I'm currently taking a "Survey of the Sciences" course in school and my textbook stated the following about the comparison of science and religion...(the section is titled "Science, Art and Religion")...

"Science and religion have similarities also. For example, both are
motivated by curiosity about the natural world. Both have great impact
on society. Science, for example, leads to useful technological
innovations, while religion provides a foothold for many social
services. Science and religion, however, are basically different.
Science is concerned with understanding the physical universe, whereas religion is concerned with spiritual matters, such as belief and faith. Scientific truth is a matter of public scrutiny; religion is a deeply
personal matter. In these respects, science and religion are as
different as apples and oranges and do not contradict each other.

Ultimately, in learning more about science, art, and religion, we find
that they are not mutually exclusive. Rather, they run parallel to each
other like strings on a guitar, each resonating at its own frequency.
When played together, the chord they produce can be a chord of profound richness. Science, art, and religion can work very well together, which
is why we should never feel forced into choosing one over the other.

That science and religion can work very well together deserves special emphasis. When we study the nature of light later in this book, we will
treat light first as w wave and then as a particle. At first, waves and particles may appear contradictory. You might believe that light can be
only one or the other, and that you must choose between them. What
scientists have discovered, however, is that light waves and light
particles complement each other, and that, when these two ideas are
taken together, they provide a deeper understanding of light. In a
similar way, it is mainly people who are either uninformed or
misinformed about the deeper natures of both science and religion who
feel that they must choose between believing in religion and believing
in science. Unless one has a shallow understanding of either or both,
there is no contradiction in being religious in one's belief system and
being scientific in one's understanding of the natural world.(*) What
your religious beliefs are, and whether you have nay religion at all,
are of course private matters for you to decide. The tangling up of
science and religion has led to many unfortunate arguments over the
course of human history.

(*)Of course, this does not apply to certain extremists who steadfastly
assert that one cannot embrace both their brand of religion and science."

This section is preceded by a section stating that philosophical,
religious and supernatural questions lie outside of the realm of science
and that sciences asks how, art asks who, and religion asks why...

thoughts?

Source: Hewitt, Lyons, Suchocki, Yeh. "Conceptual Integrated Science".
Pearson Addison Wesley. 2007 p. 7"

This textbook was written by professors from City College of San
Francisco (Hewitt), CSU Sacramento (Lyons), St. Michael's College
(Suchocki), and UC San Francisco (Yeh) and peer reviewed by 80 different professors from various colleges and universities across the country.

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Re: Interesting take on Science and Religion
By: sn0w0wl to dove.religion on Mon Dec 07 2009 07:21 pm

That science and religion can work very well together deserves special emphasis.

That is a laugh. Religion has been undermining science since its incarnation.

...similar way, it is mainly people who are either uninformed or
misinformed about the deeper natures of both science and religion who
feel that they must choose between believing in religion and believing
in science. Unless one has a shallow understanding of either or both,
there is no contradiction in being religious in one's belief system and being scientific in one's understanding of the natural world.(*) What
your religious beliefs are, and whether you have nay religion at all,
are of course private matters for you to decide. The tangling up of
science and religion has led to many unfortunate arguments over the
course of human history.

I can't believe this hogwash is found in a science book. For a complete rebutal to this, one need only open a few pages of The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins.

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Re: Interesting take on Science and Religion
By: sn0w0wl to dove.religion on Mon Dec 07 2009 07:21 pm

That science and religion can work very well together deserves special emphasis.

That is a laugh. Religion has been undermining science since its incarnation.

And science hasn't been trying to undermine and destroy religious faith?
There are zealots on both sides...doesn't make either one right...

...similar way, it is mainly people who are either uninformed or
misinformed about the deeper natures of both science and religion who
feel that they must choose between believing in religion and believing
in science. Unless one has a shallow understanding of either or both, there is no contradiction in being religious in one's belief system and being scientific in one's understanding of the natural world.(*) What
your religious beliefs are, and whether you have nay religion at all,
are of course private matters for you to decide. The tangling up of science and religion has led to many unfortunate arguments over the
course of human history.

I can't believe this hogwash is found in a science book.

Believe it cause it is....check the reference... :-)

For a complete rebutal to this, one need only open a few pages of The God Delusion, by Richard
Dawkins.

only if you are willing to accept the word of an admitted atheist who,
based on video interviews that I've seen of him, has made it his mission
in life to rid the world of religious faith...I have no problem with his
being an atheist but I do have a problem with him as a one-sided researcher...re-read the post...neutrality is supposed to rule the day
in research, not agenda (from either side)...

btw...apparently you missed the asterisk comment....you seem to fit that "extremist" category (as does Dawkins).

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Re: Re: Interesting take on Science and Religion
By: sn0w0wl to nightcrawler on Tue Dec 08 2009 10:53 pm


Praise Science! I like the Allied Athiest Alliance myself.

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sn0w0wl heard from nightcrawler about Interesting take on Scien on 12-08-09

...similar way, it is mainly people who are either uninformed or
misinformed about the deeper natures of both science and religion who
feel that they must choose between believing in religion and believing
in science. Unless one has a shallow understanding of either or both, there is no contradiction in being religious in one's belief system and being scientific in one's understanding of the natural world.(*) What
your religious beliefs are, and whether you have nay religion at all,
are of course private matters for you to decide. The tangling up of science and religion has led to many unfortunate arguments over the
course of human history.

I can't believe this hogwash is found in a science book. For a complete rebuta
to this, one need only open a few pages of The God Delusion, by Richard n>Dawkins.

Funny how someone's hogwash can be another person's truth. I think a lot of this
stuff comes down to brain wiring.

Everything we are and see and do all came from a tiny dot smaller than the period at the end of this sentence. Who or what could possibly pull that off?

Having an openess to both relgion and science allows me the freedom to not have
to choose one over the other. It allows me to NOT HAVE TO make sure that both agree without questioning one another. It allows me to THINK without FEAR. And IF there is a God, then science can go a long way to expose characteristics about that creator.



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Curt wrote:

I can't believe this hogwash is found in a science book. For a complete rebuta
to this, one need only open a few pages of The God Delusion, by Richard n>Dawkins.

Funny how someone's hogwash can be another person's truth. I think a lot of this
stuff comes down to brain wiring.

Everything we are and see and do all came from a tiny dot smaller than the period at the end of this sentence. Who or what could possibly pull that off?

Having an openess to both relgion and science allows me the freedom to not have
to choose one over the other. It allows me to NOT HAVE TO make sure that both
agree without questioning one another. It allows me to THINK without FEAR. And
IF there is a God, then science can go a long way to expose characteristics about that creator.

I think that's the point of what the authors are trying to say...it's
not just one or the other, it's not one is better than the other...it's
more that they both have merits and faults and, depending on your
(generically speaking) mindset, they are not opposed, just different
ways of looking at the same thing...one figures out the box and the
other looks at the possibilities beyond the box...

all it takes is a willingness to be open to the idea that they can work together...

just my opinion though...course I'm not an extremist...

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