I am able to use my ISP (comcast, blocks port 25) to relay outgoing
mail. (Test emails sent from my Comcast email to BBS email)

I am attempting to use no-ip's mail reflector service to receive email
on port 3325.

However, if I leave the ISP as the relay server, I get:

Reporting-MTA: dns; resomta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.99] Received-From-MTA: dns; eldritchdarktech.net [76.116.82.59]
Arrival-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:52:35 +0000

Final-recipient: rfc822; mindless.automaton@eldritchclockwork.net
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 552 5.7.0 Number of 'Received:' DATA headers
exceeds maximum permitted
Last-attempt-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:52:35 +0000

(and the email attached to that message has a crapton of headers as it pinballed between servers repeatedly?)

If I comment out the relay server in sbbs.ini, I get:

Oct 9 10:18:05 eldritch SBBS: mail 0039 !SEND Delivery attempt #1
FAILED (Failed to resolve SMTP hostname: ) for message #1003 from David Collins to mindless.automaton@eldritchclockwork.net

So I try adding NOHOSTLOOKUP, but I guess that doesnt do what I think it
does, so it didnt fix that. :(

Anyways, the only way I can think to resolve this is to use no-ip for
relay server also? (which means paying for another service)

Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Mindless Automaton
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Anyways, the only way I can think to resolve this is to use no-ip for relay server also? (which means paying for another service)

Any other suggestions?

I'm not sure your Outbound Settings should be seriously affecting your Inbound Settings in that way. However, if you want to try a different outbound relay, you may want to check out this article about using Vertrauen to relay:

http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp

If I knew more about that reflector service provided by no-ip.com I might be able to help more, but I am thinking something is happening there that shouldn't be if it is bouncing around a lot.

~KenDB3

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Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Mindless Automaton to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Thu Oct 09 2014 10:47 am

I am able to use my ISP (comcast, blocks port 25) to relay outgoing
mail. (Test emails sent from my Comcast email to BBS email)

I am attempting to use no-ip's mail reflector service to receive email
on port 3325.

However, if I leave the ISP as the relay server, I get:

Reporting-MTA: dns; resomta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.99] Received-From-MTA: dns; eldritchdarktech.net [76.116.82.59]
Arrival-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:52:35 +0000

Final-recipient: rfc822; mindless.automaton@eldritchclockwork.net
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 552 5.7.0 Number of 'Received:' DATA headers
exceeds maximum permitted
Last-attempt-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:52:35 +0000

(and the email attached to that message has a crapton of headers as it pinballed between servers repeatedly?)

If I comment out the relay server in sbbs.ini, I get:

Oct 9 10:18:05 eldritch SBBS: mail 0039 !SEND Delivery attempt #1
FAILED (Failed to resolve SMTP hostname: ) for message #1003 from David Collins to mindless.automaton@eldritchclockwork.net

Commenting out the "relay server in sbbs.ini" is not the proper way to disable relaying out of outbound mail. Instead, you still you have relay enabled (RELAY_TX set in your [mail] options) and no relay server hostname setup, so naturally it will fail to resolve teh relay server hostname.

If you want to disable relay (use direct delivery), remove the "RELAY_TX" from the Options line in the [mail] section of your ctrl/sbbs.ini file.

Anyways, the only way I can think to resolve this is to use no-ip for
relay server also? (which means paying for another service)

Any other suggestions?

You can relay your outbound mail through Vertrauen if you wish: http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp

digital man

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On 10/10/2014 1:56 AM, "Digital Man" wrote:

Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Mindless Automaton to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Thu Oct 09 2014 10:47 am

> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 552 5.7.0 Number of 'Received:' DATA headers
> exceeds maximum permitted
> Last-attempt-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:52:35 +0000
>
> (and the email attached to that message has a crapton of headers as it
> pinballed between servers repeatedly?)

Do you know what causes it to "bounce around" like that? Thats the part
I dont understand. (I have a support ticket with no-ip for this also)

Here's the log from a session:
http://eldritchclockwork.net/smtp.txt

>
> If I comment out the relay server in sbbs.ini, I get:
Commenting out the "relay server in sbbs.ini" is not the proper way to disable

Thats ok, I was just testing what happened, it wouldnt matter since I
cant direct send anyways. I will keep that in mind though.

> Any other suggestions?

You can relay your outbound mail through Vertrauen if you wish: http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp

Thanks, my outbound has been working ok relaying through Comcast, its
the inbound I dont have. :(

Thanks
-Mindless Automaton
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On 10/10/2014 10:56 AM, "Mindless Automaton" wrote:

On 10/10/2014 1:56 AM, "Digital Man" wrote:

Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Mindless Automaton to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Thu Oct
09 2014 10:47 am

> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 552 5.7.0 Number of 'Received:' DATA headers
> exceeds maximum permitted
> Last-attempt-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:52:35 +0000
>
> (and the email attached to that message has a crapton of headers
as it
> pinballed between servers repeatedly?)

You can relay your outbound mail through Vertrauen if you wish:
http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp

I tried using Vertrauen as relay, sorry about spamming your SMTP. :o

Same kind of bouncing email though. I'll let you know what I hear from
no-ip about that.

-Mindless Automaton
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Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Mindless Automaton to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Thu Oct 09 2014 10:47 am

I am able to use my ISP (comcast, blocks port 25) to relay outgoing
mail. (Test emails sent from my Comcast email to BBS email)

Anyways, the only way I can think to resolve this is to use no-ip for relay server also? (which means paying for another service)

Actually, You would be better off moving your BBS to a VPS, like DigitalOcean for $5~$10/mo or so, or upgrade to Comcast Business (or static IP if they offer it).

Comcast often times both only blocks incoming SMTP, but also re-route outbound attempts as well to port 25 to go via their servers. One of many reasons I will never even look to Comcast for internte services.

Either way, ultimately the cheaper solution would be a VPS from DigitalOcean. If you want a referral link for that, which basically helps me by referring others, Take a look at http://linux-help.org/donate Which has a link to DigitalOcean there. ;)

Comcast Business would not block services such as port 25, but will cost you an additional amount of money you may not be willing to pay. I actually switched from BrightHouse Business to BrightHouse Residential because of the cost/speed difference, and contract issues. BrightHouse Business was supposed to get me IPv6 support, and they never delivered. heh

All the dodgy hacky ways to try to get around SMTP blocks like that will mostly just land you in a slump of unreliability, slow, and highly likely to failures out of your control. Not really something you want, IMHO.

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All the dodgy hacky ways to try to get around SMTP blocks like that will mostly just land you in a slump of unreliability, slow, and highly likely
to failures out of your control. Not really something you want, IMHO.

I've been using an email relay service for port 25 to do port forwarding for incoming email to my BBS for months now, and I haven't had a problem with it (yet). I don't think I'd call it a dodgy/hacky way to do it, since it seems
to be a fairly common and supported mechanism - Once I was signed up for the meil relay service, I simply had to put in the relay server information into
my domain hosting configuration, and then it was working. I suppose it is one more server/service you have to rely on, but it doesn't seem that bad.

Nightfox

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On 10/10/2014 11:28 AM, "Mindless Automaton" wrote:

On 10/10/2014 10:56 AM, "Mindless Automaton" wrote:

On 10/10/2014 1:56 AM, "Digital Man" wrote:

Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Mindless Automaton to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Thu Oct
09 2014 10:47 am

> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 552 5.7.0 Number of 'Received:' DATA headers >>> > exceeds maximum permitted
> Last-attempt-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:52:35 +0000
>
> (and the email attached to that message has a crapton of headers
as it
> pinballed between servers repeatedly?)

You can relay your outbound mail through Vertrauen if you wish:
http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp

I found it, some dummy didnt change the host name correctly, so you have:

220 eldritchdarktech.net Synchronet SMTP Server 1.569-Linux Ready

and you are trying to send email:

rcpt to: mindless.automaton@eldritchclockwork.net

So my server would get the email and then throw it back out for delivery
and it would keep going around the circle.

duh.

Thanks for all your help and sorry for wasting your time. (previous
domain was eldritch.darktech.org) :P

-Mindless Automaton
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Re: Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Mindless Automaton to Digital Man on Fri Oct 10 2014 10:56 am

On 10/10/2014 1:56 AM, "Digital Man" wrote:

Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Mindless Automaton to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Thu Oct 09 2014 10:47 am

> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 552 5.7.0 Number of 'Received:' DATA headers
> exceeds maximum permitted
> Last-attempt-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:52:35 +0000
>
> (and the email attached to that message has a crapton of headers as
it
> pinballed between servers repeatedly?)

Do you know what causes it to "bounce around" like that? Thats the part
I dont understand. (I have a support ticket with no-ip for this also)

Here's the log from a session:
http://eldritchclockwork.net/smtp.txt

What are these domain names:
eldritchclockwork.net
eldritchdarktech.net

# host eldritchdarktech.net
Host eldritchdarktech.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Oct 10 10:36:23 eldritch SBBS: mail 0035 SMTP RX: RCPT TO:<mindless.automaton@eldritchclockwork.net>
Oct 10 10:36:23 eldritch SBBS: mail 0035 SMTP Unknown User relaying to external mail service: eldritchclockwork.net

This implies that your BBS's mail server doesn't think that it should be handling mail for eldritchclockwork.net. Does that sound
correct to you?

> If I comment out the relay server in sbbs.ini, I get:
Commenting out the "relay server in sbbs.ini" is not the proper way to disable

Thats ok, I was just testing what happened, it wouldnt matter since I
cant direct send anyways. I will keep that in mind though.

> Any other suggestions?

You can relay your outbound mail through Vertrauen if you wish: http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp

Thanks, my outbound has been working ok relaying through Comcast, its
the inbound I dont have. :(

Well your log appears to be testing outbound (to davidc@ttienv.com), which may be bouncing (back to
mindless.automaton@eldritchclockwork.net) but then your mail server thinks it needs to relay that message because your
configuration says that eldritchclockwork.net is an external address.

I think you might have a configuration issue there.

digital man

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I found it, some dummy didnt change the host name correctly, so you have:

220 eldritchdarktech.net Synchronet SMTP Server 1.569-Linux Ready

and you are trying to send email:

rcpt to: mindless.automaton@eldritchclockwork.net

So my server would get the email and then throw it back out for delivery
and it would keep going around the circle.

duh.

Thanks for all your help and sorry for wasting your time. (previous domain was eldritch.darktech.org) :P

-Mindless Automaton
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Ahhhh! That makes sense. Well, at the very least I got to learn about no-ip.com's Reflector service, which I never knew about before. Glad you got
it resolved!

~KenDB3

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Re: Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Mindless Automaton to Mindless Automaton on Fri Oct 10 2014 11:28 am

Same kind of bouncing email though. I'll let you know what I hear from no-ip about that.

no-ip has been blacklisted someplaces, so look into that.
maybe try dnsexit.com's mail redirection
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Re: The Circle of (Email) Life
By: Psi-Jack to Mindless Automaton on Fri Oct 10 2014 02:40 pm

Either way, ultimately the cheaper solution would be a VPS from DigitalOcean. If you want a referral link for that, which basically helps

there's other vps services too :D

it's cheaper to just get mail redirection than rent a vps.
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