It has worked out well. Unfortunately like I mentioned above I can't instal some of the files simply because they still depend on some other dependency files I need to download which I have no clue on how to get just yet.
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Mikesla to All on Sun Nov 13 2011 09:23 am
It has worked out well. Unfortunately like I mentioned above I can't ins some of the files simply because they still depend on some other dependen files I need to download which I have no clue on how to get just yet.
You seem to be having a lot of issues with Ubuntu. Why not try another distrobution like SuSE, Mandriva, Fedora, Debian, Slackware, or Sabayon that have GUIs like Ubuntu out of the box, and actually provide the user with a F DVD with all software/drivers/whatever you need packaged with the installer?
It seems you think there's only one version of Linux, and that's Ubuntu. Thi is completely untrue. Why work hard at something that should be easy? Try another distro, but get a LiveDVD, containing everything for a networkless install.
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Access Denied wrote to Mikesla <=-
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Mikesla to All on Sun Nov 13 2011 09:23 am
It has worked out well. Unfortunately like I mentioned above I can't instal some of the files simply because they still depend on some other dependency files I need to download which I have no clue on how to get just yet.
You seem to be having a lot of issues with Ubuntu. Why not try another distrobution like SuSE, Mandriva, Fedora, Debian, Slackware, or Sabayon that have GUIs like Ubuntu out of the box, and actually provide the
user with a FULL DVD with all software/drivers/whatever you need
packaged with the installer?
It seems you think there's only one version of Linux, and that's
Ubuntu. This is completely untrue. Why work hard at something that
should be easy? Try another distro, but get a LiveDVD, containing everything for a networkless install.
That is true, I was thinking exactly that. I thought that since Ubuntu
has the cd, all are pretty much the same, and require an internet connection to download all it's required dependencies.
About a year ago I was handed a OpenSusi cd, and I had the exact same problem.
I needed an inrenet connection to download all the required dependencies, and when I got Ubuntu I thought it would have been different..nope, same thing.
I just don't understand why they just don't bundle up a full download with everything people need from the start...It just does not make sense to me at all.
Do you have a website which will give me a full DVD version? Also in your opinion which is the best linux OS should I be downloading without running into this again?
Thank You, at least I now know that there are full versions out there to be downloaded without needing an internet connection.
Cheers.
Gandolf wrote to Mikesla <=-proble
That is true, I was thinking exactly that. I thought that since Ubuntu
has the cd, all are pretty much the same, and require an internet connection to download all it's required dependencies.
About a year ago I was handed a OpenSusi cd, and I had the exact same
m.nd
I needed an inrenet connection to download all the required dependencies,
when I got Ubuntu I thought it would have been different..nope, same thing.
I just don't understand why they just don't bundle up a full download with everything people need from the start...It just does not make sense to me at all.
Do you have a website which will give me a full DVD version? Also in your opinion which is the best linux OS should I be downloading without running into this again?
Thank You, at least I now know that there are full versions out there to be downloaded without needing an internet connection.
Cheers.
The only distros that has everything put on disk (that I know of) is Debian (8 DVDs) and Slackware.
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.37-iso/
Slackware, on the other hand, is not considered to be for 'beginners.' Most of your time will be in command line, and you will quickly learn
to either love or hate vi.
As for most other linux distributions, you are unfortunately correct.
Most distros have a core set of utils for initial setup, then depend on connecting to the Internet to download the rest.
It may be time to bite the bullet and make the switch to high speed Internet. I couldn't imagine downloading antivirus definition updates (not to mention security updates for ANY operating system) over dialup.
That is true, I was thinking exactly that. I thought that since Ubuntu
has the cd, all are pretty much the same, and require an internet connection to download all it's required dependencies.
About a year ago I was handed a OpenSusi cd, and I had the exact same probl I needed an inrenet connection to download all the required dependencies, an when I got Ubuntu I thought it would have been different..nope, same thing.
I just don't understand why they just don't bundle up a full download with everything people need from the start...It just does not make sense to me at all.
Do you have a website which will give me a full DVD version? Also in your opinion which is the best linux OS should I be downloading without running into this again?
Thank You, at least I now know that there are full versions out there to be downloaded without needing an internet connection.
The only distros that has everything put on disk (that I know of) is
Debian (8 DVDs) and Slackware.
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.37-iso/
As for most other linux distributions, you are unfortunately correct.
Most distros have a core set of utils for initial setup, then depend on connecting to the Internet to download the rest.
Access Denied wrote to Mikesla <=-
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Mikesla to Access Denied on Mon Nov 14 2011 09:20 am
That is true, I was thinking exactly that. I thought that since Ubuntu
has the cd, all are pretty much the same, and require an internet connection to download all it's required dependencies.
Pretty much the same to the new user, but every distro has a variety of differences. There's also quite a few different desktop environments (GUIs) that you can choose from as well. It's all in how you want to
setup your system.
About a year ago I was handed a OpenSusi cd, and I had the exact same probl I needed an inrenet connection to download all the required dependencies, an when I got Ubuntu I thought it would have been different..nope, same thing.
There lies the problem again. You had a OpenSuSE CD, not a DVD.
OpenSuSE I know for a fact has a 4.7GB DVD, which contains everything
on the DVD itself. There should be no internet connection required,
until you want to update.
Same with Slackware, Gentoo, I believe Debian has one, Sabayon has one.
Apparantly, Ubuntu does NOT. Not sure why, but it's their loss I guess.
I just don't understand why they just don't bundle up a full download with everything people need from the start...It just does not make sense to me at all.
*MOST* Distros do this with a DVD release. They usually promote the smaller 700mb CDs that require an internet connection because they're smaller, and take less time to download and install. Like I've
mentioned before, you not having an 'always on' internet connection
puts you in a vast minority.
Do you have a website which will give me a full DVD version? Also in your opinion which is the best linux OS should I be downloading without running into this again?
Yep. http://google.com .. Google something like "top 10 (or top 20)
Linux distrobutions" .. study up on what they offer from their main
sites, and compare it to what you're looking for in a operating system. Take a look at some Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, Blackbox, and whatever other desktop environment screenshots you can, to see which
one you think you'd enjoy the best.
There is no best Linux OS. It's all about choice. You're able to pick
what you want based on what the different distros offer, unlike M$
where you're stuck paying for one OS, and one OS only.
If I were to choose based on my own opinion, I like Gentoo or Debian
for servers, and Sabayon as a desktop. But that's only because I know
my way around those distros the best, know how their package managers work, and enjoy using them. Everyone else has their own opinion,
though, including you. That's why your best bet would be to check them
all out. Try out some LiveCDs or LiveDVDs where you can interact in the
OS without installing it, etc. Venture outside of Ubuntu's grasp for awhile and find something you like. :)
Thank You, at least I now know that there are full versions out there to be downloaded without needing an internet connection.
No problem.
Yep. There's quite a few of them, actually.
Well I looked over allot of what you have suggested, and I finally decided on Debian. That is one HUGH download of 8 DVD's, and 2 Updates. It will be worth it in the end since getting Highspeed at the moment isn't in the cards
I just want to thank you for your help, and all the help others have given me. I just have to wait now for the software.
That is true, I was thinking exactly that. I thought that since Ubuntu has the cd, all are pretty much the same, and require an internet connecti to download all it's required dependencies.
About a year ago I was handed a OpenSusi cd, and I had the exact same pr I needed an inrenet connection to download all the required dependencies, when I got Ubuntu I thought it would have been different..nope, same thing
I just don't understand why they just don't bundle up a full download wi everything people need from the start...It just does not make sense to me all.
Do you have a website which will give me a full DVD version? Also in you opinion which is the best linux OS should I be downloading without running into this again?
Thank You, at least I now know that there are full versions out there to b downloaded without needing an internet connection.
Cheers.
The only distros that has everything put on disk (that I know of) is
Debian (8 DVDs) and Slackware.
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.37-iso/
Debian is a good distro, but all 8 DVDs is considered to be a COMPLETE distribution. (Server utils, optional software, etc.)
Slackware, on the other hand, is not considered to be for 'beginners.'
Most of your time will be in command line, and you will quickly learn to either love or hate vi.
As for most other linux distributions, you are unfortunately correct.
Most distros have a core set of utils for initial setup, then depend on connecting to the Internet to download the rest.
It may be time to bite the bullet and make the switch to high speed Internet. I couldn't imagine downloading antivirus definition updates
(not to mention security updates for ANY operating system) over dialup.
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Mikesla to Access Denied on Mon Nov 14 2011 09:20 am
That is true, I was thinking exactly that. I thought that since Ubuntu has the cd, all are pretty much the same, and require an internet connect to download all it's required dependencies.
Pretty much the same to the new user, but every distro has a variety of differences. There's also quite a few different desktop environments (GUIs) that you can choose from as well. It's all in how you want to setup your system.
About a year ago I was handed a OpenSusi cd, and I had the exact same pr I needed an inrenet connection to download all the required dependencies, when I got Ubuntu I thought it would have been different..nope, same thin
There lies the problem again. You had a OpenSuSE CD, not a DVD. OpenSuSE I k for a fact has a 4.7GB DVD, which contains everything on the DVD itself. The should be no internet connection required, until you want to update.
Same with Slackware, Gentoo, I believe Debian has one, Sabayon has one.
Apparantly, Ubuntu does NOT. Not sure why, but it's their loss I guess.
I just don't understand why they just don't bundle up a full download wi everything people need from the start...It just does not make sense to me all.
*MOST* Distros do this with a DVD release. They usually promote the smaller 700mb CDs that require an internet connection because they're smaller, and t less time to download and install. Like I've mentioned before, you not havin an 'always on' internet connection puts you in a vast minority.
Do you have a website which will give me a full DVD version? Also in you opinion which is the best linux OS should I be downloading without runnin into this again?
Yep. http://google.com .. Google something like "top 10 (or top 20) Linux distrobutions" .. study up on what they offer from their main sites, and compare it to what you're looking for in a operating system. Take a look at some Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, Blackbox, and whatever other desktop environment screenshots you can, to see which one you think you'd enjoy the best.
There is no best Linux OS. It's all about choice. You're able to pick what y want based on what the different distros offer, unlike M$ where you're stuck paying for one OS, and one OS only.
If I were to choose based on my own opinion, I like Gentoo or Debian for servers, and Sabayon as a desktop. But that's only because I know my way aro those distros the best, know how their package managers work, and enjoy usin them. Everyone else has their own opinion, though, including you. That's why your best bet would be to check them all out. Try out some LiveCDs or LiveDV where you can interact in the OS without installing it, etc. Venture outside Ubuntu's grasp for awhile and find something you like. :)
Thank You, at least I now know that there are full versions out there to downloaded without needing an internet connection.
No problem.
Yep. There's quite a few of them, actually.
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Access Denied wrote to Mikesla <=-
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Mikesla to Access Denied on Mon Nov 14 2011 09:20 am
That is true, I was thinking exactly that. I thought that since Ubuntu has the cd, all are pretty much the same, and require an internet connect to download all it's required dependencies.
Pretty much the same to the new user, but every distro has a variety of differences. There's also quite a few different desktop environments (GUIs) that you can choose from as well. It's all in how you want to setup your system.
About a year ago I was handed a OpenSusi cd, and I had the exact same pr I needed an inrenet connection to download all the required dependencies, when I got Ubuntu I thought it would have been different..nope, same thin
There lies the problem again. You had a OpenSuSE CD, not a DVD. OpenSuSE I know for a fact has a 4.7GB DVD, which contains everything on the DVD itself. There should be no internet connection required, until you want to update.
Same with Slackware, Gentoo, I believe Debian has one, Sabayon has one.
Apparantly, Ubuntu does NOT. Not sure why, but it's their loss I guess.
I just don't understand why they just don't bundle up a full download wi everything people need from the start...It just does not make sense to me all.
*MOST* Distros do this with a DVD release. They usually promote the smaller 700mb CDs that require an internet connection because they're smaller, and take less time to download and install. Like I've mentioned before, you not having an 'always on' internet connection puts you in a vast minority.
Do you have a website which will give me a full DVD version? Also in you opinion which is the best linux OS should I be downloading without runnin into this again?
Yep. http://google.com .. Google something like "top 10 (or top 20) Linux distrobutions" .. study up on what they offer from their main sites, and compare it to what you're looking for in a operating system. Take a look at some Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, Blackbox, and whatever other desktop environment screenshots you can, to see which one you think you'd enjoy the best.
There is no best Linux OS. It's all about choice. You're able to pick what you want based on what the different distros offer, unlike M$ where you're stuck paying for one OS, and one OS only.
If I were to choose based on my own opinion, I like Gentoo or Debian for servers, and Sabayon as a desktop. But that's only because I know my way around those distros the best, know how their package managers work, and enjoy using them. Everyone else has their own opinion, though, including you. That's why your best bet would be to check them all out. Try out some LiveCDs or LiveDVDs where you can interact in the OS without installing it, etc. Venture outside of Ubuntu's grasp for awhile and find something you like. :)
Thank You, at least I now know that there are full versions out there to downloaded without needing an internet connection.
No problem.
Yep. There's quite a few of them, actually.
Hi.
Well I looked over allot of what you have suggested, and I finally decided on Debian. That is one HUGH download of 8 DVD's, and 2 Updates. It will be worth it in the end since getting Highspeed at the moment isn't in the cards
I just want to thank you for your help, and all the help others have given me. I just have to wait now for the software.
Cheers, and thanks again.
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Access Denied wrote to Mikesla <=-
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Mikesla to Access Denied on Tue Nov 15 2011 07:24 am
Well I looked over allot of what you have suggested, and I finally decided on Debian. That is one HUGH download of 8 DVD's, and 2 Updates. It will be worth it in the end since getting Highspeed at the moment isn't in the cards
Debian is a very good, stable distrobution of Linux. A very good
choice, I'd have to say. And definitely a learning experience, because
if you wish, you can start with a base system and build it from the
ground up. Just be sure to read documentation, as it will help you greatly. Googling things like "howto KDE on Debian" and similar will
give you a lot of results, and help you greatly.
Debian comes with Gnome standard if you do a GUI install off the installation. If you're interested in something else like KDE, LXDE,
XFCE, etc, you'll have to follow documentation on how to install a different desktop environment.
I just want to thank you for your help, and all the help others have given me. I just have to wait now for the software.
Of course, and good luck!
Boraxman wrote to Mikesla <=-
I wonder if its worth downloading EIGHT DVDs, if you're not sure
whether it will work or not, where a smaller distro might be OK.
Can't hurt though. Thats the good thing about Linux, as its free, it costs nothing to try a distro, find it doesn't work and go to something else.
Much worse to have spent hundreds on Windows, to find out it doesn't
work for you.
I wonder if its worth downloading EIGHT DVDs, if you're not sure whether it will work or not, where a smaller distro might be OK.
Can't hurt though. Thats the good thing about Linux, as its free, it costs nothing to try a distro, find it doesn't work and go to something else.
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Boraxman to Mikesla on Wed Nov 16 2011 08:21 pm
I wonder if its worth downloading EIGHT DVDs, if you're not sure whether will work or not, where a smaller distro might be OK.
Can't hurt though. Thats the good thing about Linux, as its free, it cos nothing to try a distro, find it doesn't work and go to something else.
Aren't DVD sets available for purchase off of www.distrowatch.com? I'm not s where Mike stands as far as being able to purchase them, but they should be available for a decent price. I remember when you could get a bunch of different distros all in one from I *think* it was www.cheapbytes.com (I'll have to see if they are even still around).
I guess the point is, if one has a few bucks to spare it might be worth doin that rather than waiting for a download for an 8 cd set.
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I just had my brother download, and burn a copy of the full distribution of Debian. I can only tell you I am very impressed with all the software bundle together. From what I can tell there is over 32,000 pieces of software...sim amazing...just for games alone is quite impressive (420 or so in total).
If you have the money I would purchase it since the download is hugh, it to my brother close to a week...all in all it's worth the download, or the purchase.
Cheers.
Chris Perrault wrote to Mikesla <=-
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Mikesla to Chris Perrault on Wed Nov 30 2011 06:57 pm
I just had my brother download, and burn a copy of the full distribution of Debian. I can only tell you I am very impressed with all the software bundle together. From what I can tell there is over 32,000 pieces of software...sim amazing...just for games alone is quite impressive (420 or so in total).
If you have the money I would purchase it since the download is hugh, it to my brother close to a week...all in all it's worth the download, or the purchase.
Cheers.
Congrats. I know the feeling. It's been a while since I got a big CD
set. My last one I think was a Mandrake (yes it was Mandrake then LOL) Powerpack. I remember spending hours just going through the packages. I started off saying I would only install the necessities.
I then proceeded to install just about every package on the cds :-)
Debian is a nice OS, unfortunately it's a monster to figure out, but I am getting there...sloooowly.
Cheers.
Re: Overcoming my problem.
By: Mikesla to Access Denied on Tue Nov 15 2011 07:24 am
Well I looked over allot of what you have suggested, and I finally decid on Debian. That is one HUGH download of 8 DVD's, and 2 Updates. It will b worth it in the end since getting Highspeed at the moment isn't in the ca
Debian is a very good, stable distrobution of Linux. A very good choice, I'd have to say. And definitely a learning experience, because if you wish, you start with a base system and build it from the ground up. Just be sure to re documentation, as it will help you greatly. Googling things like "howto KDE Debian" and similar will give you a lot of results, and help you greatly.
Debian comes with Gnome standard if you do a GUI install off the installatio If you're interested in something else like KDE, LXDE, XFCE, etc, you'll hav to follow documentation on how to install a different desktop environment.
I just want to thank you for your help, and all the help others have giv me. I just have to wait now for the software.
Of course, and good luck!
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