Re: Internet 2.0
By: Shadowheart to Khelair on Tue Mar 05 2013 18:40:00
Good lord a cut 'n paste just went awry and I lost a good 25-50 lines of text that I'd been typing in my reply to you. :( I'll try to recreate what I had written previously; I wonder why the hell 'pico'
couldn't handle some simple pasted raw text.
Re: Internet 2.0
By: Khelair to The Millionaire on Tue Mar 05 2013 11:07 am
Almost true. BBSes will probably just be local islands of relatively isolated folks, unless many of them have exchanged analog line
That is sort of the way it was before america online came around.
I was online in this day and age, as well. I knew of 2 local BBS systems that I found out about from a friend, when I first picked up some telecommunications equipment (archaic as it was); I have no idea where he
came up with these numbers, but there was no real 'list' around here at
the time. After I got to know some of the users of these local BBSes, I made pretty good friends with another kid who was my same age on there; he opened my eyes to the wonder that was the internet before the days of the WWW. The only number available for access at the time was via the higher education computer network for the state, and the accounts weren't legitimate, they were CrackerJack produced dictionary attack successes from somebody that knew their *NIX stuff before I even knew what it was. Those were back in the days where files were found solely by archie and FTP, the closest thing to the web was gopher, and if you went to other sites it was by telnet or rlogin.
You are almost correct but you must be young because originally fidonet and things like usenet and what not were around before the conveniance of the
internet to transfer the mail packets. long ago in a land far far away sysops used to use things called front door mailers and such to frequently call out to other bbs's in order to send netmail back and fourth from bbs to bbs. back then the bbs was used daily to send and receive email because it wasnt as instant as it is now a days. some sysops had their bbs's configured to do the mail transfers at midnight.
Oh I'm well aware of ZMH and the way that message packets were transferred between analog line based systems. I thought I made that
clear in my message but it could well have been one that I typed either A) before having enough coffee to make my point clearly or B) after so much coffee that my point came unhinged and I hurriedly banged at the keys from
my Larry King hunchbacked position in front of the glowing amusement box here. I'm totally working on getting my BBS set up with all of this
oldschool technology as backup systems whenever my place of work isn't
keeping me too busy with the whole wageslave thing.
I'm 35, btw. ;) Younger than a bunch that I've seen around, but
by no means a spring chicken any more. Just a couple of years ago I
started developing a paunch on my gut that I thought I would NEVER have to
deal with thanks to how fast my metabolism has always been; alas, now I can't keep it off unless I'm running 6+ miles per week and interspersing
it with physical training damn near as hard as the Army used to put me
through.
The 'internet kill switch' is a rumor and theoretical at that. i am not saying the government does not have the power to order the servers running the internet because most are probably run in area 51 or something. Do nott get me wrong, i believe it is important for it to continue running we need persons like yourself calling polititions out to be parinoid of infringing o our constitutional rights. if no one squeeked their wheels no one would get anything fixed because the politicians would become complaicent.
I try to be as politically active as possible without seeming to
get onto their lunatic fringe list. The time needed to be able to get
this kind of action done just seems to melt away more and more now that
I'm working again, though.
As far as there being an actual big red switch that the chief
executive hits to take all of our 'net communications down, I'm sure
you're right. However, please take a look at the following analysis of
his Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness
Communications Functions (an executive order):
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The White House has finally responded to criticism over US President Barack Obama’s hushed signing last week of an Executive Order that allows the government to command privately-owned communication systems and acknowledges its implications.
When President Obama inked his name to the Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions Executive Order on July 6, he authorized the US Department of Homeland Security to take control of the country’s wired and wireless communications — including the Internet — in instances of emergency. The signing was accompanied with little to no acknowledgment outside of the White House, but initial reports on the order quickly caused the public to speak out over what some equated to creating an Oval Office kill switch for the Web. Now the Obama administration is addressing those complaints by calling the Executive Order a necessary implement for America’s national security.
“The [order] recognizes the creation of DHS and provides the Secretary the flexibility to organize the communications systems and functions that reside within the department as [Homeland Security Secretary Janet A. Napolitano] believes will be most effective,” White House spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden tells the Washington Post.
Hayden insists that “The [order] does not transfer authorities between or among departments,” but the order does indeed allow the DHS to establish and implement control over even the privately owned communication systems in the country, including Internet Service Providers such as Time Warner, Verizon and Comcast, if the administration agrees that it is warranted for security’s sake.
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(cut from:
http://www.mercatornet.com/sheila_liaugminas/view/11281)
networks would revert to dial up connections.
it would be slow but i think we would find a way to manage.
there would be no way to locate backup modem numbers on the web, there
that is why bbs lists are usually advertised on local boards. in the day the sysops used to have god by screens for a logging off user to call such and such bbs. now most of the bbs lists really only list the telenet addresses o other boards. if you would imagine every where you see a wep or ip address link to visit another board listing a phone number you may be able to imagin how it was.
I agree to a point. I think that it would take some serious time, though. The mainstream users of the web these days will just be shut down, I believe. The diehards will be able to start looking for ways to get in contact with BBSes again, but the very fact that BBSes list telnet addresses instead of phone numbers will make this nigh impossible. Who knows how many people are going to actually have the digits written down when searching for them via the internet is no longer possible.
it would be sysops getting together with other sysops telling each other i will put your bbs number on my board if you do the same and advertise mine. that has mutated to how on our networked message bases people post their board advertisements like the pharcyde agoranet. back then that is how acid networks got started.
Ayuh, I agree. I really think that sysops that aren't already connected to Fido or Dove-Net are going to be outside of that loop for quite some time, though. What I'm trying to say is that yeah, it'll evolve and will survive, but it's going to take some time, and the time that it's going to take is going to be when people need the networking resource the most, I fear. Who other than the aforementioned sysops of those networks have dialup numbers written down or stored in a text file for use? I guess the Thai probably have some, at least. ;)
this is how much the bbs scene has mutated to/from the internet. it also demonstrates how entagral the internet has become and how much of political suicide it would be for any politician to "press" the internet "off/kill" switch.
Absolutely it would. What about for a president like Obama which has already taken for granted his mandate from the people via the 2nd election, though? He doesn't have anything to lose. He'll get a plush corporate job after his presidency no matter what the constituents think of him, provided he doesn't usurp dictatorial control at some point in the next 3+ years.
all you need is one phone number of an active dial up bbs and you can get other dial up numbers from that one. that is how we used to do it back in th day. it was word of mouth and grew from there. i remember going to a Radio Shack to get my first bbs numbers.
I hear what you're saying, my good man, but I don't really agree on this point. Those will take serious time to be generated and propagated around again, most likely when we need the resource of international networking most.
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