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as a rarity in the ham community. :)

Good for you. I ran into several "dancing hams"...hams that square
dance (one of my other hobbies), when I went to the National Square
Dance Conventions in the U.S. years ago. We'd pick a simplex frequency
to find out where to dance, eat, sightsee, etc. And, it was a GOOD THING
I had the HT one year. The last night of the convention, the security
guard at our hotel assaulted our shuttle bus driver, and I used ham
radio to call for help, and ultimately save his life. When told that by
the people on the bus, I replied "This is what Ham Radio Operators
prepare for...Emergency Communications". What a plug for the hobby!! :)

That's like the one about "The Bathtub Test".

LOL, I'd have picked the "sane" answer. :D

Would you like a room by the window?? LOL

Daryl

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as a rarity in the ham community. :)

Good for you. I ran into several "dancing hams"...hams that square
dance (one of my other hobbies), when I went to the National Square
Dance Conventions in the U.S. years ago. We'd pick a simplex frequency

Interestingly, I knew a number of square dancing hams many years ago. Sounded like a lot of fun. :)

As for me, well, I could try to lay claim to the title of the fastest ham in the country. If anyone wants to challenge that, I'm up for a race! :)

to find out where to dance, eat, sightsee, etc. And, it was a GOOD
THING I had the HT one year. The last night of the convention, the security guard at our hotel assaulted our shuttle bus driver, and I
used ham radio to call for help, and ultimately save his life. When
told that by the people on the bus, I replied "This is what Ham Radio Operators prepare for...Emergency Communications". What a plug for the hobby!! :)

That's a nice outcome for ham radio. :)

That's like the one about "The Bathtub Test".

LOL, I'd have picked the "sane" answer. :D

Would you like a room by the window?? LOL

Why? I pulled the plug. :P I think they were reserving that for you. :P


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Tony,

Would you like a room by the window?? LOL

Why? I pulled the plug. :P I think they were reserving that for you. :P

Shoot. But, then again, I might have asked for bubble bath, and a
rubber duckie. You know "Rubber Duckie, you're the one. Rubber Duckie,
so much fun"...and I'm not talking about the rubber antenna on the handi-talkie!! LOL

Yes, I'm in one of my nether moods. <G>

Daryl, WX1DER

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Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

Shoot. But, then again, I might have asked for bubble bath, and a
rubber duckie. You know "Rubber Duckie, you're the one. Rubber Duckie,
so much fun"...and I'm not talking about the rubber antenna on the handi-talkie!! LOL

LOL that brought up some veeeery bad visuals! :D :P

Yes, I'm in one of my nether moods. <G>

Would you like a room by the window? :P


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Tony,

Shoot. But, then again, I might have asked for bubble bath, and a rubber duckie. You know "Rubber Duckie, you're the one. Rubber Duckie, so much fun"...and I'm not talking about the rubber antenna on the handi-talkie!! LOL

LOL that brought up some veeeery bad visuals! :D :P

What are friends for?? LOL

Yes, I'm in one of my nether moods. <G>

Would you like a room by the window? :P

Of course. I get tired of looking at 4 walls every day. Unless I am
helping my 90 year old Mom with stuff (I do all the driving, shopping,
etc. for her), or going out to check the Post Office Box or do other
errands, I stay at home. This is especially true when "inspections" are scheduled. While I have an alarm system (installed the day my wife died
over 10 years ago), and renters insurance, I don't want me stuff walking
off. There are too many sticky fingered, nosey neighbors out here...and
that's one reason why I got a Post Office Box.

Daryl

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Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

LOL that brought up some veeeery bad visuals! :D :P

What are friends for?? LOL

Some things can't be "unsees". :P

Yes, I'm in one of my nether moods. <G>

Would you like a room by the window? :P

Of course. I get tired of looking at 4 walls every day. Unless I am helping my 90 year old Mom with stuff (I do all the driving, shopping, etc. for her), or going out to check the Post Office Box or do other errands, I stay at home. This is especially true when "inspections" are scheduled. While I have an alarm system (installed the day my wife died over 10 years ago), and renters insurance, I don't want me stuff
walking off. There are too many sticky fingered, nosey neighbors out here...and that's one reason why I got a Post Office Box.

Here, put on this special jacket. :D


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(entry level license) changes next year, so I'm sure DM will provide an
updated version of that at that time, once the new pool is finalized.
I've yet to see a pool come out, and not get any changes, revisions,
removal of vague questions, etc.

Interesting.

Again, there are other things in life besides ham radio...although
when that was mentioned at a local hamfest one year, you can imagine the
chorus of "NOOOOOOO!!" -- I guess the same could be said for Sysoping a
BBS. <G>

Yep same thing with our Morse test. :)

More like ... .... .. - <G>

LOL yep! :D

When I asked one area ham (long since a Silent Key) what his secret to learning the Morse Code was, he said "I learned all the dirty words
first!!". I laughed, and admited "Well, you can't say them on the air,
but if it helps, more power to you". The next week, I heard a club over Echolink, doing a Morse Code Class, and the first 4 characters they
taught were the ones I noted above. <G> But, when you looked at the dot
and dash pattern, it made perfect sense.

The best story, though (I've said it before, but it's funny to repeat)
was in Annapolis, Maryland. Four ol' boys are sitting at a restaurant
table, telling each other dirty jokes in Morse Code. Soon, this drop
dead, gorgeous, curvaceous female, walked up to them, and admonished the
group "You boys better watch your language. I teach Morse Code at the
Naval Academy across the street", and walked out!!

Can you say "red faced in spades??!!" <BG>

... Beerware: if it works, buy yourself a beer.

That reminds me of a story of "Computer Error Messages" in a magazine
that CompuServe had 30 years ago. I don't remember the title of the
article (I think the author was a gentleman by the name of Alex
Krislov, but it has been so long ago). Anyway, what I do remember, it
was around the error of an incorrect parameter junction (likely with programming). The computer screams "Whoopsie!! Incorrect Parameter
Junction!! What the hell is this??!! Let's discuss it over a beer!!".


Daryl

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Tony,

LOL that brought up some veeeery bad visuals! :D :P

What are friends for?? LOL

Some things can't be "unsees". :P

True. Variety is the spice of life.

Here, put on this special jacket. :D

It can't be any more uncomfortable than the CPAP mask I have to wear
at night. :P

Admittedly, when I'm at the BBS computer, and start getting sleepy,
it's time to STOP work, and get to bed. One time, I thought I was in a temporary directory, answered Y to DEL *.* -- and over 500 bulletin
screens (ANSI, ASCII, and RIP) were gone forever!! :P

I admit the control-A codes with Synchronet allows one to have either
ASCII or ANSI color with one file. I'm not sure if there's a utility to
convert that to RIP format in Synchronet or not. The program I used to
create menus in GT Power (what I ran under dial-up for 13 years), was
DeadPaint (I'm not sure if it can be registered anymore).

Yet, TeleGraphix which pioneered RIP Graphics, went out of business at
least 25 years ago. I believe Synchronet does offer RIP support...but
it's rare you see it on BBS's anymore, except in a few doorgames. Or, as
one former area Sysop noted "I thought RIP was what you did to a
f@rt!!". <G> As a side note, I have the OutWorld Arts RIP Graphics
collection that I display in an echo with the GT Power/AutoSports BBS
Network called "The RIP Graphics Gallery". But, you have to be using
something like RIPTel to view it.

Daryl
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Re: Re: Various Things 2/2
By: Daryl Stout to VK3JED on Tue Jun 27 2017 07:59 am

it's time to STOP work, and get to bed. One time, I thought I was in a temporary directory, answered Y to DEL *.* -- and over 500 bulletin screens (ANSI, ASCII, and RIP) were gone forever!! :P

I like to have an undelete utility around for those kinds of mishaps.. If you're running Windows, there's a free utility called Recuva that can recover delted files. With Windows, you have to do the recover ASAP because there's always the chance Windows could write to the drive while it does OS operations, and with any writes, there's a chance it could use one of the sectors on the drive that your files were using.

I admit the control-A codes with Synchronet allows one to have either ASCII or ANSI color with one file. I'm not sure if there's a utility to convert that to RIP format in Synchronet or not. The program I used to

I think ANSI/ASCII and RIP are like apples and oranges - I'm not sure you could have Synchronet codes and RIP in the same file.

least 25 years ago. I believe Synchronet does offer RIP support...but
it's rare you see it on BBS's anymore, except in a few doorgames. Or, as

Modern RIP BBS terminals seem rare these days.. I think there are a couple RIP terminals that will connect to a BBS via telnet. The other option would be to use DOSBox or something to make a DOS-based RIP terminal connect via telnet.. I think the options are fairly limited.

Nightfox

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On 2017 Jun 27 15:02:10, you wrote to Daryl Stout:

I think ANSI/ASCII and RIP are like apples and oranges - I'm not sure
you could have Synchronet codes and RIP in the same file.

you can... RIP is just like ANSI except that its codes are meant to be interpreted by a RIP capable terminal... one could easily have a RIP.SYS which could have displayed a RIP file just like ANSI.SYS was used to be able to display an ANS file... my first dozen or so RIP screens were hand coded just like hand coding ANSI ;)

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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

When I asked one area ham (long since a Silent Key) what his secret
to learning the Morse Code was, he said "I learned all the dirty words first!!". I laughed, and admited "Well, you can't say them on the air,
but if it helps, more power to you". The next week, I heard a club over Echolink, doing a Morse Code Class, and the first 4 characters they
taught were the ones I noted above. <G> But, when you looked at the dot and dash pattern, it made perfect sense.

Interesting strategy. :)

The best story, though (I've said it before, but it's funny to
repeat) was in Annapolis, Maryland. Four ol' boys are sitting at a restaurant table, telling each other dirty jokes in Morse Code. Soon,
this drop dead, gorgeous, curvaceous female, walked up to them, and admonished the group "You boys better watch your language. I teach
Morse Code at the Naval Academy across the street", and walked out!!

Can you say "red faced in spades??!!" <BG>

Hahaha, you do have to be careful. :D


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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

Some things can't be "unsees". :P

True. Variety is the spice of life.

If you insist, I'll just have to point and giggle. :P

Here, put on this special jacket. :D

It can't be any more uncomfortable than the CPAP mask I have to wear
at night. :P

Admittedly, when I'm at the BBS computer, and start getting sleepy,
it's time to STOP work, and get to bed. One time, I thought I was in a temporary directory, answered Y to DEL *.* -- and over 500 bulletin screens (ANSI, ASCII, and RIP) were gone forever!! :P

Oops. Yeah, those mistakes really suck. I did similar to a USB HDD. I was setting up a CF card for use in a fanless PC, and went to write the Linux image to the card reader. The USB HDD happened to be plugged in at the same time, and guess which destination for the image... More than 1TB of stuff *poof*. :/

Yet, TeleGraphix which pioneered RIP Graphics, went out of business
at least 25 years ago. I believe Synchronet does offer RIP
support...but it's rare you see it on BBS's anymore, except in a few doorgames. Or, as one former area Sysop noted "I thought RIP was what
you did to a f@rt!!". <G> As a side note, I have the OutWorld Arts RIP Graphics collection that I display in an echo with the GT
Power/AutoSports BBS Network called "The RIP Graphics Gallery". But,
you have to be using something like RIPTel to view it.

Yeah RIP was an interesting idea, but never really took off.


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I like to have an undelete utility around for those kinds of mishaps.. If N>you're running Windows, there's a free utility called Recuva that can recover N>delted files. With Windows, you have to do the recover ASAP because there's N>always the chance Windows could write to the drive while it does OS operation N>and with any writes, there's a chance it could use one of the sectors on the N>drive that your files were using.

I'll have to look for that...and you're right about Windows
overwriting things. I use the IObit program suite of Advanced System
Care, and it may have an undelete deal. You can likely undelete stuff if
in something like Windows Explorer, but I don't think that's possible if
you delete it from a command prompt.

I think ANSI/ASCII and RIP are like apples and oranges - I'm not sure you cou N>have Synchronet codes and RIP in the same file.

I think a separate RIP screen would have to be created.

Modern RIP BBS terminals seem rare these days.. I think there are a couple R N>terminals that will connect to a BBS via telnet. The other option would be t N>use DOSBox or something to make a DOS-based RIP terminal connect via telnet.. N>I think the options are fairly limited.

I think the only RIP Terminal programs are RIPTerm and RIPTel...I
think the former was for dial-up BBS's, and the latter for telnet
logons. As I noted in a previous post, TeleGraphix, who pioneered RIP
Graphics, went out of business over 25 years ago.

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Re: Re: Various Things 2/2
By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Tue Jun 27 2017 08:56 pm

Care, and it may have an undelete deal. You can likely undelete stuff if in something like Windows Explorer, but I don't think that's possible if you delete it from a command prompt.

Deleting files works the same way whether you delete from Windows Explorer or the command prompt. It has to do with the filesystem, not the user interface you're using.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Various Things 2/2
By: Nightfox to Daryl Stout on Wed Jun 28 2017 09:22 am

Re: Re: Various Things 2/2
By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Tue Jun 27 2017 08:56 pm

Care, and it may have an undelete deal. You can likely undelete stuff if in something like Windows Explorer, but I don't think that's possible if you delete it from a command prompt.

Deleting files works the same way whether you delete from Windows Explorer or the command prompt. It has to do with the filesystem, not the user interface you're using.

Not exactly true. With Windows, if you delete a file using the Windows Explorer (and don't have/use the "permanently delete" option, e.g. using Shift-Delete), then the file is moved to the "recyle bin" so it may be easily recovered later. If you delete a file "permanently" using Windows Explorer or from the command prompt (e.g. using "del"), then the recycle bin is not used and then you have to use special (non-Microsoft) tools to recover deleted files.

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Nightfox wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

Deleting files works the same way whether you delete from Windows
Explorer or the command prompt. It has to do with the filesystem, not
the user interface you're using.

Almost, by default, deleting files from Windows Explorer simply moves them to the Recycle Bin, from which they can be restored. Deleting files from the CLI (or using the <SHIFT> key when deleting files from Explorer) bypasses the Recycle Bin, and only dedicated "undelete" utilities can recover those files, provided you are quick enough to perform the undelete, before the OS or some other process overwrites them.


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Tony,

If you insist, I'll just have to point and giggle. :P

The other day, I was at a local Wendy's Restaurant, and I thought I
had the belt on my pants tight enough. I started walking to the table,
and the pants started falling <blush!>. I quickly grabbed them to back
up, as I didn't want to look like so many of these kids, etc. nowadays,
letting their underwear show (they likely don't know what that means,
but even if they did, they may not care).

A fellow Volunteer Examiner razzed me with "Now, I'm going blind!!" :P Seriously, I have lost some weight after two recent urinary tract
surgeries.

Oops. Yeah, those mistakes really suck. I did similar to a USB HDD. I was TL>setting up a CF card for use in a fanless PC, and went to write the Linux im TL>to the card reader. The USB HDD happened to be plugged in at the same time, TL>and guess which destination for the image... More than 1TB of stuff *poof*.

Then, when you go to recover data from the backup, you find that it's corrupted as well. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. I plan to
make a fresh backup later this morning.

Yeah RIP was an interesting idea, but never really took off.

Some doors still have it, either for bulletins, or in the game itself.

Daryl

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Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

If you insist, I'll just have to point and giggle. :P

The other day, I was at a local Wendy's Restaurant, and I thought I
had the belt on my pants tight enough. I started walking to the table,
and the pants started falling <blush!>. I quickly grabbed them to back
up, as I didn't want to look like so many of these kids, etc. nowadays, letting their underwear show (they likely don't know what that means,
but even if they did, they may not care).

Hahaha oops. :)

A fellow Volunteer Examiner razzed me with "Now, I'm going blind!!"

:P Seriously, I have lost some weight after two recent urinary tract

surgeries.

ROFL! :D

Then, when you go to recover data from the backup, you find that it's corrupted as well. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. I plan to
make a fresh backup later this morning.

Yeah RIP was an interesting idea, but never really took off.

Some doors still have it, either for bulletins, or in the game
itself.

Yeah I have done very little to do with RIP. I liked the concept but haven't had the combination of BBS, terminal and decent speed modem together for RIP.
(


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Re: Re: Various Things 2/2
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jun 28 2017 12:38 pm

Deleting files works the same way whether you delete from Windows
Explorer or the command prompt. It has to do with the filesystem, not
the user interface you're using.

Not exactly true. With Windows, if you delete a file using the Windows Explorer (and don't have/use the "permanently delete" option, e.g. using Shift-Delete), then the file is moved to the "recyle bin" so it may be easily recovered later. If you delete a file "permanently" using Windows Explorer or from the command prompt (e.g. using "del"), then the recycle bin is not used and then you have to use special (non-Microsoft) tools to recover deleted files.

True.. I've been in the habit of using shift-delete, so I don't use the recycle bin much.

But I think the physical act of deleting files is the same though ("permanently" deleting, emptying the recycle bin, or deleting from the command prompt). And when using the recycle bin, I never really thought of that as deleting because the file isn't really deleted, just moved to a different location.

Nightfox

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Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-

True.. I've been in the habit of using shift-delete, so I don't use
the recycle bin much.

But I think the physical act of deleting files is the same though ("permanently" deleting, emptying the recycle bin, or deleting from the command prompt). And when using the recycle bin, I never really
thought of that as deleting because the file isn't really deleted, just moved to a different location.

Yes, if you use shift delete, the process and result is identical to using DEL from the command prompt.


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Re: Re: Various Things 2/2
By: Daryl Stout to TONY LANGDON on Wed Jun 28 2017 08:37 am

If you insist, I'll just have to point and giggle. :P

The other day, I was at a local Wendy's Restaurant, and I thought I
had the belt on my pants tight enough. I started walking to the table,
and the pants started falling <blush!>. I quickly grabbed them to back
up, as I didn't want to look like so many of these kids, etc. nowadays,

this means you are old.
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this means you are old.

But, I get my senior citizen discount...which means my bill is cheaper
than everyone else's. None of us is getting any younger, so if they're
going to offer me a senior citizen discount, I'll gladly take it.

Daryl
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On 06/29/17, Mro considered the following...

and the pants started falling <blush!>. I quickly grabbed them to back up, as I didn't want to look like so many of these kids, etc. nowadays,

this means you are old.
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Re: Re: Various Things 2/2
By: Tony Langdon to Daryl Stout on Wed Jun 28 2017 11:19 am

Yeah RIP was an interesting idea, but never really took off.

So was Roboboard and Robo/FX, but apparently what we really needed was a web browser =) Robo was pretty dang sweet for it's time though. I actually went out and bought another grip of 256k simms just to have enough memory to play with it.

...darkwing!

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So was Roboboard and Robo/FX, but apparently what we really needed
was a web browser =) Robo was pretty dang sweet for it's time though.
I actually went out and bought another grip of 256k simms just to have enough memory to play with it.

Now that one I've never heard of. Obviously didn't get well known here. :(


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