 2 other cards). I seem to remember that even if you got all the hardware working, there were certain games that wouldn't work with certain IRQs
    I set on my Sound Blaster card, so I had to do more tweaking to
    re-arrange the IRQs and eventually got everything working.

    Yep, that was it. You are right - by default, COM1 and COM3 used IRQ4, COM2 and COM4 used IRQ3. You could reclaim an IRQ by disabling the IRQ on the printer port, which was rarely needed (most printer drivers polled the port). And there were limits on soundcard IRQs. 16 bit soundcards tended to need 2 IRQs, one of which had to be IRQ7 or lower.

    I didn't realize there were that many IRQs available these days.

    Highest numbered IRQ in use on my Linux box is 29, and there's several that are named, rather than numbered. :)

    I haven't seen any IRQ conflicts in a long time. I saw a few IRQ
    issues reported by Windows drivers back in the mid-late 90s but was usually able to resolve those by disabling/re-enabling the driver or
    using some Windows hardware wizard.

    Yep. Things to generally "just work" nowadays. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 13:24:00
    Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I thought it was interesting that a 3rd-party memory manager worked
    better than Microsoft's own memory manager for MS-DOS. I'd have
    thought that an operating system's own memory manager should work as
    good as possible. But I appreciated that there were things like QEMM available.

    QEMM was around longer, and it was highly optimised for working with Desqview too, and also tended to be a bit more aggressive than Microsoft's own memory manager.

    I also used DesqView (included with QEMM) for a time to enable a 2nd
    node with my BBS back in the day so I could log on locally when there
    was a user logged into my BBS. DesqView worked great. I've heard of a lot of DOS BBSes being run under OS/2 for the multitasking as well.
    There was another DOS multitasker I had heard of

    DV was the gold standard of DOS multitasking, until OS/2 came along. :)


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  • From Geoffrey Sammons@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 19:50:17
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 8:00:27 PM UTC-4, Nightfox wrote:
    To: Tony Langdon
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Hawkeye on Wed Apr 25 2018 07:38 am

    jumpers and bios settings... right drivers loaded... config.sys...
    etc... nothing worked PnP, but when it worked... it stays working.

    Yes, it took a bit to get it all right, but then it just kept working. :)

    I remember setting jumpers to configure IRQs and such on various cards I had in
    my PCs.. I was proud when I got things all working without IRQ conflicts. At
    one time I wanted to make all 4 of my COM ports useful - From what I remember,
    COM1 and COM3 shared an IRQ, and COM2 and COM4 shared an IRQ, so I set them all
    to have unique IRQs, while also configuring the IRQ on my Sound Blaster card (and possibly 1 or 2 other cards). I seem to remember that even if you got all
    the hardware working, there were certain games that wouldn't work with certain
    IRQs I set on my Sound Blaster card, so I had to do more tweaking to re-arrange
    the IRQs and eventually got everything working.

    Even todays PC work with IRQs but you don't see them. In the old
    days there were first 8 and more later 16! Lol Some time ago I was
    troubleshooting and say IRQ22, I thought what? New systems can have
    255

    Yes, they are still there. And yes there's been around 24 IRQs for at least 10 years - Linux admins could easily see that with cat /proc/interrupts (I think). :) I haven't seen the 255 interrupts yet, should check my current Linux desktop, though that machine is almost 10 years old anyway.

    I didn't realize there were that many IRQs available these days.

    IRQs. And hardware conflicts are not that common so they make a good
    effort in this.

    Yes, very rare. I have seen hardware conflicts with relatively modern hardware, but it's a once in several years event now. I don't think I've seen a conflict since going over to the PCIe bus.

    I haven't seen any IRQ conflicts in a long time. I saw a few IRQ issues reported by Windows drivers back in the mid-late 90s but was usually able to resolve those by disabling/re-enabling the driver or using some Windows hardware wizard.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 06:33:58
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Hawkeye on Wed Apr 25 2018 07:38 am

    Yes, it took a bit to get it all right, but then it just kept working. :)

    I love telling the story about a prank we played on our QA manager many years back. He was in charge of a farm of PCs for testing our screen saver and games, which were all dependent on sound cards and drivers under DOS.

    We had old 16 bit ISA sound cards which required jumpers, and there was an audio file it'd play during setup that played "Performing IRQ test", "Performing port test", and played a tone.

    We took his favorite install floppy and tweaked the files.

    We heard him swearing in the lab, and heard "Perperperperformformformformingnging IRQIRQIRQ TETETETETEzzzzzzzzzzz" sounding like Max Headroom and almost died laughing.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dmxrob on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 10:54:36
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to Hawkeye on Tue Apr 24 2018 06:36 pm

    The number of machines I have seen and worked on in the past few years that still have floppy drives with boot disks in them I couldn't even begin to add up. The sheer number of systems running out there we never see that is running software still from the 70s, 80s, 90s is astounding.

    And if you have the $$$ the vendor will support you --- I have two friends who are "assigned" to a company for support of what we call obsolete software. Yet if the customer wants enhancement XYZ, they get it. After

    I was reading a thread somewhere online where someone said his company still relies on DOS-based software, which they now run in an emulator (such as DOSBox or something similar).

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to HAWKEYE on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 09:53:00
    I remember when the 386s came out and QEMM386 came out... using that video H>memory for some extra base memory so the BBS had more memory and run H>smoother... 30-50kb extra.. LOL

    I really enjoyed that...brought back great memories.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to NIGHTFOX on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 09:54:00
    Yep, I used Stacker a bit as well. I remember a couple times when my PC didn N>boot fully (I don't remember if it was an issue or if I bypassed the config.s N>and autoexec.bat) and of course I couldn't access my files because the Stacke N>driver hadn't loaded yet..

    Never had a problem like that. But, with the large drives nowadays,
    one doesn't need either one.

    I never saw DOS 4 myself...probably for the same reason no one saw Windows 9 <G>.

    In Germany, I suppose they would have had a problem in that it would have N>sounded like Windows NEIN!

    That's how the Apple and Linux folks feel!! NEIN is NO!! <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to HAWKEYE on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 13:36:00
    IBM technical support is available for PC DOS 6.3 until 30 april 1995

    I think we missed the deadline on that. :P

    Daryl

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  • From Mojo@VERT/MOJO to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 16:11:47
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Daryl Stout to HAWKEYE on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:53 am

    I remember when the 386s came out and QEMM386 came out...


    QEMM I remember that i used that al the time for my bbs back in the day before thwe internet.


    Oh, the memories...


    Mojo

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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/GUARDIAN to Nightfox on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 18:11:43
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Nightfox to Dmxrob on Wed Apr 25 2018 10:54 am

    I was reading a thread somewhere online where someone said his company still relies on DOS-based software, which they now run in an emulator (such as DOSBox or something similar).

    Many, many POS systems still run on DOS.

    Up until about 6 years ago (give or take) many Bank of America ATM's still ran OS/2 as their interface behind the scenes from what I have been told.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, April 26, 2018 07:53:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    We took his favorite install floppy and tweaked the files.

    We heard him swearing in the lab, and heard "Perperperperformformformformingnging IRQIRQIRQ TETETETETEzzzzzzzzzzz" sounding like Max Headroom and almost died laughing.

    Hahahaha that's evil! :D


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Thursday, April 26, 2018 01:33:29
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Nightfox to Dmxrob on Wed Apr 25 2018 10:54:36

    I was reading a thread somewhere online where someone said his company still relies on DOS-based software, which they now run in an emulator (such as DOSBox or something similar).

    That is possible with own knowledge and expertise but that doesn't mean it's supported by the original company. But if it works it works. I had some customers who let me virtualize their old servers to be sure to be able to run it on newer hardware because they need some extra years. I think this is the most interesting part of ICT if you ask me. Supporting and keep old systems running in production environments... the challenge is security.

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Daryl Stout on Thursday, April 26, 2018 01:36:37
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Daryl Stout to HAWKEYE on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:53:00

    I remember when the 386s came out and QEMM386 came out... using that video H>memory for some extra base memory so the BBS had more memory and run H>smoother... 30-50kb extra.. LOL

    I really enjoyed that...brought back great memories.

    Daryl

    To put it in perspective... then we were fighting for kilobytes. Today fiddling on my Amiga 2000 and it's about megabytes and my normal day pc it's about gigabytes... the steps we progressed in some years :)

    HAWKEYE

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Dmxrob on Thursday, April 26, 2018 14:54:00
    Dmxrob wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Many, many POS systems still run on DOS.

    I've seen mostly Windows systems for POS in recent years, where I could identify the OS. An interesting trend in the last 10-15 years is large public information systems (e.g. Melbourne's real time tram arrival info at the tram stop) actually run Linux. Found that out while waiting for a tram, and seeing a Linux boot process in progress on the display. :)

    Up until about 6 years ago (give or take) many Bank of America ATM's
    still ran OS/2 as their interface behind the scenes from what I have
    been told.

    I had also heard that OS/2 was a popular choice for ATMs in the late 1990s/early 2000s.


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  • From Paul Quinn@VERT to Tony Langdon on Thursday, April 26, 2018 16:29:00
    Hi! Tony,

    On 26 Apr 18 14:54, you wrote to Dmxrob:

    I had also heard that OS/2 was a popular choice for ATMs in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

    I had a report from a Mystic sysop (not Fido) here in Maryborough about two years ago that he came across an ATM doing a bios POST, then boot into WinXP. :)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Paul Quinn on Thursday, April 26, 2018 07:16:52
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Paul Quinn to Tony Langdon on Thu Apr 26 2018 04:29 pm

    I had a report from a Mystic sysop (not Fido) here in Maryborough about two years ago that he came across an ATM doing a bios POST, then boot into WinXP. :)

    Probably XP Embedded, it's supported for a few more years.

    There are still Windows NT 4.0 and OS/2 boxes running voicemail systems out there - especially OS/2. That OS could multitask better than anything else around at the time, and most of the VM services were plain ol' console apps.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dmxrob on Thursday, April 26, 2018 09:42:10
    Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Dmxrob to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 06:11 pm

    Many, many POS systems still run on DOS.

    Up until about 6 years ago (give or take) many Bank of America ATM's still ran OS/2 as their interface behind the scenes from what I have been told.

    Yeah, I've heard a lot of bank ATMs have used (and still use) OS/2. I heard there was another company that picked up OS/2 and continued development as eComStation. More recently, I heard another company has picked it up and released a new version, as ArcaOS 5.0: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/new_version_of_os_2_arca_os_5

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Paul Quinn on Thursday, April 26, 2018 20:51:00
    Paul Quinn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I had a report from a Mystic sysop (not Fido) here in Maryborough about two years ago that he came across an ATM doing a bios POST, then boot
    into WinXP. :)

    Yeah can't say I've watched an ATM boot, but I have seen blue screens of dearh on shopping centre displays. :D


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Thursday, April 26, 2018 15:41:15
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Paul Quinn on Thu Apr 26 2018 08:51 pm

    Yeah can't say I've watched an ATM boot, but I have seen blue screens of dearh on shopping centre displays. :D

    I saw a photo online recently of what looked like a water dispenser showing the Windows 10 "Updating Windows" screen.

    Nightfox

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Mojo on Saturday, April 28, 2018 17:50:36
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Mojo to Daryl Stout on Wed Apr 25 2018 16:11:47

    QEMM I remember that i used that al the time for my bbs back in the day before thwe internet.

    True.. I used it first to be able to play games with networkcard and cdrom drivers loaded... later I was able to use it in business situations because their sysadmins didn't know to use QEMM to get more base mem free... those were the moments you were considered a magician... funny times. They all so good and everything knowing administrator didn't know something you know...


    HAWKEYE

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Hawkeye on Sunday, April 29, 2018 06:58:00
    Hawkeye wrote to Mojo <=-

    True.. I used it first to be able to play games with networkcard and
    cdrom drivers loaded... later I was able to use it in business
    situations because their sysadmins didn't know to use QEMM to get more base mem free... those were the moments you were considered a
    magician... funny times. They all so good and everything knowing administrator didn't know something you know...

    Those days were good. I used to bring tricks from the BBS world and early days of Linux to work. Back then, that sort of hands on knowledge was very useful to companies, before the advent of certifications and Chinese black boxes. The IT industry has changed a lot, and I've since moved on, with the Chinese boxes (routers, etc) and cloud services taking away all the fun stuff for small business, and me not being suited to or interested in the big end of town. :/


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tony Langdon on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:39:23
    Re: Re: Syncterm packages
    By: Tony Langdon to Hawkeye on Sun Apr 29 2018 06:58 am

    Those days were good. I used to bring tricks from the BBS world and early days of Linux to work. Back then, that sort of hands on knowledge was very useful to companies, before the advent of certifications and Chinese black boxes. The IT industry has changed a lot, and I've since moved on, with the Chinese boxes (routers, etc) and cloud services taking away all the fun stuff for small business, and me not being suited to or interested in the big end of town. :/

    Yeah, there was a cottage industry in setting up SMB (small/medium business) networks. I used to set up a Linux box with RAID, IMAP, LDAP, Apache and Samba, CPIO and a tape backup, and set up a simple server setup. Later, did the same thing with Windows Small Business Server.

    Now, a Google Apps account or Office 365 subscription and you're done. Where's the fun in that? :)

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, May 17, 2018 08:21:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yeah, there was a cottage industry in setting up SMB (small/medium business) networks. I used to set up a Linux box with RAID, IMAP, LDAP, Apache and Samba, CPIO and a tape backup, and set up a simple server setup. Later, did the same thing with Windows Small Business Server.

    And before that, putting a company on the Internet required someone well versed in Cisco or Linux. I had the latter

    Now, a Google Apps account or Office 365 subscription and you're done. Where's the fun in that? :)

    And my job was taken by that router sitting in the corner of the office. ;) Yes, things are a lot less fun now. :(


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