• Bug found in @-codes.

    From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHVN2 to Digital Man on Sunday, July 19, 2015 16:39:57
    Digital Man,

    Hey, I found a bug, or maybe feature request..

    Both at-codes for MSG_FROM_NET and MSG_TO_NET do not work when trying to use the padding functionality such as -R20 or -R####, similarly with L.

    It would be very useful to have this especially to use it with Nightfox's DDMsgReader because, well, simply put, to /see/ this information and put it into the header in a usable manner. :)

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Psi-Jack on Monday, July 20, 2015 00:14:53
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Sun Jul 19 2015 04:39 pm

    Digital Man,

    Hey, I found a bug, or maybe feature request..

    Both at-codes for MSG_FROM_NET and MSG_TO_NET do not work when trying to use the padding functionality such as -R20 or -R####, similarly with L.

    It would be very useful to have this especially to use it with Nightfox's DDMsgReader because, well, simply put, to /see/ this information and put it into the header in a usable manner. :)

    I think it may be the way in you which you're trying to use those at-codes rather than those specific at-codes?

    I don't see anything unique about hte MSG_FROM_NET or MSG_TO_NET at-codes compared with all the others. The padding modifiers are really only supported in display files (e.g. *.asc) - is that how you're using them?

    digital man

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHVN2 to Digital Man on Monday, July 20, 2015 10:22:37
    Hey, Digital Man.

    You had mentioned stuff about upcoming features for Synchronet, and I wanted to try to touch base on a few areas that I'm interested in, maybe can get a little attention on them. :)

    FTN stuff definitely could use a little loving, for example. SBBSEcho's AreaMgr I really would like to see some aspects such as:

    %LIST and associated commands providing descriptions from *.na files if avail. %RESCAN being able to rescan both by which areas, and by how many messages to pull in the scan. Ex: %RESCAN FIDO_SYSOP 1000 -- To rescan only FIDO_SYSOP for the last 1,000 messages (as available of course).

    Second, being able to set per-NetMail flags would be EXTREMELY helpful. For example, I'm writing a netmail to someone that is not my default-route for that zone, or even that specific single address (per sbbsecho.cfg). I might actually /want/ to send that message flagged Crash or Direct, instead of whatever the global default is set to be. Sp long as my mailer itself knows how to contact the address, it should be allowable to do that, maybe with a permission requirement to utilize that specific feature.

    Along the same lines, the FROM address. Right now, Synchronet's fuzzy_zone logic picks the first matching zone number based on the destination address. If, for example, I just happen to have multiple addresses on the same zone, I really want to be able to choose which from address to use. Again maybe a permission to require to specifically set that.

    Likewise in the same boat, SBBSEcho needs to be able to set which full address it will send AS/FROM (not just zone), to various links, like, Areafix might need to come from 24:110/0 (RC address) instead of 24:110/2 (the BBS address itself).


    I say all this because I've tried external entities like GoldEd+ and Husky Project's msgEd, and while they CAN do a lot of this by itself, SBBSecho when it tosses the netmail will still (i think), route it however the routing rules are done, even though in my external netmail manager I told it direct.

    I'd like to basically use Synchronet as my NetMail editor entirely, not depending on an external tool for that feature. (Although, D'Bridge coming to Linux may change all this, we'll see. <G>)

    Synchronet's probably got one of the best support for Windows and Linux console support, which is why I really like it. GoldEd+ and msgEd have limitations on console support, and cryptic use that makes them painfully hard to adapt and use.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Psi-Jack on Monday, July 20, 2015 17:01:05
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Mon Jul 20 2015 10:22 am

    FTN stuff definitely could use a little loving, for example. SBBSEcho's AreaMgr I really would like to see some aspects such as:

    %LIST and associated commands providing descriptions from *.na files if avail. %RESCAN being able to rescan both by which areas, and by how many messages to pull in the scan. Ex: %RESCAN FIDO_SYSOP 1000 -- To rescan only FIDO_SYSOP for the last 1,000 messages (as available of course).

    Second, being able to set per-NetMail flags would be EXTREMELY helpful. For


    that's cool. one suggestion for you is not to play around when connected to msg networks and flood them with dupes :D
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Psi-Jack on Monday, July 20, 2015 16:47:20
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Mon Jul 20 2015 10:22 am

    Second, being able to set per-NetMail flags would be EXTREMELY helpful. For example, I'm writing a netmail to someone that is not my default-route for that zone, or even that specific single address (per sbbsecho.cfg). I might actually /want/ to send that message flagged Crash or Direct, instead of whatever the global default is set to be. Sp long as my mailer itself knows how to contact the address, it should be allowable to do that, maybe with a permission requirement to utilize that specific feature.

    I think you can already do what you're asking for. Read this and let me know: http://synchro.net/docs/networking.html#SendingFidoNetNetMail

    digital man

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Digital Man on Monday, July 20, 2015 20:29:51
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Psi-Jack on Mon Jul 20 2015 04:47 pm

    Second, being able to set per-NetMail flags would be EXTREMELY
    helpful. For example, I'm writing a netmail to someone that is not my
    default-route for that zone, or even that specific single address (per
    sbbsecho.cfg). I might actually /want/ to send that message flagged
    Crash or Direct, instead of whatever the global default is set to be.
    Sp long as my mailer itself knows how to contact the address, it
    should be allowable to do that, maybe with a permission requirement to
    utilize that specific feature.

    I think you can already do what you're asking for. Read this and let me know: http://synchro.net/docs/networking.html#SendingFidoNetNetMail

    Hmmm.. Yes, you're right. Perhaps then better documented is in need. That page, for example, describes CR, FR, FA, and RR. CR is basically Direct and Immediate, IIRC, what about Hold, and just Direct without the immediate?

    But, yeah, hmm. With those, does help a lot with at least the sending status to use. I'll put this into my posting function I wrote to display to appropriate access levels, as a general reminder, so I don't forget this.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Digital Man on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 09:15:18
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Psi-Jack on Mon Jul 20 2015 16:47:20

    I think you can already do what you're asking for. Read this and let me know: http://synchro.net/docs/networking.html#SendingFidoNetNetMail


    I find that a little confusing. My issue however is this. How can I send a netmail Direct, to a node that is not in synchronet's or Binkd's nodelist complete with PW, etc. The route to tables seem to prevent this
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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Joe Delahaye on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:28:16
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Joe Delahaye to Digital Man on Tue Jul 21 2015 09:15 am

    I think you can already do what you're asking for. Read this and let
    me know:
    http://synchro.net/docs/networking.html#SendingFidoNetNetMail

    I find that a little confusing. My issue however is this. How can I send a netmail Direct, to a node that is not in synchronet's or Binkd's nodelist complete with PW, etc. The route to tables seem to prevent this

    Synchronet itself doesn't have any concept of a "nodelist". However, per the page Digital Man showed you, you would, set TO to be Name@zone:net/node[.point], and in the SUBJECT line, to make it at leash Crash, which is the equivalent of Direct and Immediate, your subject would be:

    CR: your_password

    Space optional after the colon.

    So long as binkd knows how to contact that address, your fine.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Joe Delahaye on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 17:46:22
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Joe Delahaye to Digital Man on Tue Jul 21 2015 09:15 am

    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Psi-Jack on Mon Jul 20 2015 16:47:20

    I think you can already do what you're asking for. Read this and let me know: http://synchro.net/docs/networking.html#SendingFidoNetNetMail


    I find that a little confusing. My issue however is this. How can I send a netmail Direct, to a node that is not in synchronet's or Binkd's nodelist complete with PW, etc. The route to tables seem to prevent this

    Synchronet doesn't use a Fido nodelist, so your mailer would have to know how to reach that node (for direct). I can't think of why you'd need a password (assuming that's what you meant by "PW") to send a netmail message. The route_to directives (in the sbbsecho.cfg file) do no prevent sending direct netmail.

    digital man

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Psi-Jack on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 20:13:51
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Joe Delahaye on Tue Jul 21 2015 12:28:16

    I find that a little confusing. My issue however is this. How can I
    send a netmail Direct, to a node that is not in synchronet's or
    Binkd's nodelist complete with PW, etc. The route to tables seem to
    prevent this

    Synchronet itself doesn't have any concept of a "nodelist". However, per the page Digital Man showed you, you would, set TO to be Name@zone:net/node[.point], and in the SUBJECT line, to make it at leash Crash, which is the equivalent of Direct and Immediate, your subject would be:

    CR: your_password

    I know it does not need the nodelist at all. I meant the nodelist created by echoconfig in the Nodes section. Crash BTW, is not Immediate or Direct from what I was told. Crash netmail is still routed if the routing table says so. Direct as the name suggests is supposed to go direct to the recipient <G> Most of the entries in my nodes section have a status of None, except for those who call here to get their mail and they are placed on Hold. I recently sent a netmail to a person NOT in the Nodes section, and thus it got routed as per the table. Sort of defeated the purpose of the test netmail (Freq).
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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Digital Man on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 09:57:48
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Joe Delahaye on Tue Jul 21 2015 17:46:22

    I find that a little confusing. My issue however is this. How can I
    send a netmail Direct, to a node that is not in synchronet's or
    Binkd's nodelist complete with PW, etc. The route to tables seem to
    prevent this

    Synchronet doesn't use a Fido nodelist, so your mailer would have to know how to reach that node (for direct). I can't think of why you'd need a password (assuming that's what you meant by "PW") to send a netmail message. The route_to directives (in the sbbsecho.cfg file) do no prevent sending direct netmail.



    I realize that DM. I meant the nodelist created in the config setup in the Nodes portion. If a node is not in there, it seems to get marked as route to. I use Binkd and it too has a 'nodelist' of sorts. Both places use a PW but only as a session PW. Hope that makes more sense
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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Joe Delahaye on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 15:27:21
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Joe Delahaye to Digital Man on Wed Jul 22 2015 09:57 am

    I find that a little confusing. My issue however is this. How can I
    send a netmail Direct, to a node that is not in synchronet's or
    Binkd's nodelist complete with PW, etc. The route to tables seem to
    prevent this

    Synchronet doesn't use a Fido nodelist, so your mailer would have to
    know how to reach that node (for direct). I can't think of why you'd
    need a password (assuming that's what you meant by "PW") to send a
    netmail message. The route_to directives (in the sbbsecho.cfg file)
    do no prevent sending direct netmail.

    I realize that DM. I meant the nodelist created in the config setup in the Nodes portion. If a node is not in there, it seems to get marked as route to. I use Binkd and it too has a 'nodelist' of sorts. Both places use a PW but only as a session PW. Hope that makes more sense

    Well, I tried a different approach to this just to see..

    I used GoldEd+ to write a Netmail, flagged Direct so it wouldn't, in theory, get routed. sbbsecho packed it, and routed it via my default zone route, completely ignoring the Direct flag on the message.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Joe Delahaye on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 14:30:45
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Joe Delahaye to Digital Man on Wed Jul 22 2015 09:57 am

    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Joe Delahaye on Tue Jul 21 2015 17:46:22

    I find that a little confusing. My issue however is this. How can I
    send a netmail Direct, to a node that is not in synchronet's or
    Binkd's nodelist complete with PW, etc. The route to tables seem to
    prevent this

    Synchronet doesn't use a Fido nodelist, so your mailer would have to know how to reach that node (for direct). I can't think of why you'd need a password (assuming that's what you meant by "PW") to send a netmail message. The route_to directives (in the sbbsecho.cfg file) do no prevent sending direct netmail.



    I realize that DM. I meant the nodelist created in the config setup in the Nodes portion. If a node is not in there, it seems to get marked as route to. I use Binkd and it too has a 'nodelist' of sorts. Both places use a PW but only as a session PW. Hope that makes more sense

    If you set the netmail attributes CRASH or HOLD, the message should not be routed regardless of what is or is not in the sbbsecho.cfg file.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Psi-Jack on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 14:33:07
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Joe Delahaye on Wed Jul 22 2015 03:27 pm

    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Joe Delahaye to Digital Man on Wed Jul 22 2015 09:57 am

    I find that a little confusing. My issue however is this. How can I
    send a netmail Direct, to a node that is not in synchronet's or
    Binkd's nodelist complete with PW, etc. The route to tables seem to
    prevent this

    Synchronet doesn't use a Fido nodelist, so your mailer would have to
    know how to reach that node (for direct). I can't think of why you'd
    need a password (assuming that's what you meant by "PW") to send a
    netmail message. The route_to directives (in the sbbsecho.cfg file)
    do no prevent sending direct netmail.

    I realize that DM. I meant the nodelist created in the config setup in the Nodes portion. If a node is not in there, it seems to get marked as route to. I use Binkd and it too has a 'nodelist' of sorts. Both places use a PW but only as a session PW. Hope that makes more sense

    Well, I tried a different approach to this just to see..

    I used GoldEd+ to write a Netmail, flagged Direct so it wouldn't, in theory, get routed. sbbsecho packed it, and routed it via my default zone route, completely ignoring the Direct flag on the message.

    The direct ("DIR") flag in a message is stored in a kludge line rather than an attribute in the message header. The CRASH and HOLD flags are attribute flags in the header and more widely supported. Try using CRASH instead.

    digital man

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Digital Man on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 21:11:55
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Psi-Jack on Wed Jul 22 2015 02:33 pm

    I used GoldEd+ to write a Netmail, flagged Direct so it wouldn't, in
    theory, get routed. sbbsecho packed it, and routed it via my default
    zone route, completely ignoring the Direct flag on the message.

    The direct ("DIR") flag in a message is stored in a kludge line rather than an attribute in the message header. The CRASH and HOLD flags are attribute flags in the header and more widely supported. Try using CRASH instead.

    I have tested and confirmed this works. Using CR: subject, netmail was packed ignoring the routing and sent direct. Thanks fo having a binkd nodelist processed and available, I was able to send it direct to the destination.

    I honestly didn't realize "DIR" was a kludge.

    So, in curiousity then..
    SCFG->Networking->NetMail Defaults to Direct.
    Does this touch the kludge line to add the flag, or how does it make sbbsecho not route, exactly? Or is this a feature more for ArchMail/AttachMail and not BSO/FLO like the KILLSENT option in the same place Kill NetMail After Sent?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Psi-Jack on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 19:37:54
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Wed Jul 22 2015 09:11 pm

    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Psi-Jack on Wed Jul 22 2015 02:33 pm

    I used GoldEd+ to write a Netmail, flagged Direct so it wouldn't, in
    theory, get routed. sbbsecho packed it, and routed it via my default
    zone route, completely ignoring the Direct flag on the message.

    The direct ("DIR") flag in a message is stored in a kludge line rather than an attribute in the message header. The CRASH and HOLD flags are attribute flags in the header and more widely supported. Try using CRASH instead.

    I have tested and confirmed this works. Using CR: subject, netmail was packed ignoring the routing and sent direct. Thanks fo having a binkd nodelist processed and available, I was able to send it direct to the destination.

    Okay, cool. SBBSecho doesn't search for or act on the FLAGS kludge line (where the "DIR" flag is stuff) in outbound netmail. It could be enhanced to do so, but since the whole .msg parsing/packing thing (for outbound netmail) is on the
    chopping block anyway, I'm not eager to enhance it.

    I honestly didn't realize "DIR" was a kludge.

    It'a a "flag" stored in the "FLAGS" kludge line. FSC-53 has the details.

    So, in curiousity then..
    SCFG->Networking->NetMail Defaults to Direct.
    Does this touch the kludge line to add the flag, or how does it make sbbsecho not route, exactly?

    It adds the "DIR" to the "FLAGS" the kludge line but has no effect on SBBSecho.

    Or is this a feature more for
    ArchMail/AttachMail and not BSO/FLO like the KILLSENT option in the same place Kill NetMail After Sent?

    Right, it's a holdover from FD/attach-style mailer support (where the mailer does all the routing).

    digital man

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Psi-Jack on Thursday, July 23, 2015 09:37:37
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Joe Delahaye on Wed Jul 22 2015 15:27:21

    I realize that DM. I meant the nodelist created in the config setup
    in the Nodes portion. If a node is not in there, it seems to get
    marked as route to. I use Binkd and it too has a 'nodelist' of
    sorts. Both places use a PW but only as a session PW. Hope that
    makes more sense

    Well, I tried a different approach to this just to see..

    I used GoldEd+ to write a Netmail, flagged Direct so it wouldn't, in theory, get routed. sbbsecho packed it, and routed it via my default zone route, completely ignoring the Direct flag on the message.


    Was the node you were writing the netmail to, in the Nodes section of the SBBS sconfiguration? If not, that may have something to do with it.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to Digital Man on Thursday, July 23, 2015 09:49:21
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Joe Delahaye on Wed Jul 22 2015 14:30:45

    If you set the netmail attributes CRASH or HOLD, the message should not be routed regardless of what is or is not in the sbbsecho.cfg file.


    I checked just now, and indeed I had DIRECT set as default for netmail messages, I changed to CRASH as default. and we shall see what that does.
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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Joe Delahaye on Thursday, July 23, 2015 14:53:19
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Joe Delahaye to Psi-Jack on Thu Jul 23 2015 09:37 am

    I used GoldEd+ to write a Netmail, flagged Direct so it wouldn't, in
    theory, get routed. sbbsecho packed it, and routed it via my default
    zone route, completely ignoring the Direct flag on the message.

    Was the node you were writing the netmail to, in the Nodes section of the SBBS sconfiguration? If not, that may have something to do with it.

    Well, as Digital Man said in a responce within this thread.

    Crash and Hold are header attributes in the message, while Direct is actually within the Kludge-line flags.

    IN short and in plain English, sbbsecho checks the header attributes but does not read in the kludge-lines for flags, so Direct has no meaning to sbbsecho itself. Crash is the equivalent of Direct and Immediate as I said before based on past discussions with Rob, because Crash, on NetMail, makes sbbsecho ignore the routing tables setup for it, thus making it direct, and crash is basically "send directly and immediately", and THAT is according to FidoNet specifications. :)

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Digital Man on Thursday, July 23, 2015 17:42:28
    Hello Digital,

    On 22 Jul 15 19:37, Digital Man wrote to Psi-Jack:

    It'a a "flag" stored in the "FLAGS" kludge line. FSC-53 has the
    details.

    FTSC standards are 30 years old. Adding options (like you have for Joe and Myslef in the past) are actually helping Synchronet stay up with the changing times.

    If you don't stay up with FTSC stuff, it's basically a paper tiger these days. They document what WE do to progress FTN. So if Synchronet is the front runner,
    so be it! I think some of the stuff Joe and I have brought up, other tossers already did though, so it was more catching up to stuff above and beyond the standards, but what was in proposals that others have supported. :)

    As always, you can be thanked for your software from all locations in the world, but I specifically thank you for listening, doing, and many times even going above and beyond what you've believed to be "correct" for the past 20+ years. Things will evolve, and Synchronet has and will keep evolving right along with it!

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Accession on Thursday, July 23, 2015 20:04:04
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Thu Jul 23 2015 05:42 pm

    It'a a "flag" stored in the "FLAGS" kludge line. FSC-53 has the
    details.

    FTSC standards are 30 years old. Adding options (like you have for Joe and Myslef in the past) are actually helping Synchronet stay up with the changing times.

    While true, many things haven't changed in those 30 years. Minor things have like nodelist specific flags have been amended and utilized, but other than that... Not much.

    If you don't stay up with FTSC stuff, it's basically a paper tiger these days. They document what WE do to progress FTN. So if Synchronet is the front runner, so be it! I think some of the stuff Joe and I have brought up, other tossers already did though, so it was more catching up to stuff above and beyond the standards, but what was in proposals that others have supported. :)

    As always, you can be thanked for your software from all locations in the world, but I specifically thank you for listening, doing, and many times even going above and beyond what you've believed to be "correct" for the past 20+ years. Things will evolve, and Synchronet has and will keep evolving right along with it!

    My only real issues I'm trying to work out, is the BSO-specific factored limitations not yet implemented. I'm more confident that Synchronet, itself, supports ArchMail/AttachMail more than it does BSO/FLO mail simply because of the discussions that's been going on. :)

    For example, this very comment by DM, about Direct being a Kludge Flag rather than an attribute. While true, sbbsecho itself doesn't acknowledge that for BSO packates as it should.

    If I, for example, /want/ to write a NetMail Direct and Hold, I cannot. These functions I /do/ want to have even if I do not intend to use them very much. They are standards and exist for a reason. Less useful with BSO-Internet style, but still useful just the same.

    Right now, BSO/FLO-wise, my two options for FTN Netmail are:
    Configure Synchronet to use normal routing methods so that all netmail
    normally gets sent, routed.

    For everything else I want to directly send to someone ASAP, use CR: in the subject, then it ignores the routing table and sends directly and immediately.

    That's literally it. There's no direct, there's no hold, unless configured directly for all messages.

    Synchronet was designed first for ArcMail, then BSO came later.

    While, I'm not really complaining about this now that I understand that factor, I do want to get that side of things up to speed as it should be.

    There is /one/ possability I have thought of, too. Cutting Synchronet somewhat out of the loop, but not entirely, depending on how this works.

    Re-configuring Synchronet itself to handle mailer-type as ArcMail, and instead of using sbbsecho for most things netmail, using hpt, then for importing messages into synchronet, using sbbsecho then.

    ^^ I'd rather BSO be better supported, personally. :)

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Accession on Thursday, July 23, 2015 18:15:34
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Thu Jul 23 2015 05:42 pm

    As always, you can be thanked for your software from all locations in the world, but I specifically thank you for listening, doing, and many times even going above and beyond what you've believed to be "correct" for the past 20+ years. Things will evolve, and Synchronet has and will keep evolving right along with it!

    And you can be welcomed: You're very welcome. :-)

    SBBSecho (and FTN in general) is not my favorite piece of software to work on, but I'm glad its still holding up and can be incrementally improved to address the needs of those who explore the limits of its abilities.

    digital man

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Accession on Thursday, July 23, 2015 23:33:00
    Accession wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Hello Digital,

    On 22 Jul 15 19:37, Digital Man wrote to Psi-Jack:

    It'a a "flag" stored in the "FLAGS" kludge line. FSC-53 has the
    details.

    FTSC standards are 30 years old. Adding options (like you have for Joe
    and Myslef in the past) are actually helping Synchronet stay up with
    the changing times.

    If you don't stay up with FTSC stuff, it's basically a paper tiger
    these days. They document what WE do to progress FTN. So if Synchronet
    is the front runner, so be it! I think some of the stuff Joe and I have brought up, other tossers already did though, so it was more catching
    up to stuff above and beyond the standards, but what was in proposals
    that others have supported. :)

    As always, you can be thanked for your software from all locations in
    the world, but I specifically thank you for listening, doing, and many times even going above and beyond what you've believed to be "correct"
    for the past 20+ years. Things will evolve, and Synchronet has and will keep evolving right along with it!

    I agree wholeheartedly. I especially like how DM listens and reacts to what is needed. I've been following PSI-Jack and DM's discussion very closely and the improvements in sbbsecho are wonderful! Thanks to Eric I finally have a htic working flawlessly not only as a incoming tic processor but as a complete fileecho processor as well answering netmail addressed to filefix. I thank both of them for their knowledge... and DM for listening and respecting the users of his wonderful software.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Bill McGarrity on Thursday, July 23, 2015 21:32:52
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Bill McGarrity to Accession on Thu Jul 23 2015 23:33:00

    I agree wholeheartedly. I especially like how DM listens and reacts to what is needed.

    I agree, and I really appreciate DM's continued development and support of Synchronet. I think Synchronet is a great pice of software, and I've been enjoying using it to run my BBS.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, July 24, 2015 04:44:58
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Bill McGarrity on Thu Jul 23 2015 09:32 pm

    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Bill McGarrity to Accession on Thu Jul 23 2015 23:33:00

    I agree wholeheartedly. I especially like how DM listens and reacts to what is needed.

    I agree, and I really appreciate DM's continued development and support of Synchronet. I think Synchronet is a great pice of software, and I've been enjoying using it to run my BBS.


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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Nightfox on Friday, July 24, 2015 10:13:33
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Bill McGarrity on Thu Jul 23 2015 09:32 pm

    I agree wholeheartedly. I especially like how DM listens and reacts
    to what is needed.

    I agree, and I really appreciate DM's continued development and support of Synchronet. I think Synchronet is a great pice of software, and I've been enjoying using it to run my BBS.

    Heh, ditto. Several years before I totally decided to bring my BBS back up full par, I had tried out various BBS software that was available for Linux. That included EleBBS which I liked somewhat because it was RA-like.. Though RA-like, it lacked the same snazz I had put my life-blood into with my BBS 20-something years ago, where I programmed literally half my BBS myself by replacing most parts of RA, ironically. ;)

    I also did, at that time, try Synchronet, and though, front-face value it didn't look as nice, and it was a lot more complex to work with initially, it was indeed better under the hood and I could see a lot of potential with it.

    Later down, several years after that, I actually decided once again to bring up my BBS, and I started with Mystic BBS. Problem with Mystic is, lack of care for Linux terminal support. The configuration engine practically required CP437 just to run the config part of it right, or the mbbsutils, etc etc..

    Synchronet is awesome in these very strong points:
    It's thorough. By darned good design it uses ncurses, sdl, x11, etc, to consistently render the display of it's tools, configuration, etc in a manner that can be used on modern systems, rather than long since dead terminals. ;)

    It fully featured network services, smtp, pop3, nntp, ftp, irc, telnet, ssh, rlogin, etc.. It's not all perfect.. But it's /reaaaally/ close to it. ;)

    It's scriptable with a modern and very powerful language, JavaScript. I was finally able to learn JavaScript enough to actually, for once, use it and use it well.

    It's extensible to the point you can, in most cases, go well beyond and create virtually anything you want out of the BBS. Tell me any other BBS you could literally have designed a full-screen message reader that fully utilizes native code. Mustic comes somewhat close, only if you care to learn an old Pascal-like language (or in my case, re-learn pascal), but even still not as complete.

    So yeah. Kudos DM, Deuce, and everyone else directly involved with Synchronet's continued development. Even you now, Nightfox, for you are now also committing your own stuff directly into Synchronet's CVS codebase. :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Psi-Jack on Friday, July 24, 2015 12:36:48
    I agree, and I really appreciate DM's continued development and support of Synchronet. I think Synchronet is a great pice of software, and I've been enjoying using it to run my BBS.

    Heh, ditto. Several years before I totally decided to bring my BBS back up full par, I had tried out various BBS software that was available for Linux. That included EleBBS which I liked somewhat because it was RA-like.. Though RA-like, it lacked the same snazz I had put my life-blood into with my BBS 20-something years ago, where I programmed literally half my BBS myself by replacing most parts of RA, ironically. ;)

    I also used RA for my original BBS back in the 90s, and when I was looking into software for my current BBS, I was looking into EleBBS since it was RA-like. But
    after I got my EleBBS configured and set up, something seemed off with its event
    system, so I continued looking and found Synchronet, and I haven't looked back.

    Also, I didn't know you could replace parts of RA - I thought it was closed-source.

    I also did, at that time, try Synchronet, and though, front-face value it didn't look as nice, and it was a lot more complex to work with initially, it was indeed better under the hood and I could see a lot of potential with it.

    I felt the same way when I found Synchronet. I suppose the biggest thing for me to
    get used to was that Synchronet doesn't have a traditional menu configuration system that I was used to from other BBS packages (such as RA). But I've gotten
    used to the fact that Synchronet uses command shells for its user interface, and I
    like the fact that it's flexible.

    Synchronet is awesome in these very strong points:
    It's thorough. By darned good design it uses ncurses, sdl, x11, etc, to consistently render the display of it's tools, configuration, etc in a manner that can be used on modern systems, rather than long since dead terminals. ;)

    It fully featured network services, smtp, pop3, nntp, ftp, irc, telnet, ssh, rlogin, etc.. It's not all perfect.. But it's /reaaaally/ close to it. ;)

    It's scriptable with a modern and very powerful language, JavaScript. I was finally able to learn JavaScript enough to actually, for once, use it and use it well.

    That's very true. Synchronet is something that I would consider a fairly significant project - I imagine it took significant time to implement all the server protocols that it supports and make it work well. IMO, Synchronet really is
    a modern "online service" package.

    It's extensible to the point you can, in most cases, go well beyond and create virtually anything you want out of the BBS. Tell me any other BBS you could literally have designed a full-screen message reader that fully utilizes native code. Mustic comes somewhat close, only if you care to learn an old Pascal-like language (or in my case, re-learn pascal), but even still not as complete.

    Yeah, I think Synchronet's JavaScript API is well done, and I like what can be done
    with it. One thing I like about the JavaScript scriptability is that you can write
    a JavaScript script for Synchronet and the JavaScript will run as-is on any platform where Synchronet runs, be it Windows, Linux, OS X, etc.. The downside is
    that Synchronet's JS scripts (naturally) only work with Synchronet, but the multi-
    platform nature of JS is nice.

    So yeah. Kudos DM, Deuce, and everyone else directly involved with Synchronet's continued development. Even you now, Nightfox, for you are now also committing your own stuff directly into Synchronet's CVS codebase. :)

    I enjoy being able to contribute something, and I'm glad you find my contributions
    useful.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, July 24, 2015 13:38:53
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 24 2015 12:36 pm

    I also used RA for my original BBS back in the 90s, and when I was looking into software for my current BBS, I was looking into EleBBS since it was RA-like. But
    after I got my EleBBS configured and set up, something seemed off with its event
    system, so I continued looking and found Synchronet, and I haven't looked back.

    I felt the same way when I found Synchronet. I suppose the biggest thing for me to
    get used to was that Synchronet doesn't have a traditional menu configuration system that I was used to from other BBS packages (such as RA). But I've gotten
    used to the fact that Synchronet uses command shells for its user interface, and I
    like the fact that it's flexible.

    That's very true. Synchronet is something that I would consider a fairly significant project - I imagine it took significant time to implement all the server protocols that it supports and make it work well. IMO, Synchronet really is
    a modern "online service" package.

    Yeah, I think Synchronet's JavaScript API is well done, and I like what can be done
    with it. One thing I like about the JavaScript scriptability is that you can write
    a JavaScript script for Synchronet and the JavaScript will run as-is on any platform where Synchronet runs, be it Windows, Linux, OS X, etc.. The downside is
    that Synchronet's JS scripts (naturally) only work with Synchronet, but the multi-
    platform nature of JS is nice.

    The word-wrapping of this message body was "different". I'm not sure if this was on purpose or you're experimenting with something. I know Deuce recently over-hauled the word-wrap function in Synchronet and I'm hoping that's not the cause.

    digital man

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Psi-Jack on Friday, July 24, 2015 14:17:43
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Fri Jul 24 2015 10:13 am

    Later down, several years after that, I actually decided once again to bring up my BBS, and I started with Mystic BBS. Problem with Mystic is, lack of care for Linux terminal support. The configuration engine practically required CP437 just to run the config part of it right, or the mbbsutils, etc etc..

    On Linux, SyncTERM can attach to a pty (ie: a shell) just like xterm or other terminal programs. In this mode, it sets the TERMCAP environment variable, and
    should allow the Mystic utilities to run correctly.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Friday, July 24, 2015 14:24:41
    can write
    a JavaScript script for Synchronet and the JavaScript will run as-is
    on
    any platform where Synchronet runs, be it Windows, Linux, OS X, etc..
    The downside is
    that Synchronet's JS scripts (naturally) only work with Synchronet,
    but
    the multi-
    platform nature of JS is nice.

    The word-wrapping of this message body was "different". I'm not sure if
    this
    was on purpose or you're experimenting with something. I know Deuce
    recently
    over-hauled the word-wrap function in Synchronet and I'm hoping that's
    not
    the cause.

    hmm.. I replied using the web interface. I'm still using the original Synchronet web interface for message forums (not the ecweb interface - I
    don't remember the name of the other one). Perhaps I have some files for
    my web interface that are out of date.

    Nightfox

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Nightfox on Friday, July 24, 2015 18:00:18
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 24 2015 12:36 pm

    Heh, ditto. Several years before I totally decided to bring my BBS
    back up full par, I had tried out various BBS software that was
    available for Linux. That included EleBBS which I liked somewhat
    because it was RA-like.. Though RA-like, it lacked the same snazz I
    had put my life-blood into with my BBS 20-something years ago, where I
    programmed literally half my BBS myself by replacing most parts of RA,
    ironically. ;)

    I also used RA for my original BBS back in the 90s, and when I was looking into software for my current BBS, I was looking into EleBBS since it was RA-like. But
    after I got my EleBBS configured and set up, something seemed off with its event
    system, so I continued looking and found Synchronet, and I haven't looked back.

    Also, I didn't know you could replace parts of RA - I thought it was closed-source.

    Well, they had specifications so you could tie into a lot of their things, message bases, file bases, etc.. I tapped them all. Every single one. :)

    I felt the same way when I found Synchronet. I suppose the biggest thing for me to
    get used to was that Synchronet doesn't have a traditional menu configuration system that I was used to from other BBS packages (such as RA). But I've gotten
    used to the fact that Synchronet uses command shells for its user interface, and I
    like the fact that it's flexible.

    Yeah, exactly! That caught me off guard for a while. Because I wanted to do it in JavaScript since that's kinda what I was wanting to get into. Sure enough I did, and once I did that... Everything started coming together. :D

    Yeah, I think Synchronet's JavaScript API is well done, and I like what can be done
    with it. One thing I like about the JavaScript scriptability is that you can write
    a JavaScript script for Synchronet and the JavaScript will run as-is on any platform where Synchronet runs, be it Windows, Linux, OS X, etc.. The downside is
    that Synchronet's JS scripts (naturally) only work with Synchronet, but the multi-
    platform nature of JS is nice.

    Heh yeah. I'm making another "mod" per-se, for Synchronet using JavaScript. ftn-tools.js with configuration to enable/disable things so you can run the full tosser system within javascript, cross-platform. So long as you have the 3rd-party software to go with it, like htick.

    I enjoy being able to contribute something, and I'm glad you find my contributions
    useful.

    Welp, I certainly do. I use SlyEdit and DDMsgReader constantly. I use some of your other mods too, which could use the benefits of PgUp/PgDown, like the area changer. :D

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Deuce on Friday, July 24, 2015 18:02:11
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Deuce to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 24 2015 02:17 pm

    Later down, several years after that, I actually decided once again to
    bring up my BBS, and I started with Mystic BBS. Problem with Mystic
    is, lack of care for Linux terminal support. The configuration engine
    practically required CP437 just to run the config part of it right, or
    the mbbsutils, etc etc..

    On Linux, SyncTERM can attach to a pty (ie: a shell) just like xterm or other terminal programs. In this mode, it sets the TERMCAP environment variable, and should allow the Mystic utilities to run correctly.

    Hmmm.. I never thought of that actually. I actually used putty most of the time for stuff like that, when I was trying out Mystic anyway.

    But even still, that limitation by itself urks me, and synchronet doesn't have that issue, so it's null and void. :)

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Psi-Jack on Friday, July 24, 2015 21:04:46
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Fri Jul 24 2015 10:13 am

    So yeah. Kudos DM, Deuce, and everyone else directly involved with Synchronet's continued development. Even you now, Nightfox, for you are now also committing your own stuff directly into Synchronet's CVS codebase. :)



    gee, imagine how enthusiastic you would have been when we actually had users.

    It fully featured network services, smtp, pop3, nntp, ftp, irc, telnet,
    ssh, rlogin, etc.. It's not all perfect.. But it's /reaaaally/ close to it.

    the best part about synchronet is still the bbs side.
    i wouldnt run synchronet's services as my main go-to for webserver, ftp, irc, smtp, etc. they have difficulty handling a large load(sometimes making users on the bbs experience slowdowns) that other popular alternatives have no problems with. i'm not saying i dont like them, (and some i run on alternate ports)they just need some work.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Psi-Jack on Friday, July 24, 2015 19:32:35
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Fri Jul 24 2015 18:00:18

    Also, I didn't know you could replace parts of RA - I thought it was
    closed-source.

    Well, they had specifications so you could tie into a lot of their things, message bases, file bases, etc.. I tapped them all. Every single one. :)

    Ah, you mean doors? ;) There were some RA doors that I used to replace some of the stock functionality, such as the file listing/tagging and some other things.

    Welp, I certainly do. I use SlyEdit and DDMsgReader constantly. I use some of your other mods too, which could use the benefits of PgUp/PgDown, like the area changer. :D

    My area changers do use Page Up and Page Down for page navigation..

    Nightfox

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 00:32:49
    On 07/24/2015 10:32 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Fri Jul 24 2015 18:00:18

    Ni>> Also, I didn't know you could replace parts of RA - I thought it was
    Ni>> closed-source.

    Ps> Well, they had specifications so you could tie into a lot of their things,
    Ps> message bases, file bases, etc.. I tapped them all. Every single one. :)

    Ah, you mean doors? ;) There were some RA doors that I used to replace some of
    the stock functionality, such as the file listing/tagging and some other things.

    Essentially yes. I had bought a couple things, like IceChat and IceEdit,
    but the rest, I custom made myself. I even had a toggle access flag that
    you could toggle in settings to enable/disable lightbar menus, which
    again, loaded up external doors to provide menus in lightbar. heh

    My favorite, though, was the file system was totally awesome. Very easy
    to find things, browse things. And The Reader, I had made an alternative
    to that door of my own make and it was faster.

    Ps> Welp, I certainly do. I use SlyEdit and DDMsgReader constantly. I use some
    Ps> of your other mods too, which could use the benefits of PgUp/PgDown, like
    Ps> the area changer. :D

    My area changers do use Page Up and Page Down for page navigation..

    Ahh, that's right, it was actually not that, but that on the last page
    (or only page), pgdown doesn't go to the last entry, nor the first on
    the first (or only) page. Simpler things. :)

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 00:43:31
    On 07/24/2015 05:24 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    > > can write
    > > a JavaScript script for Synchronet and the JavaScript will run as-is on
    > > any platform where Synchronet runs, be it Windows, Linux, OS X, etc..
    > > The downside is
    > > that Synchronet's JS scripts (naturally) only work with Synchronet, but
    > > the multi-
    > > platform nature of JS is nice.

    > The word-wrapping of this message body was "different". I'm not sure if this
    > was on purpose or you're experimenting with something. I know Deuce recently
    > over-hauled the word-wrap function in Synchronet and I'm hoping that's not
    > the cause.

    hmm.. I replied using the web interface. I'm still using the original Synchronet web interface for message forums (not the ecweb interface - I don't remember the name of the other one). Perhaps I have some files for
    my web interface that are out of date.

    Hmm, well, this is me replying using NNTP using Thunderbird. Heh, looks
    like I need to try to configure Thunderbird's reply format a bit, maybe
    take out the excess spaces somehow. heh

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Digital Man on Saturday, July 25, 2015 04:40:07
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Jul 24 2015 01:38 pm

    The word-wrapping of this message body was "different". I'm not sure if this was on purpose or you're experimenting with something. I know Deuce recently over-hauled the word-wrap function in Synchronet and I'm hoping that's not the cause.

    It seems to look the same using the top-secret raw input mode thingie... I suspect another 132 column user...

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Saturday, July 25, 2015 04:45:26
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 24 2015 09:04 pm

    gee, imagine how enthusiastic you would have been when we actually had users.

    Gee, imagine how great DOVE-Net would be without you.

    Sysops...

    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.

    i wouldnt run synchronet's services as my main go-to for webserver, ftp, irc, smtp, etc. they have difficulty handling a large load(sometimes making users on the bbs experience slowdowns) that other popular alternatives have no problems with. i'm not saying i dont like them, (and some i run on alternate ports)they just need some work.

    No details, just bitching. This is what this guy does.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deuce on Saturday, July 25, 2015 11:29:43
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Deuce to Digital Man on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:40:07

    The word-wrapping of this message body was "different". I'm not sure
    if this was on purpose or you're experimenting with something. I know
    Deuce recently over-hauled the word-wrap function in Synchronet and
    I'm hoping that's not the cause.

    It seems to look the same using the top-secret raw input mode thingie... I suspect another 132 column user...

    Nope - I had posted that message from the web interface.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Saturday, July 25, 2015 11:32:06
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 24 2015 21:04:46

    So yeah. Kudos DM, Deuce, and everyone else directly involved with
    Synchronet's continued development. Even you now, Nightfox, for you
    are now also committing your own stuff directly into Synchronet's CVS
    codebase. :)

    gee, imagine how enthusiastic you would have been when we actually had users.

    You certainly never seem enthusiastic about anything. Imagine how you (and everyone else) might feel if you focused your energy toward more positive things rather than complaining and making snarky remarks.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deuce on Saturday, July 25, 2015 11:34:59
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Deuce to Mro on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:45:26

    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.

    I recently found that if you add someone to the twit list, Synchronet blocks not only their posts, but other peoples' posts to that user as well. I think it would be useful if Synchronet had a way to block posts from someone but not other peoples' posts to that person.

    Nightfox

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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 16:32:43
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Deuce on Sat Jul 25 2015 11:34 am

    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to
    avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.

    I recently found that if you add someone to the twit list, Synchronet blocks not only their posts, but other peoples' posts to that user as well. I think it would be useful if Synchronet had a way to block posts from someone but not other peoples' posts to that person.

    I dunno.. I kinda like it. Anyone still responding to that troll I don't care to have on my system either. Enough is enough already, with that guy.

    100% problem, 0% useful.

    )))[Psi-Jack -//- Decker]

    ... A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 17:22:41
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Jul 25 2015 11:32 am


    You certainly never seem enthusiastic about anything. Imagine how you (and everyone else) might feel if you focused your energy toward more positive things rather than complaining and making snarky remarks.

    in the last 15 years, every year i've focused my energy and money on promoting bbses and running free bbs services. infact, you are a member of more than one of them. i used to spend a couple hours a day just going on forums/myspace/facebook answering questions and trying to get people involved in bbsing. i spent hundreds of dollars on google ads to promote my and other people's bbses. i've given people money, computers, and hardware. i've stayed up with people until 3-4am when i knew i have to get up at 5am.

    i hope you dont think you are the shit just because you code a javascript editor. it's not even as good as ice edit or quikedit.

    infact, i bet you havent ever called a bbs that wasnt a synchronet bbs.

    if you dont like my attitude, just ignore me. it's not like i'm lying and making stuff up. i'm supposed to turn a blind eye to the face that bbsing has very very few actual users? just be positive about it and dont mention it, eh?

    seriously, kiss my ass.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Psi-Jack on Saturday, July 25, 2015 17:26:21
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:32 pm

    well. I think it would be useful if Synchronet had a way to block
    posts from someone but not other peoples' posts to that person.

    I dunno.. I kinda like it. Anyone still responding to that troll I don't care to have on my system either. Enough is enough already, with that guy.

    100% problem, 0% useful.


    well, you've only been here a few months, so your opinion is pretty useless. just as useless as your .js mods and your boring bbs with the old ansi screens you found in an ansi pack.

    anyways, i'm not causing any harm. and i'm not a troll. i mean everything i say.

    honestly, is it against the rules here to not be postive 100% of the time?
    do we all have to think and act the same way here? just go along pretending bbses are booming and we're all developers doing important shit, eh?
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to All on Saturday, July 25, 2015 17:27:43
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:32 pm

    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Deuce on Sat Jul 25 2015 11:34 am

    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to
    avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.


    whats ironic is i've had deuce in my twitlist about 5 years.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Psi-Jack on Saturday, July 25, 2015 16:49:18
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 16:32:43

    I recently found that if you add someone to the twit list,
    Synchronet blocks not only their posts, but other peoples' posts to
    that user as well. I think it would be useful if Synchronet had a
    way to block posts from someone but not other peoples' posts to that
    person.

    I dunno.. I kinda like it. Anyone still responding to that troll I don't care to have on my system either. Enough is enough already, with that guy.

    The people who respond to him aren't typically trolling. It's his messages that are typically the trollish ones.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Saturday, July 25, 2015 16:52:56
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:22:41

    i hope you dont think you are the shit just because you code a javascript editor. it's not even as good as ice edit or quikedit.

    Nope. I'm not the type to think I'm "the shit" for that kind of thing.

    infact, i bet you havent ever called a bbs that wasnt a synchronet bbs.

    You really don't know me, so you don't have any business making such assumptions. In fact, I had never even heard of Synchronet until 2007 when I was looking around for modern BBS packages. Back in the 90s, I used to run RemoteAccess and called quite a few other boards in my area - I don't remember anyone running a Synchronet BBS in my area back then.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Saturday, July 25, 2015 16:58:37
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:26:21

    anyways, i'm not causing any harm. and i'm not a troll. i mean everything

    You're not causing any harm except for pissing everyone off (if you haven't noticed already).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Saturday, July 25, 2015 16:59:49
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to All on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:27:43

    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to
    avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.

    whats ironic is i've had deuce in my twitlist about 5 years.

    What's ironic is that you use Synchronet and also have one of the Synchronet developers in your twitlist.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 19:10:21
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:49 pm


    The people who respond to him aren't typically trolling. It's his messages that are typically the trollish ones.


    you guys dont know what a troll or trolling is. i'm not just saying stuff to piss people off or cause problems and sitting back and laughing.
    i mean the stuff i am saying.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 19:11:18
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:52 pm

    You really don't know me, so you don't have any business making such assumptions. In fact, I had never even heard of Synchronet until 2007 when I was looking around for modern BBS packages. Back in the 90s, I used to run RemoteAccess and called quite a few other boards in my area - I don't remember anyone running a Synchronet BBS in my area back then.

    i've known you since you came back into bbsing.
    i've talked to you online, in tons of emails and in msg areas.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 20:10:15
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:58 pm

    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:26:21

    anyways, i'm not causing any harm. and i'm not a troll. i mean everything

    You're not causing any harm except for pissing everyone off (if you haven't noticed already).


    nah i dont think i'm pissing EVERYONE off.

    and all i said was imagine his enthusiasm if it was during the time
    when we had users. then you couple guys were like "ban him! ban him!"
    you people need to lighten up and accept people that think differently than you. you dont need to eliminate someone or something if it doesnt fit your personal views.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 20:10:56
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:59 pm

    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to All on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:27:43

    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to De>>> avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.

    whats ironic is i've had deuce in my twitlist about 5 years.

    What's ironic is that you use Synchronet and also have one of the
    Synchronet developers in your twitlist.


    yeah, but i hate everything deuce does!
    i will say that he's good at finishing other people's work , though.
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  • From Psi-Jack@VERT/DECKHEVN to Nightfox on Saturday, July 25, 2015 23:14:30
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Sat Jul 25 2015 04:49 pm

    I recently found that if you add someone to the twit list,
    Synchronet blocks not only their posts, but other peoples' posts to
    that user as well. I think it would be useful if Synchronet had a
    way to block posts from someone but not other peoples' posts to
    that person.

    I dunno.. I kinda like it. Anyone still responding to that troll I
    don't care to have on my system either. Enough is enough already,
    with that guy.

    The people who respond to him aren't typically trolling. It's his messages that are typically the trollish ones.

    While also true, the message(s) they are replying to from him, are almost guaranteed to be trolling just the same, so in my book, completely reducing the conversation to a /dev/null is the best way. Something unfortunately that can't be done on IRC, but Synchronet's twit list I like it because it covers both sides of the conversation to/from that twit (aka troll).

    I've dealt with and moderated a lot of trolls in various communities. It's always better to simply put a full stop to it, lest the noise of the matter carry on endlessly.

    )))[Psi-Jack -//- Decker]

    ... But, He has not one redeeming vice.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Saturday, July 25, 2015 20:27:51
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 20:10:15

    you people need to lighten up and accept people that think differently than you. you dont need to eliminate someone or something if it doesnt fit your personal views.

    There's no problem with someone thinking differently, but to be honest, you've tended to not be very civil about it and have made a lot of snarky remarks (such as your comment in the advertising area recently where you said they should customize their board when they clearly said they did and had added some doors). I also remember a discussion not too long ago where you told someone you thought he should go kill himself or something to that effect. People aren't going to accept that kind of thing as just someone thinking differently. That's the kind of thing that makes someone simply unpleasant to deal with, and people just don't want that kind of interaction.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Saturday, July 25, 2015 20:29:46
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 19:11:18

    You really don't know me, so you don't have any business making such
    assumptions. In fact, I had never even heard of Synchronet until 2007
    when I was looking around for modern BBS packages. Back in the 90s, I
    used to run RemoteAccess and called quite a few other boards in my
    area - I don't remember anyone running a Synchronet BBS in my area
    back then.

    i've known you since you came back into bbsing.
    i've talked to you online, in tons of emails and in msg areas.

    Yet you made a comment that I had probably never called a BBS that wasn't running Synchronet. We've never really talked about anything ouside of the context of BBSing, and I wouldn't say we have interacted often. So I don't really feel like you know me very well.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Psi-Jack on Saturday, July 25, 2015 21:00:17
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 23:14:30

    The people who respond to him aren't typically trolling. It's his
    messages that are typically the trollish ones.

    While also true, the message(s) they are replying to from him, are almost guaranteed to be trolling just the same, so in my book, completely reducing the conversation to a /dev/null is the best way. Something unfortunately that can't be done on IRC, but Synchronet's twit list I like it because it covers both sides of the conversation to/from that twit (aka troll).

    I've dealt with and moderated a lot of trolls in various communities. It's always better to simply put a full stop to it, lest the noise of the matter carry on endlessly.

    I suppose that makes sense. I mainly wouldn't really want to miss something from someone else in a message to such a person that might be relevant. But I suppose you're right that it can help to just block all conversations from & to a trollish person.

    Nightfox

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  • From spacesst@VERT/SPACESST to Mro on Saturday, July 25, 2015 22:47:15
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:22:41

    You certainly never seem enthusiastic about anything. Imagine how you
    (and everyone else) might feel if you focused your energy toward more
    positive things rather than complaining and making snarky remarks.

    in the last 15 years, every year i've focused my energy and money on promoting bbses and running free bbs services. infact, you are a member of more than one of them. i used to spend a couple hours a day just going on forums/myspace/facebook answering questions and trying to get people involved in bbsing. i spent hundreds of dollars on google ads to promote my and other people's bbses. i've given people money, computers, and hardware. i've stayed up with people until 3-4am when i knew i have to get up at 5am.

    i hope you dont think you are the shit just because you code a javascript editor. it's not even as good as ice edit or quikedit.

    infact, i bet you havent ever called a bbs that wasnt a synchronet bbs.

    if you dont like my attitude, just ignore me. it's not like i'm lying and making stuff up. i'm supposed to turn a blind eye to the face that bbsing has very very few actual users? just be positive about it and dont mention it, eh?

    Wow, You are a rare person who care that rare !

    seriously, kiss my ass.

    i Want can not !

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Psi-Jack on Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:14:55
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 11:14 pm


    I've dealt with and moderated a lot of trolls in various communities. It's always better to simply put a full stop to it, lest the noise of the matter carry on endlessly.


    you keep using that word. i dont think it means what you think it means.

    you're the kind of person who ONLY wants to be surrounded by like minded people. you are small minded and do not want to be challenged or see other people's points of views.

    not only that, but you are extraordinarly boring. you have autism or assburgers or something.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:16:49
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Jul 25 2015 08:27 pm

    There's no problem with someone thinking differently, but to be honest, you've tended to not be very civil about it and have made a lot of snarky remarks (such as your comment in the advertising area recently where you said they should customize their board when they clearly said they did and had added some doors). I also remember a discussion not too long ago where

    you are seeing what you want to see.

    did you call this person's bbs? he had all stock screens, no msgs, and he added 2 doorgames.

    i also remember a discussion not too long ago where
    you told someone you thought he should go kill himself or something to that effect.

    well he should have killed himself!

    thinking differently. That's the kind of thing that makes someone simply unpleasant to deal with, and people just don't want that kind of interaction.

    anybody that knows me, likes me.
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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Nightfox on Sunday, July 26, 2015 22:19:23
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Deuce on Sat Jul 25 2015 11:29 am

    It seems to look the same using the top-secret raw input mode thingie... I suspect another 132 column user...

    Nope - I had posted that message from the web interface.

    Which one?

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Nightfox on Sunday, July 26, 2015 22:20:53
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Deuce on Sat Jul 25 2015 11:34 am

    I recently found that if you add someone to the twit list, Synchronet blocks not only their posts, but other peoples' posts to that user as well. I think it would be useful if Synchronet had a way to block posts from someone but not other peoples' posts to that person.

    If it did that, you would still see their posts via quotes... this would just end up being confusing since you would see the replies without the context.

    It would be easy enough to write a script that deletes posts from a single user
    after importing though if you really want that (or want to experiment and see).

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Sunday, July 26, 2015 22:25:37
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 05:22 pm

    if you dont like my attitude, just ignore me. it's not like i'm lying and making stuff up. i'm supposed to turn a blind eye to the face that bbsing has very very few actual users? just be positive about it and dont mention it, eh?

    Sometimes you do lie and make stuff up, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you give horribly bad advice and you're almost always a poisonous influence.

    We would actually like it if you went away forever and never came back again. Many of us feel that you being "the face of BBSing" is a big part of the problem. No matter how hard you work, as long as it's YOU, the (very few) new users we get will continue to be turned away off of BBSing very quickly.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Sunday, July 26, 2015 22:27:34
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Sat Jul 25 2015 05:26 pm

    anyways, i'm not causing any harm. and i'm not a troll. i mean everything i say.

    Yes you are and yes you are. You shit on everyone as a matter of course. The fact that you mean every word of it means you're even worse than a regual internet troll who just wants to piss people off for kicks.

    do we all have to think and act the same way here? just go along pretending bbses are booming and we're all developers doing important shit, eh?

    No, but it would be nice if we pretended to be civilized human beings.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Sunday, July 26, 2015 22:29:05
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to All on Sat Jul 25 2015 05:27 pm

    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to
    avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.

    whats ironic is i've had deuce in my twitlist about 5 years.

    That is not ironic, that's symptomatic. What's ironic is that I seem to recall
    talking Digital Man out of banning you from DOVE-Net years ago.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Sunday, July 26, 2015 22:32:19
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 07:10 pm

    you guys dont know what a troll or trolling is. i'm not just saying stuff to piss people off or cause problems and sitting back and laughing.
    i mean the stuff i am saying.

    From Wikipedia:

    In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous,
    or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3]

    [1] http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/troll
    [2] http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=trolling&i=53181,00.asp# [3] http://kb.iu.edu/data/afhc.html

    So yeah, you're a troll.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Sunday, July 26, 2015 22:35:48
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Sun Jul 26 2015 11:14 am

    you're the kind of person who ONLY wants to be surrounded by like minded people. you are small minded and do not want to be challenged or see other people's points of views.

    Says the owner of one of the largest twitlists on DOVE-Net.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Mro on Sunday, July 26, 2015 22:36:21
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Jul 26 2015 11:16 am

    anybody that knows me, likes me.

    That is false since you stated that exchanging a few emails and posts with someone is enough to know them.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, July 27, 2015 01:24:39
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Fri Jul 24 2015 02:24 pm

    can write
    a JavaScript script for Synchronet and the JavaScript will run as-is
    on
    any platform where Synchronet runs, be it Windows, Linux, OS X, etc.. The downside is
    that Synchronet's JS scripts (naturally) only work with Synchronet,
    but
    the multi-
    platform nature of JS is nice.

    The word-wrapping of this message body was "different". I'm not sure if
    this
    was on purpose or you're experimenting with something. I know Deuce
    recently
    over-hauled the word-wrap function in Synchronet and I'm hoping that's
    not
    the cause.

    hmm.. I replied using the web interface. I'm still using the original Synchronet web interface for message forums (not the ecweb interface - I don't remember the name of the other one). Perhaps I have some files for
    my web interface that are out of date.

    Hm. I'm pretty sure the old web interface forced an 80-column message editor mode (and word-wrap), perhaps something else happened.

    digital man

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deuce on Monday, July 27, 2015 07:51:44
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Deuce to Nightfox on Sun Jul 26 2015 22:19:23

    It seems to look the same using the top-secret raw input mode
    thingie... I suspect another 132 column user...

    Nope - I had posted that message from the web interface.

    Which one?

    The original web interface (not the echicken interface - I don't remember the name of the original interface offhand).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deuce on Monday, July 27, 2015 07:52:36
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Deuce to Nightfox on Sun Jul 26 2015 22:20:53

    I recently found that if you add someone to the twit list, Synchronet
    blocks not only their posts, but other peoples' posts to that user as
    well. I think it would be useful if Synchronet had a way to block
    posts from someone but not other peoples' posts to that person.

    If it did that, you would still see their posts via quotes... this would just end up being confusing since you would see the replies without the context.

    I suppose that's true, but people often quote what they're replying to, so I'm not sure how big of a deal that would be. I might just go ahead and use the twit list and be done with it.

    Nightfox

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Mro on Monday, July 27, 2015 10:57:40
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to All on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:27:43

    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to
    avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.

    whats ironic is i've had deuce in my twitlist about 5 years.

    Is the "ironic" part the fact that despite this, you're still seeing his messages?

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Mro on Monday, July 27, 2015 11:24:01
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:22:41

    in the last 15 years, every year i've focused my energy and money on promoting bbses and running free bbs services. infact, you are a member of

    my and other people's bbses. i've given people money, computers, and hardware. i've stayed up with people until 3-4am when i knew i have to get up at 5am.

    These aren't counterpoints - they're excuses. The fact that you're helpful on occasion doesn't mean that you aren't negative and mean-spirited on many others. Making a positive contribution from time to time isn't a way of buying Asshole Credits that you can spend with impunity when you feel like it.

    I mean, go ahead and be a jerk if you wish - but it's silly to act as if you're somehow entitled to it because of some shitty tech support and a few crappy web pages.

    i hope you dont think you are the shit just because you code a javascript editor. it's not even as good as ice edit or quikedit.

    Does he need to be "the shit" before he can disagree with you? Do you have any useful tips to help him improve his editor, or is this just more empty unhelpful criticism? Is Javascript bad? Why? What language should he write his editor in so that it will meet with your approval?

    seriously, kiss my ass.

    Clever and thought-provoking.

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Mro on Monday, July 27, 2015 11:35:16
    Re: Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Sat Jul 25 2015 17:26:21

    well, you've only been here a few months, so your opinion is pretty useless. just as useless as your .js mods and your boring bbs with the old

    You should post the rules somewhere, so that people can determine when and how they will become entitled to an opinion.

    honestly, is it against the rules here to not be postive 100% of the time?

    I don't think that the problem is that you aren't positive 100% of the time, but that you're negative 98% of the time. People aren't saying "Come on, man - let's act super nice to each other and pretend that everything is great!" They're saying that your constant shitting on everything gets to be a real drag after a while.

    And yes, they could just ignore you - but I suspect they'd rather encourage you to change your attitude, or go away entirely. Both of those options would be a more positive change than another entry in another twitfilter.

    pretending bbses are booming and we're all developers doing important shit, eh?

    I see a bunch of hobbyists doing something that they enjoy, nothing more. If anybody thinks that this is "important", they need to re-examine their life.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to echicken on Monday, July 27, 2015 09:24:18
    Add the line "Mro" (without quotes) to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg to De>>> avoid posts from this poisonous cancer.

    whats ironic is i've had deuce in my twitlist about 5 years.

    Is the "ironic" part the fact that despite this, you're still seeing his messages?

    It looks like Mro was seeing someone else's message that had quoted part of
    one of Deuce's messages.

    Nightfox

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Nightfox on Monday, July 27, 2015 16:12:22
    Re: Bug found in @-codes.
    By: Nightfox to echicken on Mon Jul 27 2015 09:24:18

    It looks like Mro was seeing someone else's message that had quoted part of one of Deuce's messages.

    Kind of what I was getting at. Filter or no, you'll still see messages you might rather not.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to echicken on Monday, July 27, 2015 14:02:50
    It looks like Mro was seeing someone else's message that had quoted part of one of Deuce's messages.

    Kind of what I was getting at. Filter or no, you'll still see messages you might rather not.

    I see - Yes, that's quite true.

    Nightfox

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