Question I have really is whether it's worth it to pursue anything "new", even if it is just for fun and proof-of-concept, or whether it's not even worth thinking about because nobody would ever use it.
Madcat wrote:
Question I have really is whether it's worth it to pursue anything "new", even if it is just for fun and proof-of-concept, or whether it's not even worth thinking about because nobody would ever use it.
NNTP & SMTP are already supported in Synchronet out of the box, and are internet based protocols.
worth thinking about because nobody would ever use it.
NNTP & SMTP are already supported in Synchronet out of the box, and are internet based protocols.
True, but have you ever tried to network a bunch of NNTP servers together? It's a bit of a hellish experience, especially since, frankly, echo -> nntp and vice versa is still a kludge of magnificent proportions.
NNTP & SMTP are already supported in Synchronet out of the box, and ar internet based protocols.
True, but have you ever tried to network a bunch of NNTP servers together It's a bit of a hellish experience, especially since, frankly, echo -> nn and vice versa is still a kludge of magnificent proportions.
huh?
are you referring to sychronet?
cause doing msg nets via nntp are pretty damn easy.
NNTP & SMTP are already supported in Synchronet out of the box, and are
internet based protocols.
True, but have you ever tried to network a bunch of NNTP servers together? It's a bit of a hellish experience, especially since, frankly, echo -> nntp and vice versa is still a kludge of magnificent proportions.
are you referring to sychronet?
cause doing msg nets via nntp are pretty damn easy.
Yes, as a transport it is, but you still get the kludgery of converting an echo message to something that NNTP "gets" -- which can lead to some interesting results with 'To' addresses and formatting.
Also NNTP does entail a form of routing where there's hubs, where, in effect,
hubs have control over what their nodes do (or don't do).
Madcat wrote:
NNTP & SMTP are already supported in Synchronet out of the box, and are >> internet based protocols.
True, but have you ever tried to network a bunch of NNTP servers together? It's a bit of a hellish experience, especially since, frankly, echo -> nntp and vice versa is still a kludge of magnificent proportions.
A kludge (or kludge headers) that synchronet already supports.. ;)
About 1/3 of the code I wrote for my fidonet support consists of work arounds
to support kludges of kludges. It's horrible. Terrible. QWK/REP stuff was very simple in comparison.
And mine only (at the moment) operates as a point, it relies on another system
to route for it. If anyone can explain how to make routing in fidonet work so
I can understand it, I'd be most greatful...
--- TRACKER1 wrote ---
Honestly, I wouldn't bother.. except for ZeroNet and FidoNet, are there any
FTN networks worth thinking of.. oh, scratch fido from that last part.
The_lorax wrote:
About 1/3 of the code I wrote for my fidonet support consists of work aro to support kludges of kludges. It's horrible. Terrible. QWK/REP stuff w very simple in comparison.
And mine only (at the moment) operates as a point, it relies on another sy to route for it. If anyone can explain how to make routing in fidonet wor I can understand it, I'd be most greatful...
Honestly, I wouldn't bother.. except for ZeroNet and FidoNet, are there any FTN networks worth thinking of.. oh, scratch fido from that last part.
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Honestly, I wouldn't bother.. except for ZeroNet and FidoNet, are there any FTN networks worth thinking of.. oh, scratch fido from that last part.
Honestly, I wouldn't bother.. except for ZeroNet and FidoNet, are there a FTN networks worth thinking of.. oh, scratch fido from that last part.
Fidonet's neat to have, if for nothing else pure nostalgia. There are some active echos on there, though it really does need to be purged. I mean AMIGASALE, CDROMSALE, CPMTECH, just to name a few... if Fidonet were to be purged down to 20-30 active echos, it would become I think just as popular if not more so then Dovenet.
think BBSes like Fax Machines are a technology they cannot control.
Everyone got forced into Internet usage and forgot about Arpanet the Internet came from was developed in part by governments. It was designed to be a way of communication after a nuclear war or some other disaster. It
had much better commercial uses and became the Internet. BBSes had to die because governments could not control or censor them. So they made the
Re: Re: Internet and FTN
By: Generalram to Madcat on Sun Apr 01 2012 06:25 pm
think BBSes like Fax Machines are a technology they cannot control.
Everyone got forced into Internet usage and forgot about Arpanet the Internet came from was developed in part by governments. It was designed be a way of communication after a nuclear war or some other disaster. It had much better commercial uses and became the Internet. BBSes had to die because governments could not control or censor them. So they made the
i dont buy into this conspiracy theory about bbses. bbses went to hell beca bbses couldnt provide what people wanted. also bbs operators had the mentali that it was bbses vs the internet. most of them didnt consider adopting or merging with the internet.
they had poor foresight and a poor handle on what
people wanted at that time. they were like an old man who refused to leave house even though a horrible hurricane was coming.
More like MS-DOS verses Windows 95. BBSes were like a primative system and the Internet was designed to be user friendly and easier to use.
Well due to Internet monitoring and governments censoring communication, I think BBSes like Fax Machines are a technology they cannot control.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Generalram <=-Such as BinkP + SSL?
Well due to Internet monitoring and governments censoring communication, I think BBSes like Fax Machines are a technology they cannot control.
I wonder how hard it would be to come up with a standard for encrypting mailer/BBS traffic? I'd love to set up a mesh VPN between me, my
uplinks and downinks...
I wonder how hard it would be to come up with a standard for encrypting mailer/BBS traffic? I'd love to set up a mesh VPN between me, my uplinks
and downinks...
Whats with this new message editor?
Here's the problem with BBS's! I'm typing a mesage here and its asking me to press CTRL-Z to save, when C[C[C[C[C[C[C is the command to
background a program.
Perhaps for the BBS to survive, it needs to become more peer to peer. It needs to be able to allow people to log onto my computer and see the files I've shared. Maybe a standard could be created where each person can be a host, a peer in a distributed BBS. So I c[C[C[D[D[D[D
i dont buy into this conspiracy theory about bbses. bbses went to hell because bbses couldnt provide what people wanted. also bbs operators had
the mentality that it was bbses vs the internet. most of them didnt
consider adopting or merging with the internet.
they had poor foresight and a poor handle on what
people wanted at that time. they were like an old man who refused to leave his house even though a horrible hurricane was coming.
they had poor foresight and a poor handle on what
people wanted at that time. they were like an old man who refused to leave his house even though a horrible hurricane was coming.
HyperText killed BBSs.
Re: Re: Internet and FTN
By: echto to Mro on Sat May 12 2012 08:59 pm
they had poor foresight and a poor handle on what
people wanted at that time. they were like an old man who refused to leave his house even though a horrible hurricane was coming.
HyperText killed BBSs.
no they had poor foresight and a poor handle on what people wanted at that time.
Re: Re: Internet and FTN
By: Generalram to Madcat on Sun Apr 01 2012 06:25 pm
Well due to Internet monitoring and governments censoring
communication, I think BBSes like Fax Machines are a technology they cannot control.
I wonder how hard it would be to come up with a standard for encrypting mailer/BBS traffic? I'd love to set up a mesh VPN between me, my uplinks
and downinks...
Re: Re: Internet and FTN
By: Generalram to Madcat on Sun Apr 01 2012 06:25 pm
think BBSes like Fax Machines are a technology they cannot control.
Everyone got forced into Internet usage and forgot about Arpanet the Internet came from was developed in part by governments. It was designed be a way of communication after a nuclear war or some other disaster. It had much better commercial uses and became the Internet. BBSes had to die because governments could not control or censor them. So they made the
i dont buy into this conspiracy theory about bbses. bbses went to hell beca bbses couldnt provide what people wanted. also bbs operators had the mentali that it was bbses vs the internet. most of them didnt consider adopting or merging with the internet.
they had poor foresight and a poor handle on what
people wanted at that time. they were like an old man who refused to leave house even though a horrible hurricane was coming.
I have to say that BBSes were so great back in the day and yes the
goverment in my opinion could not control them. I also believe one of the
I have to say that BBSes were so great back in the day and yes the goverment in my opinion could not control them.
--- POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote --
They did try - look up Operation Sundevil if you didn't live it.
They did try - look up Operation Sundevil if you didn't live it.
I remember that. The headquarters for it was about 2 miles from my parents house.
Re: Re: Internet and FTN
By: the doctor to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thu Oct 11 2012 03:04 pm
> > They did try - look up Operation Sundevil if you didn't live it.
> I remember that. The headquarters for it was about 2 miles from my parents
> house.
Anyone who hasn't heard of this should read "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling. I hadn't read it in years, found a .mobi copy that downloaded into my
Kindle from Project Gutenberg.
I can still remember where I was when I heard about Rusty & Edie's,
though. That was huge news for us back then... it kinda brought home
the fact that we knew half of us had pirated software and could have the government knocking on our doors at anytime.
All of the stories from those days are extremely fascinating reads. I
was just getting into BBSing around 92, and while I was extremely active
in the local networks, I never bothered with Fidonet, and didn't "waste"
my money on magazines. When I started looking back at what all was happening in those years, it's astounding.
Re: Re: Internet and FTN
By: Dreamer to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Oct 11 2012 05:15 pm
All of the stories from those days are extremely fascinating reads. I was just getting into BBSing around 92, and while I was extremely active in the local networks, I never bothered with Fidonet, and didn't "waste" my money on magazines. When I started looking back at what all was happening in those years, it's astounding.
My BBS and a local othernet got coverage in a regional newspaper, an article written about us and published in the National Enquirer, and phone calls fro the Secret Service after one of our callers skipped the country after the local PD had confiscated his passport. As a 20-something running a BBS out o his house before most people had even heard of the internet, it was pretty exciting.
Looking back, I wish I saved the Enquirer article. If anyone has the Enquire with the photoshopped photo of Fabio and Rosanne Barr in bed together, pleas let me know. :)
--pF
My BBS and a local othernet got coverage in a regional newspaper, an article written about us and published in the National Enquirer, and phone calls from the Secret Service after one of our callers skipped the country after the local PD had confiscated his passport. As a 20-something running a BBS out of his house before most people had even heard of the internet, it was pretty exciting.
Looking back, I wish I saved the Enquirer article. If anyone has the Enquirer with the photoshopped photo of Fabio and Rosanne Barr in bed together, please let me know. :)
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