• Re: Not religious but enj

    From metalhead@VERT/ALKY to MRO on Tuesday, September 04, 2018 01:37:00
    This is Nightfox's message that I'm replying to, but I'm going to start out by replying to MRO's segment, because I scanned this echo by mistake and missed the whole conversation:

    i dont know of one case where paganism or satanism has turned a perso into a better person, but there are many cases where mainstream relig has turned some horrible people into good people.

    I have an friend who converted from Catholicism to Satanism (Lavey) about 20 years ago. He has become incredibly successful, makes tons of loot, is a computer god, and he might not, but I totally attribute it to his devotion to Satanism.

    I understand that you would probably need to see it to believe it - but he's
    a great guy, and helped me tremendously with computer stuff.

    Satanism, a whole different thread, is a religion to be respected, and considered for any wayward explorers.


    Now I start talking to Nightfox:

    religion. I've heard Christians even took some of the Pagan holidays
    and made them their own, or part of their own. For instance, I think

    Like Halloween? I think it's pretty messed up how Christians celebrate Halloween, and at this point, I can barely handle horror flicks, or death-associated stuff. That sort of stuff is nails in my coffin.

    I've heard Christmas was originally a Pagan winter solstice holiday, and Jesus' birthday is not even known for sure to be December 25th.

    I'm slightly tuned to the Orthodox Catholic people. (Their church is like
    next door to my house.) They don't accept the 25th as the birth of Jesus; Xmas is some other day for them.

    suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a better
    person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person out
    of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better if a

    In non-Satanic religions, yea, what are they scared of? But for Satanists,
    they have nothing to be scared of other than death, or a crappy day.

    Life should be wonderful; if someone's life is bad, they need to fix it, Satanic or not, or die trying. But IMO, god will help people in their quest
    for better life experiences.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to metalhead on Tuesday, September 04, 2018 08:54:17
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: metalhead to MRO on Tue Sep 04 2018 01:37 am

    religion. I've heard Christians even took some of the Pagan
    holidays and made them their own, or part of their own. For
    instance, I think

    Like Halloween? I think it's pretty messed up how Christians celebrate Halloween, and at this point, I can barely handle horror flicks, or death-associated stuff. That sort of stuff is nails in my coffin.

    I'm not Pagan, but my understanding is that Halloween was actually meant for scaring away the bad spirits. It's not supposed to be about death or horror.

    suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a better
    person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person
    out of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better
    if a

    In non-Satanic religions, yea, what are they scared of?

    God's wrath and punishment?

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to metalhead on Tuesday, September 04, 2018 21:10:46
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: metalhead to MRO on Tue Sep 04 2018 01:37 am

    I have an friend who converted from Catholicism to Satanism (Lavey) about 20 years ago. He has become incredibly successful, makes tons of loot, is a computer god, and he might not, but I totally attribute it to his devotion to Satanism.

    satanism is about being a sociopath. so he may be successful, but he's not necessarily a better person.

    and anton lavey was a piece of shit.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to metalhead on Wednesday, September 05, 2018 09:19:00
    On 09-04-18 01:37, metalhead wrote to MRO <=-

    Satanism, a whole different thread, is a religion to be respected, and considered for any wayward explorers.

    It's one I know nothing about. I've never met any Satinists that I know of, and there's obviously so much anti Satanist propaganda around.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, September 04, 2018 22:55:51
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Vk3jed to metalhead on Wed Sep 05 2018 09:19 am

    On 09-04-18 01:37, metalhead wrote to MRO <=-

    Satanism, a whole different thread, is a religion to be respected, and considered for any wayward explorers.

    It's one I know nothing about. I've never met any Satinists that I know of, and there's obviously so much anti Satanist propaganda around.


    i could never respect satanism nor do i consider it a religion.
    the church of universal life holds more clout.

    satanism is about doing whatever you want. that's all there is to it.
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  • From Argelian@VERT/DMINE to Nightfox on Friday, October 05, 2018 20:43:00
    -=[ On 09-04-18 08:54, Nightfox wrote to metalhead below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Re: Not religious but enj ]=-

    Hi Nightfox!

    Like Halloween? I think it's pretty messed up how Christians celebrate Halloween, and at this point, I can barely handle horror flicks, or death-associated stuff. That sort of stuff is nails in my coffin.
    I'm not Pagan, but my understanding is that Halloween was actually
    meant for scaring away the bad spirits. It's not supposed to be about death or horror.
    I used to participate in the activities of Oct 31 before I investigated the origins of the traditions and realized that it was no longer for me. I have told my family that its something that they shouldn't be involving themselves in.

    suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a better
    person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person
    out of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better
    if a
    In non-Satanic religions, yea, what are they scared of?
    God's wrath and punishment?
    God's wrath and punishment is only reserved for the unrighteous.

    Cheers,
    Bryan
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Argelian on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 23:34:22
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Argelian to Nightfox on Fri Oct 05 2018 08:43 pm

    meant for scaring away the bad spirits. It's not supposed to be about death or horror.
    I used to participate in the activities of Oct 31 before I investigated the origins of the traditions and realized that it was no longer for me. I have told my family that its something that they shouldn't be involving themselves in.


    halloween is just about having fun, nothing else.
    let your family enjoy the fun.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Argelian on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 09:51:45
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Argelian to Nightfox on Fri Oct 05 2018 08:43 pm

    In non-Satanic religions, yea, what are they scared of?

    God's wrath and punishment?

    God's wrath and punishment is only reserved for the unrighteous.

    I think some people avoid being unrighteous out of fear of God's wrath and punishment if they were to do anything unrighteous.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:01:00
    if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you die.

    I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sunday, November 04, 2018 12:40:06
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Nov 04 2018 10:01 am

    if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you die.

    I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.


    i think the whole thread is fucking retarded.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Sunday, November 04, 2018 21:29:37
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Nov 04 2018 10:01 am

    if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you
    die.

    I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.

    As long as it's not a painful death, I'm not really worried about that part. There are people who die peacefully in their sleep and such, and I think that's probably the easist way to go if it happens that way.

    Nightfox

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  • From Jeff Friend@VERT/MORDOR to Nightfox on Monday, November 05, 2018 22:37:43
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Sun Nov 04 2018 09:29 pm

    As long as it's not a painful death, I'm not really worried about that part. There are people who die peacefully in their sleep and such, and I think tha probably the easist way to go if it happens that way.

    My Grandad passed away peacefully in his sleep. Can't say the same for the passengers in his car....

    Jeff

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Monday, November 05, 2018 08:33:00
    Previously between Nightfox and Dumas Walker...

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Nov 04 2018 10:01 am

    if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you
    die.

    I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.

    As long as it's not a painful death, I'm not really worried about that part. There are people who die peacefully in their sleep and such, and
    I think that's probably the easist way to go if it happens that way.

    I am the same way as well: more affraid of how I am going to die as opposed
    to the actual event. I do worry about what happens afterward, but I have to wonder if that is normal, regardless what religion one is in, or if they
    are areligious.

    Even with my belief of everyone's spirit is just asleep waiting for their resurection (yes, I believe everyone will be resurrected at some point, no
    one is going to heaven or "hell" [as the mainstream Christianity sees it]),
    I still worry about it from time to time.

    Which leads me to this: I think that this whole notion of people going to heaven or "hell" based on who and how they are just doesn't line up with
    the whole notion of a loving Hashem. To me, it makes more sense that
    people who never heard of Hashem or never been living a "Christian" life
    will be resurrected and be given a second chance than it does for a person
    to go to heaven if they lived this "Christian" life or goes right to "hell"
    if they never heard of Hashem or the Moshiac. That just doesn't seem fair
    me, and it makes Hashem look like He's unfair and "Christians" a bunch of elitests.

    For what it's worth: I am not a Jew, and I am FAR from being a mainstream Christian.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jagossel on Monday, November 05, 2018 09:44:01
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Mon Nov 05 2018 08:33 am

    Even with my belief of everyone's spirit is just asleep waiting for their resurection (yes, I believe everyone will be resurrected at some point, no one is going to heaven or "hell" [as the mainstream Christianity sees it]), I still worry about it from time to time.

    If we do have a spirit or a soul, I'm not sure about it being just asleep waiting for resurrection.. I'm not sure what the spirit would actually be doing in the meantime, but it seems odd that it might just be sitting around waiting. Perhaps there is a trial processes like in the movie "Defending Your Life"?

    Which leads me to this: I think that this whole notion of people going to heaven or "hell" based on who and how they are just doesn't line up with the whole notion of a loving Hashem. To me, it makes more sense that people who never heard of Hashem or never been living a "Christian" life will be resurrected and be given a second chance than it does for a person to go to heaven if they lived this "Christian" life or goes right to "hell" if they never heard of Hashem or the Moshiac. That just doesn't seem fair me, and it makes Hashem look like He's unfair and "Christians" a bunch of elitests.

    Well I've never heard of "Hashem" or "Moshiac" until your mention of it in your email there.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jagossel on Monday, November 05, 2018 09:50:21
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Mon Nov 05 2018 08:33 am

    Even with my belief of everyone's spirit is just asleep waiting for their resurection (yes, I believe everyone will be resurrected at some point, no one is going to heaven or "hell" [as the mainstream Christianity sees it]), I still worry about it from time to time.

    Also: I have heard of stories of children who seem to remember events of a past life, with details that are accurate but which they probably would not have learned about in their young life. I'm not sure if they would just be making it up, but the accuracy of some of what they remember seems to suggest that reincarnation could be a real thing. Recently I was watching a video online of one such person who seemed to be the reincarnation of Anne Frank. And one time, she went with her family to Amsterdam, where Anne Frank and her family lived, and she even knew where the Anne Frank house was without getting directions. Supposedly, they toured the Anne Frank house and she felt a strong sense of anxiety in there.
    http://barbokarlen.com

    Nightfox

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Monday, November 05, 2018 15:00:00
    Previously between Nightfox and Jagossel...

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Mon Nov 05 2018 08:33 am

    Which leads me to this: I think that this whole notion of people going to heaven or "hell" based on who and how they are just doesn't line up with the whole notion of a loving Hashem. To me, it makes more sense that people who never heard of Hashem or never been living a "Christian" life will be resurrected and be given a second chance than it does for a person to go to heaven if they lived this "Christian" life or goes right to "hell" if they never heard of Hashem or the Moshiac. That just doesn't seem fair me, and it makes Hashem look like He's unfair and "Christians" a bunch of elitests.

    Well I've never heard of "Hashem" or "Moshiac" until your mention of it
    in your email there.

    I'm using the Judaism terms here, but the Christian terms would be:
    - Hashem: Hebrew for "name", in this context: reference to God or Father
    - Moshiac: Hebrew for "Medsiah", which would be Christ in Christianity

    I just prefer the Judaism terms instead of the Christian terms.

    Again, I am so far from mainstream Christianity that I do not reflect their views; I just I have my own.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Monday, November 05, 2018 16:33:00
    if you say so. i'm not talking about the fear of what happens when you die.
    I do not fear that so much as the actual experience of dying itself.
    i think the whole thread is fucking retarded.

    Well, there is that, too. :)

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DRACO on Tuesday, January 08, 2019 17:27:00
    Me too, and a lot of these nut jobs not only voted for Trump, they think he's >the
    second coming. Brainwashed cultists, every one of them.

    Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill
    Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, January 08, 2019 17:30:52
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Dumas Walker to DRACO on Tue Jan 08 2019 05:27 pm

    Me too, and a lot of these nut jobs not only voted for Trump, they
    think he's the
    second coming. Brainwashed cultists, every one of them.

    Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D

    With Bill Clinton in there, I think you could interpret "coming" multiple ways..

    Nightfox

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  • From Draco@VERT/LOKISDEN to Dumas Walker on Friday, January 25, 2019 01:23:34
    Me too, and a lot of these nut jobs not only voted for Trump, they think he's >the
    second coming. Brainwashed cultists, every one of them.

    Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D


    I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
    but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.

    Take a look at this for a bit of reference. The percentages he recites are real. The
    base morality of white Evangelicals has been compromised. https://youtu.be/KS7pnPlQLcY

    As for Obama and Clinton, I've never heard anyone speak of them as if they were a
    religious icon. I've seen documentaries where Trump supporters have stated he's a
    savior, and (somehow) a religious man. How is a man who's cheated on all of his past
    and present wives, caught on tape bragging about his infidelity and adultery, cheated in both life and business, be a religious man? That certainly doesn't sound
    like any religion that relates to Evangelical Christianity. Or maybe it is now, for
    his while Evangelical base? Moral corruption indeed.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Draco on Friday, January 25, 2019 16:58:10
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Draco to Dumas Walker on Fri Jan 25 2019 01:23 am

    I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
    but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.

    Take a look at this for a bit of reference. The percentages he recites are real. The


    what trump has done with this country is wonderful. we have the best economy in the world right now. there are more jobs than people.

    keep lying then, trump!
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DRACO on Friday, January 25, 2019 17:22:00
    Not saying they do not exist, but I have not met anyone who thinks of Trump >> that way. I am related to some who think of Obama that way, and Bill
    Clinton before him... wait, I guess that makes Obama the third coming... :D

    As for Obama and Clinton, I've never heard anyone speak of them as if they were
    a
    religious icon. I've seen documentaries where Trump supporters have stated he's

    That is because you are not related to my relatives. :) I realize there may be folks who feel that way about Trump also, but I have never personally met
    any. I do personally know some who think he is Satan simply because he denied them another Clinton presidency and/or the greater possibilty of a socialist state.

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  • From metalhead@VERT/ALKY to Draco on Saturday, January 26, 2019 09:19:00
    I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
    but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.

    That's not nearly as sinful as the stuff that democrats advocate.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to metalhead on Saturday, January 26, 2019 16:25:48
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: metalhead to Draco on Sat Jan 26 2019 09:19 am

    I'm related to some who believe Trump's lies. They purport to be "good Christians"
    but support the pu$$y grabbing conman in chief.

    That's not nearly as sinful as the stuff that democrats advocate.



    he eats mcdonalds. he grabs the pussy. whats wrong with that
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:57:59
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Draco on Fri Jan 25 2019 04:58 pm

    what trump has done with this country is wonderful. we have the best economy in the world right now. there are more jobs than people.

    If you actually believe this, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you, as well as some oceanfront property in Arizona...

    DaiTengu

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Sunday, January 27, 2019 16:00:25
    Actually all you need to do is check the facts, it is true we have the best unemployment rates in almost 30 years, jobs are coming back to the USA.
    Not even the Democrat's dispute it.
    We elected Trump for several reasons.
    #1 Build the wall on our southern boarder to force Illegal Alien's to enter the US by obeying our rules.
    #2 Bring back the Job's that Obama lost.
    #3 Cut taxes to boost our economy.
    So far Trump has done or tried to do all that we the people hired him to do. Nasty Nancy needs to fund our wall to protect the people of the USA, she say's there is no problem at the boarder she is either really stupid or she hates freedom.
    most illegal Drug's come in through Mexico, then there's the violent criminal's many of whom have been deported many times and keep coming back across our boarders time after time because our borders are unsecured.
    then there is the human trafficking aspect all these things could be greatly reduced with boarder funding for the boarder wall.
    Donald Trump is the best president since Reagan.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Sunday, January 27, 2019 23:06:58
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 27 2019 04:00 pm

    Actually all you need to do is check the facts, it is true we have the best unemployment rates in almost 30 years, jobs are coming back to the USA.

    We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.

    We elected Trump for several reasons.
    #1 Build the wall on our southern boarder to force Illegal Alien's to enter the US by obeying our rules.

    You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost less.

    #2 Bring back the Job's that Obama lost.
    During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
    Coal mining jobs aren't coming back. #Sorrynotsorry

    #3 Cut taxes to boost our economy.

    For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year to do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of stock, which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give us some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored it and didn't say a word)


    So far Trump has done or tried to do all that we the people hired him to do. Nasty Nancy needs to fund our wall to protect the people of the USA, she say's there is no problem at the boarder she is either really stupid or she hates freedom.
    Or she's really smart and has her finger on the pulse of America? 59% of Americans oppose the border wall.
    The Democrats are willing to work with Trump on border security, They're just not willing to waste money on a useless monument to his narcissim.

    most illegal Drug's come in through Mexico, then there's the violent criminal's many of whom have been deported many times and keep coming back across our boarders time after time because our borders are unsecured. then there is the human trafficking aspect all these things could be greatly reduced with boarder funding for the boarder wall.

    The vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country came here via boat or air. Many came here through official ports. Criminal elements won't be stopped by a wall, because criminals have money. Pay attention to the El Chapo trial, he didn't sling drugs across a wall-less border, he brought them in on submarine-like boats, or via air freight. Human Trafficking isn't much different.

    Donald Trump is the best president since Reagan.
    If by "best" you mean "worst" then I totally agree. Reagan was a shit president.

    DaiTengu

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to DaiTengu on Monday, January 28, 2019 06:22:59
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: DaiTengu to Roadhog on Sun Jan 27 2019 11:06 pm

    For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year to do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of stock, which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give us some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored it and didn't say a word)

    Don't forget the FCC, bought and paid for. Net Neutrality passed, yet spending on network improvements, which were "stifled" by opressive government, *dropped* once the regulations were lifted. Oh, and the layoffs!

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Monday, January 28, 2019 16:15:11
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 27 2019 04:00 pm

    We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.

    No 8 year's of Obama Increased national debt more than all president's combined.

    You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost less.

    You watch we're definitely getting a wall.
    During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
    Coal mining jobs aren't coming back. #Sorrynotsorry
    #nottrue you don't read or get out much do you?
    For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year to do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of stock, which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give us some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored it and didn't say a word)

    I got a decent raise imediatly after and as a result of the tax cuts.
    Or she's really smart and has her finger on the pulse of America? 59% of Americans oppose the border wall.
    The Democrats are willing to work with Trump on border security, They're just not willing to waste money on a useless monument to his narcissim.

    Walls work.
    The vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country came here via boat or air. Many came here through official ports. Criminal elements won't be stopped by a wall, because criminals have money. Pay attention to the El Chapo trial, he didn't sling drugs across a wall-less border, he brought them in on submarine-like boats, or via air freight. Human Trafficking isn't much different.

    If by "best" you mean "worst" then I totally agree. Reagan was a shit president.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Monday, January 28, 2019 18:46:57
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Mon Jan 28 2019 04:15 pm

    You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are
    far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost
    less.

    You watch we're definitely getting a wall.

    Walls work.

    To quote your God-Emperor:
    https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Roadhog on Tuesday, January 29, 2019 14:20:00
    Roadhog wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Roadhog to DaiTengu on Sun Jan 27 2019 04:00 pm

    We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.

    No 8 year's of Obama Increased national debt more than all president's combined.

    You're not getting your wall. It's a giant waste of money. There are far more effective means of controlling illegal immigration that cost less.

    You watch we're definitely getting a wall.
    During Obama's presidency, 8.9 million jobs were created.
    Coal mining jobs aren't coming back. #Sorrynotsorry
    #nottrue you don't read or get out much do you?
    For the rich? Did you see how many corporations used that money this year
    o
    do stock-buy-backs? The company I work for bought-back $10,000,000 of
    tock,
    which made shareholders very happy, while they completely ignored the employee bonus plan. (They didn't have the common fucking courtesy to give
    s
    some bullshit reason why we weren't getting our bonuses, they just ignored
    t
    and didn't say a word)

    I got a decent raise imediatly after and as a result of the tax cuts.

    I agree!! I got more money, a bonus and a paid trip for the Wife and I to Hawaii.




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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Tuesday, January 29, 2019 19:54:00
    Actually all you need to do is check the facts, it is true we have the best unemployment rates in almost 30 years, jobs are coming back to the USA.

    We'll see. I'm pretty sure he's been riding Obama's coattails up until this point. The next two years though, are all him. Other than Regan, Republican presidents haven't had the greatest track record in job creation.

    So he is riding Obama's coattails until everything goes to crap? I don't
    buy it. What it if does not go to crap? What if he gets re-elected and it stays good for 8 years? Is that 8 years that Obama can take credit for?

    IMHO, what might make it go to crap "after this point" is the influx of left-leaning new Democrats in Congress. They seem less interested in job creation and more interested in getting us all on the dole.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 08:27:12
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Tue Jan 29 2019 07:54 pm

    So he is riding Obama's coattails until everything goes to crap? I don't buy it. What it if does not go to crap? What if he gets re-elected and it stays good for 8 years? Is that 8 years that Obama can take credit for?

    That's generally how it works with new presidencies. And let's be real. He's not getting another term. he has a 39% approval rating. If the Republicans want to keep control of the executive branch, they'll run a primary opponent against him.


    IMHO, what might make it go to crap "after this point" is the influx of left-leaning new Democrats in Congress. They seem less interested in job creation and more interested in getting us all on the dole.

    That's not even remotely true. Democrats don't want to get everyone dependant upon the government, that's some Alex Jones level bullshit right there.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 17:19:00
    So he is riding Obama's coattails until everything goes to crap? I don't >DW> buy it. What it if does not go to crap? What if he gets re-elected and it >DW> stays good for 8 years? Is that 8 years that Obama can take credit for?

    That's generally how it works with new presidencies. And let's be real. He's
    not getting another term. he has a 39% approval rating. If the Republicans want
    to keep control of the executive branch, they'll run a primary opponent against
    him.

    So, wait, the GW Bush economy started turning South before he hit 2 years (really, before he took office, but that is another story, another time).
    So, that was Bill Clinton's fault?

    That's not even remotely true. Democrats don't want to get everyone dependant
    upon the government, that's some Alex Jones level bullshit right there.

    I don't know who Alex Jones is. I can guarantee you that every Democrat I
    am related to is a socialist, though. I have at least two "friends" from
    my high school years that I cannot talk politics with because they are socialists and want that... and are also Democrats. I am also pretty sure that one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform.
    IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has Bernie at some point or another. If that won't get you dependent on the government nothing will.

    Find me a Democrat frontrunner for 2020 that hasn't made that part of their platform and I will point out a frontrunner that won't win the primaries.

    The only Democrats I know around here that DON'T want that DON'T vote for Democrats for President.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Thursday, January 31, 2019 10:01:44
    That's not even remotely true. Democrats don't want to get everyone dependant upon the government, that's some Alex Jones level bullshit right there.

    I don't know who Alex Jones is. I can guarantee you that every Democrat I
    am related to is a socialist, though. I have at least two "friends" from
    my high school years that I cannot talk politics with because they are socialists and want that... and are also Democrats. I am also pretty sure that one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform.
    IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has Bernie at some point or another. If that won't get you dependent on the government nothing will.

    Gavin Newsom wants state run healthcare for all including Illegal aliens and yes Kamala wants National healthcare for all.
    how the F do these idiot's get elected ? California is already near bankrupt because of Government pensions and the failed high speed rail and other fiscally irresponsible projects now they want to add free school free healthcare etc...
    NOTHING is free! it will be an even bigger tax burden on the upper and middle class.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ROADHOG on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:44:00
    Gavin Newsom wants state run healthcare for all including Illegal aliens and >yes Kamala wants National healthcare for all.
    how the F do these idiot's get elected ? California is already near bankrupt >because of Government pensions and the failed high speed rail and other >fiscally irresponsible projects now they want to add free school free >healthcare etc...
    NOTHING is free! it will be an even bigger tax burden on the upper and middle >class.

    I also live in a state that has financial issues (not as bad as Illinois
    did a year or two ago, but not good). With the exception of about 10
    years, it has been lead by Democrats since 1900. Our government
    pension issue has made national news. 16 years between 2 democrat
    governors, along with 4 of a basically do-nothing republican sandwiched between, and it went from being completely solvent and self-sufficient to
    being horribly underfunded. Democrat #1 figured out he could dip his hands
    in it, and the other two continued to do so. They handed money out for
    things like building an Obamacare website we didn't need (we could have
    done like other states and used the national one) and other stupid handouts
    to their cronies and donors, while not funding their obligation to the pension fund at all.

    Having a horribly funded pension does not just hurt state employees. It kills the state's bond ratings, which affects all other areas of
    government and their ability to get lines of credit. But the fisically-irresponsible democrats (and, let's face it, many local republicans, too) cannot figure that out -- or don't care.

    Now we have a republican that is actually trying to do something about it,
    and the teacher's union (a big time donor to the other side that benefited
    from some unguaranteed pension benefits that no one else got) threw a fit.
    It is in horrible condition but no one wants it fixed because they will
    lose their little piece of the ill-gotten gains handed out by the previous Democratic governors.

    He does not help matters because he, like Trump, has diarhea (sp?) of the
    mouth and likely won't be re-elected. So, we will have four years of the pension fund either not being raided, or actually being funded, and we will
    go back to the party that will pay lip-service to fixing it while dipping
    their hands back in it to give it out to those that did not earn it.

    The only way the Deomcrats don't win is if they somehow nominate someone totally incompetent of campaigning (what happened the last two times,
    including once that they should have been shoe-ins and took that for
    granted... Hillary could have learned from that one) or someone that has an even more-objectionable mouth than the current governor.

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to DUMAS WALKER on Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:05:00
    one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payer
    government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform. IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has
    Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to MATTHEW MUNSON on Saturday, February 09, 2019 17:56:09
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to DUMAS WALKER on Sat Feb 09 2019 12:05 pm

    one of the Democrat 2020 frontrunners, Kamala Harris, is promising single-payer
    government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part of her platform. IIRC, Ms. Ortez-Constanza has stated that is what she wants also, and so has
    Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.



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  • From HusTler@VERT/RETROBBS to All on Tuesday, February 12, 2019 17:46:05
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to DUMAS WALKER on Sat Feb 09 2019 12:05 pm

    single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part
    Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

    Is this the Religion SIG or am I confused again??? ;-)

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to HUSTLER on Wednesday, February 13, 2019 09:50:00
    single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part
    Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

    Is this the Religion SIG or am I confused again??? ;-)
    Sometimes government is a religion to some people, but that is
    subjective. I'll talk more about religion later tonight.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HUSTLER on Wednesday, February 13, 2019 19:10:00
    single-payer government healthcare, and no private insurance, as part
    Yes, your Kaiser health plan would be on the chopping bloc.

    Is this the Religion SIG or am I confused again??? ;-)

    No, somehow a religion discussion devolved into a political one. Sorry for
    my part in it. :)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to HusTler on Saturday, October 26, 2019 02:02:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 02:03 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 30 2019 01:03 pm

    Yes, let's try and stifle discussion in these low traffic echos!

    Yeah, genius idea.. Why didn't I think of that? ;)

    If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area c


    Havens BBS

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    My take on religious discussion includes lack of religion as part of the conversation. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Moondog on Monday, October 28, 2019 15:22:37
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Sat Oct 26 2019 02:02:00

    My take on religious discussion includes lack of religion as part of the conversation. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.

    YOU sir are CORRECT! :)

    There is a reason why we only have 1 mouth and 2 ears and eyes. It's so we can TAKE IN more information than we spew out.

    If everyone would talk less and listen/observe more then they would discover that virtually all of the big religious 'differences' are not differences at all. Everything is a matter of symantics. People using different words to mean the same thing and getting bent out of shape over it.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Lupine Furmen on Monday, October 28, 2019 22:03:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Lupine Furmen to Moondog on Mon Oct 28 2019 03:22 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Sat Oct 26 2019 02:02:00

    My take on religious discussion includes lack of religion as part of the conversation. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.

    YOU sir are CORRECT! :)

    There is a reason why we only have 1 mouth and 2 ears and eyes. It's so we c TAKE IN more information than we spew out.

    If everyone would talk less and listen/observe more then they would discover that virtually all of the big religious 'differences' are not differences at all. Everything is a matter of symantics. People using different words to me the same thing and getting bent out of shape over it.
    -+-

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    I was raised a Luthern. The main difference between the various Luthern
    synods is they can't agree on the recipe for potato salad.

    Even then it cooks down into two camps - Happy Lutherns and Dark Lutherns. Happy Lutherns smile and see everything as a blessing from Heaven. Dark Lutherns believe if you smile too much, God will think you have too much idle time, and give you more bad things to worry about.

    Happy Lutherns view the act of canning fruits as a means of putting away a
    bit of sunshine for a later day. Dark Lutherns believe you can't have enough fresh fruit all at once, so you must stuff it in a bottle, then store it in a dark cellar until a later time.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to HusTler on Monday, November 25, 2019 10:35:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2019 03:25 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 05:31 pm

    If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this are
    created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help

    As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion,
    and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.

    Indeed. You can even discuss religion if you are losing your religion...

    I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Cathol
    old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

    Havens BBS

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    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge of having faith.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Monday, November 25, 2019 10:46:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sun Nov 24 2019 02:13 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2019 03:25 pm

    I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of God As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

    I don't consider myself intensely religious, but even as we discover more ab

    There's also a conspiracy theory that some people believe the universe we li

    Nightfox


    When the Matrix first came out, there was alot of conversation about aspects
    of the film that resembled religious concepts. The same can be said about
    the how the force was introduced in Star Wars A New Hope.

    In both series, the protagonist lived his life is a daze, as if sleepwalking until the moment when they comitted themselves by blindly taking the leap
    into accepting there was something beyond their perception and understanding
    of reality. Several faiths have a concept of waking up from a dream or no longer walk around being blind to what else is out there.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Monday, November 25, 2019 14:21:38
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:35 am

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge of having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as people of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Monday, November 25, 2019 21:34:36
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm


    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as peopl of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.


    the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Monday, November 25, 2019 22:43:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:35 am

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are

    Nightfox


    I think there's alot of people who cannot or do not want to believe all we
    see is all there is, or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outside the realms of our reality created us that way.

    In the past, people let their leaders or kings step all over them, because the y believed this world was a test to get them in the door of a better place.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Moondog on Tuesday, November 26, 2019 07:17:21
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
    object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
    away the challenge having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
    There are

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because they can't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid of being alone? Why is faith so important. I may chose to believe I will see my dead loved ones again someday but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you have to have faith and if you don't you're a lost soul is just a myth in my book.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tuesday, November 26, 2019 08:32:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 09:34 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm


    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There a many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as pe of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.


    the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

    Please explain. I'm curious of your explanation.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:30:21
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

    I think there's alot of people who cannot or do not want to believe all we see is all there is,

    I think there's actually some truth to that idea. For instance, we only see a fraction of the total electromagnetic spectrum.. We don't see radio waves, for example. And we don't see things as small as atoms, but we know atoms exist. By "observable", I was thinking things that we may eventually need to build tools to observe if we can't observe it directly.

    or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of
    intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outside the realms of our reality created us that way.

    I'm not sure I feel any more comfort thinking we're here due to intelligent design or not.

    In the past, people let their leaders or kings step all over them, because the y believed this world was a test to get them in the door of a better place.

    :/

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tuesday, November 26, 2019 16:48:01
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 09:34 pm

    the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

    I didn't think you were a believer, after the back & forth you had with Tony Langdon not too long ago.

    Anyway, how do you observe God? What do you look for?

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to HusTler on Wednesday, November 27, 2019 00:23:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 07:17 am

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
    object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
    away the challenge having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
    There are

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you have to have faith and if y

    Havens BBS

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    I think some like to believe there is a plan, or a system of order that precedes the laws of man, a greater power that not only created us, but
    guides us and intervenes with natural events by way of prayer. From a
    historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limited
    understanding, but also establishes the ground rules for absolute laws that are over rule the laws created by men. It's comforting to believe you have
    an all knowing, all powerful being has got your back.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Moondog on Wednesday, November 27, 2019 06:54:12
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 12:23 am

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the

    historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limited


    This is where I believe is the root of it. Before Science were no explanations for mans curiousity. Then the God stuff explained them and now we have 100 variations of religion and worshiping the Gods. You get to pick and chose which one you like and follow. And that makes in the right one. Then someone else tells you OH no your wrong. Our religion is the only true religion. Yikes!

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  • From metalhead@VERT/ALKY to HusTler on Wednesday, November 27, 2019 20:09:00
    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because they ca n't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid

    Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles
    too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to metalhead on Wednesday, November 27, 2019 20:55:32
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: metalhead to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 08:09 pm

    Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.

    Crows? Monkeys? Dogs? Octopii? Pigs? Rabbits? Owls? Because all of thse are FAR more observant than humans.

    Cats too, but Cats just don't give a fuck.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to metalhead on Wednesday, November 27, 2019 21:22:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: metalhead to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 08:09 pm

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it becaus they ca n't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid

    Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.


    How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle
    unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture
    type stuff that has no way to go back and prove. Is life too short? Is the concept of an afterlife comforting opposed to the notion you have finite time to be who you are, and that's all you get?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Thursday, November 28, 2019 01:21:51
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to metalhead on Wed Nov 27 2019 09:22 pm

    How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

    If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some people could call it a miracle.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thursday, November 28, 2019 07:58:00
    Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-

    How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

    If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some
    people could call it a miracle.

    Heck, we call things miracles all the time, that are obviously
    *NOT* miracles.

    Best example I can think of is the "Miracle on Ice" which of
    course is simply a hockey game won by the USA over the Soviets in
    the 1980 Olympics. Certainly not expected, but by no means a
    "miracle". :-)



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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Thursday, November 28, 2019 10:53:44
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 2019 01:21 am

    How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

    If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some people could call it a miracle.

    There's a lot of unexplainable stuff in our world. That doesn't mean it's a miricle from God. And what's up with this afterlife stuff? Ask 100 people what it is and you get 100 different explainations. I'm not afraid to die. Maybe that's why I don't need a God in my life. When I die the pain will be gone. That's all that matters to me. I've been told by many many people God can take your pain away. Well that hasn't happened yet so I'm not banking on it at this point in my life. That would be like banking on Santa Clause showing up at my house Christmas Eve. ;-)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:48:07
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 07:17 am

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
    object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
    away the challenge having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
    There are

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the can't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid of being alone? Why is faith so important. I may chose to believe I will see my dead loved ones again someday but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you ha to have faith and if you don't you're a lost soul is just a myth in my book.


    my beliefs give me strength. they give me an advantage over people who lack that strength. i dont care if i have an afterlife or not. you should make the most of what time you have right now. and it IS a test. it's a test that rewards on the spot. adversity breeds character. sacrifice is rewarded.

    whether it's god or the universe or some alien dude, it just does.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:48:40
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2019 08:32 am


    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? Ther many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.


    the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

    Please explain. I'm curious of your explanation.


    i just did explain.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:50:29
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 10:30 am

    or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of
    intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outs the realms of our reality created us that way.

    I'm not sure I feel any more comfort thinking we're here due to intelligent design or not.


    i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entities, that makes stuff pretty scary.

    everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:50:48
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2019 04:48 pm

    I didn't think you were a believer, after the back & forth you had with Tony Langdon not too long ago.


    who?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:55:16
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 12:23 am

    I think some like to believe there is a plan, or a system of order that precedes the laws of man, a greater power that not only created us, but guides us and intervenes with natural events by way of prayer. From a historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limit
    understanding, but also establishes the ground rules for absolute laws that are over rule the laws created by men. It's comforting to believe you have an all knowing, all powerful being has got your back.


    i dont think that's the way most people that 'believe' feel. your hypothesis just seems like someone on the outside looking in.

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the population amongst other things?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:57:41
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 10:53 am

    what it is and you get 100 different explainations. I'm not afraid to die. Maybe that's why I don't need a God in my life. When I die the pain will be gone. That's all that matters to me. I've been told by many many people God


    your pain wont be gone. your pain will dwarf what you will experience
    because you are a non believer.

    you are going to be sodomized by pineapples.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thursday, November 28, 2019 13:30:02
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm

    i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entities, that makes stuff pretty scary.

    everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.

    Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessarily mean we're accountable to the creator?

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Thursday, November 28, 2019 17:37:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:55 pm


    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the population amongst other things?

    Yes, he killed an underserving, heathen population and chose who was to
    survive by appearing to Noah in the form of a burning bush. The others
    laughed at Noah and mocked God's demands.

    Interesting note is the story of a great flood also exists in other primitve texts of people of different faiths origins. I read that the epic of
    Gilgamesh contains a story where the hero meets an acient that tells a story o f a great flood.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, November 28, 2019 20:47:17
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 01:30 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm

    i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entitie that makes stuff pretty scary.

    everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.

    Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessar mean we're accountable to the creator?


    it depends on the creator's mood
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Mro on Friday, November 29, 2019 07:03:56
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Friday, November 29, 2019 07:17:25
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 08:47 pm

    Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that
    necessar mean we're accountable to the creator?


    it depends on the creator's mood


    Exactly. I'm not interested in worshiping a God with Bipolar disorder and floods the world cause he/she gets in a bad mood. However whatever happened it scared the shit out of people and changed their behaviors so I guess some good came out of it. Even if the whole thing was a myth.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Mro on Friday, November 29, 2019 07:19:30
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about a boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Friday, November 29, 2019 13:32:00
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 01:30 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm

    i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entitie that makes stuff pretty scary.

    everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.

    Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessar

    Nightfox

    If you look at the old testament of the bible or texts of early faiths,
    worship is demanded as a form of giving thanks, and an avenue to receiving a place in the afterlife.

    Non-believers and worshippers of false idols were somehow destroyed or killed
    off by plagues, weather, burnt as in the story of Sodom and Gemmorah, or
    even slain by angels during passover.

    In religion of a generic nature, the gods are regarded as being jealous, and needy of worship to exist. They demand obedience to the rules they establish for man to follow. As mentioned in another thread, in the origin fo faiths,
    I think some rules were created by man and attributed to coming from superior beings as a way to ensure they are not broken or treated seriously if broken.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Saturday, November 30, 2019 00:31:37
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:03 am

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

    Reminds me of the debate between Ken Ham (devout Christian who built the Noah's Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argument about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical response was "Were you there?"

    Nightfox

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  • From smartyhall@VERT/CYTOPIA to Nightfox on Saturday, December 07, 2019 05:25:09
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 30 2019 12:31 am

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:03 am

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

    Reminds me of the debate between Ken Ham (devout Christian who built the Noah's Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argument about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical response was "Were you there?"

    Nightfox

    That was a painful one to watch! It's always been problemating for me, since I have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science. Plus, who doesn't LOVE Bill Nye?!? Ken Ham, however, is a bit of a nutter. :-P

    Watching people like Mr. Ham who seem to always go into debates with chips on their shoulders and then procede to "debate" past the other party instead of with them only ever seems to drive both sides further into their trenches.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to smartyhall on Saturday, December 07, 2019 12:12:14
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: smartyhall to Nightfox on Sat Dec 07 2019 05:25 am

    That was a painful one to watch! It's always been problemating for me, since I have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science.

    I don't see why they can't coexist. Science just shows how the world/universe works, and if you're a believer, it shows the detail of God's design.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Friday, November 29, 2019 14:15:24
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:19 am

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding tha can't be validated. Something about a boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

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    i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

    btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunch.
    but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof that i didnt eat anything.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, November 30, 2019 16:41:11
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 30 2019 12:31 am

    Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argum about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical


    bill nye? you mean that idiot failed comedian/jogger who goes on tv and pretends to be a scientist?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to smartyhall on Saturday, December 07, 2019 20:32:52
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: smartyhall to Nightfox on Sat Dec 07 2019 05:25 am

    have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science. Plus, who does LOVE Bill Nye?!? Ken Ham, however, is a bit of a nutter. :-P


    i dont love bill nye. dude is a lunatic.
    he pretend married a lady because he had bad credit just for a house.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Monday, December 23, 2019 13:13:55
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Nov 29 2019 02:15 pm

    i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

    btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunch. but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof that i didnt eat anything.

    How about validated by science? Is that better? I'm not sure science can validate what you had for lunch but I'm sure they could prove one way or another whether some guy built a big boat, gathered two of every animal, bird, lizard and whatever else. Then keep them alive until the water receded and when it did let em all go. Oh yea ... this is where miracles come in. How convienent for all the religions. Whenever something can't be explained it becomes a miracle. The whole thing insults my intelligence. You would think after 2020 years a better story could be told. ;-)

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to HusTler on Monday, December 30, 2019 13:20:12
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to MRO on Mon Dec 23 2019 01:13 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Nov 29 2019 02:15 pm

    i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

    btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunc but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof th i didnt eat anything.

    How about validated by science? Is that better? I'm not sure science can va n keep them alive until the water receded and when it did let em all go. Oh
    You would think after 2020 years a better story could be told. ;-)

    H A V E N S B B S havens.synchro.net:23


    Validated by Science?
    What does that mean.

    Seems to me most things that science validates, science later un-validates. Truth in Earth terms does not = truth beyond Earth.

    I take little stock in science that tries to expland things beyond our planet.


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  • From Sprite@VERT/TINTETBB to Zombie Mambo on Monday, December 30, 2019 17:17:49
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Zombie Mambo to HusTler on Mon Dec 30 2019 13:20:12

    Validated by Science?
    What does that mean.

    Validation by the scientific method.

    Seems to me most things that science validates, science later un-validates. Truth in Earth terms does not = truth beyond Earth.

    What you're thinking of as 'science', the same as the 'scientific method', above, is not. You're thinking of 'theoretical science', which oftentimes ends up as pure mathematical masturbation, as equivalent to proven science. The two are very different. It's not an uncommon mistake, either.

    I take little stock in science that tries to expland things beyond our planet.

    Probably a good thing. I mean I don't doubt that we've got a lot of postulated experimental results dead on, but probably for the wrong reasons, and the farther you get from anything we've properly modeled in a laboratory, the more math has just built on math that has no empirical evidence behind it. Thus it gets to be a hell of a lot farther from reality if anybody missed a sign or something in an equation. ;) Or even if they just didn't get the abstraction dead on or the constant rounded to the right place...
    It's a shame that so many people judge science on the merits of theoretical science, though. The media and educational system should really make more distinctions a lot more obvious.

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