sbbsecho:

Hi all

I see many pkt are duplicated for my DB of SBBS
can i tell my tosser to pack them for my downlink
my Downlink can handle the duplicate by itself !!

if not can be ADD !

thx

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Re: sbbsecho
By: Spacesst to All on Fri May 13 2016 05:21 pm

sbbsecho:

Hi all

I see many pkt are duplicated for my DB of SBBS
can i tell my tosser to pack them for my downlink
my Downlink can handle the duplicate by itself !!

if not can be ADD !

Is that a question? If it is, I don't understand it.

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Re: sbbsecho
By: Spacesst to All on Fri May 13 2016 05:21 pm

sbbsecho:

Hi all

I see many pkt are duplicated for my DB of SBBS
can i tell my tosser to pack them for my downlink
my Downlink can handle the duplicate by itself !!

if not can be ADD !

Is that a question? If it is, I don't understand it.

Think he wants to create a bundle from the pkts... it's as good a guess as any.. ;)


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13 May 16 17:21, you wrote to All:

I see many pkt are duplicated for my DB of SBBS

what do you mean the PKT are duplicated? do they all have the same filename? if
so, that's ok... the mailer should send them on to the other system but if it does not, the tosser should /add/ new messages to the PKT... the original BSO mode does use the same filenames because they are based on the destination's address...

can i tell my tosser to pack them for my downlink

if you try to bundle more than one PKT in a mail bundle, those with the same filename will be overwritten unless the tosser unbundles the bundle, adds the mail to the existing PKT and then rebundles the PKT...

my Downlink can handle the duplicate by itself !!

PKT filenames being duplicated does not mean that the messages inside the PKT are duplicated...

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14 May 16 01:03, you wrote to Digital Man:

I see many pkt are duplicated for my DB of SBBS can i tell my tosser to
pack them for my downlink my Downlink can handle the duplicate by
itself !! if not can be ADD !

Is that a question? If it is, I don't understand it.

Think he wants to create a bundle from the pkts... it's as good a guess as any.. ;)

yup but if the PKTs all have the same filename, mail will be lost when the newer PKT is added to a bundle containing a PKT with the same filename...

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14 May 16 01:03, you wrote to Digital Man:

I see many pkt are duplicated for my DB of SBBS can i tell my tosser to
pack them for my downlink my Downlink can handle the duplicate by
itself !! if not can be ADD !

Is that a question? If it is, I don't understand it.

Think he wants to create a bundle from the pkts... it's as good a guess as any.. ;)

yup but if the PKTs all have the same filename, mail will be lost when
the newer PKT is added to a bundle containing a PKT with the same filename...

Who really knows Mark. I'm not sure what he is seeing as it was a wild guess. If all the PKT names are the same then something is wrong. I was assuming there were different PKT's but many of them cluttering his outbound. I took a stab... :)


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Re: sbbsecho
By: mark lewis to Spacesst on Sat May 14 2016 06:36:54

what do you mean the PKT are duplicated? do they all have the same filename? if so, that's ok... the mailer should send them on to the other system but if it does not, the tosser should /add/ new messages to the PKT... the original BSO mode does use the same filenames because they are based on the destination's address...

can i tell my tosser to pack them for my downlink

if you try to bundle more than one PKT in a mail bundle, those with the same filename will be overwritten unless the tosser unbundles the bundle, adds the mail to the existing PKT and then rebundles the PKT...

my Downlink can handle the duplicate by itself !!

PKT filenames being duplicated does not mean that the messages inside the PKT are duplicated...

it not about duplicate PKT filename, it's about receive from uplink and pass thru downlink , No matter of dupplicates messages exist
From now Sbbsecho when found Duplicate do not pass thru Down link

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14 May 16 10:31, you wrote to me:

I see many pkt are duplicated for my DB of SBBS can i tell my tosser
to pack them for my downlink my Downlink can handle the duplicate by
itself !! if not can be ADD !

Is that a question? If it is, I don't understand it.

Think he wants to create a bundle from the pkts... it's as good a
guess as any.. ;)

yup but if the PKTs all have the same filename, mail will be lost
when the newer PKT is added to a bundle containing a PKT with the
same filename...

Who really knows Mark. I'm not sure what he is seeing as it was a
wild guess. If all the PKT names are the same then something is wrong.
I was assuming there were different PKT's but many of them cluttering
his outbound. I took a stab... :)

you did fine... i was just saying that it is possible (i haven't looked at sbbsecho's pkt output in a while) that all PKTs may have the same filename... i
have systems feeding from me that send the same PKT and bundle filenames all the time... trying to archive their mail when it arrives can be a bitch... i had to write a script routine that looks if the file already exists in the archive directory and if it does exist, figure out a new name for it that doesn't also already exist in the archive directory... then the PKT is copied to the archive directory with its new filename which is all logged along with the original filename so that i can find their PKTs in the future if i have to go digging about to find a PKT that had a problem...

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14 May 16 08:54, you wrote to me:

my Downlink can handle the duplicate by itself !!

PKT filenames being duplicated does not mean that the messages inside
the PKT are duplicated...

it not about duplicate PKT filename, it's about receive from uplink
and pass thru downlink , No matter of dupplicates messages exist From
now Sbbsecho when found Duplicate do not pass thru Down link

OH! that's a better explanation... there's a switch in newer sbbsechos that allows for dupes to be passed on to others... i don't recall what it is as we're about 6 months behind in updating from the repo over here...

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Re: sbbsecho
By: mark lewis to Spacesst on Sat May 14 2016 13:51:46

it not about duplicate PKT filename, it's about receive from uplink
and pass thru downlink , No matter of dupplicates messages exist
From now Sbbsecho when found Duplicate do not pass thru Down link

OH! that's a better explanation... there's a switch in newer sbbsechos that allows for dupes to be passed on to others... i don't recall what it is as we're about 6 months behind in updating from the repo over here...

BTW: its Hard sometime to explain myself , english is not my natural Language

That GOOD ! , Can i install that in my 3.16 sbbs or what i need to
sbbsecho does that in this Version !! ( if possible )

or does i have to update my 316 > 317 and all the rest will work fine !

or better wait sbbs 317 still beta....

When will they have a major package/upgrade to get out for sbbs ?


Another Question , Does in Future Sbbs Support long filenames ? for files areas


Thanks MARK !

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Re: sbbsecho
By: mark lewis to Spacesst on Sat May 14 2016 06:36:54

what do you mean the PKT are duplicated? do they all have the same filename? if so, that's ok... the mailer should send them on to the other system but if it does not, the tosser should /add/ new messages to the PKT... the original BSO mode does use the same filenames because they are based on the destination's address...

can i tell my tosser to pack them for my downlink

if you try to bundle more than one PKT in a mail bundle, those with the same filename will be overwritten unless the tosser unbundles the bundle, adds the mail to the existing PKT and then rebundles the PKT...

my Downlink can handle the duplicate by itself !!

PKT filenames being duplicated does not mean that the messages inside the PKT are duplicated...

it not about duplicate PKT filename, it's about receive from uplink and pass thru downlink , No matter of dupplicates messages exist
From now Sbbsecho when found Duplicate do not pass thru Down link

Are you getting fed from two different uplink sources? If so, then sbbsecho will check for duplicate posts within the PKT that exist on your board already (path and seen-bys). If that is the case, then those messages were already passed through to them. sbbsecho is doing what it was programmed to do, stop duplicate messages.

Are these the messages you're seeing in your sbbsecho.log...

05/01/15 00:04:05 COOKING Duplicate message
05/01/15 00:04:05 ERROR smb_addmsg returned 1: duplicate X-FTN-MSGID: 1:123/140 be8a97fd found in message #19714



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since you can customize text.dat colors, how do you customize the sbbsecho colors?

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Re: sbbsecho
By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:48 pm

since you can customize text.dat colors, how do you customize the sbbsecho colors?

You don't. Unless you are willing and able to modify sbbsecho.c. I'll add it to the todo list though. Reading/using strings from sbbsecho.ini should be doable.

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Re: sbbsecho
By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Sun Aug 04 2019 12:10 am

Re: sbbsecho
By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:48 pm

since you can customize text.dat colors, how do you customize the sbbsecho colors?

You don't. Unless you are willing and able to modify sbbsecho.c. I'll add it to the todo list though. Reading/using strings from
sbbsecho.ini should be doable.

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that's great to hear. thank you so much. :-)

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Hey DM,

Would you consider sbbsecho.ini supporting a wildcard include?

eg: in sbbsecho.ini you have "include sbbsecho/*.ini"

Then, the placement of "abc.ini" in the dir sbbsecho/, which would present a new node "abc", could automatically be included when sbbsecho does its processing.

Much the same way other linux wildcard includes work..

I was thinking that would be useful for hubs where an external process could add the required ini file relatively easily and drop it in that dir for a new node.
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Re: sbbsecho
By: alterego to Digital Man on Fri Apr 03 2020 05:39 pm

Hey DM,

Would you consider sbbsecho.ini supporting a wildcard include?

eg: in sbbsecho.ini you have "include sbbsecho/*.ini"

Then, the placement of "abc.ini" in the dir sbbsecho/, which would present a new node "abc", could automatically be included when sbbsecho does its processing.

Much the same way other linux wildcard includes work..

I was thinking that would be useful for hubs where an external process could add the required ini file relatively easily and drop it in that dir for a new node.

The .ini files already support a "!include" directive. It doesn't support wildcards, thought I suppose it could pretty easily.

The problem with that directive and the reason why it's rarely, if ever, used, is editing with a configuration program (e.g. echocfg). Once the file has been "merge" in memory with the !include directive, there's no way for the program to know to re-split the file when saving changes. The program doesn't know what lines came from which files and where to put them back.

So yeah, I could help you to do that, but if you ever used echocfg to edit your sbbsecho.ini, it'd be all merged together into one giant file and likely not what you were hoping for.

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Re: sbbsecho
By: Digital Man to alterego on Fri Apr 03 2020 12:41 am

So yeah, I could help you to do that, but if you ever used echocfg to edit your sbbsecho.ini, it'd be all merged together into one
giant file and likely not what you were hoping for.

Your right, this probably wouldnt be ideal. But for the other reason, I think it would be great.

A step further might be a !include fsx/* - where the could be node ini files, with also domain and echolist ini files (they dont have to be in order do they?) - then config packs could be provided by othernets (if they desired).

If you do implement it (I would still use it), can you make echocfg "warn" when it is invoked, if it detects that the config has been created with included files - just in case somebody goes to use it (out of habit) and the result would be as you say a giant file. (Or by default echocfg ignores included files?)

Just throwing out ideas...
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Re: sbbsecho
By: alterego to Digital Man on Fri Apr 03 2020 09:10 pm

Re: sbbsecho
By: Digital Man to alterego on Fri Apr 03 2020 12:41 am

So yeah, I could help you to do that, but if you ever used echocfg to edit your sbbsecho.ini, it'd be all merged together into one
giant file and likely not what you were hoping for.

Your right, this probably wouldnt be ideal. But for the other reason, I think it would be great.

Okay, this is a feature that *you* would use and then never use echocfg again?

A step further might be a !include fsx/* - where the could be node ini files, with also domain and echolist ini files (they dont have to be in order do they?) - then config packs could be provided by othernets (if they desired).

I think my new init-fidonet.js/ini solves the "config pack" problem already. If a new net comes along, they could just create/release a .ini file that is compatible with init-fidonet.js.

If you do implement it (I would still use it), can you make echocfg "warn" when it is invoked, if it detects that the config has been created with included files - just in case somebody goes to use it (out of habit) and the result would be as you say a giant file. (Or by default echocfg ignores included files?)

Yeah, probably.

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Re: sbbsecho
By: Digital Man to alterego on Fri Apr 03 2020 08:52 am

If you do implement it (I would still use it), can you make echocfg "warn" when it is invoked, if it detects that the config has been created with included files - just in case somebody goes to use it (out of habit) and the result would be as you say a giant file. (Or by default echocfg ignores included files?)

Yeah, probably.

So here's another issue:

SBBSecho itself can update the sbbsecho.ini file in response to AreaFix requests (e.g. changing archive type). This will also expand the sbbsecho.ini to include all the !include'd files, currently. That will also have to be addressed.

Also, assuming that first problem is addressed, if the updated node configuration was *within* one of those !include'd files, that node couldn't be updated via AreaFix or bad things would happen.

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Re: sbbsecho
By: Digital Man to alterego on Fri Apr 03 2020 08:52 am

If you do implement it (I would still use it), can you make echocfg "warn" when it is invoked, if it detects that the config has been created
with included files - just in case somebody goes to use it (out of habit)
and the result would be as you say a giant file. (Or by default echocfg ignores included files?)

Yeah, probably.

So here's another issue:

SBBSecho itself can update the sbbsecho.ini file in response to AreaFix requests (e.g. changing archive type). This will also expand the sbbsecho.ini to include all the !include'd files, currently. That will also have to be addressed.

Also, assuming that first problem is addressed, if the updated node configuration was *within* one of those !include'd files, that node couldn't be updated via AreaFix or bad things would happen.

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Interesting topic.

I admit that like that feature because i am used to "debian.d" includes.

You can easy manage the ini file via the *crudini* tool

The problem are that echocfg generate indents for the options/values
pairs, and raise error for this tool to parse the file.

See: https://github.com/pixelb/crudini/issues/30

[node:4:90/1@fidonet]
<TAB>Name = Momia BBS
<TAB>Comment = Manuel Adorni
<TAB>Archive = ZIP
<TAB>PacketType = 2+


If you can add option that echocfg to generate the file without these
tab, just work

[node:4:90/1@fidonet]
Name = Momia BBS
Comment = Manuel Adorni
Archive = ZIP
PacketType = 2+


# crudini --get sbbsecho.ini "node:4:90/1@fidonet" name
Momia BBS


you can add a node:
crudini --set sbbsecho.ini "node:4:9/9@fidonet" name "FErnando Toledo"
crudini --set sbbsecho.ini "node:4:9/9@fidonet" Archive ZIP
etc...

change the Areafix password:

crudini --set sbbsecho.ini "node:4:9/9@fidonet" AreaFixPwd PEPITO

it's will avoid the use of awk/sed parsings

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Re: Re: sbbsecho
By: Ragnarok to Digital Man on Fri Apr 03 2020 05:11 pm

Interesting topic.

I admit that like that feature because i am used to "debian.d" includes.

You can easy manage the ini file via the *crudini* tool

The problem are that echocfg generate indents for the options/values
pairs, and raise error for this tool to parse the file.

See: https://github.com/pixelb/crudini/issues/30

[node:4:90/1@fidonet]
<TAB>Name = Momia BBS
<TAB>Comment = Manuel Adorni
<TAB>Archive = ZIP
<TAB>PacketType = 2+

If you can add option that echocfg to generate the file without these
tab, just work

It's easier to just change the .ini style (eliminate the indents).

you can add a node:
crudini --set sbbsecho.ini "node:4:9/9@fidonet" name "FErnando Toledo" crudini --set sbbsecho.ini "node:4:9/9@fidonet" Archive ZIP

Nice tip!

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Re: sbbsecho
By: Digital Man to alterego on Fri Apr 03 2020 11:14 am

Also, assuming that first problem is addressed, if the updated node configuration was *within* one of those !include'd files, that node couldn't be updated via AreaFix or bad things would happen.

Ahh, OK, that goes against my goal of automation and self service. I agree that is not desirable, so perhaps this is not a good idea after all.

Thanks for going through it though...
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Re: sbbsecho
By: alterego to Digital Man on Sat Apr 04 2020 09:01 am

Re: sbbsecho
By: Digital Man to alterego on Fri Apr 03 2020 11:14 am

Also, assuming that first problem is addressed, if the updated node configuration was *within* one of those !include'd files, that node couldn't be updated via AreaFix or bad things would happen.

Ahh, OK, that goes against my goal of automation and self service. I agree that is not desirable, so perhaps this is not a good idea after all.

Thanks for going through it though...

Yup. And as a result now, echocfg will refuse to save changes to a .ini file that !include's another. :-)

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Re: sbbsecho
By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:48 pm

You don't. Unless you are willing and able to modify sbbsecho.c. I'll add it to the todo list though. Reading/using strings from sbbsecho.ini should be doable.

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Why not add the lines to text.dat instead?

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Re: sbbsecho
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Apr 03 2020 03:52 pm

Re: sbbsecho
By: The Millionaire to digital man on Sat Aug 03 2019 02:48 pm

You don't. Unless you are willing and able to modify sbbsecho.c. I'll add it to the todo list though. Reading/using strings from sbbsecho.ini should be doable.

Why not add the lines to text.dat instead?

The text.dat is really for use by the terminal server, not external utilities.

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I think I see part of the problem on my sbbsecho issue. Looks like everytime a game packet sends out the outbound folder gets deleted. Has anyone seen this before? I have never seen the outbound folder just disappear.


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Re: sbbsecho
By: poison to All on Sat May 09 2020 09:58 pm

I think I see part of the problem on my sbbsecho issue. Looks like everytime a game packet sends out the outbound folder gets deleted. Has anyone seen this before? I have never seen the outbound folder just disappear.

Neither SBBSecho nor BinkIT delete directories of any kind at any time.

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Re: sbbsecho
By: poison to All on Sat May 09 2020 21:58:52


poison> I think I see part of the problem on my sbbsecho issue. Looks
poison> like everytime a game packet sends out the outbound folder gets
poison> deleted. Has anyone seen this before? I have never seen the
poison> outbound folder just disappear.

some BSO mailers have this as an option... they will remove the empty outbounds... you can turn it off in most cases so they'll leave them alone... it may result in your BSO being ""cluttered"" with .pnt directories created by systems connecting that are advertising point addresses, though... it isn't that big a deal... i have my mailers set to leave the BSO directories alone which makes the tosser slightly faster since it doesn't have to create the directories each time...


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Re: sbbsecho
By: Digital Man to poison on Sat May 09 2020 11:57 pm

Yeah. I don't think its either of those two doing it. No idea why things started acting strange after all these years.


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Re: sbbsecho
By: Rampage to poison on Sun May 10 2020 05:09 am

Re: sbbsecho
By: poison to All on Sat May 09 2020 21:58:52

poison> I think I see part of the problem on my sbbsecho issue. Looks
poison> like everytime a game packet sends out the outbound folder gets
poison> deleted. Has anyone seen this before? I have never seen the
poison> outbound folder just disappear.

some BSO mailers have this as an option... they will remove the empty outbou advertising point addresses, though... it isn't that big a deal... i have my

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That would make sense except there is no setting like that in argus that I know of. The problem started when I moved the mailers directories to
\sbbs\fido\ instead of sbbs\argus where it was originally. It appears argus did not like having a full path and wants the subdirectories under it instead of someplace else. so once I moved them back it was fine.

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