• Attacks

    From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to All on Saturday, February 15, 2014 04:43:15
    May be a stupid question, but is there a program that will add a ip address to the silent filter automaticly if say one address repeatly tries to log in unsuccessfully in a given amount of time. I'm tired of manualy having to add these hack attempts myself. It gets so bad at times, it ties up all 5 lines of the bbs. As always, thanks

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to DesotoFireflite on Saturday, February 15, 2014 16:26:41
    Re: Attacks
    By: DesotoFireflite to All on Sat Feb 15 2014 04:43 am

    May be a stupid question, but is there a program that will add a ip address to the silent filter automaticly if say one address repeatly tries to log
    in unsuccessfully in a given amount of time.

    Yes (well, the ip.can, not the silent filter): in the [Global] section of your ctrl/sbbs.ini file, set LoginAttemptFilterThreshold to a non-zero value.

    This value defaults to 0 for a good reason however. If you're going to use a non-zero value, I would set it to something high (like 20 or 30 attempts).

    See http://wiki.synchro.net/config:sbbs.ini for details.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Digital Man on Sunday, February 16, 2014 00:46:00
    Digital Man wrote to DesotoFireflite <=-


    May be a stupid question, but is there a program that will add a ip address to the silent filter automaticly if say one address repeatly tries to log
    in unsuccessfully in a given amount of time.

    Yes (well, the ip.can, not the silent filter): in the [Global] section
    of your ctrl/sbbs.ini file, set LoginAttemptFilterThreshold to a
    non-zero value.

    This value defaults to 0 for a good reason however. If you're going to
    use a non-zero value, I would set it to something high (like 20 or 30 attempts).

    See http://wiki.synchro.net/config:sbbs.ini for details.

    Thank you!!


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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Digital Man on Sunday, February 16, 2014 04:14:51
    Re: Attacks
    By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Sat Feb 15 2014 04:26 pm

    Yes (well, the ip.can, not the silent filter): in the [Global] section
    of your ctrl/sbbs.ini file, set LoginAttemptFilterThreshold to a
    non-zero value.

    Thanks, that's what I wanted. As always, you have the answer:)

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to DesotoFireflite on Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:26:18
    Re: Attacks
    By: DesotoFireflite to All on Sat Feb 15 2014 04:43 am

    May be a stupid question, but is there a program that will add a ip address to the silent filter automaticly if say one address repeatly tries to log in unsuccessfully in a given amount of time. I'm tired of manualy having to add these hack attempts myself. It gets so bad at times, it ties up all 5 lines of the bbs. As always, thanks

    Out of curiousity, are these "hack attempts" actually trying to login to your board, or just randomly trying to connect to your various services to no avail?

    I guess I'm trying to say, are they actually doing any harm to your system or just continually trying to connect?

    Do they cause your normal users to not be able to login?

    I mean if your answer is no, why bother trying to block all of them, just ignore it as spam traffic.

    blocking an IP won't stop anyone that's actively trying to get into your system, it just stops some random script from completing whatever it's trying to do, which doesn't sound like much.

    Again, apologies if they are actually gaining access to your system. Maybe you're runing your board on some pentagon system that houses national secrets or something.

    Best of luck,
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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Android8675 on Monday, February 17, 2014 04:23:32
    Re: Attacks
    By: Android8675 to DesotoFireflite on Sun Feb 16 2014 10:26 am

    Out of curiousity, are these "hack attempts" actually trying to login to your board, or just randomly trying to connect to your various services to

    I get about 3 attempts aday trying to gain access. In the old days, I would call it war dialing. If I manually put the address into the can, it stops, till another random address comes along to start it all over again. over a weeks times, I can quite a few addresses.. None never make it in, but it's still a pain.

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  • From Chris Trainor@VERT/FLEETHQ to Android8675 on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 15:15:50
    Re: Attacks
    By: Android8675 to DesotoFireflite on Sun Feb 16 2014 10:26:18

    The hacks I see look like they're general hack scripts that are just
    running against open telnet servers. Looking for a way in, hoping it's
    a misconfigured router, server, switch, etc. If you look thru the
    username/pw combo lists they try they're not looking to get into the
    'BBS'.... just an auto script that found an open telnet port and trying
    a pile of common admin logins.

    That being said, it's annoying because it ties up ports/nodes and
    occassionaly appears to crash the BBS.

    Tho in my case, that could've been due to me running 18mo old code. :)
    Just updated today.. hopefully the crashing stops.


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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Chris Trainor on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 18:41:47
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Chris Trainor wrote to Android8675:

    The hacks I see look like they're general hack scripts that are
    just running against open telnet servers. Looking for a way in,
    hoping it's a misconfigured router, server, switch, etc.

    exactly... otherwise known as scriptkiddies... the question, then, is if the attack is coming from a zombie machine... in a most cases that i've researched,
    they are zombie machines in a botnet...

    If you look thru the username/pw combo lists they try they're not looking to get into the 'BBS'.... just an auto script that found
    an open telnet port and trying a pile of common admin logins.

    yup! this is one of the reasons why anyone running servers of any type should take the time to learn about the mess that is going on out there and what they can do to protect themselves... i see way too many blaming individuals and blocking IPs that are transient... a temp block at the perimeter to stop the attack for some period of time is the best response... drop the packets into the bitbucket and let the violating system have to wait on the timeout to take effect... this slows them down a bit and is better than sending a reject which tells them that there is something there and doesn't tie them up waiting on the
    timeout...

    That being said, it's annoying because it ties up ports/nodes and occassionaly appears to crash the BBS.

    true...

    Tho in my case, that could've been due to me running 18mo old code.
    :) Just updated today.. hopefully the crashing stops.

    :)

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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to mark lewis on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 22:16:00
    On 02-19-14, mark lewis said the following...

    If you look thru the username/pw combo lists they try they're not looking to get into the 'BBS'.... just an auto script that found
    an open telnet port and trying a pile of common admin logins.

    yup! this is one of the reasons why anyone running servers of any type should take the time to learn about the mess that is going on out there and what they can do to protect themselves... i see way too many blaming individuals and blocking IPs that are transient... a temp block at the perimeter to stop the attack for some period of time isthe best response... drop the packets into the bitbucket and let the violating system have to wait on the timeout to take effect... this slows them
    down a bit and is better than sending a reject which tells them that
    there is something there and doesn't tie them up waiting on the

    I run a script every 3 minutes that grabs all the aborted knocks at the door.
    I then count the number of hits from that IP for the day, and if they are more 5 in one day, I add them to the block file for that country. I have a block file for separate countries. My script differentiates between actuall bbs callers, and those who are just portscanning. If the port scanner's IP comes from some specific countries, I will just add them to the block file no
    matter how many times they attemp to connect. My BBS has been ping'd by
    these port scanners as many as 100 times a day, mostly from different IP's,
    and mostly from China.

    I then take the contents of the block file and add them to my IPTABLES.


    That being said, it's annoying because it ties up ports/nodes and occassionaly appears to crash the BBS.

    On mine, it just inflates the calls per day count.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to DesotoFireflite on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 21:06:16
    Re: Attacks
    By: DesotoFireflite to Android8675 on Mon Feb 17 2014 04:23 am

    Out of curiousity, are these "hack attempts" actually trying to
    login to your board, or just randomly trying to connect to your
    various services to

    I get about 3 attempts aday trying to gain access. In the old days, I would call it war dialing. If I manually put the address into the can, it stops, till another random address comes along to start it all over again. over a weeks times, I can quite a few addresses.. None never make it in, but it's still a pain.

    3? like 3 attempts to connect or 3 different times where thousands of connect attempts just bombard your system bringing it to a crushing halt and crushing any hopes of your users being able to connect, forcing you to literally rip your network connection out of the wall or face a full blown system crash?

    If it's 3... like just 3 random connects from some IP address, do an IP lookup, it's probably just someone running some random script that pokes around the net for systems and tries to figure out what they are.

    I mean come on my throw me a bone, are you watching someone running some crazy password hacking script, or is it just some bot trying to relay spam emails through your SMTP service?

    From what you've described it doesn't sound like much of a pain.


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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Chris Trainor on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 21:16:46
    Re: Attacks
    By: Chris Trainor to Android8675 on Wed Feb 19 2014 03:15 pm

    The hacks I see look like they're general hack scripts that are just running against open telnet servers. Looking for a way in, hoping it's
    a misconfigured router, server, switch, etc. If you look thru the username/pw combo lists they try they're not looking to get into the 'BBS'.... just an auto script that found an open telnet port and trying
    a pile of common admin logins.

    I get those all the time, they never completely occupy available nodes and they are on just long enough to be annoying. I only have SBBS running as a 6 node system, and I've never had someone not be able to connect because someone was trying to "hack" my board, though more likely it's some botnet probing my IP for security issues.

    That being said, it's annoying because it ties up ports/nodes and occassionaly appears to crash the BBS.

    Annoying, sure, and if it's crashing your BBS... well maybe you should compile the debug build of SBBS, take some crash dumps and post them to dovenet. Maybe someone can help resolve that issue.

    I used to get crashes until I fixed some minor issues and setup my board to restart if (heaven forbid) it were to shut down.

    Tho in my case, that could've been due to me running 18mo old code. :) Just updated today.. hopefully the crashing stops.

    *facepalm*

    I think half the fun it watching "people" try to connect. Your board is connected to a "fairly" large network, assuming you've chosen to make your board accessable to "THE INTERNET"... (<DrEvil>"Lasers"</DrEvil>) Shit's gonna happen, enjoy it, back up your files, and plug your security holes when they come up.


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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Android8675 on Thursday, February 20, 2014 08:17:42
    Re: Attacks
    By: Android8675 to DesotoFireflite on Wed Feb 19 2014 09:06 pm

    3? like 3 attempts to connect or 3 different times where thousands of connect attempts just bombard your system bringing it to a crushing halt

    I meant 3 times a day, I get pinged about 100 times each, sometimes more. It just ties the system up so real callers sometimes can't get in. That is about 300 hack attempts aday, which at times, they come so fast, it takes down all 5 nodes. The clear by themselves, but like I said, it's a pain. They never get in to the bbs, just tie it up.

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  • From First Officer@VERT/HOLODECK to DesotoFireflite on Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:17:30
    Re: Attacks
    By: DesotoFireflite to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2014 08:17 am

    3? like 3 attempts to connect or 3 different times where thousands of connect attempts just bombard your system bringing it to a crushing halt

    I meant 3 times a day, I get pinged about 100 times each, sometimes more.
    It just ties the system up so real callers sometimes can't get in. That is about 300 hack attempts aday, which at times, they come so fast, it takes down all 5 nodes. The clear by themselves, but like I said, it's a pain. They never get in to the bbs, just tie it up.

    Just a 2 cents worth. I once had my cable go down and was out a few days. When I came back up, my IP address changed to one that was so wonderfully listed as a proxy server. So many hits per minute, it just shut my system down. I finally
    had to change the ip address and that did the trick. That was a drastic attack.
    The current ones going on are not anywhere near as bad, but if it really starts
    killing your bbs, maybe You could think about changing the IP address. Depending on what kind You have of course.

    Have a good One!
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  • From Chris Trainor@VERT/FLEETHQ to Android8675 on Thursday, February 20, 2014 15:08:44
    Re: Attacks
    By: Android8675 to Chris Trainor on Wed Feb 19 2014 21:16:46

    I get those all the time, they never completely occupy available nodes and t are on just long enough to be annoying. I only have SBBS running as a 6 node system, and I've never had someone not be able to connect because someone wa trying to "hack" my board, though more likely it's some botnet probing my IP for security issues.

    Oh it's obvious it's not someone trying to hack my BBS. I've got 10 nodes conifgured and they never filled all the nodes, but the eventual crash did cause some annoyance.

    Annoying, sure, and if it's crashing your BBS... well maybe you should compi the debug build of SBBS, take some crash dumps and post them to dovenet. May someone can help resolve that issue.

    I figured since I had left this thing alone for so long I should update to the latest code before doing something like that and hassing Rob/etc over stuff that was fixed ages ago. :)


    I think half the fun it watching "people" try to connect. Your board is connected to a "fairly" large network, assuming you've chosen to make your board accessable to "THE INTERNET"... (<DrEvil>"Lasers"</DrEvil>) Shit's gon


    yeah that was kindof the whole point. :) No sense running a BBS that only I can get to via localhost. :) Tho I do provide a dialup... still makes me wonder why anyone uses it. (I get like 5 - 15 calls/week on it!).

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Android8675 on Thursday, February 20, 2014 14:46:06
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Android8675 wrote to DesotoFireflite:

    3? like 3 attempts to connect or 3 different times where thousands
    of connect attempts just bombard your system bringing it to a
    crushing halt and crushing any hopes of your users being able to
    connect, forcing you to literally rip your network connection out of
    the wall or face a full blown system crash?

    unless i'm mistaken, that's called a (D)DOS... DDOS if all of the hits are from
    a lot of different IPs at the same time... is your system being targetted specifically for some reason?

    If it's 3... like just 3 random connects from some IP address, do an
    IP lookup, it's probably just someone running some random script
    that pokes around the net for systems and tries to figure out what
    they are.

    I mean come on my throw me a bone, are you watching someone running
    some crazy password hacking script,

    that would be noticible... especially if it were using brute force or possibly a list from publicized breeches...

    or is it just some bot trying to relay spam emails through your
    SMTP service?

    that's slightly different than BBS logins, isn't it?

    From what you've described it doesn't sound like much of a pain.

    hehe... that's why my IDS rules take into account so many attempts with a certain period of time before they alert and the automatic response system deals with it ;) my trashcans and similar are virtually empty but my perimeter
    firewall, on the other hand, averages ~200-~300 IPs that are blocked and managed :)

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Android8675 on Thursday, February 20, 2014 14:51:59
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Android8675 wrote to Chris Trainor:

    I think half the fun it watching "people" try to connect.

    absolutely! you should see some of the stuff that my FrontDoor mailer records as "caller id" data because it arrives after the second "ring"... i get folks trying to login there before the bbs has even been brought online to handle the
    connection ;)

    Your board is connected to a "fairly" large network, assuming
    you've chosen to make your board accessable to "THE INTERNET"... (<DrEvil>"Lasers"</DrEvil>) Shit's gonna happen, enjoy it, back up
    your files, and plug your security holes when they come up.

    exactly :)

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to DesotoFireflite on Thursday, February 20, 2014 22:16:02
    Re: Attacks
    By: DesotoFireflite to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2014 08:17 am

    3? like 3 attempts to connect or 3 different times where thousands
    of connect attempts just bombard your system bringing it to a
    crushing halt

    I meant 3 times a day, I get pinged about 100 times each, sometimes more. It just ties the system up so real callers sometimes can't get in. That is about 300 hack attempts aday, which at times, they come so fast, it takes down all 5 nodes. The clear by themselves, but like I said, it's a pain. They never get in to the bbs, just tie it up.

    That seems excessive, how is your system setup on the net? Cable/DSL? Provider? Are you behind a router with port forwarding or are you "exposed"? Using a synchro.net DynDNS or some other DNS setup? Got your own domain? Who's your host?

    What also shocks me is that you have callers trying to get in at the same time as these hack attempts and they've contacted you to let you know that they can't get online. Wish I could get that kind of traffic.

    -A.


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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Chris Trainor on Thursday, February 20, 2014 22:22:44
    Re: Attacks
    By: Chris Trainor to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2014 03:08 pm

    yeah that was kindof the whole point. :) No sense running a BBS that only I can get to via localhost. :) Tho I do provide a dialup... still makes me wonder why anyone uses it. (I get like 5 - 15 calls/week on it!).

    It's a combination of "Nostalgia" and the fact that the US is still (guessing) about 40% dial-up only. You should run with that, buy up all the USRs off eBay and start a dial-in service again. You'd have the hottest board...


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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to mark lewis on Thursday, February 20, 2014 22:24:15
    Re: Attacks
    By: mark lewis to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2014 02:46 pm

    I mean come on my throw me a bone, are you watching someone running
    some crazy password hacking script,

    that would be noticible... especially if it were using brute force or possibly a list from publicized breeches...

    or is it just some bot trying to relay spam emails through your
    SMTP service?

    that's slightly different than BBS logins, isn't it?

    He didn't really specify what kind of connections they were, I was thinking maybe they were SMTP connection attempts. It's not out of the realm of possibility.


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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to First Officer on Friday, February 21, 2014 04:29:27
    Re: Attacks
    By: First Officer to DesotoFireflite on Thu Feb 20 2014 10:17 am

    Just a 2 cents worth. I once had my cable go down and was out a few days. When I came back up, my IP address changed to one that was so wonderfully listed as a proxy server. So many hits per minute, it just shut my system down. I finally had to change the ip address and that did the trick. That was a drastic attack. The current ones going on are not anywhere near as bad, but if it really starts killing your bbs, maybe You could think about changing the IP address. Depending on what kind You have of course.

    That's doable, if it gets to bad, i'll give it a go. sometimes we forget the obvious. Thanks

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Android8675 on Friday, February 21, 2014 04:33:59
    Re: Attacks
    By: Android8675 to DesotoFireflite on Thu Feb 20 2014 10:16 pm

    That seems excessive, how is your system setup on the net? Cable/DSL? Provider? Are you behind a router with port forwarding or are you "exposed"? Using a synchro.net DynDNS or some other DNS setup? Got your own domain? Who's your host?

    I'm behind a router, with ports forwarded, using syncs DynDNS.

    What also shocks me is that you have callers trying to get in at the same time as these hack attempts and they've contacted you to let you know that they can't get online. Wish I could get that kind of traffic.

    LOL, wish I did have that kind of traffic. Let me rephrase... I assume it's blocking inbound bbs calls, as the bot activity is tying up all 5 nodes at times.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT to DesotoFireflite on Monday, February 24, 2014 08:35:52
    Re: Attacks
    By: DesotoFireflite to Android8675 on Fri Feb 21 2014 04:33:59

    LOL, wish I did have that kind of traffic. Let me rephrase... I assume it's blocking inbound bbs calls, as the bot activity is tying up all 5 nodes at times.


    I get that at times, and looking at the control screen it shows all 5 nodes as At Logon Prompt, for several seconds and then it goes away again. one at the time

    In the meantime nobody can get in
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  • From KF5QEO@VERT/MAINLINE to Chris Trainor on Thursday, February 27, 2014 23:58:21
    Re: Attacks
    By: Chris Trainor to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2014 15:08:44

    yeah that was kindof the whole point. :) No sense running a BBS that only
    I can get to via localhost. :) Tho I do provide a dialup... still makes
    me wonder why anyone uses it. (I get like 5 - 15 calls/week on it!).
    I used to play around with some cool stuff using Winserver. Was neat (Probably could do similiar using synchronet, don't see why not...) I'd run a BBS on one computer, another BBS on another computer, totally different software, totally different users, menus, message areas, files, etc. And when you connect via telnet to winserver, it'd allow you to telnet out to the other BBS's via a telnet command to the local IP address that was only visable via inside the network. All BBS's where setup on port 23, but could only be accessed from the winserver setup (which was the only computer open on the router).

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  • From mro@VERT to Chris Trainor on Saturday, March 01, 2014 14:39:27
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    To: Chris Trainor
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    The hacks I see look like they're general hack scripts that are just
    running against open telnet servers. Looking for a way in, hoping it's
    a misconfigured router, server, switch, etc. If you look thru the username/pw combo lists they try they're not looking to get into the 'BBS'.... just an auto script that found an open telnet port and trying
    a pile of common admin logins.



    they're not 'hack's; they're attacks.

    it's all part of running a server on the internet.
    you're going to be attacked all freaking day and all night by these losers.


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  • From mro@VERT to Android8675 on Saturday, March 01, 2014 14:43:06
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    To: Android8675
    .,: This is something about Attacks,
    Android8675 said it to DesotoFireflite on Wed Feb 19 2014 09:06 pm --ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ-ÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ--ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ

    I get about 3 attempts aday trying to gain access. In the old days, I would call it war dialing. If I manually put the address into the can,

    3? like 3 attempts to connect or 3 different times where thousands of connec attempts just bombard your system bringing it to a crushing halt and crushin any hopes of your users being able to connect, forcing you to literally rip


    i would give my left nut for 3 attack attempts. i get like 3 million per day.

    From what you've described it doesn't sound like much of a pain.

    maybe this guy's best bet is security through obscurity. make it harder for some script to login and try to attack. he could even have a type of telnet capcha which catches a login and tells them to type a code to login to the real system.... or be blocked.

    with bbstorrents i added something simple to my scripts and stopped script attacks and fake accounts by 90%


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  • From mro@VERT to DesotoFireflite on Saturday, March 01, 2014 14:44:10
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    To: DesotoFireflite
    .,: This is something about Attacks,
    DesotoFireflite said it to Android8675 on Thu Feb 20 2014 08:17 am --ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ-ÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ--ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ

    I meant 3 times a day, I get pinged about 100 times each, sometimes more. It just ties the system up so real callers sometimes can't get in. That is abou


    look into using peerblock if you are on windows and if your router doesnt
    give you many options for blocking.


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