• Opera wins!

    From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to All on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 04:09:00
    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... there is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Deuce on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 09:09:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to All on Wed Feb 28 2007 04:09 am

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... the is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    I use Opera and Firefox. I like them both. I only use Internet Explorer for
    the odd chatroom that doesn't work.

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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to Deuce on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 19:48:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to All on Wed Feb 28 2007 04:09 am

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... the is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?


    Hmm..might give Opera a try(again). I do remember Opera being very fast and having some cool mouse shortcuts.
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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 19:49:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Deuce on Wed Feb 28 2007 09:09 am

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to All on Wed Feb 28 2007 04:09 am

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reas left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    I use Opera and Firefox. I like them both. I only use Internet Explorer for the odd chatroom that doesn't work.


    I use Firefox 2.0 and love it. I only use I.E. to access the WalMart benefits site which ONLY allows access via IE.

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  • From Godsmith@VERT/THWAP to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 13:30:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Deuce on Wed Feb 28 2007 09:09 am

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to All on Wed Feb 28 2007 04:09 am

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reas left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    I use Opera and Firefox. I like them both. I only use Internet Explorer for the odd chatroom that doesn't work.


    There is a Firefox plugin that will let you just click an icon that will
    switch the current page to be rendered by IE. This way ya never need to actually play with the evil.






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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to The Millionaire on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 14:32:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Deuce on Wed Feb 28 2007 09:09 am

    I use Opera and Firefox. I like them both. I only use Internet Explorer for the odd chatroom that doesn't work.

    I haven't actually found anything I like about Firefox, but that's just me. I do like Seamonkey more or less.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Godsmith on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 20:08:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Godsmith to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 28 2007 01:30 pm

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Deuce on Wed Feb 28 2007 09:09 am

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to All on Wed Feb 28 2007 04:09 am

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no r left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception. is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    I use Opera and Firefox. I like them both. I only use Internet Explorer f the odd chatroom that doesn't work.


    There is a Firefox plugin that will let you just click an icon that will switch the current page to be rendered by IE. This way ya never need to actually play with the evil.






    I tried using that plugin. I still can't go the chatroom with it.

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  • From John Guillory@VERT/MAINLINE to Godsmith on Thursday, March 01, 2007 02:32:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Godsmith to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 28 2007 01:30 pm

    There is a Firefox plugin that will let you just click an icon that will switch the current page to be rendered by IE. This way ya never need to actually play with the evil.
    Yup, I use it for Flock, however, be aware that when you use it, you are
    using Interenet Explorer, and opening yourself up to any of its vunerabilities....

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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to Godsmith on Thursday, March 01, 2007 08:04:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Godsmith to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 28 2007 01:30 pm

    There is a Firefox plugin that will let you just click an icon that will switch the current page to be rendered by IE. This way ya never need to actually play with the evil.

    What's the name of the plugin? I definitely need it!
    Thanks!

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  • From Tiny@VERT to Deuce on Thursday, March 01, 2007 13:23:00
    Deuce wrote to All <=-

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    I have been a huge opera supporter for years, even registered it for different
    platforms over the years. Currently using Firefox for one stupid reason, and that's the Foxmarks plugin.

    Opera's stated bookmark syncing in the next version, so i'll be able to go back soon!

    Shawn


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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Deuce on Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:29:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 28 2007 02:32 pm

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Deuce on Wed Feb 28 2007 09:09 am

    I use Opera and Firefox. I like them both. I only use Internet Explorer f the odd chatroom that doesn't work.

    I haven't actually found anything I like about Firefox, but that's just me. do like Seamonkey more or less.


    My girlfriend uses firefox and has all these mouse movements she uses. It's crazy to watch her flipping around.

    I use IE just because that's what my job requires. I've always liked Opera (except for that stint where they were advertising).

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  • From Godsmith@VERT/THWAP to Ralph Smole on Thursday, March 01, 2007 08:07:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ralph Smole to Godsmith on Thu Mar 01 2007 08:04 am

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Godsmith to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 28 2007 01:30 pm

    What's the name of the plugin? I definitely need it!
    Thanks!

    The name is IE Tab, and it has many options, you can set sites in it to use
    IE automatically. So maybe that will fix the chatroom issue the other person was having. Not sure tho, but as mentioned, it IS IE, with all its vulnarabilities. It allows ya to just hafta deal with one browser tho.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Godsmith on Thursday, March 01, 2007 13:38:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Godsmith to Ralph Smole on Thu Mar 01 2007 08:07 am

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ralph Smole to Godsmith on Thu Mar 01 2007 08:04 am

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Godsmith to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 28 2007 01:30 pm

    What's the name of the plugin? I definitely need it!
    Thanks!

    The name is IE Tab, and it has many options, you can set sites in it to use IE automatically. So maybe that will fix the chatroom issue the other perso was having. Not sure tho, but as mentioned, it IS IE, with all its vulnarabilities. It allows ya to just hafta deal with one browser tho.


    I tried using it. It still won't work with the chatroom I go to.


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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to Godsmith on Thursday, March 01, 2007 20:12:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Godsmith to Ralph Smole on Thu Mar 01 2007 08:07 am

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ralph Smole to Godsmith on Thu Mar 01 2007 08:04 am

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Godsmith to The Millionaire on Wed Feb 28 2007 01:30 pm

    What's the name of the plugin? I definitely need it!
    Thanks!

    The name is IE Tab, and it has many options, you can set sites in it to use IE automatically. So maybe that will fix the chatroom issue the other perso was having. Not sure tho, but as mentioned, it IS IE, with all its vulnarabilities. It allows ya to just hafta deal with one browser tho.


    Thanks! Going to dl it now!
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  • From Ragnarok@VERT/DOCKSUD to Deuce on Thursday, March 01, 2007 23:24:00
    Deuce wrote:

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no
    reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... there is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is
    used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Ragnarok on Thursday, March 01, 2007 18:49:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ragnarok to Deuce on Thu Mar 01 2007 11:24 pm

    Deuce wrote:

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... there is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

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    Opera is also free software too.

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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to Ragnarok on Friday, March 02, 2007 07:14:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ragnarok to Deuce on Thu Mar 01 2007 11:24 pm

    Deuce wrote:

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... there is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

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    nothing else...

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    With all the excellent plugins and skins, I love Firefox.
    Simple as that.

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  • From John Guillory@VERT/MAINLINE to The Millionaire on Friday, March 02, 2007 19:49:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Ragnarok on Thu Mar 01 2007 06:49 pm

    Opera is also free software too.

    Opera at the time I used it required you to pay for it.... (Granted, you could
    use it for free, but they provided some kind of benifiets of "Registering
    it", and accepted payment fora license to use it... Likewise, there was some aniversy period or something when I got a free license to use it at a
    time.... Was supposed to be a limited time that they gave out free keys....Though to be honest, the days of "Paying" for a Web Browser are Over.... Ever since IE shipped free with Windows'95 and Netscape went free, there's been no real point in charging... Especially considering the heart of all web browsers out there tend to be based upon either one of the two free
    web browsers that started it all (IE and Netscape).

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to John Guillory on Friday, March 02, 2007 19:27:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: John Guillory to The Millionaire on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:49 pm

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Ragnarok on Thu Mar 01 2007 06:49 pm

    Opera is also free software too.

    Opera at the time I used it required you to pay for it.... (Granted, you cou
    use it for free, but they provided some kind of benifiets of "Registering it", and accepted payment fora license to use it... Likewise, there was som aniversy period or something when I got a free license to use it at a time.... Was supposed to be a limited time that they gave out free keys....Though to be honest, the days of "Paying" for a Web Browser are Over.... Ever since IE shipped free with Windows'95 and Netscape went free, there's been no real point in charging... Especially considering the heart o all web browsers out there tend to be based upon either one of the two free web browsers that started it all (IE and Netscape).

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    Actually you're wrong there John. Mozilla was the first browser then IE was copied from it.

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  • From Ragnarok@VERT/DOCKSUD to The Millionaire on Saturday, March 03, 2007 01:09:00
    The Millionaire wrote:

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ragnarok to Deuce on Thu Mar 01 2007 11:24 pm

    Deuce wrote:

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single
    exception... there is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

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    Opera is also free software too.

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    sorry i use free as Freedom => http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
    i want mean "Libre Software"
    in english you have two definitions for "Free" word, Freddom and Price
    in spanish we have two separted words "Libre" and "Gratis"



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  • From Gary Perkins@VERT/SETXBBS to The Millionaire on Saturday, March 03, 2007 00:10:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to John Guillory on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:27 pm

    Actually you're wrong there John. Mozilla was the first browser then IE was copied from it.


    Wasn't it Mosaic from NCSA?

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  • From John Guillory@VERT/MAINLINE to The Millionaire on Saturday, March 03, 2007 00:31:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to John Guillory on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:27 pm

    Opera at the time I used it required you to pay for it.... (Granted, you
    use it for free, but they provided some kind of benifiets of "Registerin it", and accepted payment fora license to use it... Likewise, there was aniversy period or something when I got a free license to use it at a time.... Was supposed to be a limited time that they gave out free keys....Though to be honest, the days of "Paying" for a Web Browser are Over.... Ever since IE shipped free with Windows'95 and Netscape went fr there's been no real point in charging... Especially considering the hear all web browsers out there tend to be based upon either one of the two fr web browsers that started it all (IE and Netscape).

    Actually you're wrong there John. Mozilla was the first browser then IE was copied from it.

    And just where did I say IE was the first browser? I said since IE Shipped, Netscape went free and since then no real point to charge, considering ALL browsers are based upon Netscape (mozilla) and IE.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Ragnarok on Friday, March 02, 2007 23:05:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ragnarok to The Millionaire on Sat Mar 03 2007 01:09 am

    The Millionaire wrote:

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ragnarok to Deuce on Thu Mar 01 2007 11:24 pm

    Deuce wrote:

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... there is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

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    Opera is also free software too.

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    sorry i use free as Freedom => http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
    i want mean "Libre Software"
    in english you have two definitions for "Free" word, Freddom and Price
    in spanish we have two separted words "Libre" and "Gratis"



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Gary Perkins on Friday, March 02, 2007 23:06:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Gary Perkins to The Millionaire on Sat Mar 03 2007 12:10 am

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to John Guillory on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:27 pm

    Actually you're wrong there John. Mozilla was the first browser then IE w copied from it.


    Wasn't it Mosaic from NCSA?

    That's it Mosaic. I knew it was something similar to that.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to John Guillory on Saturday, March 03, 2007 00:46:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: John Guillory to The Millionaire on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:49 pm

    free, there's been no real point in charging... Especially considering the heart of all web browsers out there tend to be based upon either one of the two free web browsers that started it all (IE and Netscape).

    Except for Opera which tends to bet either rendering engine in any sort of meaningfull tests... or Konqueror which tends to beat either rendering engine in any sort of meaningfull tests.

    Hrm... is there a trend here?


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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to The Millionaire on Saturday, March 03, 2007 00:54:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to John Guillory on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:27 pm

    Actually you're wrong there John. Mozilla was the first browser then IE was copied from it.

    Mozilla (ie: Netscape) was just a hacked up copy of NCSA Mosaic.

    Further, NCSA licenced commercial rights to Spyglass, Inc... who licenced them to Microsoft.

    So, both of 'em were just hacked up Mosaics.

    Of course, Mosaic itself was a relative latecomer... the first web browser was WorldWideWeb released in August 1991.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Gary Perkins on Saturday, March 03, 2007 00:54:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Gary Perkins to The Millionaire on Sat Mar 03 2007 12:10 am

    Wasn't it Mosaic from NCSA?

    Close... WorldWideWeb from Tim Berners-Lee.


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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to The Millionaire on Saturday, March 03, 2007 07:00:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Ragnarok on Fri Mar 02 2007 11:05 pm

    Um isn't Gratis French? That's what I've seen on food packages.

    No. It's Portugese.

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  • From Angus McLeod@VERT/ANJO to Gary Perkins on Saturday, March 03, 2007 09:56:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Gary Perkins to The Millionaire on Sat Mar 03 2007 00:10:00

    Actually you're wrong there John. Mozilla was the first browser then IE w copied from it.

    Wasn't it Mosaic from NCSA?

    That sounds right.

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  • From Gary Perkins@VERT/SETXBBS to Deuce on Saturday, March 03, 2007 08:47:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to The Millionaire on Sat Mar 03 2007 12:54 am

    Of course, Mosaic itself was a relative latecomer... the first web browser w WorldWideWeb released in August 1991.

    Oh yeah, forgot all about that one!

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  • From Ragnarok@VERT/DOCKSUD to The Millionaire on Saturday, March 03, 2007 15:35:00
    The Millionaire wrote:

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ragnarok to The Millionaire on Sat Mar 03 2007 01:09 am

    The Millionaire wrote:

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ragnarok to Deuce on Thu Mar 01 2007 11:24 pm

    Deuce wrote:

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have
    absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... there is no way to sign out of a web site after
    HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    ---
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    i use Firefox , is Free Software ,
    nothing else...

    --
    Dock Sud BBS
    http://bbs.docksud.com.ar
    telnet://bbs.docksud.com.ar

    Opera is also free software too.

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    sorry i use free as Freedom =>
    http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html i want mean "Libre Software"
    in english you have two definitions for "Free" word, Freddom and Price
    in spanish we have two separted words "Libre" and "Gratis"



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  • From Ibanez@VERT/BITBUCKT to Ralph Smole on Sunday, March 04, 2007 21:56:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ralph Smole to Ragnarok on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:14 am

    With all the excellent plugins and skins, I love Firefox.
    Simple as that.

    I agree with you 100% there Ralph. There are a couple plugins for Firefox that I refuse to do without:

    1. Web Developer (Wonderful for picking apart webpages)
    2. "Down Them All"

    However, I also like the FireFTP plugin as well.


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  • From Ibanez@VERT/BITBUCKT to Gary Perkins on Sunday, March 04, 2007 22:00:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Gary Perkins to The Millionaire on Sat Mar 03 2007 12:10 am

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to John Guillory on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:27 pm

    Actually you're wrong there John. Mozilla was the first browser then IE w copied from it.


    Wasn't it Mosaic from NCSA?

    I believe there is still a reference to NCSA Mosaic in IE's "About" page under the help menu.

    Lemme check... yep! Cut & Paste:

    "Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign"


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Ibanez on Saturday, March 03, 2007 20:05:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ibanez to Ralph Smole on Sun Mar 04 2007 09:56 pm

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ralph Smole to Ragnarok on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:14 am

    With all the excellent plugins and skins, I love Firefox.
    Simple as that.

    I agree with you 100% there Ralph. There are a couple plugins for Firefox th I refuse to do without:

    1. Web Developer (Wonderful for picking apart webpages)
    2. "Down Them All"

    However, I also like the FireFTP plugin as well.


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    My favorite skin is the Noia 2.0 Extreme. That one is awesome.

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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to The Millionaire on Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:54:00
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: The Millionaire to Ibanez on Sat Mar 03 2007 08:05 pm

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ibanez to Ralph Smole on Sun Mar 04 2007 09:56 pm

    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Ralph Smole to Ragnarok on Fri Mar 02 2007 07:14 am

    With all the excellent plugins and skins, I love Firefox.
    Simple as that.

    I agree with you 100% there Ralph. There are a couple plugins for Firefox I refuse to do without:

    1. Web Developer (Wonderful for picking apart webpages)
    2. "Down Them All"

    However, I also like the FireFTP plugin as well.


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    My favorite skin is the Noia 2.0 Extreme. That one is awesome.


    I'm currently using the Super Mario skin. It's awesome!
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Deuce on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 14:44:00
    Deuce wrote:
    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    Well, I use Firefox for most of my browsing (the plugins man, the plugins.)

    I use Thunderbird + Lightning for email/calendar stuff... I haven't used Opera's email client for a long time, but imho Thunderbird handles multiple accounts better than any other email client... if you only have one email address to use a client for, pretty much anything works.. but with seven email accounts (6 imap, 1 pop3), and 4 nntp accounts, it's the best...

    Though tbird isn't a browser, it's a gecko product that works nicely. Also, I didn't think you would use anything that was free(beer) and closed-source?

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Tiny on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 14:51:00
    Tiny wrote:
    I have been a huge opera supporter for years, even registered it for different platforms over the years. Currently using Firefox for one
    stupid reason, and that's the Foxmarks plugin.

    I use the google browsersync plugin myself.. but same difference... having
    the same bookmarks in a couple locations rocks. My only wish for firefox and thunderbird would be a nice, simple profile import/export, so you can backup from one system (Windows), and easily deploy on another (Mac OSX or Linux) ... I migrated to/from linux with minimal issues in t-bird, had to edit some paths in the prefs.js etc, but OSX was a near nightmare, and I never could get my profile working properly in OSX ... shrug.

    Opera's stated bookmark syncing in the next version, so i'll be able
    to go back soon!

    That's cool, there's a few plugins (Web Developer, Firebug, Noscript, etc)
    that keep me in Firefox for most of my browsing needs... IE Tab view is a nice one too, though never seems to work quite right on some sights...

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to The Millionaire on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 15:05:00
    The Millionaire wrote:
    Actually you're wrong there John. Mozilla was the first browser then IE
    was copied from it.

    You are so far off there, I don't know where to begin...

    Mozilla (Netscape) wasn't first.. it was the first to reach mass penetration, though licensing costs for ISPs really sunk it when MS started giving away the IE toolkits for ISPs.

    Second IE wasn't a copy/clone or any such thing of Netscape, IE3 was very standards compliant (Similar to NN2), NN3 added a bunch of stuff that at the time wasn't actually a standard...

    IE4 and NN4 both added a metric ton of proprietary extensions to the HTML standard at the time, and both submitted their extensions to the w3c hoping to be included in the standard. The w3c took some ideas from both, and came up with their own extended DOM model for javascript interaction... Now both browsers support the w3c dom at about equal levels, with I'd guess around 90% overlap, with each having another 3-5% different from eachother, and about 5% unimplemented... this says nothing wrt CSS2-3 implementations, with about the same levels respectively.

    Firefox 2, and IE7 are pretty decent browsers with about 95% compliance to the DOM for scripting, but less for CSS standards compliance. Opera and KHTML (Konqueror, and Safari/AWK) are nearly 100% for CSS compliance, and slightly worse than Firefox and IE for scripting/DOM abilities. Firefox has a few proprietary extensions to the DOM, and some niceties leaning towards the next ECMAScript (JavaScript) version, but still proprietary.

    There's no such thing as a 100% standards compliant browser, to current specs.. hell, I don't think there's a 100% compliant browser to anything since before HTML3 ... It comest down to what the users, and developers are screaming for.

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  • From Deuce@VERT to Tracker1 on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 17:51:33
    Re: Re: Opera wins!
    By: Tracker1 to Deuce on Wed Mar 07 2007 02:44 pm

    Well, I use Firefox for most of my browsing (the plugins man, the plugins.)

    I use Thunderbird + Lightning for email/calendar stuff... I haven't used Opera's email client for a long time, but imho Thunderbird handles multiple accounts better than any other email client... if you only have one email address to use a client for, pretty much anything works.. but with seven ema accounts (6 imap, 1 pop3), and 4 nntp accounts, it's the best...

    Though tbird isn't a browser, it's a gecko product that works nicely. Also, didn't think you would use anything that was free(beer) and closed-source?

    If I'm not going to modify the source, I don't care if I get it or not.

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  • From Sam Alexander@VERT/SIDEBAND to Deuce on Monday, April 23, 2007 11:57:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to All on Wed Feb 28 2007 04:09 am

    Well, I gave Opera a good hard test drive and now have absolutely no reason left to continue using Seamonkey.

    Opera does everything better than Seamonkey with one single exception... the is no way to sign out of a web site after HTTP authentication is used.

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?


    What OS are you running it on? We have a few guys in our LUG who are die
    hard Opera fans, but personally I've always perferred Firefox.

    Just curious.

    Sam


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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Sam Alexander on Monday, April 23, 2007 17:20:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Sam Alexander to Deuce on Mon Apr 23 2007 11:57 am

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    What OS are you running it on? We have a few guys in our LUG who are die hard Opera fans, but personally I've always perferred Firefox.

    FreeBSD.

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  • From Sam Alexander@VERT/SIDEBAND to Deuce on Thursday, April 26, 2007 16:45:00
    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Deuce to Sam Alexander on Mon Apr 23 2007 06:20 pm

    Re: Opera wins!
    By: Sam Alexander to Deuce on Mon Apr 23 2007 11:57 am

    Does anyone have any reason to stay with a Gecko based browser?

    What OS are you running it on? We have a few guys in our LUG who are die hard Opera fans, but personally I've always perferred Firefox.

    FreeBSD.


    Hehe, as are most of the Opera guys in our group :) I gotta get FreeBSD
    and try it out sometime soon...

    Sam


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