Hal Lindsey Hal Lindsey WND Exclusive Commentary Gaza's place in Bible's prophecies Posted: September 28, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

The Jerusalem-based Institute for Contemporary Affairs recently released a report authored by Lt. Col. Jonathan Dahoah-Halevi that concludes, to nobody's particular surprise, that the Gaza Strip has become a haven for al-Qaida terrorists.

Gaza, part of the biblical "land of the Philistines" was the place where Samson toppled the Temple of Dagon on his enemies, giving his life in the process.

Gaza was first conquered for Israel by King David and subsequently fell to the Assyrians, the Egyptians, the Babylonians, Persians and Greeks.

But in the days of King David, it was part of Israel. In Jesus' day, it was part of the Hasmonean Kingdom that ended with Herod the Great. In 1967, Gaza again became part of Israel when Egypt lost it in the Six Day's War.

In September 2004, Ariel Sharon announced his controversial disengagement plan under the title, "Gaza First." Sharon intended to turn Gaza completely over to Palestinian rule, hoping to accomplish two goals in the process.

The first and official goal was contained within its slogan, "Gaza First." Israel would allow Gaza to govern itself, then use Gaza's success or failure as a template for future negotiations over the West Bank.

Israel pulled out of Gaza Sept. 12, 2005, leaving behind 1,000 Israeli settler greenhouses to spare the jobs of the 4,000 Palestinians who worked in them.

Before that day was over, the Associated Press was reporting that:

"Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip."

As the Israeli settlers were being dragged from their homes, the Palestinians torched the 19 synagogues left standing. Within sight of the smoking synagogues, in a somber farewell ceremony, Gen. Aviv Kochavi, the Gaza commander, expressed his hope the pullout would be a step toward peace.

"The gate that will close behind us is also the gate that will open," he said. "We hope it will be a gate of peace and quiet, a gate of hope and goodwill, a gate of neighborliness."

As the gate closed, Kassam rockets began roaring out the abandoned settlements and into the homes and shops of the Israeli cities on the other side.

Within a year, the residents of Gaza elected Hamas on their foundational platform that calls for the destruction of Israel and its replacement with an Islamic state.

A year after that, finds the Halavi Report, "The declared policy of Hamas to provide sanctuary to any jihad fighter invites additional terrorist groups associated with al-Qaida to plant themselves in the Gaza Strip."

Here's the amazing part. I believe that this is exactly what Ariel Sharon expected to happen. His only miscalculation was in thinking that, having seen a preview of what a Palestinian state would look like, the world would come to its collective senses.

Sharon underestimated two things: the almost palpable fear among Western governments to do anything that might offend Islam, and the depth of nascent global anti-Semitism. The world fears Islam, but it despises Israel on a level so deep that it is defies logical explanation.

Seen at that level, if Islam destroyed Israel and then went back into hibernation, it would be a fair trade. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, but for some, especially at the U.N., it's worth the risk. All they have to lose is Israel.

It is almost impossible to fathom, but, barring that explanation, how does one account for the fact the world is still clamoring for the creation of a Palestinian state?

In every possible area of measurement, the Palestinians have failed the test for statehood.

As a people, the formerly Egyptian residents of Gaza immediately declared independence from the government run by the formerly Jordanian residents of the West Bank and launched a civil war. They are not one people, but two.

As a government, the only thing the Palestinian Authority has proved consistently efficient at is looting the national treasury.

As a society, the moment they were handed a working infrastructure, they looted it out of existence. They exercised their first opportunity at self-government by electing the terrorists who walk among them as their leaders.

Ariel Sharon handed them everything they demanded in Gaza, and they turned Gaza into Afghanistan. Evidently satisfied with the results, the Quartet is now pressuring Israel to allow the PA to turn the West Bank into Saudi Arabia and Jerusalem into Mecca.

Even blindness can't account for such widespread ignorance of the danger. It goes beyond "blindness," skids right past "ignorance," and stops squarely in front of "delusional."

Why would the world side with an openly terrorist entity – in the midst of a war on terror – at the expense of the only reliable Western allied democracy in the region, leaving it adrift in a sea of rapacious Islamic dictatorships?

Try, for a moment, to substitute some other Western representative democracy instead of Israel into this scenario in your imagination.

Israel is an ally to every nation fighting the war on Islamic terror. Those same allied nations are advancing a policy of granting statehood to terrorists sworn to the destruction of that ally ... never mind. The more I try to explain it, the crazier it sounds. And that's the point.

This is exactly the scenario outlined by the Hebrew prophets as signs of the soon coming of Israel's Messiah.

The prophet Zechariah predicted the whole world would be united against Israel over the Jerusalem Question (Zechariah 12:1-3); the prophet Daniel (Daniel 9:27) predicted an agreement that seemingly settles the Temple Mount Question; and the prophet Ezekiel predicts that, in the end, Israel will still face a massive Islamic invasion reluctantly overseen by Russia and led by Persia (Iran) (Ezekiel 38:5).

Think about this for a second. Since it is absolutely illogical, and yet it is also exactly the situation we find ourselves witnessing, do you really believe it was all just a really good guess?

It would be amazing enough if the prophets had forecast a scenario that made sense and it came to pass. But the scenario they predicted defies all natural explanation – and yet is coming to pass as literally as it was forecast.

The fact is the Bible is true, and the setup for the fulfillment of Bible prophecies for the final seven years of Tribulation are almost complete. There is only a short time left to choose where you will spend eternity.

Jesus Christ purchased a pardon on your behalf with His own blood at Calvary's Cross. He extends it to you now. All you need do is accept it. Allow Jesus Christ to come into your life and He will transform it forever.

The choice is yours.

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Re: Interestingly Enough..
By: Top Gun to All on Fri Oct 05 2007 11:42:00

But in the days of King David, it was part of Israel. In Jesus' day, it was part of the Hasmonean Kingdom that ended with Herod the Great. In 1967, Gaza again became part of Israel when Egypt lost it in the Six Day's War.

[digressive sidenote]

Funny you mention the Six Days War. The Israeli government, even today,
denies knowing that the USS Liberty was an American vessel at the time they were busy sinking it from the air.

check out http://www.ussliberty.org/findings.htm. Compare that with
what navy.mil has to say about "mistaken Identity."

[/digressive sidenote]

under the title, "Gaza First." Sharon intended to turn Gaza completely over Palestinian rule, hoping to accomplish two goals in the process.

. . .

Within a year, the residents of Gaza elected Hamas on their foundational platform that calls for the destruction of Israel and its replacement with a Islamic state.

Well, considering that the Palestinians were replaced with an Islamic state, it's more a case of turnabout, isn't it?

A year after that, finds the Halavi Report, "The declared policy of Hamas to provide sanctuary to any jihad fighter invites additional terrorist groups associated with al-Qaida to plant themselves in the Gaza Strip."

Here's the amazing part. I believe that this is exactly what Ariel Sharon expected to happen. His only miscalculation was in thinking that, having see a preview of what a Palestinian state would look like, the world would come its collective senses.

Okay. Here's where your post gets interesting.

Sharon underestimated two things: the almost palpable fear among Western governments to do anything that might offend Islam, and the depth of nascent global anti-Semitism. The world fears Islam, but it despises Israel on a lev so deep that it is defies logical explanation.

Fear of offending Islam? What demonstrates this fear? Swagger towards Pakistan? Open threats of war against Iran? The atrocities of Abu Ghraib, Guant…namo Bay, Camp Buucca, and others?


And it's not so much anti-Semitism as it is anti-Israelism. Remeber that Israel was *given* a country, by force of UN might. And now is being used as
a stepping stone to control in the Middle East.

Seen at that level, if Islam destroyed Israel and then went back into hibernation, it would be a fair trade. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, bu for some, especially at the U.N., it's worth the risk. All they have to lose is Israel.

Suuuuuure.

It is almost impossible to fathom, but, barring that explanation, how does o account for the fact the world is still clamoring for the creation of a Palestinian state?

As a way to say "sorry we stole your country. here's some of it back. Our bad."

In every possible area of measurement, the Palestinians have failed the test for statehood.

. . .

Even blindness can't account for such widespread ignorance of the danger. It goes beyond "blindness," skids right past "ignorance," and stops squarely in front of "delusional."

Wow. That was a scathing review of Palestinians.

Why would the world side with an openly terrorist entity – in the midst of a war on terror – at the expense of the only reliable Western allied democracy in the region, leaving it adrift in a sea of rapacious Islamic dictatorships

Try, for a moment, to substitute some other Western representative democracy instead of Israel into this scenario in your imagination.

Oh, I can easily think of a couple that are also arrogant, expansionist meddlers.

Israel is an ally to every nation fighting the war on Islamic terror. Those same allied nations are advancing a policy of granting statehood to terroris sworn to the destruction of that ally ... never mind. The more I try to explain it, the crazier it sounds. And that's the point.

Israel is just as much a theocratic entity as Palestine. Israel was given as
a *Jewish* homeland, and flies a Star of David for a national flag. They
are, indeed, fighting *Islam,* and labeling it with the current buzzword of "terrorist."

This is exactly the scenario outlined by the Hebrew prophets as signs of the soon coming of Israel's Messiah.

And now, finally, comes this thread's relevance to Religion, as opposed to political debate.

The prophet Zechariah predicted the whole world would be united against Isra over the Jerusalem Question (Zechariah 12:1-3); the prophet Daniel (Daniel 9:27) predicted an agreement that seemingly settles the Temple Mount Questio and the prophet Ezekiel predicts that, in the end, Israel will still face a massive Islamic invasion reluctantly overseen by Russia and led by Persia (Iran) (Ezekiel 38:5).

Zechariah 12:2 - "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all
the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah *and* against Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:27 - "He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a
wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation,
until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Ezekiel 38:5 - "Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets,"

Okay, so you found three that might relate to this time. The funny thing
about prophecy is that if stay vague enough, *every* prediction will come
true, eventually.


And where is Persia? Where is Cush? Where is Put? I know, you'll tell me that they've changed names and borders since biblical times, but that
argument is an example of bibliolatrous suspension of logic.

After all, everything in the Bible is the Word of God, right? Well, then, if God says "Persia, Cush, and Put," then isn't it your *duty* as a follower of the *truth,* to look out for mah'fahn CUSH? Shouldn't you be preparing to
put Put in it's place?

And Daniel's prophecy, by the way, was written after the fact, around 165
bce, but "prophesized" events that occured around 600 bce.

Ezekial wasn't referring to now. He was referring to Tyre - which still stands, by the way!

Think about this for a second. Since it is absolutely illogical, and yet it also exactly the situation we find ourselves witnessing, do you really belie it was all just a really good guess?

No. It was history written in a prophetic voice, to point out moralist
lessons to Hebrews.

Since when are the books of the prophets in the OT anything more than various *commentaries* on the Torah? Which, by the way, has its own brand of
silliness I'd love to discuss some time.

It would be amazing enough if the prophets had forecast a scenario that made sense and it came to pass. But the scenario they predicted defies all natura explanation – and yet is coming to pass as literally as it was forecast.

No it's not. Once again, the armies of Cush ore not beseiging Jerusalem. Jerusalem is safely ensconced in Israel, surrounded by a solid military structure. Tyre still stands.

The fact is the Bible is true, and the setup for the fulfillment of Bible prophecies for the final seven years of Tribulation are almost complete. The is only a short time left to choose where you will spend eternity.

The bible is true? Okay, then, let's go buy some slaves! After all, God himself told us, in his infalliable bible, how to ethically hold, buy, and
use slaves... <Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:43;, Exodus 21:1; Leviticus 25:44; Colossians 3:22> God loves slavery! Let's look at some of God's other
divine zingers while we're at it..


Have you given all of your wealth away yet? If not, send me an email "musical.moose.studios@gmail.com" and I'll gladly tell you where to deposit
it. <Matthew 6:19, 6:24, 19:21-24; Luke 14:33, 9:23-25>

Have you ceased striving for personal success yet? Stop trying to better yourself <Hebrews 13:5, Phillippians 2:3, Acts 2:44-45>

Jesus Christ purchased a pardon on your behalf with His own blood at Calvary Cross. He extends it to you now. All you need do is accept it. Allow Jesus Christ to come into your life and He will transform it forever.

This is false as well, by biblical standards. Acceptance isn't enough. You must also cast aside all worldly possesions, desire for self improvement, and literally follow the Torah. You must be willing to allow slavery, murder, genocide when God commands it of you, but still not kill (unless ordered to).

Not to mention you must suspend all logic and blindly ignore the many blatant contradictions of fundemental movements, especially evangelical Christianity
in the west.

The choice is yours.

Relate

Yep. And I choose to follow logic and reason. The Judeo-Christian God is *imaginary.*


Surreality is just an illusion.

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Re: Interestingly Enough..

By: Top Gun to All on Fri Oct 05 2007 11:42:00

But in the days of King David, it was part of Israel. In Jesus' day, it was part of the Hasmonean Kingdom that ended with Herod the Great. In 1967, Gaza again became part of Israel when Egypt lost it in the Six Day's War.

[digressive sidenote]

Funny you mention the Six Days War. The Israeli government, even today, denies knowing that the USS Liberty was an American vessel at the time they were busy sinking it from the air.

check out http://www.ussliberty.org/findings.htm. Compare that with
what navy.mil has to say about "mistaken Identity."

[/digressive sidenote]

under the title, "Gaza First." Sharon intended to turn Gaza completely over Palestinian rule, hoping to accomplish two goals in the process.

. . .

Within a year, the residents of Gaza elected Hamas on their foundational platform that calls for the destruction of Israel and its replacement with a Islamic state.

Well, considering that the Palestinians were replaced with an Islamic state, it's more a case of turnabout, isn't it?

A year after that, finds the Halavi Report, "The declared policy of Hamas to provide sanctuary to any jihad fighter invites additional terrorist groups associated with al-Qaida to plant themselves in the Gaza Strip."

Here's the amazing part. I believe that this is exactly what Ariel Sharon expected to happen. His only miscalculation was in thinking that, having see a preview of what a Palestinian state would look like, the world would come its collective senses.

Okay. Here's where your post gets interesting.

Sharon underestimated two things: the almost palpable fear among Western governments to do anything that might offend Islam, and the depth of nascent global anti-Semitism. The world fears Islam, but it despises Israel on a lev so deep that it is defies logical explanation.

Fear of offending Islam? What demonstrates this fear? Swagger towards Pakistan? Open threats of war against Iran? The atrocities of Abu Ghraib, Guant…namo Bay, Camp Buucca, and others?

And it's not so much anti-Semitism as it is anti-Israelism. Remeber that Israel was *given* a country, by force of UN might. And now is being used as a stepping stone to control in the Middle East.

Seen at that level, if Islam destroyed Israel and then went back into hibernation, it would be a fair trade. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, bu for some, especially at the U.N., it's worth the risk. All they have to lose is Israel.

Suuuuuure.

It is almost impossible to fathom, but, barring that explanation, how does o account for the fact the world is still clamoring for the creation of a Palestinian state?

As a way to say "sorry we stole your country. here's some of it back. Our bad."

In every possible area of measurement, the Palestinians have failed the test for statehood.

. . .

Even blindness can't account for such widespread ignorance of the danger. It goes beyond "blindness," skids right past "ignorance," and stops squarely in front of "delusional."

Wow. That was a scathing review of Palestinians.

Why would the world side with an openly terrorist entity – in the midst of a war on terror – at the expense of the only reliable Western allied democracy in the region, leaving it adrift in a sea of rapacious Islamic dictatorships

Try, for a moment, to substitute some other Western representative democracy instead of Israel into this scenario in your imagination.

Oh, I can easily think of a couple that are also arrogant, expansionist meddlers.

Israel is an ally to every nation fighting the war on Islamic terror. Those same allied nations are advancing a policy of granting statehood to terroris sworn to the destruction of that ally ... never mind. The more I try to explain it, the crazier it sounds. And that's the point.

Israel is just as much a theocratic entity as Palestine. Israel was given as a *Jewish* homeland, and flies a Star of David for a national flag. They are, indeed, fighting *Islam,* and labeling it with the current buzzword of "terrorist."

This is exactly the scenario outlined by the Hebrew prophets as signs of the soon coming of Israel's Messiah.

And now, finally, comes this thread's relevance to Religion, as opposed to political debate.

The prophet Zechariah predicted the whole world would be united against Isra over the Jerusalem Question (Zechariah 12:1-3); the prophet Daniel (Daniel 9:27) predicted an agreement that seemingly settles the Temple Mount Questio and the prophet Ezekiel predicts that, in the end, Israel will still face a massive Islamic invasion reluctantly overseen by Russia and led by Persia (Iran) (Ezekiel 38:5).

Zechariah 12:2 - "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah *and* against Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:27 - "He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Ezekiel 38:5 - "Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets,"

Okay, so you found three that might relate to this time. The funny thing about prophecy is that if stay vague enough, *every* prediction will come true, eventually.

And where is Persia? Where is Cush? Where is Put? I know, you'll tell me that they've changed names and borders since biblical times, but that argument is an example of bibliolatrous suspension of logic.

After all, everything in the Bible is the Word of God, right? Well, then, if God says "Persia, Cush, and Put," then isn't it your *duty* as a follower of the *truth,* to look out for mah'fahn CUSH? Shouldn't you be preparing to put Put in it's place?

And Daniel's prophecy, by the way, was written after the fact, around 165 bce, but "prophesized" events that occured around 600 bce.

Ezekial wasn't referring to now. He was referring to Tyre - which still stands, by the way!

Think about this for a second. Since it is absolutely illogical, and yet it also exactly the situation we find ourselves witnessing, do you really belie it was all just a really good guess?

No. It was history written in a prophetic voice, to point out moralist lessons to Hebrews.

Since when are the books of the prophets in the OT anything more than various *commentaries* on the Torah? Which, by the way, has its own brand of silliness I'd love to discuss some time.

It would be amazing enough if the prophets had forecast a scenario that made sense and it came to pass. But the scenario they predicted defies all natura explanation – and yet is coming to pass as literally as it was forecast.

No it's not. Once again, the armies of Cush ore not beseiging Jerusalem. Jerusalem is safely ensconced in Israel, surrounded by a solid military structure. Tyre still stands.

The fact is the Bible is true, and the setup for the fulfillment of Bible prophecies for the final seven years of Tribulation are almost complete. The is only a short time left to choose where you will spend eternity.

The bible is true? Okay, then, let's go buy some slaves! After all, God himself told us, in his infalliable bible, how to ethically hold, buy, and use slaves... <Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:43;, Exodus 21:1; Leviticus 25:44; Colossians 3:22> God loves slavery! Let's look at some of God's other divine zingers while we're at it..

Have you given all of your wealth away yet? If not, send me an email "musical.moose.studios@gmail.com" and I'll gladly tell you where to deposit it. <Matthew 6:19, 6:24, 19:21-24; Luke 14:33, 9:23-25>

Have you ceased striving for personal success yet? Stop trying to better yourself <Hebrews 13:5, Phillippians 2:3, Acts 2:44-45>

Jesus Christ purchased a pardon on your behalf with His own blood at Calvary Cross. He extends it to you now. All you need do is accept it. Allow Jesus Christ to come into your life and He will transform it forever.

This is false as well, by biblical standards. Acceptance isn't enough. You must also cast aside all worldly possesions, desire for self improvement, and literally follow the Torah. You must be willing to allow slavery, murder, genocide when God commands it of you, but still not kill (unless ordered to).

Not to mention you must suspend all logic and blindly ignore the many blatant contradictions of fundemental movements, especially evangelical Christianity in the west.

The choice is yours.

Relate

Yep. And I choose to follow logic and reason. The Judeo-Christian God is *imaginary.*

Surreality is just an illusion.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: chinaman to Dali's Llama on Sun Oct 07 2007 11:48 am

you not likit Budda ?

You fucking fool, you just quoted a 250 line book for a irrelevent 1 line reply..

go to hell fuckface!

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.

By: chinaman to Dali's Llama on Sun Oct 07 2007 11:48 am

you not likit Budda ?

You fucking fool, you just quoted a 250 line book for a irrelevent 1 line reply..

go to hell fuckface!

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Hey stupid, not no what uyou talk about, I not quote anything you asshole old faggot. you to old, why not retire from life and droppit dead. You shood get cremate casue you not wirth coffin and plot. Not even pet cemetry.
And who you callit fuckface, you one with old rinkle face you old aarp MF. You just nudder MAMBLa memeba hair that all. You nudder asshole like udders hair. Also just to warn you , I savit that enail you send me and threathen to kill me.


tHe ChInAmAn

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: chinaman to Mrproper on Mon Oct 08 2007 06:35 am

Hey stupid, not no what uyou talk about, I not quote anything you asshole o faggot. you to old, why not retire from life and droppit dead. You shood get cremate casue you not wirth coffin and plot. Not even pet cemetry.
And who you callit fuckface, you one with old rinkle face you old aarp MF. Y just nudder MAMBLa memeba hair that all. You nudder asshole like udders hair Also just to warn you , I savit that enail you send me and threathen to kill me.

what makes you think you know my age? Fool!

When did 30 turn into old?

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Mrproper to chinaman on Mon Oct 08 2007 07:36 pm

what makes you think you know my age? Fool!

According to my 4 year old... 30's been old since forever.

Piper Christian
KC8TEZ

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: KC8TEZ to Mrproper on Thu Oct 11 2007 01:06 am

what makes you think you know my age? Fool!

According to my 4 year old... 30's been old since forever.

LOL!

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Mrproper to chinaman on Sun Oct 07 2007 11:37 pm

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: chinaman to Dali's Llama on Sun Oct 07 2007 11:48 am

you not likit Budda ?

You fucking fool, you just quoted a 250 line book for a irrelevent 1 line reply..

You know, I felt good about carrying Dovenet when I was reading the older messages in this sub. However as I get to the more recent and see messages like this in a religious area, where people ONCE had reasonable and
respectful discussions, I have to wonder if the quality of DoveNet has went downhill.

I am sorry to say that if things do not straighten up a bit I will not carry DoveNet.

I can't believe that one sysop in the sysop channel said this is better than FidoNet. If fidonet is worse then God help us all.

Please reflect on how you are talking to one another and what you are
saying... meditate for a moment and ask... is it kind, is it true and is it necessary. If you have to guess on one of those then don't post it.

Oracle

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:35 pm

I can't believe that one sysop in the sysop channel said this is better
than FidoNet. If fidonet is worse then God help us all.

It is. Honest.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:35 pm

respectful discussions, I have to wonder if the quality of DoveNet has went downhill.

Who cares?

Please reflect on how you are talking to one another and what you are saying... meditate for a moment and ask... is it kind, is it true and is it necessary. If you have to guess on one of those then don't post it.

Piss off..



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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Deuce to Oracle on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:08 pm

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:35 pm

I can't believe that one sysop in the sysop channel said this is better than FidoNet. If fidonet is worse then God help us all.

It is. Honest.

Fidonet blows.

Dirty Jack Rackham...A.K.A: Ralph Smole
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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:35 pm

I can't believe that one sysop in the sysop channel said this is better than FidoNet. If fidonet is worse then God help us all.

It is. Honest.

yup!

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Oracle on Sun Nov 11 2007 05:33 am

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Deuce to Oracle on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:08 pm

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:35 pm

I can't believe that one sysop in the sysop channel said this is bette than FidoNet. If fidonet is worse then God help us all.

It is. Honest.

Fidonet blows.

Dirty Jack Rackham...A.K.A: Ralph Smole
www.bullishmcgee.com
www.ralphsmole.com
nimbus.synchro.net

more like Fightonet

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:35 pm

You fucking fool, you just quoted a 250 line book for a irrelevent 1 line reply..

You know, I felt good about carrying Dovenet when I was reading the older messages in this sub. However as I get to the more recent and see messages like this in a religious area, where people ONCE had reasonable and respectful discussions, I have to wonder if the quality of DoveNet has went downhill.

what is wrong with the word fuck.. after all it was invented by christians, when a male or female commited adulty they were put in the stockades for everyone to see.. guess what acronym was written on the stockades for the adulteres?

F.U.C.K

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge

and if someone plays the part of a fool I have the right to call them that.

Words are just words.. God did'nt write a book of "Bad words" that we cannot say.

afaik the only "Bad" speak someone can do is use the lords name in vein like "Goddamn" and the way I typed that is'nt bad either because it is not used against no-one neither am I damning God.

"Curse" words are just words just like any other word unless used to demean a persons charachter which I MEANT to do.

You should be getting on to the person I "Cursed" for using your precious religious debate sub as a medium to start trouble, Not to the person tryiing to run that person out of your holy sub.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:35 pm

Addendum:

I look at words differently that others.. example with your whining an ignorance your acting like a nigger.

I know you just got pissed for me calling you that and I can just about guess you want to reply calling me a racist.

A nigger can be in ANY ethnic group, a nigger is a lazy ignorant person, so you can go on continuing to be a nigger or you can post some relevant topics in dovenet and show us that you are'nt a nigger.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Mrproper to Oracle on Mon Nov 12 2007 12:17 am

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Sat Nov 10 2007 09:35 pm

Addendum:

I look at words differently that others.. example with your whining an ignorance your acting like a nigger.

I know you just got pissed for me calling you that and I can just about gues you want to reply calling me a racist.

A nigger can be in ANY ethnic group, a nigger is a lazy ignorant person, so can go on continuing to be a nigger or you can post some relevant topics in dovenet and show us that you are'nt a nigger.

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so, what do we callthe people from nigeria?


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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Mrproper to Oracle on Mon Nov 12 2007 12:17 am

A nigger can be in ANY ethnic group, a nigger is a lazy ignorant person, so can go on continuing to be a nigger or you can post some relevant topics in dovenet and show us that you are'nt a nigger.

You know, people have been using the excuse that the word "nigger" is defined as a lazy,ignorant person. Answer this: how many times have you heard the word used in reference to a non-black individual?? So spare me your bullshit and just shut the fuck up. Go back to smoking weed until your last brain cell disintegrates.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Corey to Mrproper on Sun Nov 11 2007 10:08 pm

so, what do we callthe people from nigeria?

Nigerians.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Corey on Mon Nov 12 2007 05:36 am

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Corey to Mrproper on Sun Nov 11 2007 10:08 pm

so, what do we callthe people from nigeria?

Nigerians.

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what is wrong with the word ____.. after all it was invented by christians, when a male or female commited adulty they were put in the stockades for everyone to see.. guess what acronym was written on the stockades for the adulteres?

As a former law enforcement academy instructor I can honestly say that you have that -partially- right. But it became an insult and a derogatory word. I am not quoting from the Holy Book of Cuss words... just asking that we at least examine if our postings are actually going to help -end- the proplem or increase it.

and if someone plays the part of a fool I have the right to call them that.

True, but if you are inciting the fool then you are not a part of the solution, you are magnifiying the foolishness.

Words are just words.. God did'nt write a book of "Bad words" that we cannot say.

And then there is the saying words are like weapons, oft cutting deeper than the sharpest sword.

You should be getting on to the person I "Cursed" for using your precious religious debate sub as a medium to start trouble, Not to the person tryiing run that person out of your holy sub.

Tim... I do not disagree with the fallacy of the one liner post... but if we really want it to stop we should not feed the fire. There are other ways to deal with it, like participating in civil discussion (like we are doing here) and not acknowledge the postings of the rude. Either they will start to tow the line or go away. And when they really cross the line there is the "twit filter".

Take care

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I look at words differently that others.. example with your whining an

Then again, the board is Religion... what does this have to do with Religion? It can be said that ignorant people can't keep to topic as well? Not that I'm calling you ignorant... but can we at least return to the root topic.

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You know, people have been using the excuse that the word "n-----" is define as a lazy,ignorant person. Answer this: how many times have you heard the wo used in reference to a non-black individual??

I for one take the proper definition as the most common one. And you are absolutely right.. the most common definition -is- seldom used on a non-black individual. You also have to look at the history of the dictionary... the first definition of the "N" word was written in a time when there was segregation and opression against blacks... the definition was more of a "convienience to the times" than the actual definion.

Ralph, I respect you and your opinions... this is a good debate topic, can we please move it to the debate area and try to get Religion back on Religion?

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To: Mrproper
.,: This is something about Re: Interestingly Enough.,
Mrproper said it to Oracle on Mon Nov 12 2007 12:12 am --ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ-ÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ--ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ

F.U.C.K

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge

and if someone plays the part of a fool I have the right to call them that.

i thought it stood for fornication under concent of the king.

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To: Corey
.,: This is something about Re: Interestingly Enough.,
Corey said it to Mrproper on Sun Nov 11 2007 10:08 pm --ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ-ÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ--ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ

A nigger can be in ANY ethnic group, a nigger is a lazy ignorant person, can go on continuing to be a nigger or you can post some relevant topics dovenet and show us that you are'nt a nigger.

so, what do we callthe people from nigeria?

darkies.

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To: Corey
.,: This is something about Re: Interestingly Enough.,
Corey said it to Ralph Smole on Mon Nov 12 2007 07:29 am --ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ-ÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ---ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ--ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ

so, what do we callthe people from nigeria?

Nigerians.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.

By: Mrproper to Oracle on Mon Nov 12 2007 12:17 am

A nigger can be in ANY ethnic group, a nigger is a lazy ignorant person, so can go on continuing to be a nigger or you can post some relevant topics in dovenet and show us that you are'nt a nigger.

You know, people have been using the excuse that the word "nigger" is defined as a lazy,ignorant person. Answer this: how many times have you heard the word used in reference to a non-black individual?? So spare me your bullshit and just shut the fuck up. Go back to smoking weed until your last brain cell disintegrates.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: The Chinaman to Ralph Smole on Tue Nov 13 2007 01:19 am

wow, he smokit pot to? no wunder so many hare virent nasty peeple!

Shut up Ron.. Go back to your hole.

/yawn

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Ralph Smole on Mon Nov 12 2007 11:15:00

Ralph, I respect you and your opinions... this is a good debate topic, can w please move it to the debate area and try to get Religion back on Religion?

Oracle

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: TheTaz to Oracle on Mon Nov 12 2007 12:03 pm

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Ralph Smole on Mon Nov 12 2007 11:15:00

Ralph, I respect you and your opinions... this is a good debate topic, ca please move it to the debate area and try to get Religion back on Religio

Oracle

God forbid there be ANY debate about religion hahahahahaha...

TheTaz...

or even a mass debate,

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Corey to Mrproper on Sun Nov 11 2007 10:08 pm

so, what do we callthe people from nigeria?

Uh... Nigerians

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Mrproper on Mon Nov 12 2007 05:35 am

You know, people have been using the excuse that the word "nigger" is define as a lazy,ignorant person. Answer this: how many times have you heard the wo used in reference to a non-black individual?? So spare me your bullshit and just shut the fuck up. Go back to smoking weed until your last brain cell disintegrates.

#1, you're an ignorant asshole

#2, I was stressing the poing that when people like micheal richards says the word nigger he has to kiss al sharptons ass to try to get an apology, who made sharpaton the hnic.

#3, I have heard the heard the word nigger used to define someone other the someone of the black race a good bit.

#4, If you get angry hearing the word nigger and you are a white person then you are a racist because you believe nigger means "some black person"


good day smole.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Mon Nov 12 2007 11:10 am

I look at words differently that others.. example with your whining an

Then again, the board is Religion... what does this have to do with Religion It can be said that ignorant people can't keep to topic as well? Not that I calling you ignorant... but can we at least return to the root topic.

I believe the thread was in religion, the chinaman guy started it with that one line post to a 250 line post, I should have moved it to debate but I truthfully did'nt believe it would turn into a debate.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Oracle to Ralph Smole on Mon Nov 12 2007 11:15 am

I for one take the proper definition as the most common one. And you are absolutely right.. the most common definition -is- seldom used on a non-blac individual. You also have to look at the history of the dictionary... the first definition of the "N" word was written in a time when there was segregation and opression against blacks... the definition was more of a "convienience to the times" than the actual definion.

Ralph, I respect you and your opinions... this is a good debate topic, can w please move it to the debate area and try to get Religion back on Religion?

Ok.. I'm getting these messages in DEBATE and RELIGION, Something is screwed up here.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Mrproper to Ralph Smole on Tue Nov 13 2007 11:25 am

good day smole.

Hello twitlist!

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With regards to the social ramifications;

Mrproper wrote to Ralph Smole <=-

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Mrproper on Mon Nov 12 2007 05:35 am

You know, people have been using the excuse that the word "nigger" is define as a lazy,ignorant person. Answer this: how many times have you heard the wo used in reference to a non-black individual?? So spare me your bullshit and just shut the fuck up. Go back to smoking weed until your last brain cell disintegrates.

#1, you're an ignorant asshole

#2, I was stressing the poing that when people like micheal richards
says the word nigger he has to kiss al sharptons ass to try to get an apology, who made sharpaton the hnic.

#3, I have heard the heard the word nigger used to define someone other the someone of the black race a good bit.

#4, If you get angry hearing the word nigger and you are a white person then you are a racist because you believe nigger means "some black
person"

Where is it you find WHITE people upset (as if they had been singled
out) by saying N*gger?



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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 04:43 pm

good day smole.

Hello twitlist!

Since you can't see this anyway.. suck an egg...

it would'nt amaze me if you would'nt try to twitlist Jesus Christ because you don't like what he states in his prophecies.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Finnigann to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 12:39 pm

Where is it you find WHITE people upset (as if they had been singled
out) by saying N*gger?

It's all over the news these days.. and at times I use the word nigger and it pisses people I know off.. just as you just censored the word nigger, WHY are you using that word in a derrogatory nature against anyone? Why must you censor yourself.

Black comedians use the word nigger what gives them the right to do that? because by doing that they are using in in a slanderious nature, They also call whites crackers, who gives them the right to do that.

When Micheal Richards was heckled at when doing his stand up comedy he called the group of people niggers, how did he know that group of people could have been white people, hispanics, arabs or whatever..

But to sum it up, yes I've had a few white folks get pissed at me for using the word nigger, My black friends don't get mad for me using that word because they know I'm not using it in that context. I'm not a racially motivated person, I look at one human being just the same as the next, I will not judge anyone by their religion either, sometimes I might have a good debate with them but I'm not judgmental to them.

Hope that covers my views on the word NIGGER and why it should'nt be censored.

and I still would like to know why all these white movie stars who say nigger are tarred an feathered on the media and then have to go kiss jesse jackson or al sharptons ass for an apology, while at the same time black and hispanic or other ethnic stars can say nigger, spic, cracker, camel jocky, or whatever else without the least little buzz on the media.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.

By: The Chinaman to Ralph Smole on Tue Nov 13 2007 01:19 am

wow, he smokit pot to? no wunder so many hare virent nasty peeple!

Shut up Ron.. Go back to your hole.

/yawn

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Mrproper wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Finnigann to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 12:39 pm

Where is it you find WHITE people upset (as if they had been singled
out) by saying N*gger?

It's all over the news these days.. and at times I use the word nigger
and it pisses people I know off.. just as you just censored the word nigger, WHY are you using that word in a derrogatory nature against anyone? Why must you censor yourself.

Because I personally hate that word. I hate what it means to nearly
everyone else. It's a word that means 'second class'.

You may try to alter it's meaning (as did another poster with the words
'gay' and 'fagot') But they are words that convey hate.

Black comedians use the word nigger what gives them the right to do
that? because by doing that they are using in in a slanderious nature, They also call whites crackers, who gives them the right to do that.

Not all do, and many wont. If they want to, it doesn't change my usage.

Nothing comes to mind as a 'white' slang. Perhaps 'craker'? Doesn't
convey hate to me and is a poor simile...

When Micheal Richards was heckled at when doing his stand up comedy he called the group of people niggers, how did he know that group of
people could have been white people, hispanics, arabs or whatever..

I didn't see/hear that. But does anyone think he meant anyone other
than black people?

But to sum it up, yes I've had a few white folks get pissed at me for using the word nigger, My black friends don't get mad for me using that word because they know I'm not using it in that context. I'm not a racially motivated person, I look at one human being just the same as
the next, I will not judge anyone by their religion either, sometimes I might have a good debate with them but I'm not judgmental to them.

If you really respect your black friends, you'd find another word to
use. I seriously doubt they understand your views as being totally
benign.

The word stings.

Hope that covers my views on the word NIGGER and why it should'nt be censored.

A lot of people try to say, "... but NOT me!" It's not entirely YOUR
perception that is the deciding factor.

What's that old sig block...
I know you think you understand what I said.
But what you don't understand,
what I said, wasn't what I meant.

and I still would like to know why all these white movie stars who say nigger are tarred an feathered on the media and then have to go kiss
jesse jackson or al sharptons ass for an apology, while at the same
time black and hispanic or other ethnic stars can say nigger, spic, cracker, camel jocky, or whatever else without the least little buzz on the media.

You might, someday.

Did you ever see/read the work, 'Black Like Me'?

A journalist takes some medication that causes his skin to darken. In
the movie, he looks black.

He tells of his life afterwards. Things changed for him, just because
of his skin color. Same man. Different reactions. Of course the blacks
that he met treated him differently also. It works two ways. No one is
exempt. It may not be an issue in a homogenous enviroment, but it's
there nontheless, just below the surface.

Perhaps it has survival benefits. Beware of anyone not of our clan.
Different is dangerous. But we don't live in tiny groups any more.
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Mrproper wrote to Finnigann <=-

When Micheal Richards was heckled at when doing his stand up comedy he called the group of people niggers, how did he know that group of
people could have been white people, hispanics, arabs or whatever..

Yes, but we all seen the you-tube of it and I believe Micheal Richards
used it with malice. Don Imus on the other hand was a "shock jock"
hey called the ladies a bunch of nappy headed ho's and was fired.
I don't believe he did it with malice and it was meant for shock value
However, Hallie Berry is going to star in a movie called Nappily ever after
and it does not help matters when they use hollywood blacksploitation

What kills me is that they have put the word on a big sign... put it in coffins and had "symbolic funerals" for it to help the rap stars quit
using it... and it's not working.

If they want it to be a truly offensive word then please stop saying
the word every other breath in their rap songs and etc.

One other request... can we please move this to debate...it's
off topic for religion.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Mrproper to Ralph Smole on Wed Nov 14 2007 12:58 am

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 04:43 pm

good day smole.

Hello twitlist!

Since you can't see this anyway.. suck an egg...

it would'nt amaze me if you would'nt try to twitlist Jesus Christ because yo don't like what he states in his prophecies.

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Re: Reverse Racism
By: Oracle to Mrproper on Wed Nov 14 2007 08:37 am

One other request... can we please move this to debate...it's
off topic for religion.

I have no more to speak of on this topic.. I know it can hurt some people but is just a word to others.. I really don't know how it even ended up in religion I thought we were originally in debate.. but that's it in this subject for me..


I've said my piece and counted to three :)

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Mrproper on Wed Nov 14 2007 04:54 pm

it would'nt amaze me if you would'nt try to twitlist Jesus Christ because don't like what he states in his prophecies.

Nah. I admire Jesus Christ.

That's great..

I thought I was in your twitlist.. how can you read my messages if I'm in your twitlist??

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Mrproper to Ralph Smole on Wed Nov 14 2007 07:52 pm

I thought I was in your twitlist.. how can you read my messages if I'm in yo twitlist??

I counted to ten and decided against it. I was just as much to blame for the outbursts in that particular thread. So, I twitted myself :-)

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Ralph Smole wrote to Mrproper <=-

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Mrproper to Ralph Smole on Wed Nov 14 2007 07:52 pm

I thought I was in your twitlist.. how can you read my messages if I'm in yo twitlist??

I counted to ten and decided against it. I was just as much to blame
for the outbursts in that particular thread. So, I twitted myself :-)

Should you be making such disclosures in an open forum?



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On Nov 15, 2007 09:26am, FINNIGANN wrote to RALPH SMOLE:

Should you be making such disclosures in an open forum?

I commend him for his nobility!
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Hey all,

I do not like that word at all either.. I would have to agree that it conveys a lot of hate, however, I don't believe in censorship either. It is really a good thing that people can say those words. It gives us an opportunity to see how we have grown as a society, and how far we are moving to bridge the gap between black and white cultures. So far, most people really dislike that word, however we do know that some out there still have the tendency to make race a divider between them. Not just whites, but blacks as well. If censorship was in place, how would we know where the problem spots were?? Sometimes it's nice to have the opportunity to be offended every now and again, it gives us a place to focus our efforts to promote change. Besides, when it is all done and over with, the real judge of us all is God and him alone.

Slink

With regards to the social ramifications;

Mrproper wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Finnigann to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 12:39 pm

Where is it you find WHITE people upset (as if they had been singled
out) by saying N*gger?

It's all over the news these days.. and at times I use the word nigger and it pisses people I know off.. just as you just censored the word nigger, WHY are you using that word in a derrogatory nature against anyone? Why must you censor yourself.

Because I personally hate that word. I hate what it means to nearly
everyone else. It's a word that means 'second class'.

You may try to alter it's meaning (as did another poster with the words
'gay' and 'fagot') But they are words that convey hate.

Black comedians use the word nigger what gives them the right to do that? because by doing that they are using in in a slanderious nature, They also call whites crackers, who gives them the right to do that.

Not all do, and many wont. If they want to, it doesn't change my usage.

Nothing comes to mind as a 'white' slang. Perhaps 'craker'? Doesn't
convey hate to me and is a poor simile...

When Micheal Richards was heckled at when doing his stand up comedy he called the group of people niggers, how did he know that group of people could have been white people, hispanics, arabs or whatever..

I didn't see/hear that. But does anyone think he meant anyone other
than black people?

But to sum it up, yes I've had a few white folks get pissed at me for using the word nigger, My black friends don't get mad for me using that word because they know I'm not using it in that context. I'm not a racially motivated person, I look at one human being just the same as the next, I will not judge anyone by their religion either, sometimes I might have a good debate with them but I'm not judgmental to them.

If you really respect your black friends, you'd find another word to
use. I seriously doubt they understand your views as being totally
benign.

The word stings.

Hope that covers my views on the word NIGGER and why it should'nt be censored.

A lot of people try to say, "... but NOT me!" It's not entirely YOUR
perception that is the deciding factor.

What's that old sig block...
I know you think you understand what I said.
But what you don't understand,
what I said, wasn't what I meant.

and I still would like to know why all these white movie stars who say nigger are tarred an feathered on the media and then have to go kiss jesse jackson or al sharptons ass for an apology, while at the same time black and hispanic or other ethnic stars can say nigger, spic, cracker, camel jocky, or whatever else without the least little buzz on the media.

You might, someday.

Did you ever see/read the work, 'Black Like Me'?

A journalist takes some medication that causes his skin to darken. In
the movie, he looks black.

He tells of his life afterwards. Things changed for him, just because
of his skin color. Same man. Different reactions. Of course the blacks
that he met treated him differently also. It works two ways. No one is
exempt. It may not be an issue in a homogenous enviroment, but it's
there nontheless, just below the surface.

Perhaps it has survival benefits. Beware of anyone not of our clan.
Different is dangerous. But we don't live in tiny groups any more.
Attitudes can change. I hope so anyway.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Slink to Finnigann on Mon Jan 28 2008 12:14 am

I am from Ohio, and it happened to me.

A 5th grader here had never heard the N word and had absolutely no idea
of racism or hating different colored folk or other countries.
There was alot of them around like that just here in the neighborhood and city. It's starting to 'clear up' lol was my first impression.

2 generations later or so at least, jeez.

This leads me to believe it's all our parents/family/how we grew up
who might have hammered that shit into our minds. Think back to being a
kid and your parents or grandparents or whoever else has made a cracker
or nger 'joke' or a real hateful statement and reasons why, and they like... elbow you and try to get you to agree or go along with it.
Any family member or close friend. With much less class or tact than
yourself. DONT SAY NO!

In fact think of who I'm talking about. Are they still to this day racist?
With a scowl or frown out of the corner of their eye when thinking or
talking about a different race or type of person they don't like?

"Yea and that's just [relative here] they'll always be like that."

YEP. Cuz they're old and outdated.

They've never used a computer or had a taste of world culture either.
Can you imagine putting them on ventrilo with your clan or group or
something to mic chat with everyone around the world? It would open their
eyes really quick, I've done that to people. They start to grasp they are
no longer the center of the world and nobody fuckin' cares about their nasty bigoted opinions. Shut the fuck up and cover me while I spray my machinegun over this crate. Shut the fuck up and meet me in [MMO town here] and send a trade. STFU and [work with us not against us it's in YOUR BENEFIT] if you wanna keep on here with us.

THAT SHIT CURES RACISM MAN if you do it right.
Make them feel part of something better than their miserable, lonely self
and they'd rather be part of it almost become addicted to it.

I gotta try that with Ralph Smole and see how it goes.

Remember watching old Star Trek: Next Generations?

That's total inspiration for world peace, they really made it look like it
all could work after removing alot of the strife from our society like
hunger money addictive drugs and whatever other magic wand they waved.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: The Immortal to Slink on Mon Jan 28 2008 07:19 am

I am from Ohio

Sorry to hear that.



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Hey all,

I do not like that word at all either.. I would have to agree that it conveys a lot of hate, however, I don't believe in censorship either.

Nothing but hate. I think I was talking about internal control.
Censorship is me telling you what you can/cannot say.

It is really a good thing that people can say those words. It gives us
an opportunity to see how we have grown as a society, and how far we

There are far better ways to make that measurement.

are moving to bridge the gap between black and white cultures. So far, most people really dislike that word, however we do know that some out there still have the tendency to make race a divider between them. Not just whites, but blacks as well. If censorship was in place, how would
we know where the problem spots were?? Sometimes it's nice to have the opportunity to be offended every now and again, it gives us a place to focus our efforts to promote change. Besides, when it is all done and
over with, the real judge of us all is God and him alone.

Saddly, censorship does not stop people, it only makes it a crime. Self
control is the only real answer. When people stop feeling the hate,
then those words will fade away.

AND when it's all said and done, it will be all siad and done. There
isn't any magical being gonna pin a badge on anyone.


If you choose to be a good person, it is far better you do it for the
right reasons. If you think you will get into heaven by not calling me
a nigger, then you'd better be calling me a nigger. Cause there ain't
no such a ting as heaven. It is far better you realise the hurt you
cause (and many times more than just hurt) with words like nigger. Your
not earning a seat on the heaven express.

And lastly, TOP POSTING is really bad form. That right there will knock
you off the Heaven Express.

Slink

With regards to the social ramifications;

Mrproper wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Finnigann to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 12:39 pm

Where is it you find WHITE people upset (as if they had been singled
out) by saying N*gger?

It's all over the news these days.. and at times I use the word nigger and it pisses people I know off.. just as you just censored the word nigger, WHY are you using that word in a derrogatory nature against anyone? Why must you censor yourself.

Because I personally hate that word. I hate what it means to nearly
everyone else. It's a word that means 'second class'.

You may try to alter it's meaning (as did another poster with the words
'gay' and 'fagot') But they are words that convey hate.

Black comedians use the word nigger what gives them the right to do that? because by doing that they are using in in a slanderious nature, They also call whites crackers, who gives them the right to do that.

Not all do, and many wont. If they want to, it doesn't change my usage.

Nothing comes to mind as a 'white' slang. Perhaps 'craker'? Doesn't
convey hate to me and is a poor simile...

When Micheal Richards was heckled at when doing his stand up comedy he called the group of people niggers, how did he know that group of people could have been white people, hispanics, arabs or whatever..

I didn't see/hear that. But does anyone think he meant anyone other
than black people?

But to sum it up, yes I've had a few white folks get pissed at me for using the word nigger, My black friends don't get mad for me using that word because they know I'm not using it in that context. I'm not a racially motivated person, I look at one human being just the same as the next, I will not judge anyone by their religion either, sometimes I might have a good debate with them but I'm not judgmental to them.

If you really respect your black friends, you'd find another word to
use. I seriously doubt they understand your views as being totally
benign.

The word stings.

Hope that covers my views on the word NIGGER and why it should'nt be censored.

A lot of people try to say, "... but NOT me!" It's not entirely YOUR
perception that is the deciding factor.

What's that old sig block...
I know you think you understand what I said.
But what you don't understand,
what I said, wasn't what I meant.

and I still would like to know why all these white movie stars who say nigger are tarred an feathered on the media and then have to go kiss jesse jackson or al sharptons ass for an apology, while at the same time black and hispanic or other ethnic stars can say nigger, spic, cracker, camel jocky, or whatever else without the least little buzz on the media.

You might, someday.

Did you ever see/read the work, 'Black Like Me'?

A journalist takes some medication that causes his skin to darken. In
the movie, he looks black.

He tells of his life afterwards. Things changed for him, just because
of his skin color. Same man. Different reactions. Of course the blacks
that he met treated him differently also. It works two ways. No one is
exempt. It may not be an issue in a homogenous enviroment, but it's
there nontheless, just below the surface.

Perhaps it has survival benefits. Beware of anyone not of our clan.
Different is dangerous. But we don't live in tiny groups any more.
Attitudes can change. I hope so anyway.

When you make the finding yourself - even if
you're the last person on Earth to see the
light - you'll never forget it. -- Carl Sagan


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How are things there??

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Slink to Finnigann on Mon Jan 28 2008 12:14 am

I am from Ohio, and it happened to me.

A 5th grader here had never heard the N word and had absolutely no idea
of racism or hating different colored folk or other countries.
There was alot of them around like that just here in the neighborhood and city. It's starting to 'clear up' lol was my first impression.

2 generations later or so at least, jeez.

This leads me to believe it's all our parents/family/how we grew up
who might have hammered that shit into our minds. Think back to being a
kid and your parents or grandparents or whoever else has made a cracker
or nger 'joke' or a real hateful statement and reasons why, and they like... elbow you and try to get you to agree or go along with it.
Any family member or close friend. With much less class or tact than yourself. DONT SAY NO!

In fact think of who I'm talking about. Are they still to this day racist? With a scowl or frown out of the corner of their eye when thinking or talking about a different race or type of person they don't like?

"Yea and that's just [relative here] they'll always be like that."

YEP. Cuz they're old and outdated.

They've never used a computer or had a taste of world culture either.
Can you imagine putting them on ventrilo with your clan or group or something to mic chat with everyone around the world? It would open their eyes really quick, I've done that to people. They start to grasp they are no longer the center of the world and nobody fuckin' cares about their nasty bigoted opinions. Shut the fuck up and cover me while I spray my machinegun over this crate. Shut the fuck up and meet me in [MMO town here] and send a trade. STFU and [work with us not against us it's in YOUR BENEFIT] if you wanna keep on here with us.

THAT SHIT CURES RACISM MAN if you do it right.
Make them feel part of something better than their miserable, lonely self and they'd rather be part of it almost become addicted to it.

I gotta try that with Ralph Smole and see how it goes.

Remember watching old Star Trek: Next Generations?

That's total inspiration for world peace, they really made it look like it all could work after removing alot of the strife from our society like hunger money addictive drugs and whatever other magic wand they waved.

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I'm not sure what top posting is, but if it gets me kicked off heaven express or whatever, I suppose i'm not missing very much.. Not sure why you seem so angry in this post, but you don't seem very much like a nice person at all. I hope the best for you and yours..

Thanks!
Slink.

//- With quill in hand, Finnigann
sends off a short note to Slink,
about Re: Interestingly Enough. -\\

Hey all,

I do not like that word at all either.. I would have to agree that it conveys a lot of hate, however, I don't believe in censorship either.

Nothing but hate. I think I was talking about internal control.
Censorship is me telling you what you can/cannot say.

It is really a good thing that people can say those words. It gives us an opportunity to see how we have grown as a society, and how far we

There are far better ways to make that measurement.

are moving to bridge the gap between black and white cultures. So far, most people really dislike that word, however we do know that some out there still have the tendency to make race a divider between them. Not just whites, but blacks as well. If censorship was in place, how would we know where the problem spots were?? Sometimes it's nice to have the opportunity to be offended every now and again, it gives us a place to focus our efforts to promote change. Besides, when it is all done and over with, the real judge of us all is God and him alone.

Saddly, censorship does not stop people, it only makes it a crime. Self
control is the only real answer. When people stop feeling the hate,
then those words will fade away.

AND when it's all said and done, it will be all siad and done. There
isn't any magical being gonna pin a badge on anyone.

If you choose to be a good person, it is far better you do it for the
right reasons. If you think you will get into heaven by not calling me
a nigger, then you'd better be calling me a nigger. Cause there ain't
no such a ting as heaven. It is far better you realise the hurt you
cause (and many times more than just hurt) with words like nigger. Your
not earning a seat on the heaven express.

And lastly, TOP POSTING is really bad form. That right there will knock
you off the Heaven Express.

Slink

With regards to the social ramifications;

Mrproper wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Finnigann to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 12:39 pm

Where is it you find WHITE people upset (as if they had been singled
out) by saying N*gger?

It's all over the news these days.. and at times I use the word

nigger

and it pisses people I know off.. just as you just censored the word nigger, WHY are you using that word in a derrogatory nature against anyone? Why must you censor yourself.

Because I personally hate that word. I hate what it means to nearly
everyone else. It's a word that means 'second class'.

You may try to alter it's meaning (as did another poster with the words
'gay' and 'fagot') But they are words that convey hate.

Black comedians use the word nigger what gives them the right to do that? because by doing that they are using in in a slanderious

nature,

They also call whites crackers, who gives them the right to do that.

Not all do, and many wont. If they want to, it doesn't change my usage.

Nothing comes to mind as a 'white' slang. Perhaps 'craker'? Doesn't
convey hate to me and is a poor simile...

When Micheal Richards was heckled at when doing his stand up comedy

he

called the group of people niggers, how did he know that group of people could have been white people, hispanics, arabs or whatever..

I didn't see/hear that. But does anyone think he meant anyone other
than black people?

But to sum it up, yes I've had a few white folks get pissed at me

for

using the word nigger, My black friends don't get mad for me using

that

word because they know I'm not using it in that context. I'm not a racially motivated person, I look at one human being just the same

as

the next, I will not judge anyone by their religion either,

sometimes

I

might have a good debate with them but I'm not judgmental to them.

If you really respect your black friends, you'd find another word to
use. I seriously doubt they understand your views as being totally
benign.

The word stings.

Hope that covers my views on the word NIGGER and why it should'nt be censored.

A lot of people try to say, "... but NOT me!" It's not entirely YOUR
perception that is the deciding factor.

What's that old sig block...
I know you think you understand what I said.
But what you don't understand,
what I said, wasn't what I meant.

and I still would like to know why all these white movie stars who

say

nigger are tarred an feathered on the media and then have to go kiss jesse jackson or al sharptons ass for an apology, while at the same time black and hispanic or other ethnic stars can say nigger, spic, cracker, camel jocky, or whatever else without the least little buzz

on

the media.

You might, someday.

Did you ever see/read the work, 'Black Like Me'?

A journalist takes some medication that causes his skin to darken. In
the movie, he looks black.

He tells of his life afterwards. Things changed for him, just because
of his skin color. Same man. Different reactions. Of course the blacks
that he met treated him differently also. It works two ways. No one is
exempt. It may not be an issue in a homogenous enviroment, but it's
there nontheless, just below the surface.

Perhaps it has survival benefits. Beware of anyone not of our clan.
Different is dangerous. But we don't live in tiny groups any more.
Attitudes can change. I hope so anyway.

When you make the finding yourself - even if
you're the last person on Earth to see the
light - you'll never forget it. -- Carl Sagan

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Slink to Finnigann on Tue Jan 29 2008 14:02:00

I'm not sure what top posting is, but if it gets me kicked off heaven expres or whatever, I suppose i'm not missing very much.. Not sure why you seem so angry in this post, but you don't seem very much like a nice person at all. hope the best for you and yours..

Thanks!
Slink.

//- With quill in hand, Finnigann
sends off a short note to Slink,
about Re: Interestingly Enough. -\\

Hey all,

I do not like that word at all either.. I would have to agree that conveys a lot of hate, however, I don't believe in censorship either

'Top-posting' is when you post your reply *above* the quoted text instead
of *below* (which is called, believe it or not, 'Bottom-posting'.

On DOVE-Net, we bottom-post.

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sends off a short note to Slink,
about Re: Interestingly Enough. -\\

I'm not sure what top posting is, but if it gets me kicked off heaven express or whatever, I suppose i'm not missing very much.. Not sure why you seem so angry in this post, but you don't seem very much like a
nice person at all. I hope the best for you and yours..

Top posting (Thanks for yet another example) is posting your reply
ABOVE the message you are posting to. But what *I* think you are
unsure of is why it's important. (TOP POSTING is after all fairly self
explanitory) But looking back... your reply doesn't make as much sense
as if it had been placed after the parts you are replying to.

Infact it reads backasswards. Answers comming along on the page before
the questions.

And as far as my anger goes... It's all in the text below.

BTW, along with TOP POSTING not editing out such things like taglines, signature blocks and parts of the message NOT related to your reply is
also rude.

I know you don't want to be rude. OR even thought of as being rude, so
you will work at posting as outlined (It's not just me saying this, it's
really a better way to handle threaded messages) and delete or otherwise
edit out unwanted parts. That way we get a short, to the point exchange
of ideas.

Thanks!
Slink.

//- With quill in hand, Finnigann
sends off a short note to Slink,
about Re: Interestingly Enough. -\\

Hey all,

I do not like that word at all either.. I would have to agree that it conveys a lot of hate, however, I don't believe in censorship either.

Nothing but hate. I think I was talking about internal control.
Censorship is me telling you what you can/cannot say.

It is really a good thing that people can say those words. It gives us an opportunity to see how we have grown as a society, and how far we

There are far better ways to make that measurement.

are moving to bridge the gap between black and white cultures. So far, most people really dislike that word, however we do know that some out there still have the tendency to make race a divider between them. Not just whites, but blacks as well. If censorship was in place, how would we know where the problem spots were?? Sometimes it's nice to have the opportunity to be offended every now and again, it gives us a place to focus our efforts to promote change. Besides, when it is all done and over with, the real judge of us all is God and him alone.

Saddly, censorship does not stop people, it only makes it a crime. Self
control is the only real answer. When people stop feeling the hate,
then those words will fade away.

AND when it's all said and done, it will be all siad and done. There
isn't any magical being gonna pin a badge on anyone.

If you choose to be a good person, it is far better you do it for the
right reasons. If you think you will get into heaven by not calling me
a nigger, then you'd better be calling me a nigger. Cause there ain't
no such a ting as heaven. It is far better you realise the hurt you
cause (and many times more than just hurt) with words like nigger. Your
not earning a seat on the heaven express.

And lastly, TOP POSTING is really bad form. That right there will knock
you off the Heaven Express.

Slink

With regards to the social ramifications;

Mrproper wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Finnigann to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 12:39 pm

Where is it you find WHITE people upset (as if they had been singled
out) by saying N*gger?

It's all over the news these days.. and at times I use the word

nigger

and it pisses people I know off.. just as you just censored the word nigger, WHY are you using that word in a derrogatory nature against anyone? Why must you censor yourself.

Because I personally hate that word. I hate what it means to nearly
everyone else. It's a word that means 'second class'.

You may try to alter it's meaning (as did another poster with the words
'gay' and 'fagot') But they are words that convey hate.

Black comedians use the word nigger what gives them the right to do that? because by doing that they are using in in a slanderious

nature,

They also call whites crackers, who gives them the right to do that.

Not all do, and many wont. If they want to, it doesn't change my usage.

Nothing comes to mind as a 'white' slang. Perhaps 'craker'? Doesn't
convey hate to me and is a poor simile...

When Micheal Richards was heckled at when doing his stand up comedy

he

called the group of people niggers, how did he know that group of people could have been white people, hispanics, arabs or whatever..

I didn't see/hear that. But does anyone think he meant anyone other
than black people?

But to sum it up, yes I've had a few white folks get pissed at me

for

using the word nigger, My black friends don't get mad for me using

that

word because they know I'm not using it in that context. I'm not a racially motivated person, I look at one human being just the same

as

the next, I will not judge anyone by their religion either,

sometimes

I

might have a good debate with them but I'm not judgmental to them.

If you really respect your black friends, you'd find another word to
use. I seriously doubt they understand your views as being totally
benign.

The word stings.

Hope that covers my views on the word NIGGER and why it should'nt be censored.

A lot of people try to say, "... but NOT me!" It's not entirely YOUR
perception that is the deciding factor.

What's that old sig block...
I know you think you understand what I said.
But what you don't understand,
what I said, wasn't what I meant.

and I still would like to know why all these white movie stars who

say

nigger are tarred an feathered on the media and then have to go kiss jesse jackson or al sharptons ass for an apology, while at the same time black and hispanic or other ethnic stars can say nigger, spic, cracker, camel jocky, or whatever else without the least little buzz

on

the media.

You might, someday.

Did you ever see/read the work, 'Black Like Me'?

A journalist takes some medication that causes his skin to darken. In
the movie, he looks black.

He tells of his life afterwards. Things changed for him, just because
of his skin color. Same man. Different reactions. Of course the blacks
that he met treated him differently also. It works two ways. No one is
exempt. It may not be an issue in a homogenous enviroment, but it's
there nontheless, just below the surface.

Perhaps it has survival benefits. Beware of anyone not of our clan.
Different is dangerous. But we don't live in tiny groups any more.
Attitudes can change. I hope so anyway.

When you make the finding yourself - even if
you're the last person on Earth to see the
light - you'll never forget it. -- Carl Sagan

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Angus McLeod to Slink on Tue Jan 29 2008 11:42 pm

On DOVE-Net, we bottom-post.

As opposed to Fido, where they bottom-feed.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Angus McLeod on Wed Jan 30 2008 06:31:00

On DOVE-Net, we bottom-post.

As opposed to Fido, where they bottom-feed.

Good one, Ralph!

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Angus McLeod to Ralph Smole on Wed Jan 30 2008 02:34 pm

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Angus McLeod on Wed Jan 30 2008 06:31:00

On DOVE-Net, we bottom-post.

As opposed to Fido, where they bottom-feed.

Good one, Ralph!

Thanks,Angus :-)

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to Angus McLeod on Wed Jan 30 2008 12:38 pm

Good one, Ralph!

Thanks,Angus :-)

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Slink to Finnigann on Tue Jan 29 2008 14:02:00

I'm not sure what top posting is, but if it gets me kicked off heaven

expres

or whatever, I suppose i'm not missing very much.. Not sure why you seem

so

angry in this post, but you don't seem very much like a nice person at

all.

hope the best for you and yours..

Thanks!
Slink.

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about Re: Interestingly Enough. -\\

Hey all,

I do not like that word at all either.. I would have to agree

that

conveys a lot of hate, however, I don't believe in censorship

either

'Top-posting' is when you post your reply *above* the quoted text instead of *below* (which is called, believe it or not, 'Bottom-posting'.

On DOVE-Net, we bottom-post.

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Well,
Top post as I will, you all have encouraged me not to have this network on the system. I can't believe how goofy and childish all of this is.. I think i'll just settle for a nice PHP based message board linked to other message boards.. Normal people post messages there.. Seems that some here have way to much time, and way to much ego for me to handle.. heh.. well anyway, good luck to you all.. Maybe you will all find a way to get past "top posting" "bottom posting"... and the never ending competition of "No, I'm right.. not you". I've spent some time looking at the messages posted here in dove-net, and have found that you guys have pretty much scared off the "normal" population of chatters you once had. There are those few here that seem normal enough that still post.. but sheesh.. Flash backs of running bbs's as a pre-teen have struck.. And I do believe a lot of you have aged on the outside.. and well.. I'll let imaginations run with that one.. have a great night everybody.. I pray for you
all.. and god help dove-net..

Slink

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I'm not sure what top posting is, but if it gets me kicked off heaven express or whatever, I suppose i'm not missing very much.. Not sure why you seem so angry in this post, but you don't seem very much like a nice person at all. I hope the best for you and yours..

Top posting (Thanks for yet another example) is posting your reply
ABOVE the message you are posting to. But what *I* think you are
unsure of is why it's important. (TOP POSTING is after all fairly self
explanitory) But looking back... your reply doesn't make as much sense
as if it had been placed after the parts you are replying to.

Infact it reads backasswards. Answers comming along on the page before
the questions.

And as far as my anger goes... It's all in the text below.

BTW, along with TOP POSTING not editing out such things like taglines, signature blocks and parts of the message NOT related to your reply is
also rude.

I know you don't want to be rude. OR even thought of as being rude, so
you will work at posting as outlined (It's not just me saying this, it's really a better way to handle threaded messages) and delete or otherwise edit out unwanted parts. That way we get a short, to the point exchange
of ideas.

Thanks!
Slink.

//- With quill in hand, Finnigann
sends off a short note to Slink,
about Re: Interestingly Enough. -\\

Hey all,

I do not like that word at all either.. I would have to agree that

it

conveys a lot of hate, however, I don't believe in censorship

either.

Nothing but hate. I think I was talking about internal control.
Censorship is me telling you what you can/cannot say.

It is really a good thing that people can say those words. It gives

us

an opportunity to see how we have grown as a society, and how far we

There are far better ways to make that measurement.

are moving to bridge the gap between black and white cultures. So

far,

most people really dislike that word, however we do know that some

out

there still have the tendency to make race a divider between them.

Not

just whites, but blacks as well. If censorship was in place, how

would

we know where the problem spots were?? Sometimes it's nice to have

the

opportunity to be offended every now and again, it gives us a place

to

focus our efforts to promote change. Besides, when it is all done

and

over with, the real judge of us all is God and him alone.

Saddly, censorship does not stop people, it only makes it a crime. Self
control is the only real answer. When people stop feeling the hate,
then those words will fade away.

AND when it's all said and done, it will be all siad and done. There
isn't any magical being gonna pin a badge on anyone.

If you choose to be a good person, it is far better you do it for the
right reasons. If you think you will get into heaven by not calling me
a nigger, then you'd better be calling me a nigger. Cause there ain't
no such a ting as heaven. It is far better you realise the hurt you
cause (and many times more than just hurt) with words like nigger. Your
not earning a seat on the heaven express.

And lastly, TOP POSTING is really bad form. That right there will knock
you off the Heaven Express.

Slink

With regards to the social ramifications;

Mrproper wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Finnigann to Mrproper on Tue Nov 13 2007 12:39 pm

Where is it you find WHITE people upset (as if they had been

singled

out) by saying N*gger?

It's all over the news these days.. and at times I use the word

nigger

and it pisses people I know off.. just as you just censored the

word

nigger, WHY are you using that word in a derrogatory nature

against

anyone? Why must you censor yourself.

Because I personally hate that word. I hate what it means to nearly
everyone else. It's a word that means 'second class'.

You may try to alter it's meaning (as did another poster with the

words

'gay' and 'fagot') But they are words that convey hate.

Black comedians use the word nigger what gives them the right to

do

that? because by doing that they are using in in a slanderious

nature,

They also call whites crackers, who gives them the right to do

that.

Not all do, and many wont. If they want to, it doesn't change my

usage.

Nothing comes to mind as a 'white' slang. Perhaps 'craker'? Doesn't
convey hate to me and is a poor simile...

When Micheal Richards was heckled at when doing his stand up

comedy

he

called the group of people niggers, how did he know that group of people could have been white people, hispanics, arabs or

whatever..

I didn't see/hear that. But does anyone think he meant anyone other
than black people?

But to sum it up, yes I've had a few white folks get pissed at me

for

using the word nigger, My black friends don't get mad for me

using

that

word because they know I'm not using it in that context. I'm not

a

racially motivated person, I look at one human being just the

same

as

the next, I will not judge anyone by their religion either,

sometimes

I

might have a good debate with them but I'm not judgmental to

them.

If you really respect your black friends, you'd find another word to
use. I seriously doubt they understand your views as being totally
benign.

The word stings.

Hope that covers my views on the word NIGGER and why it should'nt

be

censored.

A lot of people try to say, "... but NOT me!" It's not entirely YOUR
perception that is the deciding factor.

What's that old sig block...
I know you think you understand what I said.
But what you don't understand,
what I said, wasn't what I meant.

and I still would like to know why all these white movie stars

who

say

nigger are tarred an feathered on the media and then have to go

kiss

jesse jackson or al sharptons ass for an apology, while at the

same

time black and hispanic or other ethnic stars can say nigger,

spic,

cracker, camel jocky, or whatever else without the least little

buzz

on

the media.

You might, someday.

Did you ever see/read the work, 'Black Like Me'?

A journalist takes some medication that causes his skin to darken. In
the movie, he looks black.

He tells of his life afterwards. Things changed for him, just because
of his skin color. Same man. Different reactions. Of course the

blacks

that he met treated him differently also. It works two ways. No one

is

exempt. It may not be an issue in a homogenous enviroment, but it's
there nontheless, just below the surface.

Perhaps it has survival benefits. Beware of anyone not of our clan.
Different is dangerous. But we don't live in tiny groups any more.
Attitudes can change. I hope so anyway.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Slink to Angus McLeod on Wed Jan 30 2008 22:30:00

'Top-posting' is when you post your reply *above* the quoted text instead of *below* (which is called, believe it or not, 'Bottom-posting'.

On DOVE-Net, we bottom-post.

Ahhhh.... I see.. seems like a silly rule...

It isn't a rule, it is a concention, which all follow for the sake of consistency.

As for whether bottom-posting is silly or not, it depends on the way posts
get read.

Take the case of a personal e-mail. I send you an e-mail, and when you
reply, you can reasonably expect that I will remember substantially the contents of the post I sent you a day or so go. So I can get right to
your reply. In this instance, top-posting is more common.

When I post on a BBS sub-board, things are different. First, I could be posting several messages simultaneously, possibly even several to *you* on separate matters, as dictated by ongoing threads. When I get your reply,
it helps if, as I read it, I can get a brief quote from my original (not
all 300 lines!) so I can 'place' the message in the flux of ongoing
threads that I am involved with at the time. So, reading from top to
bottom, and wanting to avoid a flip/flop technique of paging back and
forth, it helps if I encounter/read the brief quote first, with the
response following. (Your reply comes nearly a month after my post, so
without first seeing my post quoted, I wouldn't have known what your
simple "Ahhhh.... I see.. seems like a silly rule..." message was all
about. Had you top-posted, I'd have read your message, then realising it
made no sense, had to page forward to read the quote at the bottom to get
some context, then page back up to re-read your post again. By bottom- posting, you made your message easier to read/understand.)

Also, you and I are not the only persons taking part. While your message
may be *nominally* to me, everyone else auditing the sub may be reading it too. And people may join the sub a year from now, and read it then.
Since everyone can't be expected to remember exactly what everyone *else*
is talking about in every thread (especially if they have only just joined
the sub), the need to scan down through a few levels of brief, 'heads up' quotations before reading the meat of the message increases.

For these reasons, BBS networks (certainly all those *I* have ever read) prefer to employ bottom-posting.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Angus McLeod to Slink on Mon Feb 18 2008 09:14 am

For these reasons, BBS networks (certainly all those *I* have ever read) prefer to employ bottom-posting.

Dude when I put a 90 page post it at least contains a point or rightfully annoys the intended target.

Can you shut your nerd fuckin' ass up about this bottom and top posting, and the history of FidoNET and the ascii table for our keyboards as a whole?

NOBODY UNDER 50 CARES AT THIS POINT IN TIME NOT EVEN BBS TEXT SYSOPS THANK
YOU GOODBYE their autoreply quote puts their typing at the top and BBS's put
it at the bottom however FEDIT FULL SCREEN EDITOR FOR WINDOWS DONT
ok NOW WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE let's wack off together

and put the jizz in a little cup and tape it to your plane to cropdust the crowd with

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Dude when I put a 90 page post it at least contains a point or rightfully annoys the intended target.

You are increasingly annoying me... If all you can do is insult people
who didn't do anything to you in the first place, why not just go
away??

I just don't get this anymore. If all you have to do is be a constant
ass, can't you do it in the privacy of your own home? You rarely offer
anything to help anyone out, as well as NEVER being nice to anyone.

People like YOU are the reason this network is going downhill (more
like off a cliff)...

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Death to The Immortal on Mon Feb 18 2008 03:30 pm

You are increasingly annoying me... If all you can do is insult people
who didn't do anything to you in the first place, why not just go
away??

SHUT the FUCK UP Terry OH MY GOD :O

I said one fuckin' thing to him! About time you notice, anyway.

It wasn't even a big rant it was just my 19th poke at Angus after he's long "filtered" me. You just think I'm too dumb to realize that part. I was hoping you knew he went off cussing and flaming like everyone else did, and went so far as to "code" about me lol.

I don't care about your interjection at this point to let me know how immature I am being. I get a little kick out of it and it's harmless enough.
It was, at least.

That's what I got for being curious, and bother to ask HEY what the hell is wrong with guys here cussing people out. I butt heads with each and every one of you, neither of us had to, and everyone exhausts enough to say fuckit and hug and drop it. Well OK!!! FINE!

I knew it would happen, like I said you guys are the 6th incarnation of the matrix or whatever lol. Don't let it build up and happen the same way again.

Was it you who said "bring it on" over and over, and that it's all just a
game, and another post saying how we'd get along in a parallel universe?

Keyword here is CONTRADICTION say it with me CONTRUH .. DICK..T.. SHUN lol

I just don't get this anymore. If all you have to do is be a constant
ass, can't you do it in the privacy of your own home? You rarely offer anything to help anyone out, as well as NEVER being nice to anyone.

I am not a constant ass hole god damn it. You need to talk to Ralph, sorry but he's also great material. I didn't get to finish my sentence almost one day.

"HI I run Ketteri---"FUCK YOU *chik-chik shotgun* HACKER WANNABEE I'LL FUGGIN' HANG YOU LIKE THE REST OF 'EM"

And a feud ensued. I was supposed to "shut up" and be the bitch of a guy TRYING to run a part time stock as fuck 4 node bbs over a 56k modem, with 33.6k serving power, nearly half of which is already eaten away by the
fucking tcp/ip layer stack that AOL has modified during installation?!

So there's an insult combined with a little useful information. A TIP lol.

Sometimes, I have questions to help further my own BBS'age, met with 22
cruel replies, and then the one I need to hear. What a gauntlet every time. That's how I phrase my complaint about you bitches, me being one of them.

SO. You guys can give a new guy a hard time, but I can't explain how it's too late I already know everything like you, and woops I have a SYNCHRONET related question or 2.

Quit having double standards. I don't need to talk to any of you, and as a sysop I'm not really supposed to be posting anyway. ("then dont! blah etc")

People are meaner than fuck, compounded by the fact that I talk a little bit DIFFERENTLY than you. Sue me. Keep calling me "fake", too.

I don't god damned well think I'll put up with that, have any of that, or
have my merit constantly questioned and my spirit constantly crushed.

By a guy in a log cabin on dialup, Art Bell's stunt double, the emo-quitter King of glam with the judas priest T shirt and blonde afro, the fuggin' Rocketeer over there playin Blue Angels with his models, and now you Terry, how the fuck do I know you're not gonna spit on my ribs the next time I go to Tumbleweed with my girl.

I've been here maybe 3 weeks, and embedded in every "long winded rant" is gobs and begs and heaping extended hands of help and suggestions for others, some managing to be semi intelligent. I try to hang onto my DoveNET feed by a thread, by also posting or sharing knowledge or actual content once in awhile.

Thanks for fuckin' noticing PAL. Real nice.

Just point out all my faults by your standards, and think that's all I'm
about. It gives you all someone new to gnaw on and expressively discuss!
You're umm... welcome! Yea!

People like YOU are the reason this network is going downhill (more
like off a cliff)...

I'm the reason everyone's currently on their happy jesus kissy makeup kick. I'm the reason what's his face turned tail and withdrew for his 8th time from Dove-net. I'm the reason people are constructing entire message networks.

Amazing, the credit I DON'T give it all.

Oh there's more, I just like how I can finally spend what I've been saving, and call BULL SHIT BACK TO YA!

Besides, you're all a regular riot.

This is me vs. Dovenet

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ojmxYR_6GNk

See, I HAVE A BOOMBOX TOO!
I even come back in with a bloody lip lol sweet

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: The Immortal to Death on Mon Feb 18 2008 09:44 pm

You are increasingly annoying me... If all you can do is insult people who didn't do anything to you in the first place, why not just go
away??

SHUT the FUCK UP Terry OH MY GOD :O

I said one fuckin' thing to him! About time you notice, anyway.

It wasn't even a big rant it was just my 19th poke at Angus after he's long "filtered" me. You just think I'm too dumb to realize that part. I was

---SNIP---

Typical 200 line BS post about nothing.


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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: W8ZZU to The Immortal on Mon Feb 18 2008 11:14 pm




8===D - - .

8==m=D - . <-- that one the dude's grabbin' it.

beep beep dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot

fuck your ENTIRE FAMILY lol

lets kiss and make up and be fuckin' fags together

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Typical 200 line BS post about nothing.

Typical 2 second attention span that didn't make it through the post.
You fuckin ball fondling shit regurgitating no firewall havin' foil hat
wearin' Dovenet lurkin' ... I donno. Ground control to Major Tom is all I'm sayin lol

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: The Immortal to W8ZZU on Tue Feb 19 2008 12:46 am

fuck your ENTIRE FAMILY lol

You don't want to start that shit.. trust me.


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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: W8ZZU to The Immortal on Tue Feb 19 2008 05:42 pm

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: The Immortal to W8ZZU on Tue Feb 19 2008 12:46 am

fuck your ENTIRE FAMILY lol

You don't want to start that shit.. trust me.

Jason - W8ZZU
Total Logged Contacts = 1742
Last Contact: KI4JEK on 40 SSB. Location: VA. 1/27/08 at 21:30 UTC

Been a long time, but must update the twitlist.

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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: W8ZZU to The Immortal on Tue Feb 19 2008 05:42 pm

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: The Immortal to W8ZZU on Tue Feb 19 2008 12:46 am

fuck your ENTIRE FAMILY lol

You don't want to start that shit.. trust me.

k sry





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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Ralph Smole to W8ZZU on Tue Feb 19 2008 05:41 pm

Been a long time, but must update the twitlist.

Ralph Smole -- www.ralphsmole.com and www.bullishmcgee.com

motherfucker I don't know which theme song to play in order to cheer u on.
So far it's either Rocky or flight of the valkyrie

you suck
learn to edit text how the hell do you even turn on your PC sometimes jeez













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SHUT the FUCK UP Terry OH MY GOD :O

That's something you'll never make happen... And I am just trying to
chill out here for the sake of others... I am NOT that much different
than you, as far as cussing goes... I am trying to do it as much as I
did. But since it is apparently accepted, fuck it, and fuck you...

Terry


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You don't want to start that shit.. trust me.

He thinks everything is funny.... He'll wind up with someone leaving
him bleeding somewhere in a ditch if he talks to people like that in
real life...

Terry


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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: The Immortal to W8ZZU on Tue Feb 19 2008 08:48 pm

fuck your ENTIRE FAMILY lol

You don't want to start that shit.. trust me.

k sry

Apology accepted.


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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Death to W8ZZU on Tue Feb 19 2008 09:51 pm

You don't want to start that shit.. trust me.

He thinks everything is funny.... He'll wind up with someone leaving
him bleeding somewhere in a ditch if he talks to people like that in
real life...

...aaaaand someone finally said it.

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watch out, that one's a gusher.

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you suck
learn to edit text how the hell do you even turn on your PC sometimes jeez

Learn to leave the 25 extra lines out of the bottom of your message...

Terry


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...aaaaand someone finally said it.

That was so...mature.... Your an impressive little shithook, aren't
ya?

Terry


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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Death to The Immortal on Wed Feb 20 2008 02:46 pm

Learn to leave the 25 extra lines out of the bottom of your message...

....Terry with the assist! TOUCHE pussy maybe it's not my fault when
using fsedit on someone elses bbs!

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....Terry with the assist! TOUCHE pussy maybe it's not my fault when
using fsedit on someone elses bbs!

Don't you love how I pop in and help out those like you in deep need
of aid?!

And you shouldn't call someone a pussy over the internet, that is
safe.. And since there is no way you would do it in person, not and
like it anyhow, you shouldn't utter the word.

You are kinda funny sometimes though, I'll give you that much... I get
a chuckle every once in a while from you. And you are SO easy toget
riled up...

Terry


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Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Death to The Immortal on Thu Feb 21 2008 06:00 pm

....Terry with the assist! TOUCHE pussy maybe it's not my fault when
using fsedit on someone elses bbs!

Don't you love how I pop in and help out those like you in deep need
of aid?!

And you shouldn't call someone a pussy over the internet, that is
safe.. And since there is no way you would do it in person, not and
like it anyhow, you shouldn't utter the word.

You are kinda funny sometimes though, I'll give you that much... I get
a chuckle every once in a while from you. And you are SO easy toget
riled up...

Terry

HUSH BEFORE I COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND WHIP UR ASS IN REAL LIFE AND TAKE UR PC AND USE IT TO STORE NOTHING BUT COMPRESSED TEXT

PUSSY

lol
who are you helping anyway
missed it
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HUSH BEFORE I COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND WHIP UR ASS IN REAL LIFE AND TAKE UR PC AND USE IT TO STORE NOTHING BUT COMPRESSED TEXT
PUSSY
lol
who are you helping anyway
missed it

Come on over... I got a gift for ya... ;o)

Terry


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//- With quill in hand, Finnigann
sends off a short note to Slink,
about Re: Interestingly Enough. -\\

Re: Re: Interestingly Enough.
By: Slink to Finnigann on Tue Jan 29 2008 14:02:00

I'm not sure what top posting is, but if it gets me kicked off heaven

expres

or whatever, I suppose i'm not missing very much.. Not sure why you seem

so

angry in this post, but you don't seem very much like a nice person at

all.

hope the best for you and yours..

You can interpret my meaning anyway you chose. It's up to you, really.

Thanks!
Slink.

Well we'll see, wont we.

'Top-posting' is when you post your reply *above* the quoted text instead
of *below* (which is called, believe it or not, 'Bottom-posting'.

On DOVE-Net, we bottom-post.

Ahhhh.... I see.. seems like a silly rule...

It's a courtesy. For those that like to make sense when they reply.

As would trimming the quoted lines.



When you make the finding yourself - even if
you're the last person on Earth to see the
light - you'll never forget it. -- Carl Sagan


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F ³
F ³ Well we'll see, wont we.
F ³
F ³ > 'Top-posting' is when you post your reply *above* the quoted text instea
F ³ > of *below* (which is called, believe it or not, 'Bottom-posting'.
F ³ >
F ³ > On DOVE-Net, we bottom-post.
F ³ >
F ³
F ³ Sl> Ahhhh.... I see.. seems like a silly rule...
F ³
F ³ It's a courtesy. For those that like to make sense when they reply.
F ³
F ³ As would trimming the quoted lines.

It's as much tradition as anything else. "Back in the day" all BBS
software automatically put you in bottom posting mode. In fact, I can't remember very many BBS programs that would even let you SELECT a top-post
mode. It really just makes sense to put your responses AFTER (or below)
that to which you are responding. After all, how many times do you answer
the question BEFORE it's asked?


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