Hello,

What do you think about Internet Explorer 7.0?

What other browsers do you use and like?

I still like Internet Explorer 6.x but have tried 7.0 and is ok.

Back in the day I used Netscape, and tried Opera, firefox but always seems to go back to IE.

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Pbmountaincat to All on Wed Mar 21 2007 12:06 am

Hello,

What do you think about Internet Explorer 7.0?

What other browsers do you use and like?

I still like Internet Explorer 6.x but have tried 7.0 and is ok.

Back in the day I used Netscape, and tried Opera, firefox but always seems t go back to IE.

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I use Firefox mainly except when the odd place like chatrooms then I use IE 6.0. I tried 7.0 but I didn't care for it personally.

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Pbmountaincat to All on Wed Mar 21 2007 12:06 am

Hello,

What do you think about Internet Explorer 7.0?

What other browsers do you use and like?

I still like Internet Explorer 6.x but have tried 7.0 and is ok.

Back in the day I used Netscape, and tried Opera, firefox but always seems t go back to IE.

Pbmountaincat

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Pbmountaincat wrote:

Hello,

What do you think about Internet Explorer 7.0?

Does it have a classic mode? I've seen it on other PCs,
but I haven't put it on my own because it didn't seem
to have a classic mode. :o

On my 2 Xp machines, I run classic with no themes.
I need to save the bells & whistles for the games I
play, not the OS. :)


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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Pbmountaincat to All on Wed Mar 21 2007 01:06 am

What do you think about Internet Explorer 7.0?

What other browsers do you use and like?

I still like Internet Explorer 6.x but have tried 7.0 and is ok.

What is the difference.. IE 6 and 7 and 5 for that matter all show webpages the same to me.. I guess they all have whiz bang upgrades for something. If you are just looking at basic web pages, I think they are all the same. I use firefox from time to time but it fruits out on my notebook.

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: The Millionaire to Pbmountaincat on Tue Mar 20 2007 10:09 pm

I use Firefox mainly except when the odd place like chatrooms then I use IE 6.0. I tried 7.0 but I didn't care for it personally.

Why don't you care for it? It displays web pages the same as anything else.

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Ralph Smole to Pbmountaincat on Wed Mar 21 2007 08:10:00

Only use IE for one purpose: to access one website that doesn't recognize Firefox. That's ALL!! I use Firefox exclusively.

You *do* know that you can tell FF to lie, and to pretend it's IE when you visit that site, right?
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W8ZZU wrote:

What is the difference.. IE 6 and 7 and 5 for that matter all show webpages the same to me.. I guess they all have whiz bang upgrades for something. If you are just looking at basic web pages, I think they are all the same. I use
firefox from time to time but it fruits out on my notebook.

IE5-6 full of security holes, that would allow me to *OWN* your machine from you visiting a webpage with them...

IE7, quite a bit better, but limiteed to XP and Vista.. for all other versions of windows, do yourself a favor, and grab an updated copy of firefox.

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Angus McLeod wrote:

Only use IE for one purpose: to access one website that doesn't recognize
Firefox. That's ALL!! I use Firefox exclusively.

You *do* know that you can tell FF to lie, and to pretend it's IE when you visit that site, right?

Odds are if it will only allow IE, then it only works correctly in IE...
Which sucks, but is true of few websites... I would try the plugin for FF to mask the browser agent string, but it may still not work right...

About the only IE feature that I would love to see in other browsers is CSS expression syntax (if JS is enabled)... though it adds yet a whole other area where security needs to be checked, as well as input validation..

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Angus McLeod to Ralph Smole on Thu Mar 22 2007 12:57 am

Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Ralph Smole to Pbmountaincat on Wed Mar 21 2007 08:10:00

Only use IE for one purpose: to access one website that doesn't recognize Firefox. That's ALL!! I use Firefox exclusively.

You *do* know that you can tell FF to lie, and to pretend it's IE when you visit that site, right?

How?
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Re: Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Tracker1 to W8ZZU on Thu Mar 22 2007 04:12 am

What is the difference.. IE 6 and 7 and 5 for that matter all show webpag the same to me.. I guess they all have whiz bang upgrades for something. you are just looking at basic web pages, I think they are all the same. I firefox from time to time but it fruits out on my notebook.

IE5-6 full of security holes, that would allow me to *OWN* your machine from you visiting a webpage with them...

IE7, quite a bit better, but limiteed to XP and Vista.. for all other versio of windows, do yourself a favor, and grab an updated copy of firefox.

I have never seen these "security holes" that everyone talks about.. I guess I have never been a victim..

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Re: Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Tracker1 to Angus McLeod on Thu Mar 22 2007 03:15:00

About the only IE feature that I would love to see in other browsers is CSS expression syntax (if JS is enabled)...

Actually, I think the idea is sort of nasty. What I'd like to see id server-side CSS scripting. You can do it by adding a handler for .css
files to Apache, but there isn't any legitimate syntax. So you can code
your server-side dynamic CSS is perl, PHP or whatever. I'd like to see
some standardization in that area.

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Ralph Smole to Angus McLeod on Thu Mar 22 2007 07:49:00

Only use IE for one purpose: to access one website that doesn't recogn Firefox. That's ALL!! I use Firefox exclusively.

You *do* know that you can tell FF to lie, and to pretend it's IE when yo visit that site, right?

How?

There's a FireFox Add-on called "User Agent Switcher." There may be
others that work in a similar way. Look here:

http://chrispederick.com/work/useragentswitcher/

It may be useful to you.

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Angus McLeod to Ralph Smole on Thu Mar 22 2007 12:52 pm

Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Ralph Smole to Angus McLeod on Thu Mar 22 2007 07:49:00

Only use IE for one purpose: to access one website that doesn't rec Firefox. That's ALL!! I use Firefox exclusively.

You *do* know that you can tell FF to lie, and to pretend it's IE when visit that site, right?

How?

There's a FireFox Add-on called "User Agent Switcher." There may be
others that work in a similar way. Look here:

http://chrispederick.com/work/useragentswitcher/

It may be useful to you.

That link opens to a page full of ads,nothing else.

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Ralph Smole to Angus McLeod on Thu Mar 22 2007 07:50 pm

Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Angus McLeod to Ralph Smole on Thu Mar 22 2007 12:52 pm

Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Ralph Smole to Angus McLeod on Thu Mar 22 2007 07:49:00

Only use IE for one purpose: to access one website that doesn't Firefox. That's ALL!! I use Firefox exclusively.

You *do* know that you can tell FF to lie, and to pretend it's IE w visit that site, right?

How?

There's a FireFox Add-on called "User Agent Switcher." There may be others that work in a similar way. Look here:

http://chrispederick.com/work/useragentswitcher/

It may be useful to you.

That link opens to a page full of ads,nothing else.

Dirty Jack Rackham...A.K.A: Ralph Smole
www.freewebs.com/ralphsmole
www.hillsofbriaroaks.bravehost.com

Never mind..typed the name wrong :-)
ME BAD!

Thanks,Angus!!

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Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Ralph Smole to Angus McLeod on Thu Mar 22 2007 19:50:00

There's a FireFox Add-on called "User Agent Switcher." There may be others that work in a similar way. Look here:

http://chrispederick.com/work/useragentswitcher/

It may be useful to you.

That link opens to a page full of ads,nothing else.

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W8ZZU wrote:

IE5-6 full of security holes, that would allow me to *OWN* your machine
from you visiting a webpage with them...

IE7, quite a bit better, but limiteed to XP and Vista.. for all other
version> of windows, do yourself a favor, and grab an updated copy of
firefox.

I have never seen these "security holes" that everyone talks about.. I guess I have never been a victim..

Well, if you have scripting, and ActiveX controls dissabled in IE, you are relatively safe... Also, you honestly wouldn't likely notice, after all there are like 1.2 million zombie windows computers out there (by current, as of this month estimates), with users that don't seem to notice. Even CERT suggests not using IE.

Honestly, if you keep up on windows updates, keep an up to day antivirus, and don't open attachments from people you don't know, you are relatively safe since the melissa/i-love-u days... IE's security context is seriously flawed to be honest... it makes things excessively difficult to fully secure. IE7 corrects many of these flaws, and a good majority of those fixes aren't being backported to IE6, in fact a lot of IE6 flaws that have been fixed on XP haven't been backported to work on anything prior to XP..

Using IE5 or 6 is pretty much asking to be a spam bot.

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Angus McLeod wrote:

About the only IE feature that I would love to see in other browsers is CSS >> expression syntax (if JS is enabled)...

Actually, I think the idea is sort of nasty. What I'd like to see id server-side CSS scripting. You can do it by adding a handler for .css
files to Apache, but there isn't any legitimate syntax. So you can code your server-side dynamic CSS is perl, PHP or whatever. I'd like to see
some standardization in that area.

Well, generally I keep a main css file for the site, then have browser, and version specific fixes...

site.css
site.browser.css
site.browser.#.css
site.browser.#.#.css
page.css
page.browser.css
page.browser.#.css
page.browser.#.#.css

The masterpage/base page will detect which css files apply, and are available on the filesystem, and create the link tags in the header... this way I can concentrate on the site.css and page.css then, when needed I can have specific tweaks/overrides in a separate stylesheet. I've had to work on a couple sites that have required site.IE.7.0.css (I added the version major/minor checking because of ie7.0 which has some flaws that come up in some cases, which will probably be fixed in IE.7.01) it's kind of a bitch.. each vX.0 version of IE has a few bugs that make it through testing, and only happen under some semi-rare circumstances... IE5.0 was probably the worst offender, but is almost understandable because a lot of the W3C DOM support was added in that tree...

I really liked where IE4.x was over Netscape 4.x, but since Firefox(bird), and Opera 7+, IE has been my least fav.

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Re: Re: Internet Explorer 7.0
By: Tracker1 to W8ZZU on Sat Mar 24 2007 02:56 am

Well, if you have scripting, and ActiveX controls dissabled in IE, you are relatively safe... Also, you honestly wouldn't likely notice, after all ther are like 1.2 million zombie windows computers out there (by current, as of this month estimates), with users that don't seem to notice. Even CERT suggests not using IE.

Trust me, I know everything thats "going on"


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