• Re: Opinion on Pascal

    From Mortifis@VERT/ALLEYCAT to jagossel on Saturday, May 27, 2017 12:14:00
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to Eyearrvee on Thu Apr 13 2017 11:46 am

    The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the "goto" in C# or any other OO language.

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    Did you RETURN?

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mortifis on Saturday, May 27, 2017 22:29:51
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14:00

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on th TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    Did you RETURN?

    Did I GOTO using RETURNs? :D See what I did there?

    As a kid, I used GOTO a lot and never really understood the point of GOSUBS. Now, after being a professional software developer for over 10 years, and
    going through the Usborne programming books from the 1980s that they put online for viewing (thanks to Nostalgia Nerd for providing the link to them in his video description on YouTube), I am finally beginning to see the vaule of GOSUB/RETURN: provides reusability in a structured programming paradigm, if done right. So, it would make sense that BASIC could move from being a structured paradigm to a procedural one fairly easily. Now-a-days, BASIC has become more object oriented (e.g. Visual Basic).

    -jag
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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Mortifis on Saturday, May 27, 2017 21:48:31
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14:00

    The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the
    "goto" in C# or any other OO language.

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on
    the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    Did you RETURN?

    1 If X= Y goto 10
    10 Exit




    Joe

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to jagossel on Sunday, May 28, 2017 09:13:56
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: jagossel to Deavmi on Thu Apr 13 2017 15:05:12

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to Eyearrvee on Thu Apr 13 2017 11:46 am

    The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the "goto" in C
    #
    or any other OO language.

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    -jag
    Code it, script it, automate it!

    I need structured programming. Lol. And `goto` is not that.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Deavmi on Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:20:59
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to jagossel on Sun May 28 2017 09:13 am

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  • From Mickey@VERT/OXFORDMI to Joe Delahaye on Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:04:00
    On 05/27/17, Joe Delahaye considered the following...

    1 If X= Y goto 10
    10 Exit


    HEY! THATS NOT FAIR!!! Get back here. :-)


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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Mickey on Sunday, May 28, 2017 23:01:06
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mickey to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 2017 11:04:00

    1 If X= Y goto 10
    10 Exit


    HEY! THATS NOT FAIR!!! Get back here. :-)

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Joe

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Joe Delahaye on Monday, May 29, 2017 19:58:59
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 23:01:06

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up to a 60" TV. :D

    -jag
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  • From Knightmare@VERT/P99BBS to Mortifis on Monday, May 29, 2017 20:28:18
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14 pm

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the
    "goto" in C# or any other OO language.

    Did you RETURN?


    I think you're confused with GOSUB.

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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Joe Delahaye on Monday, May 29, 2017 23:22:49
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 11:01 pm

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    wow, I have'nt messed with a CoCo since about 1990.
    My 1st computer was a 4k vic 20 then I bought a CoCo 2
    My vic 20 had a casste tape drive lol that was a huge waste loading programs. had dual 5.25 drives on my CoCo.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Jagossel on Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:17:05
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Jagossel to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 19:58:59

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up to a 60" TV. :D

    Yup. Even played one of my games on it. One of the cartridges.


    Joe

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Denn Gray on Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:19:13
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Denn Gray to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 23:22:49

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    wow, I have'nt messed with a CoCo since about 1990.
    My 1st computer was a 4k vic 20 then I bought a CoCo 2
    My vic 20 had a casste tape drive lol that was a huge waste loading programs. had dual 5.25 drives on my CoCo.

    Had both tape, and Floppies. Used the dual sided 1/2 height drives with OS9. My buddy spent the money and got a HD interface.


    Joe

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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Jagossel on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 23:25:40
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Jagossel to Mortifis on Sat May 27 2017 10:29 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14:00

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    Did you RETURN?

    Did I GOTO using RETURNs? :D See what I did there?

    As a kid, I used GOTO a lot and never really understood the point of GOSUBS. Now, after being a professional software developer for over 10 years, and going through the Usborne programming books from the 1980s that they put onl for viewing (thanks to Nostalgia Nerd for providing the link to them in his video description on YouTube), I am finally beginning to see the vaule of GOSUB/RETURN: provides reusability in a structured programming paradigm, if done right. So, it would make sense that BASIC could move from being a structured paradigm to a procedural one fairly easily. Now-a-days, BASIC ha become more object oriented (e.g. Visual Basic).

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!



    I remember gosub basically being the 'less evil' goto. It was a more structured way of calling subroutines. I can't remember if it was used in Basic09 or if it was more a DECB/Gwbasic invention.

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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Jagossel on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 23:30:03
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Jagossel to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 07:58 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 23:01:06

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up a 60" TV. :D

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!


    I haven't seen it on a 60 inch tv yet, but footage from more recent Cocofest meetings show it running on modern led/lcd monitors which I thought was really cool. It's really impressive the amount of development they are doing on Cocos to this day.

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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Chris on Thursday, June 08, 2017 15:19:00
    Chris wrote to Jagossel <=-

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Jagossel to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 07:58 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 23:01:06

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up a 60" TV. :D

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!


    I haven't seen it on a 60 inch tv yet, but footage from more recent Cocofest meetings show it running on modern led/lcd monitors which I thought was really cool. It's really impressive the amount of
    development they are doing on Cocos to this day.

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    I've got a C64/C128 hooked to a 17" and the capability to put it on the 55" Love it.

    It looks better on a 4:3 ratio than a 19:6. The aspect stays the same, but, there is a lot of death space on the 19:6

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sunday, June 11, 2017 12:50:37
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mro to Deavmi on Sun May 28 2017 10:20:59

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to jagossel on Sun May 28 2017 09:13 am

    Info: `finger deavmi@kk4qbn.synchro.net`


    sweet now i know your ip address
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  • From Sam Alexander@VERT to Joe Delahaye on Friday, June 23, 2017 13:29:06
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 11:01 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mickey to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 2017 11:04:00

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Sam Alexander on Friday, June 23, 2017 18:53:13
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Sam Alexander to Joe Delahaye on Fri Jun 23 2017 13:29:06

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.


    My first computer was a CoCo 1. Modified with internal speakes <G> The 3 also has internal speakers and max memory. We built our own mem expansion cards


    Joe





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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Joe Delahaye on Friday, June 23, 2017 22:06:54
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Sam Alexander on Fri Jun 23 2017 06:53 pm

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

    I also started out on a CoCo 2, My brother and I ran our first BBS in 1988 on a CoCo 2 64k ram on a basic program written by my brother.
    I recently found the code of his BBS software out in my garage.
    I scanned it in pdf format and uploaded it to my BBS.
    I also have almost every Rainbow magazine on my BBS in PDF.
    I need to find a CoCo2 or 3 at a yard sale.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Denn Gray on Saturday, June 24, 2017 09:50:34
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Denn Gray to Joe Delahaye on Fri Jun 23 2017 22:06:54

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well.
    First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

    I also started out on a CoCo 2, My brother and I ran our first BBS in 1988 on a CoCo 2 64k ram on a basic program written by my brother.
    I recently found the code of his BBS software out in my garage.
    I scanned it in pdf format and uploaded it to my BBS.
    I also have almost every Rainbow magazine on my BBS in PDF.
    I need to find a CoCo2 or 3 at a yard sale.


    Not sure if I still have the magazines or not. May have, sicne there are two boxes sitting with the rest of the stuff.


    Joe

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Sam Alexander on Sunday, June 25, 2017 18:33:28
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Sam Alexander to Joe Delahaye on Fri Jun 23 2017 01:29 pm

    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

    there are many of us that started out on the CoCo, back then it was an awesome machine for the price.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Darkages on Friday, June 30, 2017 03:30:46
    I take this back mostly now as I can use the syntax.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/USERCLUB to Sam Alexander on Friday, August 18, 2017 06:25:15
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 11:01 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mickey to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 2017 11:04:00

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

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