I can't seem to get TW2002 going. It throws an emu error. I run Dosemu 1.40. I read on the wiki something about a new version that fixes a problem with Trade Wars. It only has a .iso image. I downloaded it and mounted it but couldn't find an easy way to install it. Any ideas? Thanks.

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Hello ASCII,

On 27 Jan 14 22:47, ASCII Express wrote to All:

I can't seem to get TW2002 going. It throws an emu error. I run Dosemu 1.40. I read on the wiki something about a new version that fixes a problem with Trade Wars. It only has a .iso image. I downloaded it and mounted it but couldn't find an easy way to install it. Any ideas?
Thanks.

Not exactly sure what linux distrobution you're using, but if it's one of the major ones, you should be able to install it from your package manager. 1.4.1 I believe is the most current on Archlinux, Ubuntu, and some others, while I believe Gentoo's maintainers call it 1.4.0.1 or something like that.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Trade Wars 2002 and Dosemu
By: Access Denied to ASCII Express on Tue Jan 28 2014 06:37 am

Not exactly sure what linux distrobution you're using, but if it's one of th

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major ones, you should be able to install it from your package manager. 1.4.

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I believe is the most current on Archlinux, Ubuntu, and some others, while I believe Gentoo's maintainers call it 1.4.0.1 or something like that.

Hey. Yes it uses Debian. It shows the dosemu version as 1.4.0+svn.1999-2. Still no go.

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On 1/27/2014 10:47 PM, ASCII Express wrote:

I can't seem to get TW2002 going. It throws an emu error. I run Dosemu 1.40. I
read on the wiki something about a new version that fixes a problem with Trade
Wars. It only has a .iso image. I downloaded it and mounted it but couldn't find an easy way to install it. Any ideas? Thanks.

I have Mint Linux and DOSEmu 1.4.0.8. I had TW running before I blew up
all my doors. :) TW v 3.09

Make sure you trying to run this: http://wiki.classictw.com/index.php?title=Application:TradeWars_2002_v3

instead of the TWGS stuff (which I dont think has a DOS version)..

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Hello ASCII,

On 28 Jan 14 20:23, ASCII Express wrote to Access Denied:

Hey. Yes it uses Debian. It shows the dosemu version as
1.4.0+svn.1999-2. Still no go.

That could maybe be blamed on how Debian's stable branch is pretty outdated. Did you check the testing branch? And if that's the one in the testing branch, then it still seems pretty old. Archlinux seems to be on 1.4.0.8-1. I'm not sure what that means, but Gentoo updated from 1.4.0 to 1.4.1 because of it lacking 64 bit support, which was a request I had made a few years back. Archlinux has also been updated due to a request from myself within the past year. Maybe it's possible Debian never updated it? You may have to ask a debian developer to update it, as I don't think there's any one person "maintaining" it anymore.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Trade Wars 2002 and Dosemu
By: Access Denied to ASCII Express on Wed Jan 29 2014 12:31 pm

That could maybe be blamed on how Debian's stable branch is pretty outdated. Did you check the testing branch? And if that's the one in the testing branc

h,

then it still seems pretty old. Archlinux seems to be on 1.4.0.8-1. I'm not sure what that means, but Gentoo updated from 1.4.0 to 1.4.1 because of it lacking 64 bit support, which was a request I had made a few years back. Archlinux has also been updated due to a request from myself within the past year. Maybe it's possible Debian never updated it? You may have to ask a debian developer to update it, as I don't think there's any one person "maintaining" it anymore.

Well thanks for the help everyone, but it still doesn't work. I have the correct version of the Trade Wars 2002 file. I built dosemu from source and it indeed reports as 1.40.1. Hmmm......



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Hello ASCII,

On 30 Jan 14 17:18, ASCII Express wrote to Access Denied:

Well thanks for the help everyone, but it still doesn't work. I have
the correct version of the Trade Wars 2002 file. I built dosemu from source and it indeed reports as 1.40.1. Hmmm......

What exactly is happening? There are plenty of factors that could cause it to not work. We just have to figure out which one it is.

I'm absolutely sure it works, as I have it running on my Synchronet system
on Linux with Dosemu.

Are you loading SHARE.EXE (apparantly a requirement for this game)? What are your command parameters to run the game? Is the drop file setup and working properly? Fossil driver? Typo in the batch file? There's a ton of possibilities. Take me back to square one and I'll try to help you out.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Trade Wars 2002 and Dosemu
By: Access Denied to ASCII Express on Thu Jan 30 2014 22:51:14

Are you loading SHARE.EXE (apparantly a requirement for this game)? What
are your command parameters to run the game? Is the drop file setup and working properly? Fossil driver? Typo in the batch file? There's a ton of possibilities. Take me back to square one and I'll try to help you out.

I thought DOSEMU automatically loaded SHARE Compatibility? Speaking of which, what version of share is he loading if any? I'd love to setup dosemu and door support on kingcoder.net one day, I've tried once or twice and can't say I had any luck yet. That's one place Windows is much easier! As far as some of the other parts of your questions, I always found in running doors that it helped when having problems with doors to modify my batch files for testing.
eg.

bnu >mydoor.log
copy door.sys orig_door.sys
echo %0 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 >param.txt


Then actually call the door... Then, if the door doesn't work, I can pull up the text files and see what paramaters was called, how the door.sys file looked, etc. I'd even sometimes save the door.sys from both the door directory and the BBS node directory, just to make sure the right one was getting used.

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Hello KF5QEO,

On 31 Jan 14 23:21, KF5QEO wrote to Access Denied:

I thought DOSEMU automatically loaded SHARE Compatibility?
Speaking of which, what version of share is he loading if any? I'd
love to setup dosemu and door support on kingcoder.net one day, I've
tried once or twice and can't say I had any luck yet. That's one
place Windows is much easier! As far as some of the other parts of
your questions, I always found in running doors that it helped when
having problems with doors to modify my batch files for testing. eg.

I can't really say that Windows is that much easier. Once dosemu is installed and you can execute it and get a C: prompt, as long as Synchronet is compiled with dosemu support, it's actually very easy to setup door games. You don't have to mess with dosemu after that. Then you would just go about your normal business installing the games, using dosemu to configure them (ie: nodes, fossil driver, drop file location, etc), and then in SCFG the main difference between a native executable and something that would use dosemu, is simply setting "Native Executable" to yes or no.

bnu >mydoor.log
copy door.sys orig_door.sys
echo %0 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 >param.txt

Then actually call the door... Then, if the door doesn't work, I can
pull up the text files and see what paramaters was called, how the door.sys file looked, etc. I'd even sometimes save the door.sys from
both the door directory and the BBS node directory, just to make sure
the right one was getting used.

Once dosemu is launched, all of this can still be done for debugging purposes, if you wish.

Regards,
Nick

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Hey. Yes it uses Debian. It shows the dosemu version as 1.4.0+svn.1999-2. Still no go.

What a coincidence. I'm trying to install TW 2002 v3.09 this morning under Debian, as well.

The install batch file worked fine under Dosemu, but I can't launch TW2002 or TEDIT from the command line or the BBS. Dosemu immediately exits with the following error:

"ERROR: EMU86: error 96"

I haven't been able to find anything to help me understand the issue.

I have Falcon's Eye, SRE, and Lemonade working okay under Dosemu. But not TradeWars yet.

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Hello Kirkman,

On 01 Feb 14 15:53, Kirkman wrote to ASCII Express:

The install batch file worked fine under Dosemu, but I can't launch
TW2002 or TEDIT from the command line or the BBS. Dosemu immediately
exits with the following error:

"ERROR: EMU86: error 96"

You might be able to tinker with your dosemu.conf file and enable EMS, and
try to increase XMS. Oddly enough I'm running it here without having to do any of that. Might be a difference with the Debian version being older.

Looks like I also may have stumbled on a site that states something in regardes to having "devicehigh=" in your config.sys and dosemu not liking it? Not sure if that's the truth or not, but you could try changing those to "device=". That may be a FreeDOS related thing too, who knows.

I haven't been able to find anything to help me understand the issue.

You can try to google "Tradewars 2002 dosemu EMU86 error" and see if you see some of the topics I ran into.

I have Falcon's Eye, SRE, and Lemonade working okay under Dosemu. But
not TradeWars yet.

You did say you tried both versions, right?

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Kirkman,

On 01 Feb 14 15:53, Kirkman wrote to ASCII Express:

What a coincidence. I'm trying to install TW 2002 v3.09 this morning
under Debian, as well.

The install batch file worked fine under Dosemu, but I can't launch
TW2002 or TEDIT from the command line or the BBS. Dosemu immediately
exits with the following error:

"ERROR: EMU86: error 96"

I haven't been able to find anything to help me understand the issue.

I have Falcon's Eye, SRE, and Lemonade working okay under Dosemu. But
not TradeWars yet.

Let me also add something to this from the Synchronet documentation:

http://www.synchro.net/docs/linux-dosemu.html

"The most up-to-date freedos distrobution can be found here -- this is known to fix problems with Tradewars 2002."

"here" has a link. It's possible due to Debian's slow update schedules, and the fact that dosemu isn't really supported anymore (unless you beg someone upstream to fix something), it may not be caught up to rolling distros like Gentoo or Archlinux. I'm using Gentoo here, so it could be something as simple as the difference in distros we're using. *shrug*

Hope that helps you.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Trade Wars 2002 and Dosemu
By: Access Denied to ASCII Express on Thu Jan 30 2014 10:51 pm

Are you loading SHARE.EXE (apparantly a requirement for this game)? What are your command parameters to run the game? Is the drop file setup and working properly? Fossil driver? Typo in the batch file? There's a ton of possibilities. Take me back to square one and I'll try to help you out.

Thanks. Well I haven't gotten to setting up the game. I unzip the files into /sbbs/xtrn/2002 then run dosemu. I've tried with ;dos as well as running it manually from within the ;shell, the latter because ;dos clears the screen. Anyways, once in I cd to the directory. I run share and fossil, and both load. I run the install.bat file. It runs the self-extracting files and they work. Then it tries to run bigbang.exe and crashes with the following:

ERROR: EMU86: error 96

So the game can't even initialize. The directory and all files have correct permissions. As said I just built dosemu from source. I had to use the latest tarball as opposed to git, because that gave me a version mismatch in the ems driver.

Hopefully this helps, let me know if you need more info.

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On Sat, 01 Feb 2014, Access Denied wrote to KF5QEO:

I can't really say that Windows is that much easier. Once dosemu is installed and you can execute it and get a C: prompt, as long as Synchronet is compiled with dosemu support, it's actually very
easy to setup door games. You don't have to mess with dosemu after
that. Then you would just go about your normal business installing
the games, using dosemu to configure them (ie: nodes, fossil
driver, drop file location, etc), and then in SCFG the main
difference between a native executable and something that would
use dosemu, is simply setting "Native Executable" to yes or no.

what i've run into is having dosemu working for other things and then not getting it to work for sync... or having it work for sync but not other things... it is like there's a conf file that's wrong or there needs to be more
than one conf file... i dunno... it isn't that important at this time on the system i have access to so it isn't something that we've really tried to chase down...

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Hello ASCII,

On 01 Feb 14 18:32, ASCII Express wrote to Access Denied:

ERROR: EMU86: error 96

So the game can't even initialize. The directory and all files have correct permissions. As said I just built dosemu from source. I had to
use the latest tarball as opposed to git, because that gave me a
version mismatch in the ems driver.

Hopefully this helps, let me know if you need more info.

You're having the same issue as Kirkman. I've given him a couple options and links that could be helpful already. You might want to look into those as well.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello mark,

On 01 Feb 14 21:37, mark lewis wrote to Access Denied:

what i've run into is having dosemu working for other things and then
not getting it to work for sync... or having it work for sync but not other things... it is like there's a conf file that's wrong or there
needs to be more than one conf file... i dunno... it isn't that
important at this time on the system i have access to so it isn't something that we've really tried to chase down...

That's possible. I've seen a lot of custom optimizations using dosemu.conf and global.conf to get certain games or programs to work with it. Using different dosemu.conf files or .dosemurc files in a user's home directory is pretty common.

Then again, I don't believe dosemu is currently maintained anymore. So it's
a real toss up as to what you want to use it for. I only use it for the BBS, and that's it. If I wanted to run games or programs in a DOS environment, I'd probably use dosbox instead. Dosemu just offers the ability to run multiple instances so your multinode games will work, while dosbox does not.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Kirkman,
Looks like I also may have stumbled on a site that states something in regardes to having "devicehigh=" in your config.sys and dosemu not liking it? Not sure if that's the truth or not, but you could try changing those
to "device=". That may be a FreeDOS related thing too, who knows.

I'm kind of pulling my hair out at this point. I did find that there seems to be a Dosemu 1.4.0.8 available through the Sourceforge Git repository here:

http://sourceforge.net/p/dosemu/code/ci/master/tree/

Debian is on 1.4.0.1, and that is the most recent "stable" version you can
find at dosemu.org.

Anyway, I tried compiling 1.4.0.8, and it seemed to work, but didn't make any difference for TradeWars. (Although now I'm getting an EMS error: "ERROR: EMS driver version mismatch: got 3, expected 5, disabling. Please update your ems.sys from the latest dosemu package." No idea what that means, since I just did configure/make/install on the very latest dosemu. Anyway)

After all that, I thought I might try upgrading FreeDos. Debian's dosemu comes with FreeDos 1.0 (which is also the latest version available at dosemu.org), but at FreeDos.org there is a v1.1.

I tried to follow some instructions I found for installing a new FreeDos into Dosemu:

http://www.linuxgoodies.com/freedos.html

But this didn't fully work. The installer ran, but at the very end seemed to error out.

You did say you tried both versions, right?

There's the rub. I hadn't tried the DPMI version. I assumed the other one
would be more likely to work.

So I just tried the DPMI, and the installer actually works. But when I go to run TEDIT, I get this output:

Trade Wars 2002 DPMI module now loading.
Opening Global Message File
Opening Menu File
TEDIT has ended in error. The errorcode is 216
02/14/26 05:56:26 PM AbEnd:
EC=216 LF=MENUFILE.TXT L1= L2=ReadLn_Menu Addr=0018:4134

I have tried googling the 216 error code, but haven't turned anything up. I'm wondering if my EMS failure mentioned above is what's keeping this from working.

I'm also wondering if I shouldn't have bothered upgrading Dosemu in the first placed. Maybe the DPMI TW would have worked from the beginning.

Any ideas?

--Josh

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Let me also add something to this from the Synchronet documentation:

http://www.synchro.net/docs/linux-dosemu.html

"The most up-to-date freedos distrobution can be found here -- this is
known to fix problems with Tradewars 2002."

For what it's worth, I think that warning is 10 years old. As far as I can tell, the FreeDos which comes with Dosemu in Debian, is the very same you
would download from dosemu.org.

As I mentioned in my previous post, there does seem to be a Dosemu 1.4.0.8,
but it's only available in the sourceforge git, and there is a FreeDos 1.1,
but I don't see a binary for use with Dosemu.

--Josh

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Hello Kirkman,

On 04 Feb 14 17:59, Kirkman wrote to Access Denied:

I'm kind of pulling my hair out at this point. I did find that there
seems to be a Dosemu 1.4.0.8 available through the Sourceforge Git repository here:

I remember doing the same at one time. It's just fuzzy as hell now since it was so long ago since I set all that up.

http://sourceforge.net/p/dosemu/code/ci/master/tree/

Debian is on 1.4.0.1, and that is the most recent "stable" version you
can find at dosemu.org.

Anyway, I tried compiling 1.4.0.8, and it seemed to work, but didn't
make any difference for TradeWars. (Although now I'm getting an EMS
error: "ERROR: EMS driver version mismatch: got 3, expected 5,
disabling. Please update your ems.sys from the latest dosemu package."
No idea what that means, since I just did configure/make/install on
the very latest dosemu. Anyway)

As I mentioned, it may very well have to do with what distro it's on as well. When I had requested it be updated on Gentoo for 64bit distros. They might have done that in-house (meaning by Gentoo devs). At the moment, the Gentoo version is at:

[ebuild R ] app-emulation/dosemu-1.4.1_pre20091009

I also had requested something in regards to the Archlinux x86 version didn't work properly (after install it wouldn't give you a C: prompt, but would say something in the line of "C: drive doesn't exist" or something, yet the 64bit version worked fine. This brought the version bump from 1.4.0-7 to 1.4.0-8, which seems like that was actually done upstream since it's available on other distros, too.

I haven't seen Gentoo's 1.4.1 anywhere else, though.. and that's what I'm currently running mine on. Though when I load up dosemu, it still shows that it's v1.4.0.1, so I don't know. Maybe it's just the distro versioning that's different.

After all that, I thought I might try upgrading FreeDos. Debian's
dosemu comes with FreeDos 1.0 (which is also the latest version
available at dosemu.org), but at FreeDos.org there is a v1.1.

I tried to follow some instructions I found for installing a new
FreeDos into
Dosemu:

http://www.linuxgoodies.com/freedos.html

But this didn't fully work. The installer ran, but at the very end
seemed to error out.

I haven't had to do any of this, ever. Which is why I find this so odd. I do remember trying it on Debian in the past, though, and having a LOT more issues than I did with Gentoo and/or Archlinux.

You did say you tried both versions, right?

There's the rub. I hadn't tried the DPMI version. I assumed the other
one would be more likely to work.

So I just tried the DPMI, and the installer actually works. But when
I go to run TEDIT, I get this output:

Trade Wars 2002 DPMI module now loading.
Opening Global Message File
Opening Menu File
TEDIT has ended in error. The errorcode is 216
02/14/26 05:56:26 PM AbEnd:
EC=216 LF=MENUFILE.TXT L1= L2=ReadLn_Menu Addr=0018:4134

I have tried googling the 216 error code, but haven't turned anything
up. I'm wondering if my EMS failure mentioned above is what's keeping
this from working.

Is running TEDIT a requirement? I forgot. Would you be able to run the bigbang thing first to reset the game, then try TEDIT?

I'm also wondering if I shouldn't have bothered upgrading Dosemu in
the first placed. Maybe the DPMI TW would have worked from the
beginning.

Possible, but it might not have either. I would just like to point out that I have always been able to install dosemu/freedos from a package manager and be done with it as far as setup goes.

I did try the compiling route at one point when I was dealing with that Archlinux x86 issue and waiting for someone to fix it. I just ran into even more issues, so I ended up waiting it out and luckily it didn't take long. I had an answer an a new version that worked within a few days.

Any ideas?

You seem to be getting further with the DPMI version. As much as I don't want to tell you to start over, you might want to as far as getting back to the version available in your Debian repo. If you start getting the same errors, yet other games still work, it may not be a dosemu/freedos issue. I do remember having problems with Tradewars 2002 in the past as well.

I guess I would have to mention taking a look around the web at the various door game sites and seeing if there's any differently named zipfiles of the game. Maybe you just have a bad copy.. Who knows. I believe I have both versions (filenames are 2002v309.zip and 2002d309.zip) available for download on bbs.pharcyde.org too.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Kirkman,

On 04 Feb 14 18:01, Kirkman wrote to Access Denied:

Let me also add something to this from the Synchronet
documentation:

http://www.synchro.net/docs/linux-dosemu.html

"The most up-to-date freedos distrobution can be found here -- this
is known to fix problems with Tradewars 2002."

For what it's worth, I think that warning is 10 years old. As far as I
can tell, the FreeDos which comes with Dosemu in Debian, is the very
same you would download from dosemu.org.

At least we know that this has been an ongoing issue for at least 10 years. :)

As I mentioned in my previous post, there does seem to be a Dosemu 1.4.0.8, but it's only available in the sourceforge git, and there is
a FreeDos 1.1, but I don't see a binary for use with Dosemu.

1.4.0-8 is available in most other distrobutions other than Debian. So if you are currently using that one, and it's working, you may want to stick with that instead I suppose.

When you installed 1.4.0-8 of dosemu (from what I remember of doing it manually) you had to provide it with a freedos binary for it to use during compile, right? So in that case, when you tried installing freedos v1.1 you probably accessed it from the D: drive in dosemu then according to that site you linked me to in your previous message?

Just making sure I understand what you've been doing, is all. :)

Regards,
Nick

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