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Re: PHP
By: Stevechoi to All on Sat Mar 08 2008 10:13:10

 Do you like to use PHP
I don't think it is easy for me to learn PHP

PHP is a great language. Is it your first or do you have experience with another web development type language?

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Re: PHP
By: Trash80 to Stevechoi on Sat Mar 08 2008 20:51:00

PHP is a great language.

As high-level languages go, it's a steaming pile of shite.

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Re: PHP
By: Trash80 to Stevechoi on Sat Mar 08 2008 20:51:00

PHP is a great language.

As high-level languages go, it's a steaming pile of shite.

Such understatement...<g>

One thing that drew my attention to Synchronet again is it's usage of javascript & server side
javascript. I had two of my sites on my public web server that were running php that were hacked (at
least, I think it's only two; the drive from that web server is in a USB drive case for further investigation
when I have more time...); I like dynamically generated sites, but I'm not sure I'll use php for that again
even internally. Too much of a pain to secure...



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On 03/09/2008 07:19 AM, Angus McLeod wrote:

PHP is a great language.

As high-level languages go, it's a steaming pile of shite.

I have to agree... the only things it has going for it are broad support,
and tons of ready-bake apps... mostly combined with mySQL, another steaming pile.

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Re: Re: PHP
By: Tracker1 to Angus McLeod on Sun Mar 23 2008 05:46:00

PHP is a great language.

As high-level languages go, it's a steaming pile of shite.

I have to agree... the only things it has going for it are broad support, and tons of ready-bake apps... mostly combined with mySQL, another steaming pile.

Apps and modules/extensions. It has wide acceptance because more people
can squeeze the functionality they need out of it, thanks to the large
number of extensions that are available. It's just about the only
embedded language you can be sure will be available on any virtual host
you pay for. I'd be very happy to explore Embperl/Mason/etc as an
alternative (because CPAN probably trumps PHP on modules/extensions) but Embperl/Mason/etc simply isn't as common on web hosts.

MySQL may not be the best RDBMS in the world, but it isn't all that bad.

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Re: Re: PHP
By: Tracker1 to Angus McLeod on Sun Mar 23 2008 05:46:09

As high-level languages go, it's a steaming pile of shite.

I have to agree... the only things it has going for it are broad support, and tons of ready-bake apps... mostly combined with mySQL, another steaming

PHP is an excellent language for web developers. It does SUCK out of the box for security though. You have to tighten it up and in todays world that should be done by default.

Why don't you like MySQL? Like anything, it is not the right tool for all jobs, but it sure works well for your typical web apps.

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On 03/23/2008 06:56 AM, Trash80 wrote:

As high-level languages go, it's a steaming pile of shite.

I have to agree... the only things it has going for it are broad support,
and tons of ready-bake apps... mostly combined with mySQL, another steaming

PHP is an excellent language for web developers. It does SUCK out of the box for security though. You have to tighten it up and in todays world that should
be done by default.

Compared to ASP.Net, RoR and JSP/J2EE/Struts it sucks ass... not even a security issue... beyond all that, the module syntax is ass backwards and inconsistant... the API for php modules is really bad, they're all global methods... PHP as a language isn't so bad, it's the API itself that sucks.

now, pear helps a bit, but imho isn't enough, and should have been more like the pear way from the start. Again, the only redeaming thing about it, is there are a ton of ready-bake web-apps for it...

Why don't you like MySQL? Like anything, it is not the right tool for all jobs, but it sure works well for your typical web apps.

If you don't know what's wrong with mySQL you haven't had to work with real database issues, or worked with other more compliant, consistant and reliable SQL variants... v5 is a huge leap, but there are still big quirks, and you think they'd have subqueries worked out in their query optimizer by now, instead of having to do a left join selecting on null, which looks alien, vs. a simple subquery where not in...

mySQL pisses me off everytime I have to use it for more than anything menial and simple...

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On 03/23/2008 09:15 AM, Angus McLeod wrote:

MySQL may not be the best RDBMS in the world, but it isn't all that bad.

Honestly, I equate mySQL to PHP in terms of poor implimentations for their intended purpose... it's better than it used to be, but still pretty sucky.

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Re: Re: PHP
By: Tracker1 to Trash80 on Mon Mar 24 2008 02:06:00

mySQL pisses me off everytime I have to use it for more than anything menial and simple...

Every time I use MySQL my mind goes back to the dozens of ORACLE installs
I've had to slog through, and to the pathetic SQL*Plus tools that I've had
to use in the past, and I give thanks that -- at least for non-Enterprise
work -- there is an easy-to-install, easy-to-use, admittedly-non-complient, cheap-as-dirt MySQL option for me to use.

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Re: Re: PHP
By: Tracker1 to Angus McLeod on Mon Mar 24 2008 02:07:00

On 03/23/2008 09:15 AM, Angus McLeod wrote:

MySQL may not be the best RDBMS in the world, but it isn't all that bad.

Honestly, I equate mySQL to PHP in terms of poor implimentations for their intended purpose... it's better than it used to be, but still pretty sucky.

See previous. I am not interested in CODASYL compliance.

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On 03/24/2008 07:22 AM, Angus McLeod wrote:

mySQL pisses me off everytime I have to use it for more than anything menial >> and simple...

Every time I use MySQL my mind goes back to the dozens of ORACLE installs I've had to slog through, and to the pathetic SQL*Plus tools that I've had to use in the past, and I give thanks that -- at least for non-Enterprise work -- there is an easy-to-install, easy-to-use, admittedly-non-complient, cheap-as-dirt MySQL option for me to use.

Postgres works pretty nicely... and MS-SQL isn't at all bad (though an MS product)... I don't care much for Oracle either... that's a dbms that needs
a FT dba to be able to do the installs, and answer questions.. ;)

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Re: Re: PHP
By: Tracker1 to Angus McLeod on Tue Mar 25 2008 02:49:00

I don't care much for Oracle either... that's a dbms that needs
a FT dba to be able to do the installs, and answer questions.. ;)

I am (and at the time was paid to be) an ORACLE-trained and qualified DBA.
I still preferred MySQL to ORACLE!

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Re: Re: PHP
By: Tracker1 to Trash80 on Mon Mar 24 2008 02:06 am

mySQL pisses me off everytime I have to use it for more than anything menial and simple...

Have you tried sql lite or whatever it's called? I haven't used it, but when I read about it, it seemed good for jobs like that.

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On 04/24/2008 09:11 PM, The Lizard Master wrote:

mySQL pisses me off everytime I have to use it for more than anything menial >> and simple...

Have you tried sql lite or whatever it's called? I haven't used it, but when I
read about it, it seemed good for jobs like that.

SQLite isn't too bad, it's really not even as functional as mySQL is, but it's small and embeddable, though so is FirebirdSQL, which I like a lot more...

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Re: Re: PHP
By: Tracker1 to The Lizard Master on Sat Apr 26 2008 04:13 am

Have you tried sql lite or whatever it's called? I haven't used it, but w read about it, it seemed good for jobs like that.

SQLite isn't too bad, it's really not even as functional as mySQL is, but it small and embeddable, though so is FirebirdSQL, which I like a lot more...

Never heard of it, though looks interesteing! I'll have to check it out if I ever get a sec.

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