• Windows XP planning?

    From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, December 28, 2013 00:56:56
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Fri Dec 27 2013 08:42 pm

    Yeah, Windows XP was supported for a very long time. But as has been said, I doubt it really matters how long Microsoft will continue to support Windows XP - BBS sysops will be able to continue to use it. I was even running my BBS in Windows 2000 until just a year or two ago. The main


    if you think about it, it's pretty impressive that winxp was used for so long. they really got it right that time.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Friday, December 27, 2013 23:34:34
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Dec 28 2013 00:56:56

    if you think about it, it's pretty impressive that winxp was used for so long. they really got it right that time.

    It was impressive. I think XP was one of the best versions of Windows. But I'm not sure if its long lifetime was completely to Microsoft getting it right. I heard Microsoft's schedule for Vista was pushed back quite a bit. For instance, I remember hearing around 2003-2004 that Microsoft was planning to develop a radical new indexing filesystem (based on a database, I think) for Vista, but that was scrapped.

    Nightfox

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  • From IB JOE@VERT/JOESBBS to Access Denied on Saturday, December 28, 2013 08:38:19
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Fri Dec 27 2013 07:06 pm


    I think the only way to do anything in 64bit Windows, is to run a VM with a 32bit Windows operating system in it. Otherwise I believe DOS door are impossible, unless you try and succeed with Dosbox, where you'll be stuck with only single node gaming support. I'm not even sure that's possible, as I've never seen anyone try.

    Windows 7 32 & oe 64 bit will not support 16 bit dos doors. Just use a VM with XP on it if you need to have DOS doors.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, December 28, 2013 13:26:21
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Fri Dec 27 2013 11:34 pm

    It was impressive. I think XP was one of the best versions of Windows.
    But I'm not sure if its long lifetime was completely to Microsoft getting
    it right. I heard Microsoft's schedule for Vista was pushed back quite a bit. For instance, I remember hearing around 2003-2004 that Microsoft was


    well, windows xp media center's last version was 2005
    vista was around 2007. that's not THAT much of a gap if you take into considering all the versions and service packs with windows xp.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to IB JOE on Saturday, December 28, 2013 13:27:04
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: IB JOE to Access Denied on Sat Dec 28 2013 08:38 am

    sure that's possible, as I've never seen anyone try.

    Windows 7 32 & oe 64 bit will not support 16 bit dos doors. Just use a VM with XP on it if you need to have DOS doors.


    windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
    you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've had to since vista.
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  • From IB JOE@VERT/JOESBBS to Mro on Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:53:15
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Mro to IB JOE on Sat Dec 28 2013 01:27 pm

    windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
    you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've had to since vista.

    I didn't get that memo... so windows 8 32 bit will work as well then??

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to IB JOE on Saturday, December 28, 2013 21:50:20
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: IB JOE to Mro on Sat Dec 28 2013 12:53 pm

    windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
    you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've had
    to since vista.

    I didn't get that memo... so windows 8 32 bit will work as well then??


    dont know, i dont run windows 8.
    probably works the same way.
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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Saturday, December 28, 2013 20:21:50
    Hello Mro,

    On 28 Dec 13 13:27, Mro wrote to IB JOE:

    Windows 7 32 & oe 64 bit will not support 16 bit dos doors. Just
    use a VM with XP on it if you need to have DOS doors.

    windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
    you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've had
    to since vista.

    Yep. I'm willing to bet it would be just as easy to do on Windows 8 or 8.1 32bit as well.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to IB JOE on Saturday, December 28, 2013 20:23:30
    Hello IB,

    On 28 Dec 13 12:53, IB JOE wrote to Mro:

    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Mro to IB JOE on Sat Dec 28 2013 01:27 pm

    windows 7 32bit does support dos doors.
    you just have to copy the fossil to windows/system32 like you've
    had to since vista.

    I didn't get that memo... so windows 8 32 bit will work as well then??

    It's in the Synchronet documentation. There's a specific .DLL file you need to copy to the system32 folder and DOS doors will work. That's only for 32bit versions of Windows, though. 64bit is still damn near impossible - and if there ever was a way to do it, it's probably obsolete and/or outdated by now (referring to whatever Mro was talking about.. some kind of modified DOSBox or something).

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Access Denied on Saturday, December 28, 2013 23:21:04
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Access Denied to IB JOE on Sat Dec 28 2013 08:23 pm

    32bit versions of Windows, though. 64bit is still damn near impossible -
    and if there ever was a way to do it, it's probably obsolete and/or
    outdated by now (referring to whatever Mro was talking about.. some kind of modified DOSBox or something).



    i'm pretty sure you can use bbsdosbox to launch games in win64.
    depends on if you think having one user in a game at a time is a big deal.
    i dont get many users in the same game, so it wouldnt be for me. still, i choose to run in a 32bit environment. i got enough probs.
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  • From Lord Cygnus@VERT/DMINE to The Extremist on Sunday, December 29, 2013 01:27:30
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: The Extremist to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Dec 26 2013 11:34 am

    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Poindexter Fortran to All on Mon Dec 23 2013 10:53 am

    So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2 The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support for XP.

    I'm debating about moving my BBS to Linux, installing MicroXP on the BBS or a little of both -- I was thinking about running the BBS box on Linux setting up MicroXP in a VM. That'd give me the ability to run the BBS whi move things over to Linux.

    How about you?

    MOving to Linux is a great project if you've never done it before.. but as f as Windows XP.. whether support dies out or not.. if it works.. don't fix it with my current Synchronet setup, with SP3 on XP... I could run this BBS for the next 50 years...unless something major happens in the technology world t just alters the way we do things now.

    Ron


    A good firewall config and security prep (anti-virus etc) should keep Windows XP safe enough to run BBS'es.

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Sunday, December 29, 2013 09:11:58
    Hello Mro,

    On 28 Dec 13 23:21, Mro wrote to Access Denied:

    i'm pretty sure you can use bbsdosbox to launch games in win64.
    depends on if you think having one user in a game at a time is a big
    deal. i dont get many users in the same game, so it wouldnt be for me. still, i choose to run in a 32bit environment. i got enough probs.

    Agreed, and most people seem to think the same way I'm guessing. Anyone that comes around and asks, usually gets pointed to running a 32bit Windows, and I haven't come across anyone in a long time that has actually tried it and was successful at it, otherwise more and more people would be doing it.

    There may be a day where Windows stops making a 32bit version of their OS, but until then, there's really no need to force the issue.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Sunday, December 29, 2013 08:56:08
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Mro to Access Denied on Sat Dec 28 2013 23:21:04

    still, i choose to run in a 32bit environment. i got enough probs.

    I've got 99 problems, but running DOS doors ain't one. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Access Denied on Sunday, December 29, 2013 09:00:09
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Access Denied to Mro on Sun Dec 29 2013 09:11:58

    There may be a day where Windows stops making a 32bit version of their
    OS, but until then, there's really no need to force the issue.

    By the time Microsoft stops making a 32-bit version of Windows, there might be better software for 16-bit DOS emulation. If not, then the lack of a 32-bit version of Windows might force people to develop a better 16-bit DOS emulator. I'm hoping that's the case.

    Nightfox

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  • From IB JOE@VERT/JOESBBS to Access Denied on Sunday, December 29, 2013 14:35:06
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Access Denied to IB JOE on Sat Dec 28 2013 08:23 pm

    It's in the Synchronet documentation. There's a specific .DLL file you need to copy to the system32 folder and DOS doors will work. That's only for 32bit versions of Windows, though. 64bit is still damn near impossible - and if there ever was a way to do it, it's probably obsolete and/or outdated by now (referring to whatever Mro was talking about.. some kind of modified DOSBox or something).

    If I stay with windows I will just get a 32 bit version, seems simple enopugh. But I am thinking about Linux as well. I think for ease I may just stay with Windows on my BBS machine and run linux on my personal machine

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to IB JOE on Sunday, December 29, 2013 21:17:22
    Hello IB,

    On 29 Dec 13 14:35, IB JOE wrote to Access Denied:

    If I stay with windows I will just get a 32 bit version, seems simple enopugh. But I am thinking about Linux as well. I think for ease I
    may just stay with Windows on my BBS machine and run linux on my
    personal machine

    I did just the opposite here. I run Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit for my main desktop. I'm a bit of a gamer and the popular titles aren't offered on Linux yet, though from things I've read recently there may be hope in the future on that front. If I need to do any testing otherwise, I have Virtualbox installed on it to run any Linux distro I need at the time.

    I run my BBS on Linux. Over the years I've become quite comfortable with it as well. Door games are a breeze to setup, and I basically have most of my technical crap scripted so I don't have to do stuff manually (send nodelist segments, hatch files, update dynamic DNS, and the list goes on). I rarely have to reboot unless there's an important security update in a kernel upgrade I want to switch to. Whereas when I ran Windows I would have to reboot the machine at least monthly otherwise things would get incredibly slow and odd quirks would start occurring. I'm happy with it, and I guess that's all that matters (whatever makes it easier on me, and leaves me to enjoy doing other things as well). YMMV.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From IB JOE@VERT/JOESBBS to Access Denied on Monday, December 30, 2013 08:57:06
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Access Denied to IB JOE on Sun Dec 29 2013 09:17 pm

    I run my BBS on Linux. Over the years I've become quite comfortable with it as well. Door games are a breeze to setup, and I basically have most of my technical crap scripted so I don't have to do stuff manually (send nodelist segments, hatch files, update dynamic DNS, and the list goes on). I rarely have to reboot unless there's an important security update in a kernel upgrade I want to switch to. Whereas when I ran Windows I would have to reboot the machine at least monthly otherwise things would get incredibly slow and odd quirks would start occurring. I'm happy with it, and I guess that's all that matters (whatever makes it easier on me, and leaves me to enjoy doing other things as well). YMMV.


    Things to think about...

    The learning curve with Linux is my only concern. I didn't want to add the BBS onto that.

    I'll play with it in a VM for a bit to see what comes of it. I did want to have a dialup node though, this is why I was thinking windows... there seems to be more support there.

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to IB JOE on Monday, December 30, 2013 19:38:00
    Hello IB,

    On 30 Dec 13 08:57, IB JOE wrote to Access Denied:

    Things to think about...

    The learning curve with Linux is my only concern. I didn't want to
    add the BBS onto that.

    What better way to learn than to set a goal like setting up a BBS on it? You'll end up using a lot of "cp" and "mv" and "zip" and unzip". There's really not a huge learning curve as far as a BBS is concerned, but that would definitely start you out by rolling up your sleeves at least.

    Either way, I wouldn't worry too much about it, or be scared of trying it out or anything. It just starts coming to you naturally after awhile.

    I'll play with it in a VM for a bit to see what comes of it. I did
    want to have a dialup node though, this is why I was thinking
    windows... there seems to be more support there.

    That's a good idea. Keep your main system in tact while you tinker in a VM. Get comfortable with the basic commands (I can't tell you how many times you'll try using "copy" and "move" on Linux, lol). You'll get the hang of it, and probably realize that all the basics are there just like Windows.

    I believe dialup works fine on Linux. Sexpots works, as far as I know.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Access Denied on Monday, December 30, 2013 21:23:45
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Access Denied to IB JOE on Mon Dec 30 2013 19:38:00

    times you'll try using "copy" and "move" on Linux, lol). You'll get the hang of it, and probably realize that all the basics are there just like Windows.

    I sometimes go back and forth between using a Linux and Windows command line.. I'll briefly get into the habit of typing "dir" and "copy", etc. and then go to a Linux system and try that, and then switch to "ls" and "cp", and then go back to a Windows system and try using "ls" and "cp", etc. and forget I'm back on a Windows system.. :P

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 07:44:56
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Mon Dec 30 2013 09:23 pm

    times you'll try using "copy" and "move" on Linux, lol). You'll get
    the hang of it, and probably realize that all the basics are there
    just like Windows.

    I usually end up aliasing dir in my linux shell and made an ls.bat file that calls dir in my DOS shell. :)

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  • From Charon@VERT/THERIVER to Access Denied on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 09:56:29
    Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Access Denied to Mro on Sun Dec 29 2013 09:11:58

    Hello Mro,

    On 28 Dec 13 23:21, Mro wrote to Access Denied:

    i'm pretty sure you can use bbsdosbox to launch games in win64.
    depends on if you think having one user in a game at a time is a big deal. i dont get many users in the same game, so it wouldnt be for me. still, i choose to run in a 32bit environment. i got enough probs.

    Agreed, and most people seem to think the same way I'm guessing. Anyone that comes around and asks, usually gets pointed to running a 32bit Windows, and haven't come across anyone in a long time that has actually tried it and was successful at it, otherwise more and more people would be doing it.

    There may be a day where Windows stops making a 32bit version of their OS, b until then, there's really no need to force the issue.

    Regards,
    Nick

    I also agree. If everything is running smoothly, why fix it?? I run my BBS off of an old Dell Dimension, 4GB, 32BIT Windows XP Professional and
    everything works great. I tried running a few versions of BBS software,
    using VMWare, XP Mode, etc and always had problems with NAT. So, once the XP support ends, I will still continue on with this machine, since all I use it for is the BBS.

    Charon
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  • From Pbmountaincat@VERT/FLAMINGS to Poindexter Fortran on Saturday, January 11, 2014 22:33:00
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to All <=-

    So, all y'all running Windows XP, what are your plans for your BBSes in 2014? The media is all abuzz with FUD over Microsoft stopping support
    for XP.

    Hello..

    At work we started a few weeks ago rebuilding users systems with Windows 7 (no upgrade path). To have them all switched out by the deadline, we need to rebuild over 140 systems a month.

    Fun.. fun...

    Pbmountaincat






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  • From Pbmountaincat@VERT/FLAMINGS to Curly on Saturday, January 11, 2014 22:34:00
    convert your bbs to android and run it on your phone

    That would be interesting...


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Pbmountaincat on Sunday, January 12, 2014 08:54:08
    Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm

    Hello..

    At work we started a few weeks ago rebuilding users systems with Windows 7 (no upgrade path). To have them all switched out by the deadline, we need to rebuild over 140 systems a month.



    wow, they waited THAT long to switch from windows xp?
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Pbmountaincat on Sunday, January 12, 2014 08:56:25
    Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm

    Pbmountaincat


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    your website is throwing up a false positive for a redirector script.
    avast is preventing me from visiting it.
    ... well looks like the .com is just doing it
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Pbmountaincat on Sunday, January 12, 2014 07:55:05
    Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm

    At work we started a few weeks ago rebuilding users systems with Windows 7 (no upgrade path). To have them all switched out by the deadline, we need to rebuild over 140 systems a month.

    We should all thank the powers that be for doing what they do. Y2K kept us all employed during Y2K and 2000-2001, and XP has keps a lot of desktop people working upgrading. I'm in a network of 40,000+ user systems and we're still getting the last holdouts upgraded.

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  • From Pbmountaincat@VERT/FLAMINGS to Mro on Monday, January 20, 2014 21:37:00
    Mro wrote to Pbmountaincat <=-

    Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm

    At work we started a few weeks ago rebuilding users systems with Windows 7 (no upgrade path). To have them all switched out by the deadline, we need to rebuild over 140 systems a month.

    wow, they waited THAT long to switch from windows xp?

    Actually the PC's they have been replacing over the last few years are Windows 7, but PC's that haven't gotten off the 'books' are just upgraded with OS and memory.

    Fun.. fun..

    Pb

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  • From Pbmountaincat@VERT/FLAMINGS to Mro on Monday, January 20, 2014 21:43:00
    Mro wrote to Pbmountaincat <=-

    Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm

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    your website is throwing up a false positive for a redirector script. avast is preventing me from visiting it.
    ... well looks like the .com is just doing it

    Thanks for letting me know... I haven't had that domain for awhile so didn't get it changed in the qwk tagline. :( Just plain forgot about it.

    Should be fixed now.. cross my fingers.

    Pb


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  • From Pbmountaincat@VERT/FLAMINGS to Poindexter Fortran on Monday, January 20, 2014 21:45:00
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Pbmountaincat <=-

    Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 11 2014 10:33 pm

    We should all thank the powers that be for doing what they do. Y2K kept
    us all employed during Y2K and 2000-2001, and XP has keps a lot of

    Yep, Job security. LOL. Some users say what would you do if I didn't call everyday. :)


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Pbmountaincat on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:09:12
    Re: Re: Windows XP planning?
    By: Pbmountaincat to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Jan 20 2014 09:45 pm

    Yep, Job security. LOL. Some users say what would you do if I didn't call everyday. :)

    I'd sell shoes.


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