i dont know of one case where paganism or satanism has turned a perso into a better person, but there are many cases where mainstream relig has turned some horrible people into good people.
religion. I've heard Christians even took some of the Pagan holidays
and made them their own, or part of their own. For instance, I think
I've heard Christmas was originally a Pagan winter solstice holiday, and Jesus' birthday is not even known for sure to be December 25th.
suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a better
person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person out
of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better if a
religion. I've heard Christians even took some of the Pagan
holidays and made them their own, or part of their own. For
instance, I think
Like Halloween? I think it's pretty messed up how Christians celebrate Halloween, and at this point, I can barely handle horror flicks, or death-associated stuff. That sort of stuff is nails in my coffin.
suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a better
person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person
out of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better
if a
In non-Satanic religions, yea, what are they scared of?
I have an friend who converted from Catholicism to Satanism (Lavey) about 20 years ago. He has become incredibly successful, makes tons of loot, is a computer god, and he might not, but I totally attribute it to his devotion to Satanism.
On 09-04-18 01:37, metalhead wrote to MRO <=-
Satanism, a whole different thread, is a religion to be respected, and considered for any wayward explorers.
On 09-04-18 01:37, metalhead wrote to MRO <=-
Satanism, a whole different thread, is a religion to be respected, and considered for any wayward explorers.
It's one I know nothing about. I've never met any Satinists that I know of, and there's obviously so much anti Satanist propaganda around.
Like Halloween? I think it's pretty messed up how Christians celebrate Halloween, and at this point, I can barely handle horror flicks, or death-associated stuff. That sort of stuff is nails in my coffin.I used to participate in the activities of Oct 31 before I investigated the origins of the traditions and realized that it was no longer for me. I have told my family that its something that they shouldn't be involving themselves in.
I'm not Pagan, but my understanding is that Halloween was actually
meant for scaring away the bad spirits. It's not supposed to be about death or horror.
God's wrath and punishment is only reserved for the unrighteous.suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a betterIn non-Satanic religions, yea, what are they scared of?
person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person
out of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better
if a
God's wrath and punishment?
meant for scaring away the bad spirits. It's not supposed to be about death or horror.I used to participate in the activities of Oct 31 before I investigated the origins of the traditions and realized that it was no longer for me. I have told my family that its something that they shouldn't be involving themselves in.
In non-Satanic religions, yea, what are they scared of?
God's wrath and punishment?
God's wrath and punishment is only reserved for the unrighteous.
if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you die.
if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you die.
I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.
if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you
die.
I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.
As long as it's not a painful death, I'm not really worried about that part. There are people who die peacefully in their sleep and such, and I think tha probably the easist way to go if it happens that way.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Nov 04 2018 10:01 am
if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you
die.
I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.
As long as it's not a painful death, I'm not really worried about that part. There are people who die peacefully in their sleep and such, and
I think that's probably the easist way to go if it happens that way.
Even with my belief of everyone's spirit is just asleep waiting for their resurection (yes, I believe everyone will be resurrected at some point, no one is going to heaven or "hell" [as the mainstream Christianity sees it]), I still worry about it from time to time.
Which leads me to this: I think that this whole notion of people going to heaven or "hell" based on who and how they are just doesn't line up with the whole notion of a loving Hashem. To me, it makes more sense that people who never heard of Hashem or never been living a "Christian" life will be resurrected and be given a second chance than it does for a person to go to heaven if they lived this "Christian" life or goes right to "hell" if they never heard of Hashem or the Moshiac. That just doesn't seem fair me, and it makes Hashem look like He's unfair and "Christians" a bunch of elitests.
Even with my belief of everyone's spirit is just asleep waiting for their resurection (yes, I believe everyone will be resurrected at some point, no one is going to heaven or "hell" [as the mainstream Christianity sees it]), I still worry about it from time to time.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Mon Nov 05 2018 08:33 am
Which leads me to this: I think that this whole notion of people going to heaven or "hell" based on who and how they are just doesn't line up with the whole notion of a loving Hashem. To me, it makes more sense that people who never heard of Hashem or never been living a "Christian" life will be resurrected and be given a second chance than it does for a person to go to heaven if they lived this "Christian" life or goes right to "hell" if they never heard of Hashem or the Moshiac. That just doesn't seem fair me, and it makes Hashem look like He's unfair and "Christians" a bunch of elitests.
Well I've never heard of "Hashem" or "Moshiac" until your mention of it
in your email there.
i think the whole thread is fucking retarded.if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you die.I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.
Me too, and a lot of these nut jobs not only voted for Trump, they think he's >the
second coming. Brainwashed cultists, every one of them.
Me too, and a lot of these nut jobs not only voted for Trump, they
think he's the
second coming. Brainwashed cultists, every one of them.
Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D
Me too, and a lot of these nut jobs not only voted for Trump, they think he's >the
second coming. Brainwashed cultists, every one of them.
Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D
I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.
Take a look at this for a bit of reference. The percentages he recites are real. The
Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump >> that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill
Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D
As for Obama and Clinton, I've never heard anyone speak of them as if they were
a
religious icon. I've seen documentaries where Trump supporters have stated he's
I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.
I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.
That's not nearly as sinful as the stuff that democrats advocate.
what trump has done with this country is wonderful. we have the best economy in the world right now. there are more jobs than people.
Actually all you need to do is check the facts, it is true we have the best unemployment rates in almost 30 years, jobs are coming back to the USA.
We elected Trump for several reasons.
#1 Build the wall on our southern boarder to force Illegal Alien's to enter the US by obeying our rules.
#2 Bring back the Job's that Obama lost.During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
#3 Cut taxes to boost our economy.
So far Trump has done or tried to do all that we the people hired him to do. Nasty Nancy needs to fund our wall to protect the people of the USA, she say's there is no problem at the boarder she is either really stupid or she hates freedom.Or she's really smart and has her finger on the pulse of America? 59% of Americans oppose the border wall.
most illegal Drug's come in through Mexico, then there's the violent criminal's many of whom have been deported many times and keep coming back across our boarders time after time because our borders are unsecured. then there is the human trafficking aspect all these things could be greatly reduced with boarder funding for the boarder wall.
Donald Trump is the best president since Reagan.If by "best" you mean "worst" then I totally agree. Reagan was a shit president.
For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year to do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of stock, which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give us some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored it and didn't say a word)
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 27 2019 04:00 pm
We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.
You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost less.
During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
Coal mining jobs aren't coming back. #Sorrynotsorry
#nottrue you don't read or get out much do you?
For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year to do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of stock, which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give us some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored it and didn't say a word)
Or she's really smart and has her finger on the pulse of America? 59% of Americans oppose the border wall.
The Democrats are willing to work with Trump on border security, They're just not willing to waste money on a useless monument to his narcissim.
The vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country came here via boat or air. Many came here through official ports. Criminal elements won't be stopped by a wall, because criminals have money. Pay attention to the El Chapo trial, he didn't sling drugs across a wall-less border, he brought them in on submarine-like boats, or via air freight. Human Trafficking isn't much different.
If by "best" you mean "worst" then I totally agree. Reagan was a shit president.
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You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are
far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost
less.
You watch we're definitely getting a wall.
Walls work.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 27 2019 04:00 pm
We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.
No 8 year's of Obama Increased national debt more than all president's combined.
You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost less.
You watch we're definitely getting a wall.
During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
Coal mining jobs aren't coming back. #Sorrynotsorry
#nottrue you don't read or get out much do you?
For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year
do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 oftock,
which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to gives
some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignoredt
and didn't say a word)
I got a decent raise imediatly after and as a result of the tax cuts.
Actually all you need to do is check the facts, it is true we have the best unemployment rates in almost 30 years, jobs are coming back to the USA.
We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.
So he is riding Obama's coattails until everything goes to crap? I don't buy it. What it if does not go to crap? What if he gets re-elected and it stays good for 8 years? Is that 8 years that Obama can take credit for?
IMHO, what might make it go to crap "after this point" is the influx of left-leaning new Democrats in Congress. They seem less interested in job creation and more interested in getting us all on the dole.
So he is riding Obama's coattails until everything goes to crap? I don't >DW> buy it. What it if does not go to crap? What if he gets re-elected and it >DW> stays good for 8 years? Is that 8 years that Obama can take credit for?
That's generally how it works with new presidencies. And let's be real. He's
not getting another term. he has a 39% approval rating. If the Republicans want
to keep control of the executive branch, they'll run a primary opponent against
him.
That's not even remotely true. Democrats don't want to get everyone dependant
upon the government, that's some Alex Jones level bullshit right there.
Gavin Newsom wants state run healthcare for all including Illegal aliens and >yes Kamala wants National healthcare for all.
how the F do these idiot's get elected ? California is already near bankrupt >because of Government pensions and the failed high speed rail and other >fiscally irresponsible projects now they want to add free school free >healthcare etc...
NOTHING is free! it will be an even bigger tax burden on the upper and middle >class.
one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payerYes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.
government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform. IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has
one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payerYes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.
government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform. IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has
single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as partYes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.
Sometimes government is a religion to some people, but that issingle-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as partYes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.
Is this the Religion SIG or am I confused again??? ;-)
single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as partYes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.
Is this the Religion SIG or am I confused again??? ;-)
Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 30 2019 01:03 pm
Yes, let's try and stifle discussion in these low traffic echos!
Yeah, genius idea.. Why didn't I think of that? ;)
If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area c
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My take on religious discussion includes lack of religion as part of the conversation. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to HusTler on Sat Oct 26 2019 02:02:00
My take on religious discussion includes lack of religion as part of the conversation. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.
YOU sir are CORRECT! :)
There is a reason why we only have 1 mouth and 2 ears and eyes. It's so we c TAKE IN more information than we spew out.
If everyone would talk less and listen/observe more then they would discover that virtually all of the big religious 'differences' are not differences at all. Everything is a matter of symantics. People using different words to me the same thing and getting bent out of shape over it.
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Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 05:31 pm
If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this are
created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help
As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion,
and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.
Indeed. You can even discuss religion if you are losing your religion...
I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Cathol
old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)
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Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2019 03:25 pm
I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of God As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)
I don't consider myself intensely religious, but even as we discover more ab
There's also a conspiracy theory that some people believe the universe we li
Nightfox
The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge of having faith.
Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as peopl of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:35 am
The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge having faith.
Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are
Nightfox
The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
away the challenge having faith.
Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
There are
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm
Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There a many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as pe of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.
the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.
I think there's alot of people who cannot or do not want to believe all we see is all there is,
or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of
intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outside the realms of our reality created us that way.
In the past, people let their leaders or kings step all over them, because the y believed this world was a test to get them in the door of a better place.
the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm
The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
away the challenge having faith.
Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
There are
I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you have to have faith and if y
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I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the
historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limited
I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because they ca n't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid
Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.
I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it becaus they ca n't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid
Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.
How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture
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How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture
If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some
people could call it a miracle.
How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture
If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some people could call it a miracle.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm
The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
away the challenge having faith.
Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
There are
I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the can't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid of being alone? Why is faith so important. I may chose to believe I will see my dead loved ones again someday but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you ha to have faith and if you don't you're a lost soul is just a myth in my book.
Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? Ther many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.
the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.
Please explain. I'm curious of your explanation.
or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of
intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outs the realms of our reality created us that way.
I'm not sure I feel any more comfort thinking we're here due to intelligent design or not.
I didn't think you were a believer, after the back & forth you had with Tony Langdon not too long ago.
I think some like to believe there is a plan, or a system of order that precedes the laws of man, a greater power that not only created us, but guides us and intervenes with natural events by way of prayer. From a historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limit
understanding, but also establishes the ground rules for absolute laws that are over rule the laws created by men. It's comforting to believe you have an all knowing, all powerful being has got your back.
what it is and you get 100 different explainations. I'm not afraid to die. Maybe that's why I don't need a God in my life. When I die the pain will be gone. That's all that matters to me. I've been told by many many people God
i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entities, that makes stuff pretty scary.
everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.
does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the population amongst other things?
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm
i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entitie that makes stuff pretty scary.
everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.
Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessar mean we're accountable to the creator?
does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?
Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that
necessar mean we're accountable to the creator?
it depends on the creator's mood
does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm
i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entitie that makes stuff pretty scary.
everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.
Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessar
Nightfox
does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?
I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:03 am
does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?
I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.
Reminds me of the debate between Ken Ham (devout Christian who built the Noah's Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argument about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical response was "Were you there?"
Nightfox
That was a painful one to watch! It's always been problemating for me, since I have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm
does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
population amongst other things?
I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding tha can't be validated. Something about a boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.
Havens BBS
Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argum about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical
have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science. Plus, who does LOVE Bill Nye?!? Ken Ham, however, is a bit of a nutter. :-P
i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark
btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunch. but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof that i didnt eat anything.
Re: Re: Not religious but enj
By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Nov 29 2019 02:15 pm
i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark
btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunc but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof th i didnt eat anything.
How about validated by science? Is that better? I'm not sure science can va n keep them alive until the water receded and when it did let em all go. Oh
You would think after 2020 years a better story could be told. ;-)
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Validated by Science?
What does that mean.
Seems to me most things that science validates, science later un-validates. Truth in Earth terms does not = truth beyond Earth.
I take little stock in science that tries to expland things beyond our planet.
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