Recently I was on an Internet forum looking to find a straight forward answer to a question, but as always there are these Internet Idiots that feel compeled to give a bunch of non answers to a technical question.
Ususally they post an answer like "why would you want to do that" or something else that's lame.
Recently I was on an Internet forum looking to find a straight forward answer to a question, but as always there are these Internet Idiots that feel compeled to give a bunch of non answers to a technical question. Ususally they post an answer like "why would you want to do that" or something else that's lame.
I alway's post a reply to their reply and say If you don't know the answer why are you reply'ing to my question?
Most Internet Forums are a total waste of time, I get much better answers here on the BBS Interwebs.
Recently I was on an Internet forum looking to find a straight forward
answer to a question, but as always there are these Internet Idiots
that feel compeled to give a bunch of non answers to a technical
question. Ususally they post an answer like "why would you want to do
that" or something else that's lame.
what was the question? sometimes people have a real backwards way of doing things with no real payoff so i can understand why they would say that sometimes.
what was the question? sometimes people have a real backwards way of doing things with no real payoff so i can understand why they would say that sometimes.
feel compeled to give a bunch of non answers to a technical question. Ususally they post an answer like "why would you want to do that" or
I alway's post a reply to their reply and say If you don't know the answer why are you reply'ing to my question?
Now that most BBSes are connected to the internet, I don't think there is much distinction between a BBS message forum and an internet forum. Many BBSes have web interfaces, allowing users to browse messages in much the same way as any internet forum, if they wish.
Other times, they might be probing for more information. A better way to go about this is to ask "What are you trying to accomplish?" This can reveal some details about the situation that point to a better solution.
Re: Internet Forums
By: echicken to Denn on Thu Dec 28 2017 01:58 pm
Other times, they might be probing for more information. A better way to go about this is to ask "What are you trying to accomplish?" This can reveal some details about the situation that point to a better solution.
Even that could be taken in a negative way by the person who asked. At one of my previous jobs, it became an inside joke to sarcastically ask "What are you trying to do?" in a confused voice when one of us asked a question about some code we were working on.
Yes, but rather than saying something like "why would you want to do that?", a more productive answer might be something like "A better way do that might be..."
It was a question about mac addresses on my new router on the xfinity forum. but as usual an Internet forum just has a bunch of people with personal opinions but no answers.
Unfortunatly I cannot change the Mac address on my new netgear router voice modem as xfinity has controll over the firmware.
is much distinction between a BBS message forum and an internet forum. Many BBSes have web interfaces, allowing users to browse messages in much the same way as any internet forum, if they wish.
Most BBS users these day's have computer savvy where as forum trolls don't know much at all except how to answer a question with a non answer.
voice modem as xfinity has controll over the firmware.
okay,that's not that bad. search for the default admin login and see if that works, otherwise buy your own hardware.
It was a question about mac addresses on my new router on the xfinity
forum. but as usual an Internet forum just has a bunch of people with
personal opinions but no answers.
Unfortunatly I cannot change the Mac address on my new netgear router
voice modem as xfinity has controll over the firmware.
okay,that's not that bad. search for the default admin login and see if that works, otherwise buy your own hardware.
When I first got cable internet, I remember the cable provider had a deal where if you owned your own cable modem, you'd save $10/month which was their modem lease fee. Then, after a while, they re-structured their payment system so that if you owned your own modem, you'd only be saving $2/month or something, but people leasing a modem from them would still be paying the same price for their internet service.
what i hate is people arent told when they are doing something wrong.
i can search for an issue and then i find a forum with people not resolving an issue, just saying 'me too' , or they are ADD and go off on tangents. so basically you can have 5 pages of NOTHING, and nothing gets resolved.
It actually is my own hardware, Its a netgear Nighthawk C7100V voice modem router with an AC1900 router built in, xfinity for some reason is the ones who push the updates for the firmware.
and for some reason there is no way to change the MAC address on this unit. Not really Important I just like haveing more controll over my routers than that.
They say you can find anything on the Internet, thats really not true, You can't always find an answer to your questions.
Re: Internet Forums
By: Denn to MRO on Thu Dec 28 2017 09:14 pm
They say you can find anything on the Internet, thats really not true, You can't always find an answer to your questions.
I've also heard about a "dark web" (or "dark internet"?); apparently there are some sites online you won't find via a web search, etc..
They say you can find anything on the Internet, thats really not
true, You can't always find an answer to your questions.
I've also heard about a "dark web" (or "dark internet"?); apparently
there are some sites online you won't find via a web search, etc..
On 2017 Dec 28 22:27:02, you wrote to Denn:
They say you can find anything on the Internet, thats really not
true, You can't always find an answer to your questions.
I've also heard about a "dark web" (or "dark internet"?); apparently there are some sites online you won't find via a web search, etc..
those sites can still be found via a web search... you just have to use one that indexes all the shit hiding behind tor and in tor-space... if you don't have tor or don't allow connections from tor exit nodes, you won't ever know about those sites...
you should be able to change the mac addy on it.
do you NEED to change the mac address, though? if you do you will have to inform your isp.
They say you can find anything on the Internet, thats really not
true, You can't always find an answer to your questions.
I've also heard about a "dark web" (or "dark internet"?); apparently there are some sites online you won't find via a web search, etc..
I've also heard about a "dark web" (or "dark internet"?); apparently
there are some sites online you won't find via a web search, etc..
those sites can still be found via a web search... you just have to
use one that indexes all the shit hiding behind tor and in
tor-space... if you don't have tor or don't allow connections from
tor exit nodes, you won't ever know about those sites...
I thought most "dark web" sites keep their content between
authentication barriers. Like most of facebook's content, you can't
have an anonymous indexer/search engine crawl their sites, all you'll
get is their login/auth page at best.
I thought most "dark web" sites keep their content between authentication barriers. Like most of facebook's content, you can't have an anonymous indexer/search engine crawl their sites, all you'll get is their login/auth page at best.
I've also heard about a "dark web" (or "dark internet"?);
apparently there are some sites online you won't find via a web
search, etc..
access here, anyway ;)
it depends on the site, AFAIK... i have seen search results for the dark web but i don't personally go there... dark web users are blocked from access here, anyway ;)
I've also heard about a "dark web" (or "dark internet"?);
apparently there are some sites online you won't find via a web
search, etc..
it depends on the site, AFAIK... i have seen search results for the
dark web but i don't personally go there... dark web users are
blocked from access here, anyway ;)
I have been scared to even check out the dark web, as I thought it was illegal.
Now I'm seeing you can use a program called tor to access it.
Is it in fact legal to check it out, or will you be put on some kind
of government watch list. The fact that it exists makes me want to
check it out, but I don't want to open a can of worms in my life.
I have been scared to even check out the dark web, as I thought it was illegal. Now I'm seeing you can use a program called tor to access it.
Is it in fact legal to check it out, or will you be put on some kind of government watch list. The fact that it exists makes me want to check it out, but I don't want to open a can of worms in my life.
It's a little late for that. Fidonet has technically been a darknet since we started exchanging FTN packets over the Internet.
It's a little late for that. Fidonet has technically been a darknet since we started exchanging FTN packets over the Internet.
I'm not sure FidoNet would be all that dark. Many BBSes these days offer web interfaces to their message areas, and FidoNet areas & messages could be scanned by web bots. I also seem to remember seeing some FidoNet areas pop up on newsgroup results when doing web searches a few times.
I have been scared to even check out the dark web, as I thought it was illegal. Now I'm seeing you can use a program called tor to access it. Is it in fact legal to check it out, or will you be put on some kind of government watch list. The fact that it exists makes me want to check it out, but I don't want to open a can of worms in my life.
I'm not sure FidoNet would be all that dark. Many BBSes these days offer web N>interfaces to their message areas, and FidoNet areas & messages could be N>scanned by web bots. I also seem to remember seeing some FidoNet areas pop u N>on newsgroup results when doing web searches a few times.
I'm not sure FidoNet would be all that dark. Many BBSes these days
offer web interfaces to their message areas, and FidoNet areas &
messages could be scanned by web bots. I also seem to remember seeing
some FidoNet areas pop u on newsgroup results when doing web searches
a few times.
I've added the -na modifier to the NNTP settings, so "anonymous users" can't access the areas. I think that was discussed in here recently, but
I don't remember all the details.
I have been scared to even check out the dark web, as I thought it was
illegal. Now I'm seeing you can use a program called tor to access it.
it's a network inside a network. last time i used it it was real slow. there's no real reason to go on it other than you're curious or doing something illegal.
it's a network inside a network. last time i used it it was real slow. there's no real reason to go on it other than you're curious or doing something illegal.
Re: Re: Internet Forums
By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Sun Dec 31 2017 05:27 pm
I'm not sure FidoNet would be all that dark. Many BBSes these days
offer web interfaces to their message areas, and FidoNet areas &
messages could be scanned by web bots. I also seem to remember seeing
some FidoNet areas pop u on newsgroup results when doing web searches
a few times.
I've added the -na modifier to the NNTP settings, so "anonymous users" can't access the areas. I think that was discussed in here recently, but
I don't remember all the details.
I'm not sure what option that is.. I do know you can add "REST NOT G" in the access requirements string to prevent the guest (anonymous) account from accessing the areas.
I'm not sure what option that is.. I do know you can add "REST NOT G" in the N>access requirements string to prevent the guest (anonymous) account from N>accessing the areas.
Or if you just want some privacy, I'd think. I haven't used Tor, but assuming it's just used for something illegal sounds similar to ISPs assuming BitTorrent is only used for illegally downloading movies or pirated software.
Re: Internet Forums
By: MRO to DesotoFireflite on Sun Dec 31 2017 05:34 pm
it's a network inside a network. last time i used it it was real slow. there's no real reason to go on it other than you're curious or doing something illegal.
Just curious, but judging by all the comments, I don't think curiosity will win this time around. I have enough issues without inviting more. :)
By default (without the -na option), you can login to the Synchronet NNTP service without authentication and access message areas available to "guest".
With the -na option, you have to login to see message areas/read messages, and it can't be as "guest".
if you want to be private just use a vpn.
I'm not sure FidoNet would be all that dark. Many BBSes these days
offer web interfaces to their message areas, and FidoNet areas &
messages could be scanned by web bots.
What is it about exchanging mail over the internet that makes fidonet a darknet?
I remeber the old Usenet newsgroups you could get just about anything, I would think it was the precursor to the dark web.
Doesn't a VPN just make it look like you're somewhere else though?
I'm not sure FidoNet would be all that dark. Many BBSes these days
offer web interfaces to their message areas, and FidoNet areas &
messages could be scanned by web bots.
True, although that's probably in violation of some echoes' no-gating rules.
Re: Internet Forums
By: MRO to DesotoFireflite on Mon Jan 01 2018 04:25 pm
if you want to be private just use a vpn.
Doesn't a VPN just make it look like you're somewhere else though? I've heard of ways to encrypt your internet traffic, which would probably help quite a bit for privacy - but I think the problem would be other sites supporting the encryption.
On 12/31/17, Denn said the following...
I remeber the old Usenet newsgroups you could get just about anything, I would think it was the precursor to the dark web.
"Dark web" doesn't imply anything dubious. It just means it's not accessible through the most common means.
What is it about exchanging mail over the internet that makes
fidonet a darknet?
It's off the underlying network, by and large. In order to access it you need to go through a BBS or FTN feed.
dark web does ENTIRELY imply something dubious.
it's the media's new buzzword when talking about bad things on the internet. kids are even talking about it now.
Re: Internet Forums
By: MRO to DesotoFireflite on Mon Jan 01 2018 04:25 pm
if you want to be private just use a vpn.
Doesn't a VPN just make it look like you're somewhere else though? I've heard of ways to encrypt your internet traffic, which would probably help quite a bit for privacy - but I think the problem would be other sites supporting the encryption.
I had only heard about the "dark web" as sites that don't show up in searches etc., not necessarily dubious things. For instance, I seem to remember hearing about things like low-price deals at stores that they don't always advertise everywhere, etc.
It is quicker and the cost has been largely eliminated. Nothing dark
about that!
it's the media's new buzzword when talking about bad things on the internet. kids are even talking about it now.
I thought gating was allowing the message areas on a different network,
Doesn't a VPN just make it look like you're somewhere else though?
VPN's use encryption, to create a private tunnel between you and some other host on the Internet who then plays the role of your proxy to the rest of net. So it's not just looking like you're somewhere else, you could like you *are* someone else. Of course, if the VPN provider keeps logs and is ever compromised (e.g. subpoenaed or otherwise legally compelled) they could tie your identity to some VPN traffic at a specific point in time. This is why most VPN providers are outside the USA.
I had only heard about the "dark web" as sites that don't show up in
searches etc., not necessarily dubious things. For instance, I seem
to remember hearing about things like low-price deals at stores that
they don't always advertise everywhere, etc.
You may be thinking of "deep web". There's a lot of data out there that isn't easily indexed by search engines, etc., because it's behind authentication walls, isn't linked from anywhere, and so on.
On the flip side, if on a bit of a tangent, is the concept of "linked data". Tim Berners Lee gave a talk about it a number of years ago. The gist, as I recall, is that if you have data to share in some structured format, share it. (Within reason; some information doesn't want to be free.) Whether you think it's useful data or not doesn't matter - someone, somewhere might find something to do with it even if you can't imagine what.
I thought gating was allowing the message areas on a different
network,
I don't know, getting indexed and served up on Google Groups seems like it qualifies.
That sounds like the basic concept behind the web. I believe Tim Berners
Lee was the originator of the web, or hypertext, wasn't he?
interface for a BBS though. I thought Google Groups was a newsgroup server or similar.
interface for a BBS though. I thought Google Groups was a newsgroup
server or similar.
It used to be Deja News before Google bought them out. A number of
fido echoes are carried on there by some means. If they're just
crawling that info then it would take each public server having a
properly configured robots.txt in order to prevent no-gate echoes
being gated. And that's only for crawlers that actually respect the
robots file.
I had only heard about the "dark web" as sites that don't show up in searches etc., not necessarily dubious things. For instance, I seem to remember hearing about things like low-price deals at stores that they don't always advertise everywhere, etc.
On 01/01/18, MRO said the following...
it's the media's new buzzword when talking about bad things on the internet. kids are even talking about it now.
I don't put much stock in sensationalism. It's a term that dates back long before the media co-opted it for clickbait.
it's a network inside a network. last time i used it it was real slow. there's no real reason to go on it other than you're curious or doing something illegal.
"Dark web" doesn't imply anything dubious. It just means it's not accessible through the most common means.
Actually it does imply dark illeagle web underground, I have read articles that pedophiles among other dark natured people hang out on the dark web.
ummm... news servers do not have a robots.txt file... there are spiders that crawl news servers... i haven't seen a google one but that doesn't mean there isn't one...
do you go by what you see and experience yourself? that's what i do.
Actually it does imply dark illeagle web underground, I have read articles that pedophiles among other dark natured people hang out on the dark web.
it doesn't have to be an absolute in-all-cases sort of deal. Some people just get a kick out of privacy for privacy's sake.
"Dark web" doesn't imply anything dubious. It just means it's not
accessible through the most common means.
Actually it does imply dark illeagle web underground, I have read
articles that pedophiles among other dark natured people hang out on
the dark web.
notummm... news servers do not have a robots.txt file... there are
spiders that crawl news servers... i haven't seen a google one but
that doesn't mean there isn't one...
I was referring to fido echoes being served over a BBS' HTTP interface,
NNTP.
There's a smattering of fido echomail across various time periods that
got picked up by Deja News/Google Groups somehow, though HTTP isn't necessarily how.
That sounds like the basic concept behind the web. I believe Tim Berners Lee N>was the originator of the web, or hypertext, wasn't he?
That sounds like the basic concept behind the web. I believe Tim
Berners Lee was the originator of the web, or hypertext, wasn't he?
I thought it was Al Gore <jk>. :P
The media may imply that there are ill eagles on dark nets - and realistically illegal activity is the primary reason for such to exist - but any group might choose to set up such a network for whatever reasons they choose. I'm sure it's safe to say that most activity in those places isn't aboveboard, but it doesn't have to be an absolute in-all-cases sort of deal. Some people just get a kick out of privacy for privacy's sake.
On 01/02/18, Denn said the following...
Actually it does imply dark illeagle web underground, I have read articles that pedophiles among other dark natured people hang out on the dark web.
Those types always hide anywhere they can. It's just not something intrinsic to private networks like TOR simply because they are, for good or ill, uncensorable.
On 2018 Jan 02 23:15:34, you wrote to John McCoy:
"Dark web" doesn't imply anything dubious. It just means it's not
accessible through the most common means.
Actually it does imply dark illeagle web underground, I have read articles that pedophiles among other dark natured people hang out on the dark web.
pedophiles hang out in church, too... what's your point?
Actually it does imply dark illeagle web underground, I have read
articles that pedophiles among other dark natured people hang out on
the dark web.
pedophiles hang out in church, too... what's your point?
Al Gore invented the whole internet, not just the web. ;)
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