• Re: POP3...

    From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Saturday, December 28, 2013 01:02:30
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Dec 27 2013 12:48 pm

    SMTP

    Transfer port: 465
    Submission port: 587

    POP3

    Listening Port: 110

    Sendmail:

    Enabled and using Relay Server

    Relay

    Server: smtp.comcast.net Port: 587

    Login is checked with my necessary login info.

    Now, I can send email out from the board BUT, when I try and send email TO the board I get the following error from Comcast:

    Final-recipient: rfc822; bill.mcgarrity@tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    Action: failed


    why are you running these specific ports on YOUR server?
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Saturday, December 28, 2013 01:04:53
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to Mro on Sat Dec 28 2013 12:19 am

    Another question, if I don't use the relay can I setup a virtual mail server and send/receive directly rather than going through Comcast?
    why dont you just forward your email through vert?

    Because I shouldn't have to. It's not a relay issue with outgoing, that works fine. It's incoming and what makes you think vert or any other mail

    is it in your TOS with comcast that you are allowed to run an email server?
    you should call up support and ask them if you are allowed. i've heard yes and no from various people over the years regarding comcast and servers.

    you might have to get business class to have an open port.

    i sent you a test email and i'm not getting any error msg but something certainly is weird.

    i forward through my ISP and receive directly
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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Bill McGarrity on Saturday, December 28, 2013 08:48:10
    Hello Bill,

    On 28 Dec 13 00:15, Bill McGarrity wrote to Access Denied:

    Final-recipient: rfc822;
    bill.mcgarrity@tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    Action: failed
    Status: 5.1.1
    Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 #5.1.0 Address rejected.
    Last-attempt-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 05:42:45 +0000

    Do you have to setup an actual account of bill.mcgarrity on your
    Comcast website as a secondary user? You may be trying to send
    mail to an invalid email account. At least that's what I get out
    of "Address rejected" from above.

    Why? Synchronet is handling all the SMTP and POP3 issues... I'm just relaying outgoing mail through Comcast but incoming shouldn't have anything to do with it unless they require login information when
    trying to deliver it here. The thing is, nothing shows in the mail
    server status window even when I have it set for "warning" that the
    email is trying to be delivered.

    I'm not sure. I was just throwing that out there. I have my DNS pointing directly to my system, so when someone emails me (at)pharcyde.org it goes directly to my Synchronet mail server. I only relay SMTP through them, which requires an authentication. I use Time Warner, so if they're anything close to the same way Comcast is setup, here's my sbbs.ini section:

    [Mail]
    AutoStart=true
    MaxClients=10
    MaxInactivity=120
    Interface=
    LinesPerYield=10
    MaxDeliveryAttempts=50
    RescanFrequency=3600
    SMTPPort=25
    SubmissionPort=587
    POP3Port=110
    DefaultCharset=IBM437
    DefaultUser=Access Denied
    DNSBlacklistHeader=X-DNSBL
    DNSBlacklistSubject=SPAM
    RelayServer=smtp-server.wi.rr.com
    RelayPort=25
    RelayUsername=<my_RR_email_address>
    RelayPassword=<my_RR_password>
    DNSServer=4.2.2.1
    Options=ALLOW_POP3 | RELAY_TX | ALLOW_RELAY | SMTP_AUTH_VIA_IP
    MaxMsgSize=10485760

    Hope something in there helps you out. Who knows, maybe you just overlooked something, or are not communicating with Comcast the exact way they want you to.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Mro on Saturday, December 28, 2013 07:56:57
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Mro to Bill McGarrity on Sat Dec 28 2013 01:04 am

    you might have to get business class to have an open port.

    Or use a mail redirection service. I have Comcast and they block port 25 outbound to prevent spambots. I use DNSExit.com; they are my primary mail exchanger and accept mail for my domain on port 25 as usual. They relay mail to me on a different port.

    I get mail service and a primary mail exchanger that's in a colo and up 24/7.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Access Denied on Saturday, December 28, 2013 14:52:00
    Access Denied wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Hiya Nick...

    On 28 Dec 13 00:15, Bill McGarrity wrote to Access Denied:


    I'm not sure. I was just throwing that out there. I have my DNS
    pointing directly to my system, so when someone emails me
    (at)pharcyde.org it goes directly to my Synchronet mail server. I only relay SMTP through them, which requires an authentication. I use Time Warner, so if they're anything close to the same way Comcast is setup, here's my sbbs.ini section:

    [Mail]
    AutoStart=true
    MaxClients=10
    MaxInactivity=120
    Interface=
    LinesPerYield=10
    MaxDeliveryAttempts=50
    RescanFrequency=3600
    SMTPPort=25
    SubmissionPort=587
    POP3Port=110
    DefaultCharset=IBM437
    DefaultUser=Access Denied
    DNSBlacklistHeader=X-DNSBL
    DNSBlacklistSubject=SPAM
    RelayServer=smtp-server.wi.rr.com
    RelayPort=25
    RelayUsername=<my_RR_email_address>
    RelayPassword=<my_RR_password>
    DNSServer=4.2.2.1
    Options=ALLOW_POP3 | RELAY_TX | ALLOW_RELAY | SMTP_AUTH_VIA_IP
    MaxMsgSize=10485760

    Thank for this Nick.... my settings are similar.



    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to All on Saturday, December 28, 2013 14:56:00
    OK.... as per mro's suggestion I contacted Comcast. Seems I needed to fill out a form stating that I am the executor of the email server and that I've taken steps to insure spam isn't passed. I explained I use DNSBL so they're processing my request to open my domain up. So hopefully this shit will be resoved within the next 24 hours... lol. I find it funny Comcast sends me 4-5 emails a day peddling their shit and I have to jump through hoops.

    Thanks mro and Nick for the help... appreciate it.


    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


    ... Motorcycles are everywhere... Look twice, save a life!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ TequilaMockingbird Online - TELNET: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Poindexter Fortran on Saturday, December 28, 2013 15:28:00
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Mro <=-


    you might have to get business class to have an open port.

    Or use a mail redirection service. I have Comcast and they block port
    25 outbound to prevent spambots. I use DNSExit.com; they are my primary mail exchanger and accept mail for my domain on port 25 as usual. They relay mail to me on a different port.

    I get mail service and a primary mail exchanger that's in a colo and up 24/7.

    Read my previous post regarding Comcast and my resolution. You need to ask them to unblock the domain. :)


    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


    ... Motorcycles are everywhere... Look twice, save a life!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ TequilaMockingbird Online - TELNET: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Poindexter Fortran on Saturday, December 28, 2013 15:33:00
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Mro <=-


    you might have to get business class to have an open port.

    Or use a mail redirection service. I have Comcast and they block port
    25 outbound to prevent spambots. I use DNSExit.com; they are my primary mail exchanger and accept mail for my domain on port 25 as usual. They relay mail to me on a different port.

    I get mail service and a primary mail exchanger that's in a colo and up 24/7.

    BTW, here is the form I needed to submit to Comcast...

    https://www.comcastsupport.com/sdcxuser/asp/frameset.asp?mainframe=%2Fsdcxuser%2Fasp%2Fcomcast%5Fblockedprovider%2Easp%3F

    Enjoy...


    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


    ... Motorcycles are everywhere... Look twice, save a life!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ TequilaMockingbird Online - TELNET: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Saturday, December 28, 2013 21:51:37
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to All on Sat Dec 28 2013 02:56 pm

    OK.... as per mro's suggestion I contacted Comcast. Seems I needed to fill out a form stating that I am the executor of the email server and that I've taken steps to insure spam isn't passed. I explained I use DNSBL so they're processing my request to open my domain up. So hopefully this shit will be resoved within the next 24 hours... lol. I find it funny Comcast sends me 4-5 emails a day peddling their shit and I have to jump through hoops.


    just so you know... it is now your ASS if someone goes on your bbs and uses it for spam and you are reported.

    you should disable the ability for users to send out email.
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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Bill McGarrity on Saturday, December 28, 2013 20:25:48
    Hello Bill,

    On 28 Dec 13 14:52, Bill McGarrity wrote to Access Denied:

    Thank for this Nick.... my settings are similar.

    Though I take it none of it was helpful in fixing your current situation? :)

    Maybe it's just Comcast. Over the years I've heard plenty of bad things about them. Who do you use for your tequilamockingbirdonline.net address or whatever it is? Can you use them for POP3?

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Bill McGarrity on Saturday, December 28, 2013 20:28:02
    Hello Bill,

    On 28 Dec 13 14:56, Bill McGarrity wrote to All:

    OK.... as per mro's suggestion I contacted Comcast. Seems I needed to
    fill out a form stating that I am the executor of the email server and that I've taken steps to insure spam isn't passed. I explained I use
    DNSBL so they're processing my request to open my domain up. So
    hopefully this shit will be resoved within the next 24 hours... lol. I find it funny Comcast sends me 4-5 emails a day peddling their shit
    and I have to jump through hoops.

    Thanks mro and Nick for the help... appreciate it.

    WOW! Well, on a damn good note, at least they were helpful when you called. I could call a handful of ISPs around here and they wouldn't have a clue in the world what you were referring to.

    Hope that's the answer and you're working properly with no configuration changes! :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Mro on Sunday, December 29, 2013 01:05:00
    Mro wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to All on Sat Dec 28 2013 02:56 pm

    OK.... as per mro's suggestion I contacted Comcast. Seems I needed to fill out a form stating that I am the executor of the email server and that I've taken steps to insure spam isn't passed. I explained I use DNSBL so they're processing my request to open my domain up. So hopefully this shit will be resoved within the next 24 hours... lol. I find it funny Comcast sends me 4-5 emails a day peddling their shit and I have to jump through hoops.


    just so you know... it is now your ASS if someone goes on your bbs and uses it for spam and you are reported.

    I understand that....

    you should disable the ability for users to send out email.

    I can also put a delay on when the email gets sent or till I can review it. Appreciate the info...


    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


    ... Motorcycles are everywhere... Look twice, save a life!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ TequilaMockingbird Online - TELNET: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Access Denied on Sunday, December 29, 2013 01:10:00
    Access Denied wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Hiya Nick...

    On 28 Dec 13 14:52, Bill McGarrity wrote to Access Denied:

    Thank for this Nick.... my settings are similar.

    Though I take it none of it was helpful in fixing your current
    situation? :)

    Nope... but that's ok.

    Maybe it's just Comcast. Over the years I've heard plenty of bad things about them. Who do you use for your tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    address or whatever it is? Can you use them for POP3?

    They weren't too bad when I spoke to them. Actually, did everything via online chat with one of there techs. That is my domain. I purchased it through GoDaddy and use No-Ip as my dns although I don't have to. I could use my dns server here. It's good cause I'm still with a dynamic IP address and their DUC will update it automatically if it should ever change. Have it set for every 5 minutes to update ir needed.

    Enjoy!!


    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


    ... Motorcycles are everywhere... Look twice, save a life!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ TequilaMockingbird Online - TELNET: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Access Denied on Sunday, December 29, 2013 01:14:00
    Access Denied wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-


    Hiya Nick.

    On 28 Dec 13 14:56, Bill McGarrity wrote to All:

    OK.... as per mro's suggestion I contacted Comcast. Seems I needed to
    fill out a form stating that I am the executor of the email server and that I've taken steps to insure spam isn't passed. I explained I use
    DNSBL so they're processing my request to open my domain up. So
    hopefully this shit will be resoved within the next 24 hours... lol. I find it funny Comcast sends me 4-5 emails a day peddling their shit
    and I have to jump through hoops.

    Thanks mro and Nick for the help... appreciate it.

    WOW! Well, on a damn good note, at least they were helpful when you called. I could call a handful of ISPs around here and they wouldn't
    have a clue in the world what you were referring to.

    Yes, there were very helpful and knew exactly what I was talking about and had the answer for me within 5 minutes.

    Hope that's the answer and you're working properly with no
    configuration changes! :)

    They said I'd hear back from the department in charge of domain restrictions within 24 hours so hopefully tomorrow. Till then, it's business as usual. :)


    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


    ... Motorcycles are everywhere... Look twice, save a life!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ TequilaMockingbird Online - TELNET: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Sunday, December 29, 2013 01:10:57
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to Mro on Sun Dec 29 2013 01:05 am


    I can also put a delay on when the email gets sent or till I can review it. Appreciate the info...


    how are you going to do that?
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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Bill McGarrity on Sunday, December 29, 2013 09:17:40
    Hello Bill,

    On 29 Dec 13 01:10, Bill McGarrity wrote to Access Denied:

    Maybe it's just Comcast. Over the years I've heard plenty of bad
    things about them. Who do you use for your
    tequilamockingbirdonline.net address or whatever it is? Can you
    use them for POP3?

    They weren't too bad when I spoke to them. Actually, did everything
    via online chat with one of there techs. That is my domain. I
    purchased it through GoDaddy and use No-Ip as my dns although I don't
    have to. I could use my dns server here. It's good cause I'm still
    with a dynamic IP address and their DUC will update it automatically
    if it should ever change. Have it set for every 5 minutes to update
    ir needed.

    That's how I used to do it as well. I'd just point all my CNAMEs to my dynamic DNS, which works.. but if in the future you want to do anything with IPV6 you would have to double configure it - one as a AAAA record at godaddy, and then hopefully no-ip has some kind of IPV6 forwarding. Of course, this is probably unnecessary for quite some time, but I've been tinkering just to have some basic knowledge about it when it is forced upon us some day.

    I've realized that even though I have a dynamic IP address, the only way it will actually change is if the MAC address on my router changes, which is basically never - and when it does it's because I physically did something (like switch out my router, or update firmware maybe - so I would know to check to see if my IP has changed and fix things accordingly). So now I just aim my Godaddy address directly to myself, and bypass the whole dynamic DNS stuff.. though I still keep the dynamic DNS active just for the hell of it, it's pretty much unneeded now.

    Glad you got it all worked out. I mentioned in another message all I've heard about Comcast was bad things, but I'd like to make a correction there. I think at the time I was thinking about Charter cable company, not Comcast. So I could definitely be wrong about always hearing bad things about Comcast - as I don't believe they offer any service anywhere around me. Charter though, anything I've heard about them is terrible. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Bill McGarrity on Sunday, December 29, 2013 09:30:28
    Hello Bill,

    On 29 Dec 13 01:14, Bill McGarrity wrote to Access Denied:

    Yes, there were very helpful and knew exactly what I was talking about
    and had the answer for me within 5 minutes.

    That's awesome. I recently hit up Time Warner's online chat feature to ask about IPV6 and if it was available in my area yet. The first idiot told me it has been deployed in my area.. so I started asking more questions, to which he had to refer me to someone else. As soon as the second guy entered the chat his words were "we have not deployed IPV6 to residential customers yet, here's an 800 number (which I'm guessing is just a regular customer support line, and nothing specific) to call and ask anymore IPV6 related questions - or to
    check for availability, etc.". So, the first guy had no idea what he was talking about, and the second just flat out said no and threw me a crappy redirection so that I drop the issue, most likely. :)

    Hope that's the answer and you're working properly with no
    configuration changes! :)

    They said I'd hear back from the department in charge of domain restrictions within 24 hours so hopefully tomorrow. Till then, it's business as usual. :)

    Excellent. I'd like to know the outcome, so keep us informed!

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Access Denied on Sunday, December 29, 2013 09:03:46
    Re: POP3...
    By: Access Denied to Bill McGarrity on Sun Dec 29 2013 09:30:28

    about IPV6 and if it was available in my area yet. The first idiot told me it has been deployed in my area.. so I started asking more questions, to which he had to refer me to someone else. As soon as the second guy entered the chat his words were "we have not deployed IPV6 to residential customers yet, here's an 800 number (which I'm guessing is just a regular customer support line, and nothing specific) to call and ask anymore IPV6 related questions - or to check for availability, etc.". So, the first guy had no idea what he was talking about, and the second just flat out said no and threw me a crappy redirection so that I drop the issue, most likely. :)

    That's something that frustrates me about internet companies (and others). They hire people who know nothing about their services and technology, train them a bit, and then put them on the phones doing customer support. There's nothing really wrong with that, but sometimes it frustrates me that most of the time, you get a customer support agent that is only able to forward you to someone else, or may even give you wrong information. I suppose it has to be like that though, because there just aren't enough people within the company who know all about their services to provide all the customer support.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Access Denied on Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:46:45
    Re: POP3...
    By: Access Denied to Bill McGarrity on Sun Dec 29 2013 09:30 am

    the chat his words were "we have not deployed IPV6 to residential customers yet, here's an 800 number (which I'm guessing is just a regular customer support line, and nothing specific) to call and ask anymore IPV6 related questions - or to check for availability, etc.". So, the first guy had no idea what he was talking about, and the second just flat out said no and threw me a crappy redirection so that I drop the issue, most likely. :)


    there's some good tech people in the milwaukee office, but it's hard to get to them. first you get past the call center. i used to have a direct number but
    i misplaced it.
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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Mro on Sunday, December 29, 2013 17:26:00
    Mro wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to Mro on Sun Dec 29 2013 01:05 am


    I can also put a delay on when the email gets sent or till I can review it. Appreciate the info...


    how are you going to do that?

    Well, maybe I was a little too zealous in my verbiage but I can use an "E" restriction for all new members till I can see how they act then upgrade accordingly. It's not like I have a 1,000 member board here.. lol!!


    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


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    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Access Denied on Sunday, December 29, 2013 17:29:00
    Access Denied wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Hiya Nick....


    On 29 Dec 13 01:14, Bill McGarrity wrote to Access Denied:

    Yes, there were very helpful and knew exactly what I was talking about
    and had the answer for me within 5 minutes.

    That's awesome. I recently hit up Time Warner's online chat feature to
    ask about IPV6 and if it was available in my area yet. The first idiot told me it has been deployed in my area.. so I started asking more questions, to which he had to refer me to someone else. As soon as the second guy entered the chat his words were "we have not deployed IPV6
    to residential customers yet, here's an 800 number (which I'm guessing
    is just a regular customer support line, and nothing specific) to call
    and ask anymore IPV6 related questions - or to check for availability, etc.". So, the first guy had no idea what he was talking about, and the second just flat out said no and threw me a crappy redirection so that
    I drop the issue, most likely. :)

    Server 2008 Enterprise already has IPV6 compatability but I'm not really worried about that right now. The way things are done here in the US I'll be dead before that totally gets implimented.

    Hope that's the answer and you're working properly with no
    configuration changes! :)

    They said I'd hear back from the department in charge of domain restrictions within 24 hours so hopefully tomorrow. Till then, it's business as usual. :)

    Excellent. I'd like to know the outcome, so keep us informed!

    Will do.... :)


    Bill

    Telnet: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    IRC: irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Ports: 6661-6670 SSL: +6697
    Radio: radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live


    ... Motorcycles are everywhere... Look twice, save a life!!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ TequilaMockingbird Online - TELNET: bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Bill McGarrity on Sunday, December 29, 2013 17:01:25
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to All on Sat Dec 28 2013 02:56 pm

    OK.... as per mro's suggestion I contacted Comcast. Seems I needed to fill out a form stating that I am the executor of the email server and that I've taken steps to insure spam isn't passed. I explained I use DNSBL so they're processing my request to open my domain up.

    That's good to hear. Last time I spoke with Comcast, they said pretty much unequivocally that the only way to get inbound SMTP on port 25 was to get a business class account. Maybe I'll call back and see if I get someone a little more knowledgeable.


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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Sunday, December 29, 2013 21:13:38
    Hello Nightfox,

    On 29 Dec 13 09:03, Nightfox wrote to Access Denied:

    That's something that frustrates me about internet companies (and
    others). They hire people who know nothing about their services and technology, train them a bit, and then put them on the phones doing customer support. There's nothing really wrong with that, but
    sometimes it frustrates me that most of the time, you get a customer support agent that is only able to forward you to someone else, or may even give you wrong information. I suppose it has to be like that
    though, because there just aren't enough people within the company who know all about their services to provide all the customer support.

    Someone's gotta start at the bottom, I suppose. Maybe customer service is just where they put entry level people with little experience, so they can pay them a minimal salary.

    Anyone who knows the inner workings of the company end up getting promoted to where they don't have to deal with customers, probably. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Sunday, December 29, 2013 21:14:54
    Hello Mro,

    On 29 Dec 13 11:46, Mro wrote to Access Denied:

    there's some good tech people in the milwaukee office, but it's hard
    to get to them. first you get past the call center. i used to have a direct number but i misplaced it.

    That's where I've always called from day one. I think I tried the 800 number a long time ago and ended up with an Indian I could barely understand, so I made sure to memorize the local office (414-271-9283). If it's a relaxed question I just ask the first person who answers, but if I know it's something they're most likely not going to understand, I'll ask for a tier 3 specialist, and most of the time they say something like "let's see if I can help you first," which they usually can't. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Jason@VERT/HDCAFE to Access Denied on Monday, December 30, 2013 09:19:36
    Re: POP3...
    By: Access Denied to Bill McGarrity on Sun Dec 29 2013 09:17 am

    me. Charter though, anything I've heard about them is terrible. ;)

    Several years ago, I was moving from DSL to Business cable in my business name.
    I have two cable providers here, one is charter, the other is Wild Open West (used to be knology at the time).

    I told both of them that I was signing up as a business customer, and i need a block of ip's and no ports blocked... Charter told me that wasn't possible (at the time) with them and they block port 25 and a few others.. Knology told me, look, you're a business account, and we want to support you in any way, and we don't block any ports whatsoever.

    So that made my choice for me, and i've been a business customer of theirs since about 2001. :) Charter could have had that business because they actually had decent pricing and a lot more bandwidth, but knology gives me great support as a business too.. Granted, i pay more per month, but thanksgiving 2012, my internet went down. I called business support, and on thanksgiving within 2 hours, i had someone at my home fixing my internet. So i
    can't complain with that kind of service.. You don't get that from home internet.

    Jason


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  • From Jason@VERT/HDCAFE to Nightfox on Monday, December 30, 2013 09:23:48
    Re: POP3...
    By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Sun Dec 29 2013 09:03 am

    That's something that frustrates me about internet companies (and others). They hire people who know nothing about their services and technology,
    train them a bit, and then put them on the phones doing customer support.

    Wide open West does that for sure... I brought my Synchronet bbs up not long ago, and i wanted to get back my usenet access for the bbs.. So i couldn't find
    the information online from their website, so i called customer support. The guy at level 1 support had no clue what a newsgroup was. He was like "What news site are you trying to get to?" and i'm all like, "no man, newsgroups... have you never heard of newsgroups? there's like a million of them online. Usenet, you've never heard of that?" and he was like "no, never heard of that... Must be something new..."

    I asked him how long he had been using the internet and he told me pretty much all his life... That shows his age.. :)

    Jason


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Jason on Monday, December 30, 2013 10:45:59
    Re: POP3...
    By: Jason to Access Denied on Mon Dec 30 2013 09:19 am

    thanksgiving 2012, my internet went down. I called business support, and on thanksgiving within 2 hours, i had someone at my home fixing my internet. So i can't complain with that kind of service.. You don't get that from home internet.

    I got that kind of service from a local DSL provider, but speed is addicting. I'm getting 55 mbps down/25 up from a crappy cable provider instead of 1.5 down/768 up from a kick ass provider with great service at twice the price.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jason on Monday, December 30, 2013 12:39:48
    That's something that frustrates me about internet companies (and others). They hire people who know nothing about their services and technology, train them a bit, and then put them on the phones doing customer support.

    Wide open West does that for sure... I brought my Synchronet bbs up not
    long ago, and i wanted to get back my usenet access for the bbs.. So i couldn't find the information online from their website, so i called customer support. The guy at level 1 support had no clue what a newsgroup was. He was like "What news site are you trying to get to?" and i'm all like, "no man, newsgroups... have you never heard of newsgroups? there's like a million of them online. Usenet, you've never heard of that?" and he was like "no, never heard of that... Must be something new..."

    I asked him how long he had been using the internet and he told me pretty much all his life... That shows his age.. :)

    heh.. On one hand that seems a little surprising, but honestly I haven't used newsgroups very much for a while. Occasionally I read through & post on some newsgroups though. Unfortunately, it seems that many of the groups are full
    of spam.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Jason on Monday, December 30, 2013 14:10:40
    Re: POP3...
    By: Jason to Nightfox on Mon Dec 30 2013 09:23 am

    Wide open West does that for sure... I brought my Synchronet bbs up not
    long ago, and i wanted to get back my usenet access for the bbs.. So i couldn't find the information online from their website, so i called customer support. The guy at level 1 support had no clue what a newsgroup


    most newsgroup access has been dropped by major isps.
    people dont really use newsgroups for talking anymore.. just binaries.
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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Poindexter Fortran on Monday, December 30, 2013 14:52:14
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Bill McGarrity on Sun Dec 29 2013 17:01:25


    That's good to hear. Last time I spoke with Comcast, they said pretty much unequivocally that the only way to get inbound SMTP on port 25 was to get a business class account. Maybe I'll call back and see if I get someone a little more knowledgeable.

    OK... here is the scoop.... they now say it is against policy on a residential account.... so you're right, they want me to convert over to a commercial
    one. I asked them why originally when I spoke to a rep before I moved into the area they said they'd be no issues, they just go back to the "Terms and Conditions" bullshit. Told them they better train their 1st tier support a little better. Assholes...



    Bill

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Monday, December 30, 2013 16:15:18
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Dec 30 2013 02:52 pm

    residential account.... so you're right, they want me to convert over to a commercial one. I asked them why originally when I spoke to a rep before I moved into the area they said they'd be no issues, they just go back to the "Terms and Conditions" bullshit. Told them they better train their 1st
    tier support a little better. Assholes...


    well, i can understand why they dont want residential customers to run
    servers on their services. especially email servers.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Mro on Monday, December 30, 2013 17:31:00
    Mro wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Dec 30 2013 02:52 pm

    residential account.... so you're right, they want me to convert over to a commercial one. I asked them why originally when I spoke to a rep before I moved into the area they said they'd be no issues, they just go back to the "Terms and Conditions" bullshit. Told them they better train their 1st
    tier support a little better. Assholes...


    well, i can understand why they dont want residential customers to run servers on their services. especially email servers.

    there's reasons for these rules, and it's almost always some abusive customer. ---

    That's possible... but I would have gone another route if it wasn't for the original discussion I had with their sales rep. Either way, it's resolved. I'm just redirecting. Costs a few bucks/year but I have peace of mind.

    What I find most amusing is, they're not blocking outbound mail.... only incoming. Seems rather ass-backwards if you ask me when trying to reduce spam.

    Enjoy...


    Bill

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, December 30, 2013 19:13:28
    On Mon, 30 Dec 2013, Nightfox wrote to Jason:

    heh.. On one hand that seems a little surprising, but honestly I
    haven't used newsgroups very much for a while. Occasionally I read
    through & post on some newsgroups though. Unfortunately, it seems
    that many of the groups are full of spam.

    get out of the ALT.* hierarchy and you won't find that so much ;)

    ALT.* is "alternative" and it is definitely much worse that the wild wide open west...

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Bill McGarrity on Monday, December 30, 2013 19:19:44
    On Mon, 30 Dec 2013, Bill McGarrity wrote to Mro:

    What I find most amusing is, they're not blocking outbound mail....
    only incoming. Seems rather ass-backwards if you ask me when
    trying to reduce spam.

    their concern is protecting their customers... that means stopping inbound spam... it also affords them the ability to set up huge mail pots like honey pots so as to accumulate all that mail for analysis which lets them share malware signatures and evidence with network security bods...

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to mark lewis on Monday, December 30, 2013 21:43:00
    mark lewis wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    On Mon, 30 Dec 2013, Bill McGarrity wrote to Mro:

    What I find most amusing is, they're not blocking outbound mail....
    only incoming. Seems rather ass-backwards if you ask me when
    trying to reduce spam.

    their concern is protecting their customers... that means stopping
    inbound spam... it also affords them the ability to set up huge mail
    pots like honey pots so as to accumulate all that mail for analysis
    which lets them share malware signatures and evidence with network security bods...

    I can understand that Mark.. but by the same token I gave them a statment that I'd be using DNSBL's and other various protection. I guess it's the NSA... shhhhhhh... ;)

    Enjoy and Happy New Year!!


    Bill

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  • From Access Denied@VERT/PHARCYDE to Jason on Monday, December 30, 2013 19:43:16
    Hello Jason,

    On 30 Dec 13 09:19, Jason wrote to Access Denied:

    I told both of them that I was signing up as a business customer, and
    i need a block of ip's and no ports blocked... Charter told me that
    wasn't possible (at the time) with them and they block port 25 and a
    few others.. Knology told me, look, you're a business account, and we
    want to support you in any way, and we don't block any ports
    whatsoever.

    Sounds about right. My in-laws live about 30 minutes from here (in another county) and had Charter at one time. I remember port 25 was also blocked there as well, so that must just be something Charter automatically does.

    As far as your other option, and the one you chose, that's exactly how they should treat you if they want your service - and want to keep you for the long haul.

    So that made my choice for me, and i've been a business customer of
    theirs since about 2001. :) Charter could have had that business
    because they actually had decent pricing and a lot more bandwidth, but knology gives me great support as a business too.. Granted, i pay more
    per month, but thanksgiving 2012, my internet went down. I called
    business support, and on thanksgiving within 2 hours, i had someone at
    my home fixing my internet. So i can't complain with that kind of service.. You don't get that from home internet.

    Yep. Charter does have better pricing than most, but you get what you pay for in that case.. from what I've heard anyways. I've been pretty happy with Time Warner as far as service and reliability goes, just their customer support for residential service at the tier 1 level is terrible. That's fine though, I ask for tier 3, and if they don't give them to me instantly, I ask my question, which is usually far beyond their scope of knowledge. I'm then put on hold for a few seconds until a tier 3 tech comes on. :)

    Other than that, I don't have a business here, and the difference in price between business class service and residential here is enormous. Right now I have 30mb/5mb internet for a fraction of the price it would be for business class - which I doubt they even offer because the bandwith is usually more even, like 5mb/5mb or something for 300/month.

    I got an offer I couldn't refuse from AT&T Uverse at one point, and Time Warner at the time wouldn't budge on their price until I told them I was leaving. By then it was too late and I ended up with AT&T. That lasted a whopping 3 months until I was so fed up with not only their terrible service here, but their customer support was even worse than what I had (which was very hard to believe that was possible). Went back to TW with a locked in deal in place when I re-signed up. No contract, and saving a good amount on my HDTV service and I'm back to comfort with reliability and stability, so I can't complain much about the residential service I get here from the cable company.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Mro on Monday, December 30, 2013 20:02:25
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Mro to Bill McGarrity on Mon Dec 30 2013 04:15 pm

    there's reasons for these rules, and it's almost always some abusive customer.

    In the case of blocking port 25, it was unmaintained Windows XP SP1 boxes that got infected and botnetted into a SPAM net - after that most ISPs started blocking SMTP.

    I'd assume it was a typical "remove services then upsell a commercial account at 3x the price" but bot SPAM was pretty bad.

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  • From Rj Clay@VERT to Poindexter Fortran on Monday, December 30, 2013 10:25:14
    OK.... as per mro's suggestion I contacted Comcast. Seems I needed to fill >> out a form stating that I am the executor of the email server and that
    I've taken steps to insure spam isn't passed. I explained I use DNSBL so
    they're processing my request to open my domain up.

    That's good to hear. Last time I spoke with Comcast, they said pretty much unequivocally that the only way to get inbound SMTP on port 25 was to get
    a business class account. Maybe I'll call back and see if I get someone a little more knowledgeable.

    I'd be interested in hearing about that as well. I recently moved and now have Comcast as my ISP. Besides my local systems (which I'm rebuilding and expanding, now that I can...), I also have a hosted system; using an alternate port between my local mail server and the hosted system.




    Jame



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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:08:23
    Re: Re: POP3...
    By: Bill McGarrity to Mro on Mon Dec 30 2013 05:31 pm

    What I find most amusing is, they're not blocking outbound mail.... only incoming. Seems rather ass-backwards if you ask me when trying to reduce spam.


    well they effectively prevented you from running an email server.
    i'm sure if someone would have reported you for spamming, they'd be right on it and contact you or suspend your account. with timewarner they fuck with your dns settings so it directs you to a page notifying you to call them.
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