• Afterlife

    From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Thursday, September 10, 2020 15:00:36
    We will all reach our destination sooner or later in life but are you looking forward to living in the afterlife when you leave the Earth forever? Do you even believe in life after death? At least you can be a ghost and haunt people. That must be fun, I guess. If you choose cremation, your body gets burned, otherwise you get buried in a coffin and rot instead.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ..."Will we ever fear the ecstasy of free thought?" - Thinkman...

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to The Millionaire on Friday, September 11, 2020 00:17:00
    Re: Afterlife
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Sep 10 2020 03:00 pm

    We will all reach our destination sooner or later in life but are you lookin forward to living in the afterlife when you leave the Earth forever? Do you even believe in life after death? At least you can be a ghost and haunt peop That must be fun, I guess. If you choose cremation, your body gets burned, otherwise you get buried in a coffin and rot instead.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ..."Will we ever fear the ecstasy of free thought?" - Thinkman...

    I would've liked to see the face of the first theologian that was asked about sitatuations such as being devoured by piranhas or having their body being picked clean by nightwatch beetles. Would you really want to rise and return to the earth with whatever was left of your body?

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to The Millionaire on Friday, September 11, 2020 11:13:44
    Re: Afterlife
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Sep 10 2020 03:00 pm

    We will all reach our destination sooner or later in life but are you lookin forward to living in the afterlife when you leave the Earth forever? Do you

    What is this "Afterlife" so many are trying to get to?

    HusTler
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to HusTler on Friday, September 11, 2020 12:41:00
    Re: Afterlife
    We will all reach our destination sooner or later in life but are you l forward to living in the afterlife when you leave the Earth forever? Do

    What is this "Afterlife" so many are trying to get to?
    HusTler
    havens.synchro.net:23

    *IMO* Its the hope... the story.. the inability to cope with the OFF button;
    I believe when we die, we die. 'We' don't anything anymore... no looking down
    @ our body, no going to the next life, no party in the sky nor turmoil in a world of fire.

    I leave all the stories where they should go; a bookshelf. I grew up a ministers child, so I'm knowledgable about the beliefs - but take a much more scientific approach to existance.

    When its time to go, thats it man...



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Friday, September 11, 2020 13:55:40
    Re: Afterlife
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Sep 10 2020 03:00 pm

    We will all reach our destination sooner or later in life but are you looking forward to living in the afterlife when you leave the Earth forever? Do you even believe in life after death?

    At this point I just don't know. I'm not sure if anyone really knows for sure, even if they say they do.

    If you choose
    cremation, your body gets burned, otherwise you get buried in a coffin and rot instead.

    No kidding; really??

    Nightfox

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to Moondog on Friday, September 11, 2020 22:55:59
    On 9/11/2020 12:17 AM, between "Moondog":

    I would've liked to see the face of the first theologian
    that was asked about sitatuations such as being devoured by
    piranhas or having their body being picked clean by
    nightwatch beetles. Would you really want to rise and return
    to the earth with whatever was left of your body?

    Where do you get the idea that one would rise/return "with whatever was left of our body"?

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to paulie420 on Friday, September 11, 2020 23:14:01
    On 9/11/2020 8:41 AM, between "paulie420":

    *IMO* Its the hope... the story.. the inability to cope with
    the OFF button; I believe when we die, we die. 'We' don't
    anything anymore... no looking down @ our body, no going to
    the next life, no party in the sky nor turmoil in a world of
    fire.

    Your key words above: "I believe.." intrigue me. What do you base that belief on?


    I leave all the stories where they should go; a bookshelf. I
    grew up a ministers child, so I'm knowledgable about the
    beliefs - but take a much more scientific approach to
    existance.

    Some actual scientists have reported their concerns:

    "Proof of Heaven - A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife | Eben Alexander"

    Thousands of people have had near-death experiences, but scientists have argued that they are impossible. Dr. Eben Alexander was one of those scientists. A highly trained neurosurgeon, Alexander knew that NDEs feel real, but are simply fantasies produced by brains under extreme stress.

    Then, Dr. Alexander's own brain was attacked by a rare illness. The part of the brain that controls thought and emotion─and in essence makes us human─shut down completely. For seven days he lay in a coma. Then, as his doctors considered stopping treatment, Alexander's eyes popped open. He had come back.

    Read and excerpt here:

    https://www.edelweiss.plus/?sku=1451695195


    When its time to go, thats it man...

    Maybe not.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Ogg on Friday, September 11, 2020 22:36:00
    *IMO* Its the hope... the story.. the inability to cope with
    the OFF button; I believe when we die, we die. 'We' don't
    anything anymore... no looking down @ our body, no going to
    the next life, no party in the sky nor turmoil in a world of
    I leave all the stories where they should go; a bookshelf. I
    grew up a ministers child, so I'm knowledgable about the
    beliefs - but take a much more scientific approach to
    existance.

    Your key words above: "I believe.." intrigue me. What do you base that belief o n?

    Some actual scientists have reported their concerns:

    When its time to go, thats it man...
    Maybe not.

    My beliefs, I think, come from a [childhood] lifetime of pressure to become ordained.... in my family, it was simple- become a minister and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. Period. I wasn't taught taxes, I wasn't taught other ways to have a career; I was only pressured in every sense to become the same as my Grandparents and Parents.

    I love my Parents more than anyone in this world... their choices weren't
    bad- they ended up great people, and lived a good honest clean life. However, during that childhood I saw the good, bad and ugly of Christian living. How
    the church if filled with fake followers [at least some of their time], hypocritical living and just downright single-track acceptance.

    This didn't set well with me, and even before I formed my beliefs about life
    I knew that Christianity and faith teaching would never be for me.

    If anything, I could consider spirituality or 'whats next' if there was one ounce of proof or... reason that it could be true. IMO, the overwhelming
    truth is that there isn't any scientific reasoning behind the tall tales that the bible sells to the masses. In fact, just simple deduction and reasoning [again, in my opinion] makes the choice so easy. Its hard to think of the
    end. It sucks to not have a tomorrow. Christianity, the bible, isn't the only religion in the world - but every single religion describes the same God, punishment and miracle-talk. I've never witnessed a miracle. I've seen plenty of wonderful happenings; people who should be gone and aren't... but just
    think that they can all be explain thru science and reasoning.

    The vast amounts of faith the bible asks us to have, thru stories that
    couldn't possibly be true [in MY reasoning] just totally aligns with ALL of
    the different religions have created the same thing: Something for their societies to hold onto, so they don't have to die.

    I just believe thats what it is... I don't want to fake myself out, I want to live my best life while I'm HERE. I believe that many many people are gone
    now - GONE - and they spent their lives not living it.. having faith in something invisible, without any scientific reasoning whatsoever.

    You ending sentance; maybe not... I cannot even wrap my head around how one [more specifically, ME] could even make that statement. Everything I've experienced or seen in the flesh shows me that the end is the end. Our dogs go.. and have never came back. To me, anyway...

    These are tough topics - and not one that can sway the opposite opinion...



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ogg on Saturday, September 12, 2020 15:32:00
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: Ogg to Moondog on Fri Sep 11 2020 10:55 pm

    On 9/11/2020 12:17 AM, between "Moondog":

    I would've liked to see the face of the first theologian
    that was asked about sitatuations such as being devoured by
    piranhas or having their body being picked clean by
    nightwatch beetles. Would you really want to rise and return
    to the earth with whatever was left of your body?

    Where do you get the idea that one would rise/return "with whatever was left

    Early Jewish beliefs. Hell was a concept absorbed when the Greeks began adopting Christianity. Early Jewish faiths did not have a Hades underworld concept, and their words that were mistaken as going to hell only implied bein g put under the ground until a later time you will rise and walk again on
    the earth.

    Some American Indian beliefs are similar, in which mutilating your enemies' bodies will result in them being unable to wage war, hunt, or enjoy their
    wives when they pass over to the next world. After Little Big horn, Tom Brody's body was so mutilated he was only recognizable by a tattoo.

    In different parts of the world. being placed face down upon death would prevent your soul from leaving your body.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to The Millionaire on Sunday, September 13, 2020 01:18:08
    Re: Afterlife
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Sep 10 2020 03:00 pm

    We will all reach our destination sooner or later in life but are you looking forward to living in the afterlife when you leave the Earth forever? Do you even believe in life after death?

    no. There is no evidence of any such thing.

    At least you can be a
    ghost and haunt people. That must be fun, I guess.

    No, that would imply "life after death". that's not a thing.

    If you choose
    cremation, your body gets burned, otherwise you get buried in a coffin and rot instead.

    Cremate me, and shoot me into space. that would be nice.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to Moondog on Sunday, September 13, 2020 22:53:33
    On 9/12/2020 3:32 PM, between "Moondog":

    Early Jewish beliefs. Hell was a concept absorbed when..

    Some American Indian beliefs are similar, in which..

    In different parts of the world. being placed face down upon
    death would prevent your soul from leaving your body.

    OK.. So you were just being sarcastic considering that there are a variety of different ideas out there?

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to DaiTengu on Sunday, September 13, 2020 22:58:04
    On 9/13/2020 2:18 AM, between "DaiTengu":


    Cremate me, and shoot me into space. that would be nice.

    I am sure there would be an enterprising company that would be happy to fleece you for 6-figures to do that. But then you would never know if they kept their end of the deal.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to paulie420 on Sunday, September 13, 2020 23:49:47
    On 9/11/2020 6:36 PM, between "paulie420":

    My beliefs, I think, come from a [childhood] lifetime of
    pressure to become ordained.... in my family, it was simple-

    Wow. You packed a lot of information in there.

    Family pressure can sure be the worst feeling of restricted living. I am sure that it was a bit tough to share it.


    ..However, during that childhood I saw
    the good, bad and ugly of Christian living..

    And you would not be the first.


    ...I knew that Christianity and faith
    teaching would never be for me.

    You recognized that the examples of life that you saw labeled as Christian living were not consistent with what you hoped to find based on certain teachings. Humanity is flawed. No one disputes that.


    If anything, I could consider spirituality or 'whats next'
    if there was one ounce of proof or... reason that it could
    be true. IMO, the overwhelming truth is that there isn't any
    scientific reasoning behind the tall tales that the bible..

    Science is about replicating some proof in a lab. The writings in the Bible have nothing to do with science. However, many accounts are verified by archeology, for example.

    The bible has been studied for centuries. Are people just suddenly supposed to disregard the record just because some layman in 2020 says "tall tales"?

    The ideas behind quantum theories, string theories, the "scientific" ideas behind alternate realities sound pretty wacky too. Much of that hasn't been even proven.


    ..- but every single religion describes the same
    God, punishment and miracle-talk.

    Just a couple of examples to counter that claim:

    Hinduism = so many variances from one god, yet acknowledging thousands of others; its concept of God is complex and depends upon each individual and the tradition and philosophy followed.

    Buddhism = no god, really; more like a belief in a state of being.

    Need I compare others? So your statement "every single religion" does not fit the reality of just the two faiths mentioned above.


    ...I
    believe that many many people are gone now - GONE - and they
    spent their lives not living it.. having faith in something
    invisible, without any scientific reasoning whatsoever.

    Having faith in something that the bible describes doesn't mean you have to give up life. Faith gives a certain understanding of hope and meaning to life.


    Everything I've experienced or seen in the flesh
    shows me that the end is the end. Our dogs go.. and have
    never came back. To me, anyway...

    Many scientists, doctors and other highly educated people ponder the same things and come to opposite conclusions.


    These are tough topics - and not one that can sway the
    opposite opinion...

    Yep. Tough for many. Even for those people still figuring things out. There are however, many examples of people swaying in those thoughts through life. It's an individual journey. It is up to you to decide what to think. It is called free will.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ogg on Monday, September 14, 2020 02:20:00
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: Ogg to Moondog on Sun Sep 13 2020 10:53 pm

    On 9/12/2020 3:32 PM, between "Moondog":

    Early Jewish beliefs. Hell was a concept absorbed when..

    Some American Indian beliefs are similar, in which..

    In different parts of the world. being placed face down upon
    death would prevent your soul from leaving your body.

    OK.. So you were just being sarcastic considering that there are a variety

    Yes, but you have to wonder if that question came up. If you got tattoos in life, would they carry over to the afterlife? How about a broken leg? Would someone who has autism or Down's Syndrome also have it in the afterlife? If you return to walk the earth, is your new body and brain free of the defects
    or abnormalities that define you?

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ogg on Monday, September 14, 2020 02:26:00
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 13 2020 10:58 pm

    On 9/13/2020 2:18 AM, between "DaiTengu":


    Cremate me, and shoot me into space. that would be nice.

    I am sure there would be an enterprising company that would be happy to flee


    Gene Roddenberry's ashes were launched into space along with several hundred other's ashed aboard a former Soviet ICBM. I heard on the radio another company was going one step further and sending ashes to the moon. I'm not
    sure a rocket previously designed to spew warheads over several cities would have the ability to break orbit and head to the moon.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to Moondog on Monday, September 14, 2020 18:42:11
    On 9/14/2020 2:20 AM, between "Moondog": Ogg

    OK.. So you were just being sarcastic ...

    Yes, but you have to wonder if that question came up. If
    you got tattoos in life, would they carry over to the
    afterlife? How about a broken leg? Would someone who has
    autism or Down's Syndrome also have it in the afterlife? If
    you return to walk the earth, is your new body and brain
    free of the defects or abnormalities that define you?

    Surprisingly, the Bible provides a pretty good idea what happens.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Ogg on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 16:39:07
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 13 2020 10:58 pm

    Cremate me, and shoot me into space. that would be nice.

    I am sure there would be an enterprising company that would be happy to fleece you for 6-figures to do that. But then you would never know if they kept their end of the deal.

    It's actually not that expensive, anymore, apprarently.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Ogg on Thursday, September 17, 2020 00:49:08
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: Ogg to Moondog on Mon Sep 14 2020 06:42 pm

    Surprisingly, the Bible provides a pretty good idea what happens.

    Norse Mythology gives a great description of Valhalla, Greek Mythology has lots of descriptions of Hades and Mt. Olympus. Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all describe the wheel and reincarnation in depth.

    Which one is right? And why?

    DaiTengu

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to DaiTengu on Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:51:56
    On 17/09/2020 1:49 a.m., DaiTengu wrote:

    Surprisingly, the Bible provides a pretty good idea what
    happens.

    Norse Mythology gives a great description of Valhalla,
    Greek Mythology has lots of descriptions of Hades and Mt.
    Olympus. Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all describe the
    wheel and reincarnation in depth.

    First of all, the term mythology gives a pretty good clue what it
    is. ;) I personally have a problem with reincarnation; the
    premise does not explain an expanding population.


    Which one is right? And why?

    Your best bet is to engage a scholar or a pastor on those topics.

    We as layman, can only continue to wonder about such things and
    would never be satisfied with anything.

    I have studied world religions as extra courses in university. I
    have bombarded ministers, pastors and scholars with many questions
    in ensuing years.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Ogg on Sunday, September 20, 2020 23:04:10
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 20 2020 12:51 pm

    Norse Mythology gives a great description of Valhalla,
    Greek Mythology has lots of descriptions of Hades and Mt.
    Olympus. Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all describe the
    wheel and reincarnation in depth.

    First of all, the term mythology gives a pretty good clue what it
    is. ;) I personally have a problem with reincarnation; the
    premise does not explain an expanding population.

    Christianity is often referred to to as "Christian Mythology" whene speaking in these terms, too.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to DaiTengu on Monday, September 21, 2020 12:22:55
    On 21/09/2020 12:04 a.m., DaiTengu wrote:

    First of all, the term mythology gives a pretty good clue
    what it is. I personally have a problem with
    reincarnation; the premise does not explain an expanding
    population.

    Christianity is often referred to to as "Christian
    Mythology" whene speaking in these terms, too.

    I would challenge the "often referred" part. ;) I don't hear that
    in mainstream or among the academia.

    There are elements that later practices have adopted based on
    mythologies and mysticism in outlying ideas, but I wouldn't classify Christianity as 100% mythology.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ogg on Monday, September 21, 2020 15:49:00
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Mon Sep 21 2020 12:22 pm

    On 21/09/2020 12:04 a.m., DaiTengu wrote:

    First of all, the term mythology gives a pretty good clue
    what it is. I personally have a problem with
    reincarnation; the premise does not explain an expanding
    population.

    Christianity is often referred to to as "Christian
    Mythology" whene speaking in these terms, too.

    I would challenge the "often referred" part. ;) I don't hear that
    in mainstream or among the academia.

    There are elements that later practices have adopted based on
    mythologies and mysticism in outlying ideas, but I wouldn't classify Christianity as 100% mythology.

    The only reason why Christainity isn't referred to in the same way is becaus Christianity spread by stamping oput other faiths as being "false" religions.
    Odinism, what the Norse originally referred to as they Old Way, was called hedonism by the Christians. Hedonism and "heathen" activities were shamed
    and pushed out of existience except in the form of myth and legend.

    Saint Patrick didn't chase snakes out of Ireland. He ousted the last of the Druids.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to DaiTengu on Friday, December 04, 2020 09:03:33
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: DaiTengu to Ogg on Thu Sep 17 2020 12:49 am

    Surprisingly, the Bible provides a pretty good idea what happens.

    Norse Mythology gives a great description of Valhalla, Greek Mythology has lots of descriptions of Hades and Mt. Olympus. Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all describe the wheel and reincarnation in depth.

    Which one is right? And why?


    Of course Christianity is a myth, it just happens to be the one myth which is true.

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  • From Sprite@VERT/TINTETBB to Andeddu on Friday, December 04, 2020 17:41:04
    Re: Re: Afterlife
    By: Andeddu to DaiTengu on Fri Dec 04 2020 09:03:33

    Of course Christianity is a myth, it just happens to be the one myth which is true.

    Ah, so you've seen proof (as opposed to faith, which is, by definition, not provable). I'd love to hear it. :)

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