Nice to see somebody talking about Gentoo. I have been running Gentoo almost 3 years now and would not use anything else mow that I am used to it. used to mess with Red Hat. But since I found gentoo I have not used anythin else and have thrown all the Red Hat Cd's in the trash.
I was told Gentoo was more advanced then any form of Linux is this true It took me awhile to learn. And yes, more then one attempt to install. But after a few times of installing it you get used to it. i learned more from Gentoo then I did Red Hat. Also there isn't anything about Gentoo that isn' covered on the web. They have great Wiki's to help you get started and goo help in IRC. I used to take 2 monitors side by side and just read about how get stuff working better then printing manuals.
It's always easiest to get things working properly in Debian, but the performance difference on identical hardware is worth the tiny bit more effort of Gentoo when squeezing all the performance you can out of a product cluster.
Red Hat is just unweildy & nasty.. not to mention icky & clunky.
It's always easiest to get things working properly in Debian, but the performance difference on identical hardware is worth the tiny bit more effort of Gentoo when squeezing all the performance you can out of a product cluster.
Why/how does Gentoo deliver that "tiny bit more" that other distros can't?
Red Hat is just unweildy & nasty.. not to mention icky & clunky.
Well said!<g>
Why/how does Gentoo deliver that "tiny bit more" that other distros can't
Probably something related to his specific hardware platform. My box for ex ple likes SuSe but wasnt as fast or happy with some of the other ones I've tried. Nothing wrong with those other products, just minor differences in hardware support that made that one run more optimal for me.
Why/how does Gentoo deliver that "tiny bit more" that other distros ca
Probably something related to his specific hardware platform. My box for ple likes SuSe but wasnt as fast or happy with some of the other ones I'v tried. Nothing wrong with those other products, just minor differences i hardware support that made that one run more optimal for me.
You compile Gentoo packages from source with flags for your specific architecture. Some binary distros set flags pretty far back to support a lar array of older archs -- for example, Slackware still compiles for i486 last checked.
Red Hat is just unweildy & nasty.. not to mention icky & clunky.
Well said!<g>
But it was spiffy in the early days before all the others came out!
You compile Gentoo packages from source with flags for your specific architecture. Some binary distros set flags pretty far back to support a array of older archs -- for example, Slackware still compiles for i486 la checked.
It would be foolish to suggest that Gentoo performs better because the packages are compiled for the platform. I can assure you, Slackware comes with a compiler too.
And you'd have to recompile the ENTIRE slackware distro to get the same effect. You're entire Gentoo system is compiled from those flags.
It would be foolish to suggest that Gentoo performs better because the packages are compiled for the platform. I can assure you, Slackware come with a compiler too.
If I pulled my Gentoo drive from my Core2 Quad based system and you even tri to run it on a Pentium 4, it would not work.
And you'd have to recompile the ENTIRE slackware distro to get the same effe You're entire Gentoo system is compiled from those flags.
And you'd have to recompile the ENTIRE slackware distro to get the same effect. You're entire Gentoo system is compiled from those flags.
Hum... wouldn't you need to recompile the ENTIRE Gentoo distro to get the sa effect?
Hum... wouldn't you need to recompile the ENTIRE Gentoo distro to get
the sa effect?
You can't even *install* Gentoo WITHOUT recompiling the entire distro, whether you need that effect system-wide (or at all) or not!
Re: GENTOO
By: Ibanez to Angus McLeod on Mon Mar 17 2008 08:48 pm
And you'd have to recompile the ENTIRE slackware distro to get the same effect. You're entire Gentoo system is compiled from those flags.
Hum... wouldn't you need to recompile the ENTIRE Gentoo distro to get the sa effect?
If I pulled my Gentoo drive from my Core2 Quad based system and you even to run it on a Pentium 4, it would not work.
I hope I nevert have a system which, should the MB die, won;t boot up on any other configuration.
And you'd have to recompile the ENTIRE slackware distro to get the same e You're entire Gentoo system is compiled from those flags.
So what would be wrong with that? If it becomes necessary to compile the entire distro, then you compile the entire distro. Slackware comes with that option. While the entire distro can be installed from pre-built binaries, but each and every component is also provided in source form, with a 'SlackBuild' script to compile them. Set your options as needed
and compile away!
And in the mean time, you can bring up a new Slackware box in what?
Twenty minutes?
Re: GENTOO
By: Angus McLeod to Deuce on Tue Mar 18 2008 09:47 am
Hum... wouldn't you need to recompile the ENTIRE Gentoo distro to get the sa effect?
You can't even *install* Gentoo WITHOUT recompiling the entire distro, whether you need that effect system-wide (or at all) or not!
You can't even *install* Gentoo WITHOUT recompiling the entire distro, whether you need that effect system-wide (or at all) or not!
I'm pretty sure you can... I seem to recally doing just that.
But gentoo is the compiled-for-platform distro. If you do the binary install, the much-vaunted 2% performance improvement disappears, doesn't it?
And you'd have to recompile the ENTIRE slackware distro to get the same effect. You're entire Gentoo system is compiled from those
flags.
Hum... wouldn't you need to recompile the ENTIRE Gentoo distro to get
the sa effect?
You do. The base install initially comes from a minimally compiled-for-you bootstrap, but as you update through portage you are replacing that with compiled code tailored to your system.
I'm pretty sure you can... I seem to recally doing just that.
But gentoo is the compiled-for-platform distro. If you do the binary install, the much-vaunted 2% performance improvement disappears, doesn't
it?
Gentoo is also the only Linux distro that didn't piss me off completely. Every other distro I've installed had some mindblowingly stupid bit about it that drove me around the bend.
My only complaint about Gentoo is the abitrary "experimental" vs
"stable" differences in the portage tree. The ports are pretty chaotic when it comes to that.
My only complaint about Gentoo is the abitrary "experimental" vs "stable" differences in the portage tree. The ports are pretty chaotic when it comes that.
Gentoo is also the only Linux distro that didn't piss me off completely. Every other distro I've installed had some mindblowingly stupid bit
about it that drove me around the bend.
I'm not entirely sure I follow. Something about the distro always pisses you off? Or something about the process of *installation* pisses you off?
If you can muster the thoughts, I'd be glad to hear a couple examples of various distros and what you didn't like about them.
My only complaint about Gentoo is the abitrary "experimental" vs
"stable" differences in the portage tree. The ports are pretty chaotic when it comes to that.
Sounds like Gentoo DID have something that pissed you off. (Although I'll concede that perhaps it didn't COMPLETELY piss you off...)
So what would be wrong with that? If it becomes necessary to compile the entire distro, then you compile the entire distro. Slackware comes with that option. While the entire distro can be installed from pre-built binaries, but each and every component is also provided in source form,
with a 'SlackBuild' script to compile them. Set your options as needed
and compile away!
Except, only those parts of the distro that you were using need to be compiled. Or more correctly, only those parts from which you need extreme efficiency. No need to compile the browser, for instance, if you are satisfied with the browser's performance.
And in the mean time, you can bring up a new Slackware box in what?
Twenty minutes?
You can't even *install* Gentoo WITHOUT recompiling the entire distro, whether you need that effect system-wide (or at all) or not!
Gentoo nay sayers have either never used it, or used it on a generic P4. I will concede that an a generic P4 you are not going to see much improvement if any than most binary distributions. However, on non-generic systems compiling from source with optimizations with any distro will give you an improvement in performance. Gentoo makes that easy to do (for the experienced Linux user) as well as easy to update.
In general, things that completely piss me off are things that restrict root (ie: Requiring a "sufficiently" complex password for root) all-inclusive default settings (including aalib with SDL) braindead dependencies (Sun's Ja DEMOS being *REQUIRED* by the JDK) packaging systems which MUST download metadata about EVERY package in order to be able to install ONE. Crazy configuration (having to edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to change the default router) phantom device nodes (every MAC address the syste has ever seen gets its own /dev/ethX node so when you add a new permanent ca it ends up being eth9), not installing libX.so symlinks so that programs usi dlsym(3) need to flail about looking for a library (or install the -dev pacakge) and, best of all, NONE of this shit being documented anywhere excep in Google Groups so you need a DIFFERENT machine in order to figure it out since you can't access the internet until you figure out where to set the default router.
You can't even *install* Gentoo WITHOUT recompiling the entire distro, whether you need that effect system-wide (or at all) or not!
Simply not true. You can install from packages.
I think that clears things up a bit. Nice rant. ;)
*BSD for the win.
Like I'ma let an OS sit and bootstrap and compile for itself on a 2 or
3ghz PC for days before I can get on it in any entertaining or gratifying fashion.
:( Wait bsd does that too basically
no apt-get or slapt-get or trusted precompiled binaries, but it's rare I have to chase down any dependencies by hand. It's usually some
ungoogle'able lib module.so or Door library if there's an inconvenience.
The entire current populace of unix users do not seem to know of, or
recall what a "BBS" or "door games" are. Upsetting in the pants.
*BSD for the win.
Like I'ma let an OS sit and bootstrap and compile for itself on a 2 or
3ghz PC for days before I can get on it in any entertaining or gratifying fashion.
:( Wait bsd does that too basically
Like I'ma let an OS sit and bootstrap and compile for itself on a 2 or
3ghz PC for days before I can get on it in any entertaining or gratifying fashion.
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