Okay, so I've been making test users, trying to disect apart the new user process, trying to determine what happends when so I can customize my new-user process completely.

My question is, I go into UEDIT, delete my test user, and they just get flagged deleted... Is there anything I can do to completely remove those users, like packing the user database or something?

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to All on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:30 am

Okay, so I've been making test users, trying to disect apart the new user process, trying to determine what happends when so I can customize my new-user process completely.

My question is, I go into UEDIT, delete my test user, and they just get flagged deleted... Is there anything I can do to completely remove those users, like packing the user database or something?

SBBSCTRL has a "truncate deleted users" option which will remove deleted users slots from the *end* of the user database (only). Users in the middle of the user database cannot be *removed* as that would
renumber the user slots after it.

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to All on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:30 am

Okay, so I've been making test users, trying to disect apart the new user process, trying to determine what happends when so I can customize my new-user process completely.

My question is, I go into UEDIT, delete my test user, and they just get flagged deleted... Is there anything I can do to completely remove those users, like packing the user database or something?

the way it works is they are eventually replaced by another new user.

i made a user packer that i run once a year. what it does is export users with a certain criteria that are to be kept, and then the user file is deleted and then i import the users.

This isnt for everyone, though. and there are factors
like msg pointers and other datafiles that have to be removed.

just let the user be flagged for deletion. it's not hurting anybody.
your bbs is new and probably doesnt have that many users, anyways.
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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Digital Man to Psi-Jack on Wed Sep 24 2014 02:01 pm

Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to All on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:30 am

My question is, I go into UEDIT, delete my test user, and they just
get flagged deleted... Is there anything I can do to completely remove
those users, like packing the user database or something?

SBBSCTRL has a "truncate deleted users" option which will remove deleted users slots from the *end* of the user database (only). Users in the middle of the user database cannot be *removed* as that would renumber
the user slots after it.

Where is this, because SBBSCTRL alone doesn't say much. I grepped those words in the ctrl directory to find nothing.

Can you be more specific?

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to All on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:30:38

Okay, so I've been making test users, trying to disect apart the new user process, trying to determine what happends when so I can customize my new-user process completely.

My question is, I go into UEDIT, delete my test user, and they just get flagged deleted... Is there anything I can do to completely remove those users, like packing the user database or something?

Most often, you don't need to manually do that. User slots marked as deleted will be re-used for new users automatically. Also, as far as I know, there is no option for packing the user database, since that would renumber the user accounts, which you might not want (in case you're doing user number matching anywhwere for access restrictions).

Nightfox

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Wed Sep 24 2014 07:28 pm

Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to All on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:30 am

just let the user be flagged for deletion. it's not hurting anybody.
your bbs is new and probably doesnt have that many users, anyways.

Eh, the main thing is, it's a test user I create, many times, delete, just to test the new-user creation process, as I'm wanting a LOT of customization that doesn't look anything like stock. I've always gone above and beyond the norm to make sure my BBS setup was completely custom and unique on its own.

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Wed Sep 24 2014 22:30:03

SBBSCTRL has a "truncate deleted users" option which will remove
deleted users slots from the *end* of the user database (only).
Users in the middle of the user database cannot be *removed* as that
would renumber the user slots after it.

Where is this, because SBBSCTRL alone doesn't say much. I grepped those words in the ctrl directory to find nothing.

Can you be more specific?

It's under the User menu on the SBBSCTRL GUI (User > Truncate Deleted Users).

Nightfox

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Mro on Wed Sep 24 2014 22:32:21

Eh, the main thing is, it's a test user I create, many times, delete, just to test the new-user creation process, as I'm wanting a LOT of customization that doesn't look anything like stock. I've always gone above and beyond the norm to make sure my BBS setup was completely custom and unique on its own.

I've tried doing the same thing recently, for the same reason. I got stuck at the point where it should have saved the new user information - For some reason, it would disconnect immediately after I created the new user account. If you have encountered that and found a way around it, I'd be curious to know. :)

Digital Man has said there's a lot that is done behind the scenes by Synchronet when creating a new user account though, which can't be done in a JavaScript mod.. I've thought twice about whether I really want to use my own custom new user script.

Nightfox

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Wed Sep 24 2014 10:30 pm

SBBSCTRL has a "truncate deleted users" option which will remove deleted users slots from the *end* of the user database (only). Users in the middle of the user database cannot be *removed* as that would renumber the user slots after it.

Where is this, because SBBSCTRL alone doesn't say much. I grepped those words in the ctrl directory to find nothing.

Can you be more specific?

you didnt say if you were using the windows or linux version, he assumed windows.

you need to read up on the documentation a bit, though.
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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Mro on Wed Sep 24 2014 10:32 pm

just let the user be flagged for deletion. it's not hurting anybody. your bbs is new and probably doesnt have that many users, anyways.

Eh, the main thing is, it's a test user I create, many times, delete, just to test the new-user creation process, as I'm wanting a LOT of
customization that doesn't look anything like stock. I've always gone above and beyond the norm to make sure my BBS setup was completely custom and unique on its own.

well, i didnt like it in the past either, mostly because i was used to other bbs softwares. you wont have an issue with deleting your test guy and adding a new one; you wont have an over abundant amount of user slots.

if you truly want to pack your user base the way i do you need to have an understanding of what certain data files do, and what files are created and used by the users. you can check out the documentation [i suggest the web one, not the wiki] for this.
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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Wed Sep 24 2014 10:30 pm

Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Digital Man to Psi-Jack on Wed Sep 24 2014 02:01 pm

Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to All on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:30 am

My question is, I go into UEDIT, delete my test user, and they just
get flagged deleted... Is there anything I can do to completely remove
those users, like packing the user database or something?

SBBSCTRL has a "truncate deleted users" option which will remove deleted users slots from the *end* of the user database (only). Users in the middle of the user database cannot be *removed* as that would renumber the user slots after it.

Where is this, because SBBSCTRL alone doesn't say much. I grepped those words in the ctrl directory to find nothing.

Can you be more specific?

SBBSCTRL was my way of referring to the Synchronet Control Panel (for Windows).
This option is under the "User" menu, titled "Truncate Deleted Users".

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Wed Sep 24 2014 07:28 pm

Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to All on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:30:38

My question is, I go into UEDIT, delete my test user, and they just
get flagged deleted... Is there anything I can do to completely
remove those users, like packing the user database or something?

Most often, you don't need to manually do that. User slots marked as deleted will be re-used for new users automatically. Also, as far as I know, there is no option for packing the user database, since that would renumber the user accounts, which you might not want (in case you're doing user number matching anywhwere for access restrictions).

Well, honestly at this point, I don't have that issue. I only have me, the sysop, and a small selection of users currently. Everytime I login with my test user, it creates a brand new account. And having to do this several times to test the whole new-user process shows that there's many accounts in between that end up being deleted of course.

If all I can do is at least delete my test users, that would satisfy me well enough.

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Wed Sep 24 2014 08:49 pm

Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Wed Sep 24 2014 22:30:03

SBBSCTRL has a "truncate deleted users" option which will remove
deleted users slots from the *end* of the user database (only).
Users in the middle of the user database cannot be *removed* as
that would renumber the user slots after it.

Where is this, because SBBSCTRL alone doesn't say much. I grepped
those words in the ctrl directory to find nothing.

Can you be more specific?

It's under the User menu on the SBBSCTRL GUI (User > Truncate Deleted Users).

Well, this is a virtual machine running Synchronet, there is no GUI. I have scfg, and uedit, and everything that doesn't depend on SDL or X.

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Wed Sep 24 2014 08:51 pm

Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Mro on Wed Sep 24 2014 22:32:21

I've tried doing the same thing recently, for the same reason. I got stuck at the point where it should have saved the new user information - For some reason, it would disconnect immediately after I created the new user account. If you have encountered that and found a way around it, I'd be curious to know. :)

Hmmm, well, mostly all I'm doing is mangling the text.dat prompts, at least gathering up all the prompts in the process, determining what needs to be manipulated, changed, etc. Making the ANS/ASC files for the process, and customizing.

Digital Man has said there's a lot that is done behind the scenes by Synchronet when creating a new user account though, which can't be done in a JavaScript mod.. I've thought twice about whether I really want to use my own custom new user script.

Hmm yeah.. I'm not doing JavaScript (though the thought had occurred). mostly just prompts, and replacements for them, to make a more vivid and vibrant customization than what's currently there.

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Digital Man to Psi-Jack on Wed Sep 24 2014 11:54 pm

Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Wed Sep 24 2014 10:30 pm

SBBSCTRL was my way of referring to the Synchronet Control Panel (for Windows). This option is under the "User" menu, titled "Truncate Deleted Users".

Ahh.. I'm running Synchronet 3.16a on Linux from CVS.

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Thu Sep 25 2014 08:04:49

If all I can do is at least delete my test users, that would satisfy me well enough.

For all practical purposes, marking an account as deleted _is_ deleting the account.

Nightfox

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Thu Sep 25 2014 08:07:44

It's under the User menu on the SBBSCTRL GUI (User > Truncate
Deleted Users).

Well, this is a virtual machine running Synchronet, there is no GUI. I have scfg, and uedit, and everything that doesn't depend on SDL or X.

Ah, I don't think you specified what OS you were using. I think Digital Man and myself assumed you were using Windows with the GUI. I haven't used Synchronet on *nix much, so unfortunately I can't help.

Nightfox

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Thu Sep 25 2014 08:10:53

Digital Man has said there's a lot that is done behind the scenes by
Synchronet when creating a new user account though, which can't be
done in a JavaScript mod.. I've thought twice about whether I
really want to use my own custom new user script.

Hmm yeah.. I'm not doing JavaScript (though the thought had occurred). mostly just prompts, and replacements for them, to make a more vivid and vibrant customization than what's currently there.

Ah, I see. That would be one way to do it. I've thought about trying that myself, after my attmpt at doing it with JavaScript has shown its issues.

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Subject: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
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Hello Nightfox,

On 24 Sep 14 20:49, Nightfox wrote to Psi-Jack:

Can you be more specific?

It's under the User menu on the SBBSCTRL GUI (User > Truncate Deleted Users).

He doesn't have sbbsctrl. He's a Linux user. Is there a way to do it on Linux?

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Thu Sep 25 2014 04:58 pm

Subject: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
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Hello Nightfox,

On 24 Sep 14 20:49, Nightfox wrote to Psi-Jack:

Can you be more specific?

It's under the User menu on the SBBSCTRL GUI (User > Truncate Deleted Users).

He doesn't have sbbsctrl. He's a Linux user. Is there a way to do it on Linux?

GtkMonitor has the same feature (menu option), but requires X.

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Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Digital Man to Access Denied on Fri Sep 26 2014 04:17 pm

Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Thu Sep 25 2014 04:58 pm

Can you be more specific?

It's under the User menu on the SBBSCTRL GUI (User > Truncate
Deleted Users).

He doesn't have sbbsctrl. He's a Linux user. Is there a way to do it
on Linux?

GtkMonitor has the same feature (menu option), but requires X.

No X either. The specifics of the system running Synchronet is headless, a virtual machine, no X, just console, running under Arch Linux (mainly for the better DOSEMU provided version, and minimalism). So, no Windows, no X.. What's my options here? ;)

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Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Sat Sep 27 2014 12:08 am

virtual machine, no X, just console, running under Arch Linux (mainly for the better DOSEMU provided version, and minimalism). So, no Windows, no X.. What's my options here? ;)

you just wait for the user to get overwritten. that feature in sbbsctrl
isnt really worth using anyways.

or you can do what i said i do, but your bbs is new and that would be a waste of effort.
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Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Mro to Psi-Jack on Sat Sep 27 2014 07:56 am

Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Sat Sep 27 2014 12:08 am

virtual machine, no X, just console, running under Arch Linux (mainly
for the better DOSEMU provided version, and minimalism). So, no
Windows, no X.. What's my options here? ;)

you just wait for the user to get overwritten. that feature in sbbsctrl isnt really worth using anyways.

or you can do what i said i do, but your bbs is new and that would be a waste of effort.

Well you never really said yet, what exactly you're doing. Only basic stuff which sounds rather destructive.

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2014, Nightfox wrote to Psi-Jack:

It's under the User menu on the SBBSCTRL GUI (User > Truncate
Deleted Users).

Well, this is a virtual machine running Synchronet, there is no GUI. I have scfg, and uedit, and everything that doesn't depend on SDL or X.

Ah, I don't think you specified what OS you were using.

the (hidden) control lines and/or tear or origin line didn't give a hint? there
are some reasons why i do like FTN tech capabilities over QWK stuffs which leave a ""bit"" to be desired ;) O:)

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Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: mark lewis to Nightfox on Sat Sep 27 2014 03:21 am

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014, Nightfox wrote to Psi-Jack:

Ah, I don't think you specified what OS you were using.

the (hidden) control lines and/or tear or origin line didn't give a hint? there are some reasons why i do like FTN tech capabilities over QWK stuffs which leave a ""bit"" to be desired ;) O:)

Yeah.. QWKE, I believe, can do it, but, I don't know about how Synchronet itself handles that. If it does. I know when I turn on some things on the QWK options, those annoying little control lines show up as plain text in every echo message which is more annoying than hidden and viewable on demand. I have yet to figure out if on-demand viewing of kludge lines is possible in Synchronet.

But, yeah, I hate QWK networking where that's not /like/ hidden kludge lines.

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Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Mro on Sat Sep 27 2014 09:36 am

or you can do what i said i do, but your bbs is new and that would be
a waste of effort.

Well you never really said yet, what exactly you're doing. Only basic stuff which sounds rather destructive.

i'm having issue with vert, so maybe it got lost.

i export my users with a .js script based on a criteria i want.
then i delete my user file and import them again with makeuser

i also clear out the pointers. yeah it's destructive, but if you have a lot of users and want to reorder them and get rid of some old ones that are still flagged for deletion it works.

just letting the user get overwritten is probably more than good enough for you, though.
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Hello Digital,

On 26 Sep 14 16:17, Digital Man wrote to Access Denied:

GtkMonitor has the same feature (menu option), but requires X.

I could only imagine that would also require gtk or libraries of gtk as well? Not that it's a big deal here, as I don't use X or gtk.. but in case others would like to know..

Regards,
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Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Access Denied to Digital Man on Sun Sep 28 2014 04:40 pm

Hello Digital,

On 26 Sep 14 16:17, Digital Man wrote to Access Denied:

GtkMonitor has the same feature (menu option), but requires X.

I could only imagine that would also require gtk or libraries of gtk as well? Not that it's a big deal here, as I don't use X or gtk.. but in case others would like to know..

I'm still wondering if there's a method to pack the user database, on Linux, without X, without GTK+, with just console/curses.

This hasn't really been answered yet, so I'm poking to try to get one. :)

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Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Wed Oct 08 2014 07:49 am

Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Access Denied to Digital Man on Sun Sep 28 2014 04:40 pm

Hello Digital,

On 26 Sep 14 16:17, Digital Man wrote to Access Denied:

GtkMonitor has the same feature (menu option), but requires X.

I could only imagine that would also require gtk or libraries of gtk
as well? Not that it's a big deal here, as I don't use X or gtk.. but in case others would like to know..

I'm still wondering if there's a method to pack the user database, on
Linux, without X, without GTK+, with just console/curses.

This hasn't really been answered yet, so I'm poking to try to get one. :)

None that I'm aware of.

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Re: Re: Duplicate & Deleted users.
By: Psi-Jack to Digital Man on Wed Oct 08 2014 07:49 am

I'm still wondering if there's a method to pack the user database, on
Linux, without X, without GTK+, with just console/curses.

This hasn't really been answered yet, so I'm poking to try to get one. :)

he said no.
"truncate deleted users" is not avaliable to you.
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2014, Psi-Jack wrote to Digital Man:

I'm still wondering if there's a method to pack the user database,
on Linux, without X, without GTK+, with just console/curses.

i can't say but one system in these parts gets a frame buffer error when some programs are executed... especially things with jsexec... possibly because there's no frame buffer but we don't know if that error also means that the (eg) update tool didn't perform its job... it is an ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS system with limited resources...

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