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Re: Read this book!
By: Smole to All on Mon Jan 18 2010 02:17 pm

http://www.guidetothecosmos.com/acclife.html

It lost me at "Can Life be Merely an Accident?"

One of the oldest strawman arguments in the book.

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Re: Read this book!
By: nightcrawler to Smole on Mon Jan 18 2010 09:13 pm

Re: Read this book!
By: Smole to All on Mon Jan 18 2010 02:17 pm

http://www.guidetothecosmos.com/acclife.html

It lost me at "Can Life be Merely an Accident?"

This video is a pretty decent rebuttal to the "Life can't happen by accident" argument:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIiz9ndYLT8

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Re: Read this book!
By: Smole to All on Mon Jan 18 2010 14:17:22

http://www.guidetothecosmos.com/acclife.html

NO! But thanks for the suggestion.

I've heard this argument ("Life is so unlikely to occur randomly that there must have been a guiding force") before. I happen to think that the universe is also so vast as to give even the unlikeliest things a chance many times over. I doubt if I could slog through a whole book of that, and doubt further that it would change my mind.

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Re: Read this book!
By: echicken to Smole on Mon Jan 18 2010 07:33 pm

I've heard this argument ("Life is so unlikely to occur randomly that there must have been a guiding force") before. I happen to think that the univers is also so vast as to give even the unlikeliest things a chance many times over. I doubt if I could slog through a whole book of that, and doubt furth that it would change my mind.

A whole book? It's only 56 pages or something. Must be a groundbreaking argument for the need of so few words.

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Re: Read this book!
By: nightcrawler to echicken on Tue Jan 19 2010 00:14:13

A whole book? It's only 56 pages or something. Must be a groundbreaking argument for the need of so few words.

Yikes. I didn't even look at the page count. Even so, I don't think I could slog through 56 pages of that either - although at that length maybe I could leave it in my bathroom and read it over the course of a few morning constitutionals.

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Re: Read this book!
By: echicken to Smole on Mon Jan 18 2010 07:33 pm

I've heard this argument ("Life is so unlikely to occur randomly that there must have been a guiding force") before. I happen to think that the univers is also so vast as to give even the unlikeliest things a chance many times over. I doubt if I could slog through a whole book of that, and doubt furth that it would change my mind.

Yeah! And anyway, where the hell did the guiding force come from? If that force can just "be", I don't see why life can't just "be" either.

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Re: Read this book!
By: echicken to nightcrawler on Tue Jan 19 2010 12:04 pm

Yikes. I didn't even look at the page count. Even so, I don't think I coul slog through 56 pages of that either - although at that length maybe I could leave it in my bathroom and read it over the course of a few morning constitutionals.

I just wanted to let you know that I'm adopting the word "slog" and plan to use it regularly. Thanks echicken. Always a pleasure :P

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It lost me at "Can Life be Merely an Accident?"

One of the oldest strawman arguments in the book.

Loosen up a little, dude. Its a question, not a strawman. A strawman is a bullshit argument that is built for the purpose of tearing down.

Asking this question does niether. Thiest and athiest alike can participate in
good science to help anwer this question.


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It lost me at "Can Life be Merely an Accident?"

This video is a pretty decent rebuttal to the "Life can't happen by accident" n>argument:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIiz9ndYLT8

Thanks for posting that. The video has many valid points. He is correct that you
only need 1 winning ticket in multiple tries. However in my opinion he deaprts from meaningful dialog on the origins of life subject when he injects all the lotteries from the whole universe.

If I roll the dice 20 times and never get a 6, I still only have a 1 in 6 chance
of rolling a 6 on the 21st roll. We're not talking about all the galaxies (dice
rollers), we're talking about this planet. 1 or 1 trillion rolls of the dice in
another galaxy has *zero* infulence here and therefore CANNOT help our lottery here.

He then goes on to make the case about arguing from ignorance - from improbabilities and so forth but he is content to leave it at that based on these supposed sheer numbers or lotteries that have no efffect on us.

He doesn't even know or address what these improbablities are let alone take the
time to address them. He just assumes he is right based on faulty statistical reasonaing without doing any real work and leaves it at that. PURE AND SIMPLE.

His reasoning is flat out faulty. If you want to believe him then do so but please at least do some math on it based on THIS planet in THIS solar system in
THIS galaxy 'cause nothing else matters to US and life HERE.

I gotta say I'm not really impressed.

Anyone up for some math? Anyone up for doing a little work on our own to give this a fair shot and let the chips fall where they may? Let's put some IDr's to
the test and find out if thier numbers have any chance and let the chips fall where they may.








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