So to my question I guess. Is it common for someone who's not religious to be heavily involved in the church? I was told by the assistant rector once that they were open to everyone regardless of faith, just I couldn't join the vestry or some other roles which I'm fine with. But is anyone else in this boat or know of anyone who is ? Just seems like I'm the only one in our church, so just curious.
So to my question I guess. Is it common for someone who's not religious be heavily involved in the church? I was told by the assistant rector on that they were open to everyone regardless of faith, just I couldn't join the vestry or some other roles which I'm fine with. But is anyone else in this boat or know of anyone who is ? Just seems like I'm the only one in our church, so just curious.
I'm entirely an antheist and, while I can't say that I'm "active" in a churc I have taken some part in activities and whatnot. I don't think it's an issu think of it more as a civic, social, or community organization. As long as they're cool with it, and you're cool with it, then it shouldn't matter whet you're baptized or an official member of their faith or not.
Greetings. This forum doesn't appear to be very active, but I hoped to ask a question if anyone still watches it. Basically I consider myself agnostic, I wasn't raised around any faith or church, and to be honest I've always kinda just poked fun at religion and the concept of it. I had friends who were religious, but for me it was more or less one of the many social groups that we just didn't partake in.
So in the last few years our kids have started attending an Episcopal based school that I actually like! The classes are very good, balanced, and though they have chapel a couple times a week it's left in chapel and not brought into the classroom. So no dinosaurs running along side men in science class for example. Our community just doesn't have a good track record with public schools. After the kids being involved with the school for a couple of years we've gotten active in the church.
My wife was reaffirmed and my daughter has been baptized. Our son is still young to make this decision, and me... well I think they see me as a conundrum. I'm very active, I've just started getting a blessing each Sunday (never been baptized), and I volunteer as much as I can. We've gotten to know the rector and other clergy rather well, and we've started
to become integrated into the church. I'm the only one though that
probably hasn't been baptized and I don't keep it a secret though I don't
go telling everyone. We were taking some classes over the summer with
other adults from the church when the rector talked about the history of baptism and just asked if anyone hadn't been baptized... assuming not to
get any hands. Well mine was the only one that went up.
So to my question I guess. Is it common for someone who's not religious to be heavily involved in the church? I was told by the assistant rector once that they were open to everyone regardless of faith, just I couldn't join the vestry or some other roles which I'm fine with. But is anyone else in this boat or know of anyone who is ? Just seems like I'm the only one in our church, so just curious.
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Greetings. This forum doesn't appear to be very active, but I hoped to ask a question if anyone still watches it. Basically I consider myself agnostic, I wasn't raised around any faith or church, and to be honest I've always kinda just poked fun at religion and the concept of it. I
had friends who were religious, but for me it was more or less one of
the many social groups that we just didn't partake in.
So in the last few years our kids have started attending an Episcopal based school that I actually like! The classes are very good,
balanced, and though they have chapel a couple times a week it's left
in chapel and not brought into the classroom. So no dinosaurs running along side men in science class for example. Our community just
doesn't have a good track record with public schools. After the kids being involved with the school for a couple of years we've gotten
active in the church.
My wife was reaffirmed and my daughter has been baptized. Our son is
still young to make this decision, and me... well I think they see me
as a conundrum. I'm very active, I've just started getting a blessing each Sunday (never been baptized), and I volunteer as much as I can.
We've gotten to know the rector and other clergy rather well, and we've started to become integrated into the church. I'm the only one though that probably hasn't been baptized and I don't keep it a secret though
I don't go telling everyone. We were taking some classes over the
summer with other adults from the church when the rector talked about
the history of baptism and just asked if anyone hadn't been baptized... assuming not to get any hands. Well mine was the only one that went up.
So to my question I guess. Is it common for someone who's not
religious to be heavily involved in the church? I was told by the assistant rector once that they were open to everyone regardless of
faith, just I couldn't join the vestry or some other roles which I'm
fine with. But is anyone else in this boat or know of anyone who is ?
Just seems like I'm the only one in our church, so just curious.
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So to my question I guess. Is it common for someone who's not religious to be heavily involved in the church?
When I was a teen, I had a friend that was LDS (Mormon) and I would occasionally attend services with him (though we didn't really pay any attention and would slip out to do whatever else we could get away with) - still, it didn't seem that unlike the Christian services I attended before and the members all spoke and acted "normal" (to me). I even performed
So to my question I guess. Is it common for someone who's not religious to be heavily involved in the church? I was told by the assistant rector once that they were open to everyone regardless of faith, just I couldn't join the vestry or some other roles which I'm fine with. But is anyone else in this boat or know of anyone who is ? Just seems like I'm the only one in our church, so just curious.
their
lyric presentations are concerned. It's then that I remember, this is not my circus. There was a time when people in their place would hunt people like me down
and kill them, so I keep my distance. I smile, shake hands, and be cordial. That's
just me.
i dont know of one case where paganism or satanism has turned a person into a better person, but there are many cases where mainstream religion has turned some horrible people into good people.
So to my question I guess. Is it common for someone who's not religious to be heavily involved in the church? I was told by the assistant rector once
Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying churchnot
By: Draco to sam on Sun Sep 02 2018 12:20 pm
their
lyric presentations are concerned. It's then that I remember, this is
my circus. There was a time when people in their place would hunt people like me down
and kill them, so I keep my distance. I smile, shake hands, and be cordial. That's
just me.
just remember that YOU are not like people back then and neither are they. and whether you believe in it or not, it might help you regardless.
i dont know of one case where paganism or satanism has turned a person into a better person, but there are many cases where mainstream religion has turned some horrible people into good people.
dont see them as the enemy or misguided. EVERYONE is misguided. everyone
is stupid. take the good from it and learn.
I'm glad if a religion makes someone a better person, but I tend to be suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a better person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person out of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better if a person is a good
You see, I don't see it that way. Listening to the sermons the past couple of months, I hear a lot of fear, shame, and that they will never be good enough. There's a lot of psychological word play at work, and it's not necessarily a good thing. It's like an abusive relationship where someone is mental beaten into submission. If fear of the afterlife is the only thing
I fear no one and no god, not even Death. Does this make me a bad person?
i dont know of one case where paganism or satanism has turned a person into a better person, but there are many cases where mainstream religio has turned some horrible people into good people.
I've heard that through the middle ages, Christians have tried to make Pagan sound like a bad thing when it isn't necessarily a bad religion. I've heard Christians even took some of the Pagan holidays and made them their own, or part of their own. For instance, I think I've heard Christmas was originall Pagan winter solstice holiday, and Jesus' birthday is not even known for sur to be December 25th.
I'm glad if a religion makes someone a better person, but I tend to be suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a better person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person out of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better if a person is a good per because that's who they are naturally, regardless of their religion. If someone has learned from their religion and chose to be a better person, the that's good, I suppose.
I've heard that through the middle ages, Christians have tried to make
Pagan sound like a bad thing when it isn't necessarily a bad religion.
I've heard Christians even took some of the Pagan holidays and made
them their own, or part of their own. For instance, I think I've
heard Christmas was originall Pagan winter solstice holiday, and
Jesus' birthday is not even known for sur to be December 25th.
The church that I am in believes some of the holidays (e.g. Halloween, Christmas, New Year's, Valentines, etc.) are pegan by origin and the Catholic just adopted those holidays to draw more Pegabs in. We have nothing to do with said holidays. However, Thanksgiving, Mother's/Father's Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, and Labor Day is national in origin we keep those.
i have been to church for many years and i never heard anything about fear and shame and that people will never be good enough.
On 09-02-18 18:55, MRO wrote to Draco <=-
i dont know of one case where paganism or satanism has turned a person into a better person, but there are many cases where mainstream
religion has turned some horrible people into good people.
dont see them as the enemy or misguided. EVERYONE is misguided.
everyone is stupid. take the good from it and learn.
Agree, we're all learning and making mistakes during our time in this world.
On 09-03-18 15:30, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I've heard that through the middle ages, Christians have tried to make Paganism sound like a bad thing when it isn't necessarily a bad
religion. I've heard Christians even took some of the Pagan holidays
and made them their own, or part of their own. For instance, I think
I've heard Christmas was originally a Pagan winter solstice holiday,
and Jesus' birthday is not even known for sure to be December 25th.
I'm glad if a religion makes someone a better person, but I tend to be suspicious of that. If a religion is what makes someone a better
person, I have to wonder if the person is only being a good person out
of fear that they'll be punished otherwise. It would be better if a
person is a good person because that's who they are naturally,
regardless of their religion. If someone has learned from their
religion and chose to be a better person, then that's good, I suppose.
On 09-03-18 15:35, Nightfox wrote to sam <=-
I suppose it's not uncommon. I was not raised with a religion, but I
have attended church with friends & relatives who are religions. I
thought it was interesting, although since I had never studied the
bible or anything when I was growing up, it almost felt strange being
in church, like a different culture than I grew up in. I might feel a little strange spending a whole lot of time in church, as the other
people there might assume I have the same level of convictions and
belief that they do, but I suppose I'd get used to it.
On 09-03-18 20:38, Draco wrote to MRO <=-
You see, I don't see it that way. Listening to the sermons the past
couple of months, I hear a lot of fear, shame, and that they will never
be good enough. There's a lot of psychological word play at work, and
it's not necessarily a good thing. It's like an abusive relationship
where someone is mental beaten into submission. If fear of the
afterlife is the only thing keeping one in line, how truly "good" is
that person.
I fear no one and no god, not even Death. Does this make me a bad
person? According to Judaeo-based beliefs, I am. I was told just
yesterday "You could decide not to be (Pagan) and you'd enjoy it more." It's not a choice. I am what and who I am. If I turn my back on my ancestors and gods, who in their right mind would trust me?
On 09-04-18 17:27, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I saw a meme online recently that said "Good judgement comes from experience. And experience? Well that comes from poor judgement."
Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: Draco to MRO on Mon Sep 03 2018 08:38 pm
You see, I don't see it that way. Listening to the sermons the past couple of months, I hear a lot of fear, shame, and that they will never be good enough. There's a lot of psychological word play at work, and it's not necessarily a good thing. It's like an abusive relationship where someone is mental beaten into submission. If fear of the afterlife is the only thing
maybe you hear that because that's what you are looking to hear. if you're looking to find something, you will find it.
i have been to church for many years and i never heard anything about fear and shame and that people will never be good enough.
person?I fear no one and no god, not even Death. Does this make me a bad
well it makes you a liar. because everyone is afraid of something. especially death. death is a scarey fucking thing to face.
On 09-11-18 11:01, Draco wrote to MRO <=-
Death isn't scary. It is inevitable. We will all die. It will happen.
Why fear it?
For me, the harder part to get my head around is what happens to the consciousness/soul/essence of living things at death. And there's no science I know of that can answer that question - only religious and spiritual beliefs have anything tangible to offer here. Of course, we may simply cease to exist in a spiritual sense too. Who knows?
On 09-03-18 20:38, Draco wrote to MRO <=-
You see, I don't see it that way. Listening to the sermons the past couple of months, I hear a lot of fear, shame, and that they will
never
be good enough. There's a lot of psychological word play at work, and it's not necessarily a good thing. It's like an abusive relationship where someone is mental beaten into submission. If fear of the afterlife is the only thing keeping one in line, how truly "good" is that person.
To me, that's the power games that the hierarchy use. I don't have a lot
of time for that. My sense of good comes from within, and I hold myself to the same standards as anyone else, actually higher, because I am the only person I have control over, and therefore I feel it's best to lead by example.
I fear no one and no god, not even Death. Does this make me a bad person? According to Judaeo-based beliefs, I am. I was told just
In my book, no, it doesn't matter what you believe. What matters is how
you treat everything around you - whether you're self serving or working with some higher purpose (others, community, truth, justice, environment, etc) in mind.
yesterday "You could decide not to be (Pagan) and you'd enjoy it
more."
It's not a choice. I am what and who I am. If I turn my back on my ancestors and gods, who in their right mind would trust me?
And that I can fully understand.
I've come to where I am through my own spiritual journey. I started around 30 years ago from a familiar place - Christianity, as I was raised Church
of
England. However, I drifted away from the church and went on my own journey. Part of that journey is to understand other belief systems, as well as accepting them, which I've been fairly successful at.
And I'm happier now. I feel I've been able to do my own exploration, and gain insights that I wouldn't have otherwise. I would have been a lot more constrained by the church in some ways, while having more "excuses" to do harm.
Instead, if I do wrong, I have no one or nothing to hide behind. I have
to
take responsibility for my wrongs. As for what happens when I die, I'll find out when I get there. I hope that I've been able to leave the world a better place than I found it when that day comes.
On 09-11-18 17:23, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm not sure anyone really knows for sure what happens to us after we
die. The different religions seem to have varying ideas on that. Some say our soul goes to heaven or hell depending on how we've lived our
life, and others say our spirit gets reincarnated into better or worse circumstances for similar reasons (depending on how we've lived our
life, they say we develop good or bad karma). I have a hard time with this, because the true believers all believe they're right, but the
fact that there are differing ideas on it tells me we don't really know for sure. There are also those who believe there is not enough information to say that we have a soul that goes on after death, so perhaps we just cease to exist. It seems to me there is probably more
to this universe than we percieve, so I'm not sure there is enough information to be confident about that conclusion either.
I have a similar thing about the existence of God. I don't believe it's possible to determine (in a scientific sense) if God exists, so to me, the existance of God (or many gods) will always be a matter of belief. I don't believe in such a deity myself, though I do believe there is something much bigger that connects everything across the Universe. But I doubt I'll know anything until I die (assuming something goes on after death). :)
On 09-12-18 14:35, Draco wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I come from a similar mindset. My sense of right and wrong comes from holding myself to a higher standard and higher accountability. Ethics based on experience and my own nature.
Exactly. I agree. Your actions speak louder than words, and even louder than belief. I feel my purpose is to teach and protect. I see a lot of self-serving going on in society right now, and it disgusts me.
I come from a Roman Catholic upbringing, but I knew very early in life that was not my spiritual home. I too, have gone on a spiritual
journey. It has lead me to where I am now, and has been quite
successful.
I admire you. All too often people will hide their misdeeds behind religion. They blame the "devil" for the bad that happens to them, and their god for everything good that happens to them. Rarely do they ever actually take credit themselves, or place it where it's due. I guess
it's easier to place credit with gods, than taking it upon yourself,
but then there's no responsibility or accountability either. In
essence, they're cheating themselves out of everything and giving
credit away that they deserve. I don't see the function or reasoning behind it, other than control.
I'm also happier now. I've shed the weight of religious control, and am free to explore as I see fit. My friend, I hope we all leave the world
a better place.
On 09-12-18 16:38, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
One thing that bugs me a little is those who try to tell you you're
going to go to hell if you don't accept Jesus in your heart and accept
him as your God and savior. It's fine to believe that, but if we don't really know for sure, I'm not sure it makes much sense to go around telling people that unless they are a Christian perhaps. Otherwise you may end up giving people a guilt trip, or they'll just dismiss it.
I admire you. All too often people will hide their misdeeds behind religion. They blame the "devil" for the bad that happens to them, and their god for everything good that happens to them. Rarely do they ever actually take credit themselves, or place it where it's due. I guess it's easier to place
themselves out of everything and giving credit away that they deserve. I don't see the function or reasoning behind it, other than control.
I have a similar thing about the existence of God. I don't believe it's possible to determine (in a scientific sense) if God exists, so to me, the existance of God (or many gods) will always be a matter of belief. I don't
I fear no one and no god, not even Death. Does this make me a bad person?I don't fear death itself, I just fear the form in which the process will manifest.
well it makes you a liar. because everyone is afraid of something. especially death. death is a scarey fucking thing to face.
Many Christian churches preach a fear of the afterlife in the form of Hell. A fear from being separated from their god. "We're all sinners! We're not worthy of Him!" That's so degrading and shaming, and meant to instill insecurity for being human. WTF? Maybe you don't see it thatI am sorry you feel that way. Some people deliver messages like that too bluntly at times and comes across as being extremely judgemental.
way, but being conditioned to such patterns is a sign of abuse.
spiritual beliefs have anything tangible to offer here. Of course, weI would rather live my life believing there are eternal consequences to my actions and dieing and finding out that theres none than to live my life without any moral compass and finding out that there are eternal consequences.
may simply cease to exist in a spiritual sense too. Who knows?
I'm not sure anyone really knows for sure what happens to us after weIn the Christian faith, where a soul goes after passing on depends on whether or not that individual has accepted Christs death on the cross. (John 14:6)
die. The different religions seem to have varying ideas on that. Some say our soul goes to heaven or hell depending on how we've lived our
life, and others say our spirit gets reincarnated into better or worse
circumstances for similar reasons (depending on how we've lived ourI personally believe that we are created in God's image so that means were created with an eternal nature. (Gen 1:26)
life, they say we develop good or bad karma). I have a hard time with this, because the true believers all believe they're right, but the
fact that there are differing ideas on it tells me we don't really know for sure. There are also those who believe there is not enough information to say that we have a soul that goes on after death, so perhaps we just cease to exist. It seems to me there is probably more
to this universe than we percieve, so I'm not sure there is enough information to be confident about that conclusion either.
One thing that bugs me a little is those who try to tell you you'reWell, anyone who walks up to you and says your going to hell, just turn around and tell them "see you there!" :) Then quote them ---> (Rom 3:23) <---
going to go to hell if you don't accept Jesus in your heart and accept
him as your God and savior. It's fine to believe that, but if we don't really know for sure, I'm not sure it makes much sense to go around telling people that unless they are a Christian perhaps. Otherwise you may end up giving people a guilt trip, or they'll just dismiss it.
-=[ On 09-04-18 00:48, MRO wrote to Draco below: ]=-
-=[ Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church ]=-
Hi MRO!
I fear no one and no god, not even Death. Does this make me a bad person?
well it makes you a liar. because everyone is afraid of something. especially death. death is a scarey fucking thing to face.I don't fear death itself, I just fear the form in which the process will manifest.
Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: Draco to Vk3jed on Wed Sep 12 2018 02:35 pm
I admire you. All too often people will hide their misdeeds behind religion. They blame the "devil" for the bad that happens to them, and their god for everything good that happens to them. Rarely do they ever actually take credit themselves, or place it where it's due. I guess
it's easier to place
i've known a lot of religious nuts, but not once have they blamed the devil for anything.
i dont see anything wrong with them thanking god for good fortune. it's not hurting anybody. if they decide to give credit to god, let them.
themselves out of everything and giving credit away that they deserve. I don't see the function or reasoning behind it, other than control.
i think you have a bias against religion and see things in a way to compliment your bias. dont put yourself into a situation where you visit a church unless you are going to be open minded. you wasted your time.
On 09-12-18 14:35, Draco wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I come from a similar mindset. My sense of right and wrong comes from holding myself to a higher standard and higher accountability. Ethics based on experience and my own nature.
I can relate totally.
Exactly. I agree. Your actions speak louder than words, and even
louder than belief. I feel my purpose is to teach and protect. I see a lot of self-serving going on in society right now, and it disgusts me.
Yes, it's what you do and why you do it that counts. I see the self
serving too, and am equally disgusted.
I come from a Roman Catholic upbringing, but I knew very early in life that was not my spiritual home. I too, have gone on a spiritual journey. It has lead me to where I am now, and has been quite successful.
Seems for both of us, our religious upbringings were a useful starting
point for our journeys. My journey has worked out pretty well too.
I admire you. All too often people will hide their misdeeds behind religion. They blame the "devil" for the bad that happens to them, and their god for everything good that happens to them. Rarely do they
ever actually take credit themselves, or place it where it's due. I guess it's easier to place credit with gods, than taking it upon yourself, but then there's no responsibility or accountability either.
Yes, too many people use religion as an excuse, and lose all insight into what's actually driving them. Instead of looking at the internal
motivating factors, they look to external reasons, and abdicate all responsibility as a result.
essence, they're cheating themselves out of everything and giving credit away that they deserve. I don't see the function or reasoning behind it, other than control.
For some, it's control, for others, it's like a crutch to lean on.
I'm also happier now. I've shed the weight of religious control, and
am free to explore as I see fit. My friend, I hope we all leave the world a better place.
I'm happier too. I have not forgotten the role religion has played in my life to start the journey, and while I know it's not the answer for me, I respect different beliefs. And yet, let's improve this world. I still
have a lot of time left here (I hope! :) ).
-=[ On 09-11-18 11:01, Draco wrote to MRO below: ]=-
-=[ Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church ]=-
Hi Draco!
Many Christian churches preach a fear of the afterlife in the form of Hell. A fear from being separated from their god. "We're all sinners! We're not worthy of Him!" That's so degrading and shaming, and meant
to instill insecurity for being human. WTF? Maybe you don't see it
that way, but being conditioned to such patterns is a sign of abuse.
I am sorry you feel that way. Some people deliver messages like that too bluntly at times and comes across as being extremely judgmental.
Scripture can't be debated, only ones interpretation of it ;)
well it makes you a liar. because everyone is afraid of something.
especially death. death is a scarey fucking thing to face.
I don't fear death itself, I just fear the form in which the process will manifest.
I would rather live my life believing there are eternal consequences to my actions and dieing and finding out that theres none than to live my life without any moral compass and finding out that there are eternal consequences.
On 10-05-18 20:57, Argelian wrote to Vk3jed <=-
spiritual beliefs have anything tangible to offer here. Of course, we
may simply cease to exist in a spiritual sense too. Who knows?
I would rather live my life believing there are eternal consequences to
my actions and dieing and finding out that theres none than to live my life without any moral compass and finding out that there are eternal consequences.
On 10-10-18 10:36, Draco wrote to Vk3jed <=-ty right now, and it disgustsme.
Yes, it's what you do and why you do it that counts. I see the self
serving too, and am equally disgusted.
It's nice to know I'm not alone. :)
I agree, it does seem that our religious upbringings did play a vital
role on our journeys. I'm glad your journey is working out for you
also.
I've seen this a lot. Externalizing one's accomplishments can't be good for the psyche either.
I can agree with this. My friend definitely uses religion as her
crutch. She bounces between no less than 5 different pastors for
advice, and can't wait to tell them her latest attention grab (lately
it's been a suicide).
I haven't forgotten the part religion has played in shaping my views,
and certain thought patterns in some religions aren't for me.
Currently, I'm on a Pagan-ish path, with a Norse twist (ancestry has always been important to me and my family). I agree, this world is in
need of betterment. :) I'm attempting to achieve just that, despite the obstacles placed in the way. I'm looking forward to many years myself,
and I hope we both get them!
Well met my friend!
I don't believe you need an organised religion to have a moral compass, just a well developed sense of spirituality.
In fact, I see many people
who use religion as an _excuse_ to do evil things, which can be very insidious, because it can legitimise evil in the eyes of some. Things from ostracision and bollying to murder and genocide have been done in the name of religion over the centuries.
On 10-10-18 13:19, Nightfox wrote to Argelian <=-
meet, and your children (if you have any), etc., who will outlive you.
I'd rather leave the world with something good that I have contributed
in some way.
On 10-10-18 17:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm not sure you even necessarily need to have a sense of spirituality
to have good morals. To me, "spirituality" implies a sense of belief
in an everlasting spirit, possible belief in a god, etc. (maybe I'm wrong). I think you can still know right and wrong even if you don't believe in spiritual things.
Yeah, I've heard the same. I've also heard of people who have said
they believe interracial marriage is wrong and said it's because of the bible. I'd like to know the bible passage(s) they think supports that belief. I've never really read or studied the bible, so I couldn't
think of it off the top of my head, but I'd have a hard time believing that the bible would say interracial marriage is wrong. I'd tend to
think God would want us all to learn to get along..
There are plenty out there. My friend sure blamed him, almost on a manic paranoid level.
i dont see anything wrong with them thanking god for good fortune. it's not hurting anybody. if they decide to give credit to god, let them.
I don't see it as health. It feeds into the dependence on their god and church for everything. Dependence on the church leaves people open for abuse.
I don't have a bias against religion, there are plenty of religions that don't control their followers. I have a bias against controlling organizations and misinformation. This not only includes controlling religions, but also
fascists governments as well.
I'm the same, I don't fear death itself, I just hope I die in a peaceful and painless way. There's also the possible issue of not doing all the things you want to do before you die, but I still don't fear death itself. I know I'm not going to live forever.
Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: Nightfox to Argelian on Wed Oct 10 2018 01:15 pm
I'm the same, I don't fear death itself, I just hope I die in a peaceful and painless way. There's also the possible issue of not doing all the things you want to do before you die, but I still don't fear death
itself. I know I'm not going to live forever.
if you found out you had cancer and had six months to live, you would FEAR death and realize that you took life for granted and see everything in another light. atleast i hope you would.
if you found out you had cancer and had six months to live, you would FEAR death and realize that you took life for granted and see everything in another light. atleast i hope you would.
I don't understand why you would want someone to spend the last days of thier life in fear and regret.
I don't understand why you would want someone to spend the last days of thier life in fear and regret.
it would show the person is a human being instead of an emotionless husk.
Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: MRO to Clifra on Fri Oct 26 2018 04:18 pm
I don't understand why you would want someone to spend the last days of thier life in fear and regret.
it would show the person is a human being instead of an emotionless husk.
"Humanity is defined by that which we fear!"
This so the kind of thinking that s the reason the world is so screwed up!
"Humanity is defined by that which we fear!"
who are you quoting?
This so the kind of thinking that s the reason the world is so screwed
up!
no , it shows what you value and shows your character. you are too biased
to see anything else than your own fear.
No bias, not sure what bias has to do with the subject. My point is I and other are not ruled by fear. We do not fear the unknown. That is a basic flaw of humanity, fear, hatred and hostility to that which they do not know
Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: Draco to MRO on Wed Oct 10 2018 10:12 am
There are plenty out there. My friend sure blamed him, almost on a manic paranoid level.
well he is crazy, that's not the way normal people are.
i dont see anything wrong with them thanking god for good fortune. it's not hurting anybody. if they decide to give credit to god, let them.
I don't see it as health. It feeds into the dependence on their god and church for everything. Dependence on the church leaves people open for abuse.
i've known a lot of church going people and they are doing fine.
I don't have a bias against religion, there are plenty of religions that don't control their followers. I have a bias against controlling organizations and misinformation. This not only includes controlling religions, but also
fascists governments as well.
well, spend less time thinking about it.
That's generally how it works with new presidencies. And let's be real. He's not getting another term. he has a 39% approval rating. If the Republicans want to keep control of the executive branch, they'll run a primary opponent against him.
That's not even remotely true. Democrats don't want to get everyone dependant upon the government, that's some Alex Jones level bullshit right there.Oh really? Look at Gavin Newsome wanting to force california into a state ran health care system, and Kamala Harris would like to do the same on the feseral level.
death and realize that you took life for granted and see everything in another light. atleast i hope you would.
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Oct 11 2018 20:08:55
You may see in a differnt light, but do not shine that flashlight in peop
notice you are replying to a msg from october 2018
Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
By: MRO to Porosz on Mon Aug 26 2019 04:16 pm
notice you are replying to a msg from october 2018
And?
notice you are replying to a msg from october 2018
And?
AND, i dont want to dig up old discussions from a year ago. it's stupid and pointless.
AND, i dont want to dig up old discussions from a year ago. it's
stupid and pointless.
Yes, let's try and stifle discussion in these low traffic echos!
Yes, let's try and stifle discussion in these low traffic echos!
Yeah, genius idea.. Why didn't I think of that? ;)
If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help Allah? What?
Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help Allah? What?
As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion,
and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.
... Facts cannot prevail against faith, or adamant folly.
Lupine Furmen wrote to Gamgee <=-
... Facts cannot prevail against faith, or adamant folly.
Facts trump Faith EVERY time! Faith is having a belief in
something and HOPING that it's true. Facts are true regardless if
you believe in them or not. -+-
If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area
created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help
As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion,
and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.
Indeed. You can even discuss religion if you are losing your
religion...
I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of God. As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)
On 11-24-19 15:25, HusTler wrote to Gamgee <=-
I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of
God. As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard
time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)
I could be considered an agnostic athiest. I don't believe in a deity, but I also believe it's not possible to scientifically prove or disprove the existence of a deity, or whether the Universe is really the Matrix, because such things come from outside our reality, beyond our ability to detect them.
On 11-26-19 22:55, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Scientists/physicists these days have String Theory, which seems to be related to multiverse theory. I imagine scientists may eventually come
up with a way to prove or disprove that. If multiverse theory is true
and proven true, then that would mean we would have a way to detect something outside of our reality (or at least our universe).
Scientists/physicists these days have String Theory, which seems to be relat to multiverse theory. I imagine scientists may eventually come up with a wa to prove or disprove that. If multiverse theory is true and proven true, th that would mean we would have a way to detect something outside of our reali (or at least our universe).
i dont know if anybody else has experience this, but if i ever have a near death accident where i get out of it, like a near miss car accident, or whatever.. i have a feeling that someplace else the opposite happened and i can almost feel what it's like over there.
i think everything is connected somehow, so maybe i am feeling some multiverse cause and effect.
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