how do you do batch uploads in syncterm? i haven't figured out how to tag multiple files for the upload... singles work fine but batch would be really great...
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El 04/01/15 a las 08:21, "waldo kitty" escibió:

how do you do batch uploads in syncterm? i haven't figured out how to tag multiple files for the upload... singles work fine but batch would be really great...

syncterm will great if support this feature

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El 04/01/15 a las 08:21, "waldo kitty" escibió:

how do you do batch uploads in syncterm? i haven't figured out how to

tag

multiple files for the upload... singles work fine but batch would be really great...

syncterm will great if support this feature

Even if so, Synchronet prompts the user for a filename when uploading a file - I'd think Synchronet would also need to be updated to support batch uploads.

I know automated batch downloading is & was always supported by protocols such as Zmodem, but now that I think about it, I don't remember if batch uploading was a standard back in the day.

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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: Nightfox to Ragnarok on Mon Jan 05 2015 12:34 pm

El 04/01/15 a las 08:21, "waldo kitty" escibió:

how do you do batch uploads in syncterm? i haven't figured out how to

tag

multiple files for the upload... singles work fine but batch would be really great...

syncterm will great if support this feature

Even if so, Synchronet prompts the user for a filename when uploading a
file - I'd think Synchronet would also need to be updated to support batch uploads.

Synchronet supports "blind" batch uploads too.

I know automated batch downloading is & was always supported by protocols such as Zmodem, but now that I think about it, I don't remember if batch uploading was a standard back in the day.

It was. Even Ymodem supported batch transfers (downloads and uploads).

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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: Nightfox to Ragnarok on Mon Jan 05 2015 12:34:51

El 04/01/15 a las 08:21, "waldo kitty" escibió:

how do you do batch uploads in syncterm? i haven't figured out how

syncterm will great if support this feature

Even if so, Synchronet prompts the user for a filename when uploading a file - I'd think Synchronet would also need to be updated to support batch uploads.

Ummm... Synchronet isn't the only BBS that Syncterm operates with, is it?

I know automated batch downloading is & was always supported by protocols such as Zmodem, but now that I think about it, I don't remember if batch uploading was a standard back in the day.

Actually, it was available on a great many systems. Especially those that processed the uploaded files afterward. Files that passed were then awarded file points or similar while duplicates or infected files were set aside and the uploader was not rewarded for them.


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I know automated batch downloading is & was always supported by
protocols such as Zmodem, but now that I think about it, I don't
remember if batch uploading was a standard back in the day.

It is/was. For example, in Mystic you just select upload and you can send any number of files using Zmodem, Ymodem, etc and it will detect what you've sent and then process it/import/ask for descriptions, etc as needed.

Somehow the feature was "lost" between DOS terminals and SyncTerm + mTelnet. NetRunner has an upload queue so you can queue up a bunch of files and off it goes, but I am not sure if any of the other more popular BBS telnet clients
do it.

Would be great to see it in SyncTerm!

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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: Nightfox to Ragnarok on Mon Jan 05 2015 12:34 pm

I know automated batch downloading is & was always supported by protocols such as Zmodem, but now that I think about it, I don't remember if batch uploading was a standard back in the day.

you can do multiple uploads in the file_batch_section
i'm pretty sure i did it with terminate and dosbox a while back.

i dont think multiple batch uploads is a feature that is every used in today's age.
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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: Max Haven to Nightfox on Mon Jan 05 2015 21:03:04

Even if so, Synchronet prompts the user for a filename when
uploading a file - I'd think Synchronet would also need to be
updated to support batch uploads.

Ummm... Synchronet isn't the only BBS that Syncterm operates with, is it?

Ummm, no, it's not... That wasn't really my point. I'm a sysop who happens to run Synchronet, which is why I mentioned it.

I know automated batch downloading is & was always supported by
protocols such as Zmodem, but now that I think about it, I don't
remember if batch uploading was a standard back in the day.

Actually, it was available on a great many systems. Especially those that processed the uploaded files afterward. Files that passed were then awarded file points or similar while duplicates or infected files were set aside and the uploader was not rewarded for them.

Yeah, it has been a while so I didn't remember for sure.

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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: waldo kitty to All on Sun Jan 04 2015 06:21 am

how do you do batch uploads in syncterm? i haven't figured out how to tag multiple files for the upload... singles work fine but batch would be
really great...

SyncTERM doesn't support this feature mainly because I couldn't figure out how the multi-file-select interface should look. All the other necessary bits are already there, and multi-select is partly implemented, but the effort died because I my "fucks given" was lower than my "effort required".

If someone wants to help work out a good multiselect interface, I'll be happy to revisit the feature.


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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: Deuce to waldo kitty on Wed Jan 07 2015 19:45:38

If someone wants to help work out a good multiselect interface, I'll be happy to revisit the feature.

I give -9001 fucks about this myself, but I picture a split screen: file browser on the left, files selected for upload on the right, ability to tab between the two to remove files from the list. Or, the root window being the list of files to upload, with a command to open a browser to select a file to add to the list.

Just think of all the fucktastic batch uploading that would happen if you added this feature. It needs to be done, for the good of the human race.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2015, Deuce wrote to waldo kitty:

how do you do batch uploads in syncterm? i haven't figured out how
to tag multiple files for the upload... singles work fine but batch
would be really great...

SyncTERM doesn't support this feature mainly because I couldn't
figure out how the multi-file-select interface should look. All
the other necessary bits are already there, and multi-select is
partly implemented, but the effort died because I my "fucks given"
was lower than my "effort required".

hahaha... i can fully understand that! :)

If someone wants to help work out a good multiselect interface,
I'll be happy to revisit the feature.

we could mimic midnight commander's use of the INS and keypad +/- keys... hitting INSert on a hilited file would tag it... the display could alter the colors of the filename to indicate it being selected... INS is a toggle... hitting it again would untag the file... the keypad + is a mass selector... if you hit the keypad + a filemask box comes up so you can put in a mask of files to tag (eg: f*.bar would tag foo.bar, far.bar, frozen.bar)... the keypad - is a
mass untagger... hitting it untags all tagged files so you can easily start clean if you need to...

aside from that, the current interface seems to work well... i'd kinda like to see it start in the files pane, though... or flip the two panes so the files are on the left... that'll give us an easier and faster start to finding the file(s) we're trying to upload... then if we need to change directories we can tab to the other pane and go there...

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El 08/01/15 a las 00:45, Deuce escibió:

Re: syncterm batch uploads By: waldo kitty to All on Sun Jan 04
2015 06:21 am

how do you do batch uploads in syncterm? i haven't figured out
how to tag multiple files for the upload... singles work fine but
batch would be really great...

SyncTERM doesn't support this feature mainly because I couldn't
figure out how the multi-file-select interface should look. All
the other necessary bits are already there, and multi-select is
partly implemented, but the effort died because I my "fucks given"
was lower than my "effort required".

If someone wants to help work out a good multiselect interface,
I'll be happy to revisit the feature.

I think that the multiselect workflow must see as queue.

The user open the upload queue and press a key to add files.

The user must browse the filesystem and press some key to add the
selected file (or complete directory) to a upload queue
Optional, the user can review the upload queue as list with some
details, filename, path, size and can remove some files if necesary.
Then, press other key to select protocol and upload to remote system.


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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: echicken to Deuce on Thu Jan 08 2015 12:37 am

If someone wants to help work out a good multiselect interface, I'll
be happy to revisit the feature.

I give -9001 fucks about this myself, but I picture a split screen: file browser on the left, files selected for upload on the right, ability to tab between the two to remove files from the list. Or, the root window being the list of files to upload, with a command to open a browser to select a file to add to the list.

The current file browser has a directory pane on the left... so turn it into three columns?

+----------------+---------------+----------+
| Directory List | All File List | Selected | +----------------+---------------+----------+
| ... | ... | ... |

Type of thing?

I suppose that could be done...

As for the root/pop-up model, it seems it would be weird and non-intuitive... and would require a separate "Batch Upload" option to the "Upload" option.

Just think of all the fucktastic batch uploading that would happen if you added this feature. It needs to be done, for the good of the human race.

Yeah, everyone wants to upload everything they have. I've been holding the hobby back all these years!


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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: mark lewis to Deuce on Thu Jan 08 2015 05:56 am

we could mimic midnight commander's use of the INS and keypad +/- keys... hitting INSert on a hilited file would tag it... the display could alter
the colors of the filename to indicate it being selected... INS is a toggle... hitting it again would untag the file... the keypad + is a mass selector... if you hit the keypad + a filemask box comes up so you can put in a mask of files to tag (eg: f*.bar would tag foo.bar, far.bar, frozen.bar)... the keypad - is a mass untagger... hitting it untags all tagged files so you can easily start clean if you need to...

Not all interfaces are able to tell the difference between keypad plus and the shifted = plus, so special interfaces can't really be done. I think the space-to-toggle could work, and maybe a pop-up to edit the list of selected files.

aside from that, the current interface seems to work well... i'd kinda like to see it start in the files pane, though... or flip the two panes so the files are on the left... that'll give us an easier and faster start to

Sounds good. I'll take a look into this.


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Re: Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: Ragnarok to Deuce on Thu Jan 08 2015 10:47 am

I think that the multiselect workflow must see as queue.

The user open the upload queue and press a key to add files.

The user must browse the filesystem and press some key to add the
selected file (or complete directory) to a upload queue

Yeah, I don't want a completely different interface for batch upload vs regular
upload.

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If someone wants to help work out a good multiselect interface, I'll be happy
to revisit the feature.

When I do massive upload I use ftp nowadays. Must be less old school then I thought. But yes some work for a big demand?

There where nice interfaces in the turbo pascal days. But eish. Work

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Re: syncterm batch uploads
By: Deuce to echicken on Thu Jan 08 2015 20:01:39

The current file browser has a directory pane on the left... so turn it into three columns?

+----------------+---------------+----------+
| Directory List | All File List | Selected | +----------------+---------------+----------+

Could get a bit cramped within 80 columns, but depending on how it's all formatted it might work.

Yeah, everyone wants to upload everything they have. I've been holding the hobby back all these years!

Well, you're not entirely to blame. The IRCD must shoulder some of the responsibility.

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On 01/09/15, Deuce said the following...

I think that the multiselect workflow must see as queue.

The user open the upload queue and press a key to add files.

The user must browse the filesystem and press some key to add the selected file (or complete directory) to a upload queue

Yeah, I don't want a completely different interface for batch upload vs regular upload.

exactly... we won't even mention that the timer is already running on the
BBS' end since it has already started the receiving process and is waiting
for the file(s) to start arriving... there's no more than 30 to 60 seconds to get things selected and started sending...

it might be something to have a queue that can be preloaded in the terminal
so this is already set up and waiting for the upload when the user would get into the upload panes and then go on with their selected queued files but that's more than what has been traditionally done and more than was
originally being asked for ;)

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