Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other model railroaders in the echo?

I've seen an number of RC'ers .. which sounds very interesting, but curious to see if there are any railroaders.

I'm in N-scale (1:160), primarily modelling Canadian National (CN) in the
80s, so some TH&B rolling stock exists on non-mainlines.

Hamilton, Ontario is a bit of a nexus for CN and CPR (Canadian Pacific) ...
CPR bought the TH&B (Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo Railway), so I've been rather liberal with inclusion of each. The focus here is the escarpment and the antique incline railways (which no longer exist in reality) and Stelco along Lake Ontario.

Anywho, hit me back,

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Tharius to All on Sat Jun 11 2005 09:49 pm

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other model railroaders in the echo?

I have a couple of Bachman HO sets I bring out around Christmas. :-)

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Tharius to All on Sat Jun 11 2005 21:49:00

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other model railroaders in the echo?

Not that I know of, but maybe there are lurkers?

I'm in N-scale (1:160), primarily modelling Canadian National (CN) in the 80s, so some TH&B rolling stock exists on non-mainlines.

Sounds interesting! Are those things aerobatic? ;-)

Hamilton, Ontario...

Is that where you're from?

...is a bit of a nexus for CN and CPR (Canadian Pacific) ... CPR bought
the TH&B (Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo Railway), so I've been rath
liberal with inclusion of each. The focus here is the escarpment and
the antique incline railways (which no longer exist in reality) and
Stelco along Lake Ontario.

So do you have photos on the net?

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Digital Man to Tharius on Sun Jun 12 2005 01:15:00

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other model railroaders in the echo?

I have a couple of Bachman HO sets I bring out around Christmas. :-)

Sheesh!


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Re: Model Railroading
By: Digital Man to Tharius on Sun Jun 12 2005 02:15:00

Re: Model Railroading
By: Tharius to All on Sat Jun 11 2005 09:49 pm

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other model railroaders in the echo?

I have a couple of Bachman HO sets I bring out around Christmas. :-)

digital man

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I'm pretty sure almost everyone has one of those set. Nice but not exactly
what you call modelling. :> What you should do though if you have the room is turn that into something that could be an ongoing project. I haven't every really seen anyone that stays with the Christmas theme but if you got the
room, Go with it.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Katana to Digital Man on Mon Jun 13 2005 04:07 am

Re: Model Railroading
By: Tharius to All on Sat Jun 11 2005 09:49 pm

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other mod railroaders in the echo?

I have a couple of Bachman HO sets I bring out around Christmas. :-)

I'm pretty sure almost everyone has one of those set. Nice but not exactly what you call modelling. :> What you should do though if you have the room i turn that into something that could be an ongoing project. I haven't every really seen anyone that stays with the Christmas theme but if you got the room, Go with it.

It's not a Chirstmas theme set. I don't really have the room (or the interest) for a setup 365 days a year. Plus, with the kids, they tend to want to play with (and ultimately break) the locos and cars and stuff. So I appreciate the EZ-track which allows me to easily set it up and tear it down and reconfigure the track and stuff.

You're right, it's not "modelling". I don't really get into the ultra-realism or anything. <shrug>

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Digital Man to Tharius on Sun Jun 12 2005 02:15:00

I have a couple of Bachman HO sets I bring out around Christmas. :-)

Heh, I'll count you as seasonal then :>


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Re: Model Railroading
By: Angus Mcleod to Tharius on Sun Jun 12 2005 10:30:00

Sounds interesting! Are those things aerobatic? ;-)

Hamilton, Ontario...

Is that where you're from?

liberal with inclusion of each. The focus here is the escarpment and
the antique incline railways (which no longer exist in reality) and Stelco along Lake Ontario.

So do you have photos on the net?

As you aerobatic ... well ... errr.. not intentionally :> Though my CP engine has occasionally decided life on the tracks is just not worth living and taken a 4 foot dive :> Yes, I'm from Hamilton, which I suppose explains the interest in the historical side of what I see out of my window most days as opposed to simply reproducing what is there now. I think that's one of my big draws to the hobby is the history behind a lot of the things out there. No photos yet, but eventually yes including a webcam feed. :)


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Re: Model Railroading
By: Digital Man to Katana on Mon Jun 13 2005 14:44:00

Re: Model Railroading
By: Katana to Digital Man on Mon Jun 13 2005 04:07 am

Re: Model Railroading
By: Tharius to All on Sat Jun 11 2005 09:49 pm

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other railroaders in the echo?

I have a couple of Bachman HO sets I bring out around Christmas. :-)

I'm pretty sure almost everyone has one of those set. Nice but not exactl what you call modelling. :> What you should do though if you have the roo turn that into something that could be an ongoing project. I haven't ever really seen anyone that stays with the Christmas theme but if you got the room, Go with it.

It's not a Chirstmas theme set. I don't really have the room (or the interes for a setup 365 days a year. Plus, with the kids, they tend to want to play with (and ultimately break) the locos and cars and stuff. So I appreciate th EZ-track which allows me to easily set it up and tear it down and reconfigur the track and stuff.

You're right, it's not "modelling". I don't really get into the ultra-realis or anything. <shrug>

digital man

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Well it was just a thought. That is the one thing that I love about modelling though is that you can get an entire rail road layout to look so real. Something that sprals 100 miles on something that is no bigger than a kitchen table.
LOVE IT!!!!

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Tharius to Angus Mcleod on Tue Jun 14 2005 09:21:00

Sounds interesting! Are those things aerobatic? ;-)

Hamilton, Ontario...

Is that where you're from?

liberal with inclusion of each. The focus here is the escarpment and the antique incline railways (which no longer exist in reality) and Stelco along Lake Ontario.

So do you have photos on the net?

As you aerobatic ... well ... errr.. not intentionally :> Though my CP engi has occasionally decided life on the tracks is just not worth living and tak a 4 foot dive :>

I've got a friend who told me that his R/C car *COULD* do a loop, but he
gave up when I asked if it could do three in a row... :-)

Yes, I'm from Hamilton, which I suppose explains the interest in the historical side of what I see out of my window most days as opposed t simply reproducing what is there now. I think that's one of my big
draws to the hobby is the history behind a lot of the things out there.

I'm interested in the historical aspect of modelling too, which is why I desire to get into scale modelling seriously. I fixate on and lust after beautiful aircraft like the Percival Mew Gull, the Dehavilland DH88 Comet,
the BAC TSR2 and the Messerschmitt Me-262 Schwalbe, all aircraft which I
hope some day to own and fly. Along with a long list of others....

No photos yet but eventually yes including a webcam feed. :)

Well, I'm not a "Train" guy particularly, but I'd be interested to see
what you got when you're ready. On-board camera systems for my models are
a little difficult to arrange. You can buy OTC solutions but they are
around $500 to start..... Would be really cool, tho! :-)


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Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other model railroaders in the echo?

Yes. ;-)

I'm in N-scale (1:160), primarily modelling Canadian National (CN) in the 80s, so some TH&B rolling stock exists on non-mainlines.

I'm in HO scale. Started out wanting to model the Louisville & Nashville
(L&N) but decided to freelance instead. I don't have much of a layout, due
to a lack of space. I would have went N scale but all of my older
equipment was in HO, and back when I got back in the hobby, there was still
not as much available for N.

I do paint and detail (or attempt to) locos and cars.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Angus Mcleod to Tharius on Tue Jun 14 2005 21:34:00

I'm interested in the historical aspect of modelling too, which is why I desire to get into scale modelling seriously. I fixate on and lust after Well, I'm not a "Train" guy particularly, but I'd be interested to see
what you got when you're ready. On-board camera systems for my models are
a little difficult to arrange. You can buy OTC solutions but they are around $500 to start..... Would be really cool, tho! :-)

I find that kit modelling is somewhat unsatisfying. I mean you can put together a commercial kit and feel great ... and it looks awesome, until your buddy plunks down his 100 bucks and shows you his new _________ model :>

The onboard stuff for the nscale trains is rather pricy as well... not a lot of room under the chasis. HO isn't too bad, but that's why we end up with webcams hidden in the layout at dramatic points. I think RF aircraft would be a very enjoyable hobby, but I think at the moment the financial constraints have got me playing amateur banker instead :>


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Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 19 2005 10:40:00

I'm in HO scale. Started out wanting to model the Louisville & Nashville (L&N) but decided to freelance instead. I don't have much of a layout, due to a lack of space. I would have went N scale but all of my older
equipment was in HO, and back when I got back in the hobby, there was still not as much available for N.

The stomping grounds for the L&N seem pretty straightforward but did the line pass through Chatenooga (sp)? So, you're freelancing ... any particular features that you've found especially interesting in the area that you're planning to incorporate?

Yes, N really can be difficult to locate stock for. We have a good shop here and a larger than average N community in Hamilton... I suppose more apartment dwellers here heh. You mentioned you do get into painting/decalling your own engines, that's something I am giong to be trying when I get back into swing. The price of custom painted cars and engines is just outrageous.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Tharius to Angus Mcleod on Tue Jun 21 2005 10:55:00

I'm interested in the historical aspect of modelling too, which is why I desire to get into scale modelling seriously.

I find that kit modelling is somewhat unsatisfying. I mean you can put together a commercial kit and feel great ... and it looks awesome, until you buddy plunks down his 100 bucks and shows you his new _________ model :>

Yes, but R/C modellers can and frequently build with OUT use of a kit. I

There are four types of construction:

i) ARF (Almost ready to Fly). This is a kit that is almost finished.
You get to do the final assembly, and can then add any external details
toy want to. Example:

http://www.anjo.com/rc/aircraft/dr1/

ii) Kit. You get the major parts, and assemble them according to a set of instructions. (Making alterations is called kit-bashing, and is common.)
You have to buy all the extras and do all the finishing yourself.
Example:

http://www.anjo.com/rc/aircraft/bobcat/

iii) From a Plan. You start with a blueprint and you have to build
every last bit yourself. The plan is often adapted considerably before construction is completed. Example:

http://www.anjo.com/rc/aircraft/easyjet/

in which the wing was moved to a different part of the fuselage from that indicted on the plan, and the engine assemblies were removed entirely to
give a glider. Another example of an aircraft still under construction:

http://www.anjo.com/rc/aircraft/mewgull/

iv) Scratch Built. This means you started with nothing but an idea in
your head. When you get here, you picture what you want, draw up your own plans, and build it. You don't have to take what's for sale. You can
build anything from a Shorts Sunderland to a Tie-fighter, and can be
assured that nobody will appear with the same model next week. I have not advanced to this difficult level of modelling as yet, so I can't offer any examples of my own.

I think RF aircraft would be a very enjoyable hobby, but I think at the moment the financial constraints have got me playing amateur banker
instead :>

Well, one of the hard things about buildingn R/C models is that you have
to learn to *FLY* them! And you don't go an build a scale De Havilland
DH.89 Dragon Rapide

http://tinyurl.com/eyers

as your first model and try to learn to fly on it! You have to start with
a simple model flight-envelope-wise *and* construction difficulty-wise,
and work your way up. So before you get to scratch-build your beloved
Blohm und Voss "Zerstoerer"

http://www.geocities.com/asymmetrics/bvzerstlogo.jpg

you will have built a number of other aircraft first. This puts the cost
of the B+V up a but! :-) But it isn't *that* expensive to get going.

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you will have built a number of other aircraft first. This puts the
cost of the B+V up a but! :-) But it isn't *that* expensive to get going.

I just had to bring this to your attention...

Your sentance, "This puts the cost of the B+V up a but!" just made me
laugh out loud. :)

Did it hurt? :)





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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Sniper to Angus Mcleod on Tue Jun 21 2005 19:53:00

you will have built a number of other aircraft first. This puts the cost of the B+V up a but! :-) But it isn't *that* expensive to get going.

I just had to bring this to your attention...

Your sentance, "This puts the cost of the B+V up a but!" just made me
laugh out loud. :)

Did it hurt? :)

Heh! Not *my* but, I can assure you! :-)

s/but/bit/;

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Angus Mcleod to Tharius on Tue Jun 21 2005 18:52:00

instructions. (Making alterations is called kit-bashing, and is common.) iii) From a Plan. You start with a blueprint and you have to build
iv) Scratch Built. This means you started with nothing but an idea in

These three methods are exceptionally common to railroading so I entirely understand what you mean. On my vacations lately I have a tendancy to find low cost methods of relaxing, one thing I go and do is visit old sites ... I have built up a somewhat impressive (if still small) gallery of very unique buildings. Some of these buildings I will kitbash together (eg Atlas makes a 3 bay round house ... 2 of these together can be modified to make the Steam Whistle Brewery of Toronto fairly short order). Others will need to be built from a plan. Since I don't have a plan this sort of falls into scratch building but I do have a few small advantages. The cad software I have can import a jpg, thus I can take some of my pictures and create a vector diagram of the building, then attempt to fill in the missing details by eye.

I find that the scratch building is definately the most satisfying method, and something I'm ready to try with the static models. I am still pretty antsy when it comes to bashing or building boxcars or engines but working on it :>

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to your hobby is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a quick set nitrile to form moulds and a product called Alumlite for tough parts and 2 part liquid styrene for light duty parts.

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Re: Modelling
By: Tharius to Angus Mcleod on Wed Jun 22 2005 09:16:00

I find that the scratch building is definately the most satisfying method, a something I'm ready to try with the static models. I am still pretty antsy when it comes to bashing or building boxcars or engines but working on it :>

I have not attempted to scratch-build an aircraft, but it is my desire to
do so as soon as I am confident that I will achieve some degree of
success. My construction projects have been gearing slowly toward that
end. When I complete the Mew Gull, I will decide what next based on how successful that project turns out. I believe that scratch-building is the ultimate. Of course, there is scratch-building and scratch-building. A simple model of an aircraft that doesn't exist in reality is quite
different from trying to re-capture the glory of some unusual aircraft,
based possibly on nothing more than 3-view drawings and the odd
photograph!

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to your hobb is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a quick set nitrile to form moulds and a product called Alumlite for tough parts and 2 part liquid styrene for light duty parts.

I've looked at making mouldings, but I've never given it a try. Since my aircraft have to fly, perform aerobatics, and come back to earth with a tremendous *thump* (and that's a GOOD landing), structural components have
to be strong. Items which are added for scale detail only (pilot figure, machine guns, various blisters, fairings, dummy engines, exhaust stacks,
and so forth) need to be robust enough not to shatter when stressed, but
also lightweight so as not to push up the wing-loading on the model. I
can't decide what type of mould-maker substance is good, and I can't
decide what to use to fabricate the final components.

I figure some time I'll get into pilot-figure busts. Make a figure out of plastascine, coat it with some sort of rubbery, latexy mould-making
compound that will give a flexible/stretchy mould, and use some sort of foaming compound to make the copies. I don't really know exactly what I'm talking about here, but....


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Re: Modelling
By: Tharius to Angus Mcleod on Wed Jun 22 2005 09:16 am

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to your hobb is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a quick set nitrile to form moulds and a product called Alumlite for tough parts and 2 part liquid styrene for light duty parts.

You need one of THESE babies!

http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1

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Re: Modelling
By: richardw to Tharius on Wed Jun 22 2005 11:18:00

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to your h is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a quick set nitrile form moulds and a product called Alumlite for tough parts and 2 part liqu styrene for light duty parts.

You need one of THESE babies!

http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1

Only $26K? I'll get TWO so as to have a spare!


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Re: Modelling
By: Angus Mcleod to richardw on Wed Jun 22 2005 02:25 pm

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to you is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a quick set nitri form moulds and a product called Alumlite for tough parts and 2 part l styrene for light duty parts.

You need one of THESE babies!

http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1

Only $26K? I'll get TWO so as to have a spare!

OK. You need to stop fretting over shipping costs from the UK.

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Re: Modelling
By: Angus Mcleod to Tharius on Wed Jun 22 2005 11:28 am

Re: Modelling
By: Tharius to Angus Mcleod on Wed Jun 22 2005 09:16:00

I find that the scratch building is definately the most satisfying method something I'm ready to try with the static models. I am still pretty ant when it comes to bashing or building boxcars or engines but working on it

I have not attempted to scratch-build an aircraft

"Spooky" doesn't count?

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Re: Modelling
By: Digital Man to Angus Mcleod on Wed Jun 22 2005 13:26:00

I find that the scratch building is definately the most satisfying met something I'm ready to try with the static models. I am still pretty when it comes to bashing or building boxcars or engines but working on

I have not attempted to scratch-build an aircraft

"Spooky" doesn't count?

LOL!

No, Spooky is too simple an aircraft to consider. I'm afraid it's just
about time Spooky was retired. Last time I took it up, only one aileron worked. I tried an axial roll, and when it got over on it's back it
wouldn't roll any furthur. I had to rapidly turn the manoever into a
Split-S (at an altitude much too low to safely do a Split-S), just to get
it right-ways up again.

Spooky has an 8-channel Rx in it, at a cost of about $90, and two $27
servos. ANd the entire airframe only cost $24 Bajan dollerettes!


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Re: Modelling
By: Angus Mcleod to Digital Man on Wed Jun 22 2005 10:42 pm

I have not attempted to scratch-build an aircraft

"Spooky" doesn't count?

LOL!

No, Spooky is too simple an aircraft to consider.

I'd count it. :-)

I'm afraid it's just
about time Spooky was retired. Last time I took it up, only one aileron worked. I tried an axial roll, and when it got over on it's back it wouldn't roll any furthur. I had to rapidly turn the manoever into a Split-S (at an altitude much too low to safely do a Split-S), just to get
it right-ways up again.

Spooky has an 8-channel Rx in it, at a cost of about $90, and two $27 servos. ANd the entire airframe only cost $24 Bajan dollerettes!

Do I hear the canibals coming? :-)

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Hello richardw.

22 Jun 05 12:18, you wrote to me:

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to
your hobb is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a
quick set nitrile to form moulds and a product called Alumlite for
tough parts and 2 part liquid styrene for light duty parts.

You need one of THESE babies!

http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1

And at a paltry 26 grand how can the average hobbyist be without! :)

Stephen


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Re: Modelling
By: Digital Man to Angus Mcleod on Thu Jun 23 2005 01:36:00

"Spooky" doesn't count?

LOL!

No, Spooky is too simple an aircraft to consider.

I'd count it. :-)

It was a fun aircraft, but it hardly qualifies me as a scratch-builder!

Spooky has an 8-channel Rx in it, at a cost of about $90, and two $27 servos. ANd the entire airframe only cost $24 Bajan dollerettes!

Do I hear the canibals coming? :-)

The next time I need a big Rx... I have a 4-ch. and at least two 5-ch. receivers lying around, but no 'spare' 8-ch. receivers.


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Hello Angus.

22 Jun 05 12:28, you wrote to me:

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to
your hobb is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a
quick set nitrile to form moulds and a product called Alumlite for
tough parts and 2 part liquid styrene for light duty parts.

with a tremendous *thump* (and that's a GOOD landing), structural components have to be strong. Items which are added for scale detail
only (pilot figure, machine guns, various blisters, fairings, dummy engines, exhaust stacks, and so forth) need to be robust enough not to shatter when stressed, but also lightweight so as not to push up the

I highly recommend Alumlite when you check into it further. It's very lightweight, but definately has strength to it. It's also sandable, paintable etc. It's main disadvantage is a high thermal set (the heat released when the two components mix and bond) which won't be a relevant issue for what you're working with I don't think.

use some sort of foaming compound to make the copies. I don't really
know exactly what I'm talking about here, but....

No one ever does when they start out into something new :) The recommendation is to make the mould out of a non-pourous material. I've worked with brass and plastic however varnished wood would also work quite well. The object is normally affixed inside a dammed off area (eg plastic walls the seams filled with plastercine). In the case of a 1/2 pilot type model where the seat will seperately make up his back, you would just brush on mould release (formulas vary depending on the mould compound ... petroleum jelly & napatha mixed correctly work well) allow to dry then pour the mould material over the figure.

In the case of a full body model (eg like a GI Joe) ... well, professionally they made 2 1pc molds and screwed them together. Disadvantage ... major flashing lines. The 1 ea 1pc mold for a 2 sided figure would involve mounting it on a spur, filling 1/2 of the dammed area and allow to set. Then brush lightly with mould release allow to dry and pour part 2. When it comes apart you're in business. This method can be tricky for a number of reasons but, well, you're not going to use this as your step by step heh.

It can be very difficult but ultimately when you see your custom part available to you in small scale mass production it's well worth it. A properly designed mold can produce a great number of parts in a small investment.

Stephen

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The stomping grounds for the L&N seem pretty straightforward but did the line pass through Chatenooga (sp)? So, you're freelancing ... any particular features that you've found especially interesting in the area that you're planning to incorporate?

I believe that it did, once they absorbed the Nashville, Chattanooga, and
St. Louis. I still have not quite settled on a geographic area as yet.

Yes, N really can be difficult to locate stock for. We have a good shop here and a larger than average N community in Hamilton... I suppose more apartment dwellers here heh. You mentioned you do get into painting/decalling your own engines, that's something I am giong to be trying when I get back into swing. The price of custom painted cars and engines is just outrageous.

Well, I do paint, but I don't decal. I never could get those to work. I
use dry transfers instead. They seem to work a little better for me.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 26 2005 06:29 pm

The stomping grounds for the L&N seem pretty straightforward but did the l pass through Chatenooga (sp)? So, you're freelancing ... any particular features that you've found especially interesting in the area that you're planning to incorporate?

I believe that it did, once they absorbed the Nashville, Chattanooga, and St. Louis. I still have not quite settled on a geographic area as yet.

Isn't the line that goes through Chattanooga now primarily CSX??

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Daryl Stout to MIKE POWELL on Sun Jun 26 2005 23:21:00

Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 26 2005 06:29 pm

The stomping grounds for the L&N seem pretty straightforward but did th pass through Chatenooga (sp)? So, you're freelancing ... any particula features that you've found especially interesting in the area that you' planning to incorporate?

I believe that it did, once they absorbed the Nashville, Chattanooga, and St. Louis. I still have not quite settled on a geographic area as yet.

Isn't the line that goes through Chattanooga now primarily CSX??

CSX and Norfolk Southern.. I've never seen any other lines run down the tracks here.


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Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 26 2005 18:29:00

pass through Chatenooga (sp)? So, you're freelancing ... any particular features that you've found especially interesting in the area that you're

I believe that it did, once they absorbed the Nashville, Chattanooga, and St. Louis. I still have not quite settled on a geographic area as yet.

I mentioned it because if you were interested in a sample yard on your prototype's network, Holiday Inn now owns the Chatenooga Union Station, and iirc they have a heck of a mountain line right nearby, lots of good features
to pick and choose from.


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I believe that it did, once they absorbed the Nashville, Chattanooga, and St. Louis. I still have not quite settled on a geographic area as yet.

Isn't the line that goes through Chattanooga now primarily CSX??

Yes. SCL/Family Lines absorbed L&N, then became Seaboard. Seaboard and Chessie System merged, becoming CSX.

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I mentioned it because if you were interested in a sample yard on your prototype's network, Holiday Inn now owns the Chatenooga Union Station, and iirc they have a heck of a mountain line right nearby, lots of good features to pick and choose from.

Yep, I was down there a few years back. There where the Holiday Inn is,
there is also a static display of the Chatanooga Choo-Choo, and a pretty
neat model railroad nearby that. I also road the Incline railway while I
was there. That was also pretty neat. ;-)

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Stephen Adams wrote:

Hello richardw.

22 Jun 05 12:18, you wrote to me:

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to
your hobb is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a
quick set nitrile to form moulds and a product called Alumlite for
tough parts and 2 part liquid styrene for light duty parts.

You need one of THESE babies!

http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1

And at a paltry 26 grand how can the average hobbyist be without! :)

Stephen

My first thought was... It would be really cool if the "demo printout"
would produce all the parts to build a second unit. You know. It would
xerox itself. Now that would be cool.

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Angus Mcleod wrote:

Re: Modelling
By: Tharius to Angus Mcleod on Wed Jun 22 2005 09:16:00

I find that the scratch building is definately the most satisfying method, a
something I'm ready to try with the static models. I am still pretty antsy
when it comes to bashing or building boxcars or engines but working on it :>

I have not attempted to scratch-build an aircraft, but it is my desire to
do so as soon as I am confident that I will achieve some degree of
success. My construction projects have been gearing slowly toward that
end. When I complete the Mew Gull, I will decide what next based on how successful that project turns out. I believe that scratch-building is the ultimate. Of course, there is scratch-building and scratch-building. A simple model of an aircraft that doesn't exist in reality is quite
different from trying to re-capture the glory of some unusual aircraft, based possibly on nothing more than 3-view drawings and the odd
photograph!

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to your hobb
is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a quick set nitrile to
form moulds and a product called Alumlite for tough parts and 2 part liquid
styrene for light duty parts.

I've looked at making mouldings, but I've never given it a try. Since my aircraft have to fly, perform aerobatics, and come back to earth with a tremendous *thump* (and that's a GOOD landing), structural components have to be strong. Items which are added for scale detail only (pilot figure, machine guns, various blisters, fairings, dummy engines, exhaust stacks,
and so forth) need to be robust enough not to shatter when stressed, but also lightweight so as not to push up the wing-loading on the model. I can't decide what type of mould-maker substance is good, and I can't
decide what to use to fabricate the final components.

I figure some time I'll get into pilot-figure busts. Make a figure out of plastascine, coat it with some sort of rubbery, latexy mould-making
compound that will give a flexible/stretchy mould, and use some sort of foaming compound to make the copies. I don't really know exactly what I'm talking about here, but....

As far as making planes from scratch, when I started in RC, my mentor
made his most durable planes from scratch. He found that the foam
(styrene) covered with 32nd balsa was the strongest. He used a wire
strung between two boards as the cutter. The wire was heated by running electricity through it.

One of my jobs was making cast resin lamps. We used the rubber that your talking about to make the molds. The rubber is quite expensive at $5,000
a gallon. Of course being a retail application there was a return on investment. I learned quite a bit about making rubber molds.

One of the tricks that the boss used was to mix the catalyst with the
rubber. Then put the rubber in a vacume pump chamber. He would draw a
vacuum and then release the vacuum. Then reapply the vacuum. This will
draw out the air bubbles from the rubber. Then he would drip or paint
the rubber over the object to be copied. The actual pump doesn't draw
that much of a vacuum. It was a medical air pump with the valves reversed.

Also remember that you loose 5% of the size of the object your copying.
So you have to make the original 5% larger than the final product.

The boss would mount the object to a piece of wood. The final mold is
used upside down. After the master object is covered in the rubber. He
would then vasaline the rubber and pour fiberglass resin over the whole
thing. This gives you a casing for the rubber mold. This helps the mold
to keep the proper shape during the casting process.

He then would remove the fiberglass resin casing and then cut the mold
off of the original. He would cut a line, with an exacto blade, so that
the rubber mold ended up being two pieces. This is actually a very
critical part of the process. You need to be able to remove the mold
from the casting with a minimum of drag points. If there are any drag
points then the mold will tear apart with use. The many strokes it takes
to cut through the rubber helps the rubber to align itself when you put
it back into the casing.

The bases of the lamps are made out of a material called Oxylite. Which
is very close to the resin used to make cultured marble. After the water evaporates from the resin the product is much lighter. The shades on the
lamps are made from colored fiberglass resin.

Now he was buying the rubber in 5 gallon buckets. He was also buying the fiberglass resin in 55 gallon drums. ($500.00/barrel) He was also buying
the Oxylite in 55 gallon drums. But you mix the Oxylite 50/50 with water
so it ends up making 110 gallons of resin. ($700.00/barrel) Now I
realize your not going to be buying the materials in these quantities.
But you could buy "scraps" from the local cabinet shop cheap. They
probably spill enough to make a dozen pilots, while making the average
counter top/sink. If you have one that makes cultured marble counter
tops and sinks. You could probably get the CM resin already mixed 50/50
with water and without the color added. Then add a few drops of the
catalyst. The catalyst is fairly safe. ;-) It is only Organic Peroxide
and Methyl-Ethel-Ketone and a few other minor hazardous materials. But
the counter top place should have the catalyst. Don't store the resin
and the catalyst in the same area. The fumes from the catalyst are
enough to make the resin go off. Cultured marble resin is sand able,
drill able, same consistency as wood or soft plastic. It is not brittle
like Plexiglass. You can also use oil based stains and paints to paint it.

Here is a web page of the place I used to work. I actually cast and
colored most of the lamps that are photographed on the web page. When
looking at the pictures, especially the 410 and pixie pond. Remember
that the bases of the lamps are all one piece and they start out white.
The difference between the 'wood/acorn/pine cone' parts and the 'rock'
parts is how they are painted. The 'rocks' for the ponds are just rattle
can paint, airbrushed on. The wood tones come from black leather die,
red leather die, and wood stain.

The original for the shades are mushroom coral. The shades that are sold
with the lamps are made from fiberglass (surfboard) resin, with paint
pigment, and aluminum tri-hydrate added, also just a tad of cobalt added
to help in how the resin kicks off.

http://www.magicmushroomlamps.com

Any questions?
LOL
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Re: Re: Modelling
By: Artiken to All on Wed Jul 06 2005 04:35 am

One thing I've found to be a great asset, that might cross over to
your hobb is plastic resin castings of parts. I've been using a
quick set nitrile to form moulds and a product called Alumlite for
tough parts and 2 part liquid styrene for light duty parts.

You need one of THESE babies!

http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail.asp?ID=1

And at a paltry 26 grand how can the average hobbyist be without! :)

Stephen

My first thought was... It would be really cool if the "demo printout"
would produce all the parts to build a second unit. You know. It would
xerox itself. Now that would be cool.

LOL, great idea. I just don't think it can handle circuit boards.

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Re: Re: Modelling
By: Artiken to All on Wed Jul 06 2005 05:33:00

As far as making planes from scratch, when I started in RC, my mentor
made his most durable planes from scratch. He found that the foam
(styrene) covered with 32nd balsa was the strongest. He used a wire
strung between two boards as the cutter. The wire was heated by running electricity through it.

Yes, I have my own hot-wire bow-cutter with a home-made heater. It's
built several aircraft successfully, out of EPS and EPP. Foam wings are
very durable, but heavy. When we can get it we sheet with Obeche veneer.
I know where I can get 4'x4' "wing-skins" of 1/64th ply, but it's
expensive. 1/32nd balsa is the same price as 1/16th, but you save the
weight. If you can make a really clean cut with the bow-cutter you can
glass the wing, bag it, and use a vacc-pump to evacuate the bag, which
appkies air-pressure until the glass/resin cures.

One of my jobs was making cast resin lamps. We used the rubber that your talking about to make the molds. The rubber is quite expensive at $5,000
a gallon. Of course being a retail application there was a return on investment. I learned quite a bit about making rubber molds.

I'm not paying $5,000 a gallon! I was more thinking about something like this:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKU28&P=7

which at less than $10 per pint is more my speed. No idea how good it
would work, tho...

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Angus Mcleod wrote:

Re: Re: Modelling
By: Artiken to All on Wed Jul 06 2005 05:33:00

I'm not paying $5,000 a gallon! I was more thinking about something like this:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKU28&P=7

which at less than $10 per pint is more my speed. No idea how good it
would work, tho...

It looks like the latex rubber would work good. I would definetly give
it some strength by using gauze. Put one coat on the original. Put on
the gauze and then paint on a couple more coats of latex. The gauze will
keep the latex from stretching too far out of shape and tearing while
work with the mold. You might even use some fiberglass window screen. It
is strong and very flexible. Since they recommend Lightweight Hydrocal (WOOU1501) I'm guessing that it doesn't heat up enough to destroy the
Latex. I would recommend making a casing for the mold. It will help
quite a bit when it comes to keeping the mold the right shape. I think
you should be able to fabricate the casing with some epoxy. Heat is a
factor on how long the molds last. All the catalistic materials create
heat while they react and setup. So the slower curing epoxy is probably
best. And remember Vaseline is your friend. It will keep all parts from sticking together.

Coat the original, pour/paint (avoiding air bubbles) the latex, coat the
latex and then pour on the epoxy. Then slide off the epoxy. cut the mold
in half. remove the original. vasaline the casing/or outside of the
mold. slide the mold into the casing. start poring copies. It also helps
if you drill a air relief hole in the top of the casing/epoxy. Notice
that if you keep the shape of the outside of the mold in a conical shape
that the casing and mold will work much easier.

Mold making is an art form in itself.

I wish I could draw some pictures.

In the lamps with waterfalls there are some severe undercut/drag areas.
So that the two piece molds wouldn't be ripped apart during the
extraction process the boss would pour a thin layer in the pond area.
Before the rubber went off. He would push some marbles into the rubber creating some round dimples. wait for the rubber to set up and then
remove the marbles, vasaline it, then pour the rest of the mold. So the
mold in essence became a 3 piece mold with the round (marble) dimples to
help align the mold.

The inside of the mold *never* gets vasaline. This will cause the copy
to be covered in vasaline and not paint/stain very well. We always
removed the mold as soon as the material got stiff but before it got
totally hard. The material gave off water when it set up which created
enough lubricant so that the mold wouldn't stick to the material being cast.

The molds we worked with were 1/4 to 1 inches thick. Any thinner and
they would rip apart any thicker and they wouldn't have enough flex to
come off of the part without ripping.

A few of the molds that the boss made were thin and fragile. He used
rubber bands to keep them together. No casing. These molds were very
difficult to align and made the fettling much harder. I found that if I fettled the object right after it came out of the mold it was easier. I
also found that a square edge worked beter than a knife edge. In other
words use the back of the knife instead of the cutting edge of the
knife. It breaks off the seam lines without cutting away too much of the shape. I found a lite rapid stroke works best.

Like I said mold making is an art form in itself.

But you should have no problems if you keep the ideas I've told you in consideration while making your molds.

Did you check out the web site? Some pretty cool stuff. To think I got
paid to do a hobby.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sat Jul 02 2005 22:55:00

I mentioned it because if you were interested in a sample yard on your prototype's network, Holiday Inn now owns the Chatenooga Union Station, an iirc they have a heck of a mountain line right nearby, lots of good featur to pick and choose from.

Yep, I was down there a few years back. There where the Holiday Inn is, there is also a static display of the Chatanooga Choo-Choo, and a pretty neat model railroad nearby that. I also road the Incline railway while I was there. That was also pretty neat. ;-)

Yep, the incline was a fun ride. The model railroad you speak of on the grounds of the Holiday Inn is infact the headquarters of the NMRA, the
National Model Railroader Association.


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Yep, the incline was a fun ride. The model railroad you speak of on the

grounds of the Holiday Inn is infact the headquarters of the NMRA, the
National Model Railroader Association.

When my family went there in years past, and rode the incline, we also visited Rock City. The last time I was in the Chattanooga area was when
my Dad and I went there for a Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum Fall
Foliage Excursion behind the Norfolk and Western Class J 611 steam
locomotive. Unfortunately, I heard that they aren't running that one
anymore. :(

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Daryl Stout to THARIUS on Thu Jul 07 2005 18:04:00

When my family went there in years past, and rode the incline, we also visited Rock City. The last time I was in the Chattanooga area was when
my Dad and I went there for a Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum Fall
Foliage Excursion behind the Norfolk and Western Class J 611 steam locomotive. Unfortunately, I heard that they aren't running that one anymore. :(

Yes, I visited Rock City as well, which I found unamusing except for the very end, however, if you missed Ruby Falls, you possibly missed the best
attraction imho.

Having visited the Holiday Inn in Chat, I am planning an excursion to Nova Scotia in the relatively near future, as these two sites represent two registered historic sites operating B&B's or full fleged inns.

Food for thought since NS is exceptionally beautiful anyways

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Yep, the incline was a fun ride. The model railroad you speak of on the grounds of the Holiday Inn is infact the headquarters of the NMRA, the National Model Railroader Association.

I didn't realize that! I probably did when I visited, though. I bought one
of my favorite reference materials there: "Diesel Locomotives: The First 50 Years." I refer to it often.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jul 17 2005 22:23:00

I didn't realize that! I probably did when I visited, though. I bought one of my favorite reference materials there: "Diesel Locomotives: The First 50 Years." I refer to it often.

I actually skipped over it during my vacation there. One of those "gonna be living up the road, I'll see it another time" sort of decisions heh, oh well.

Some of the references you pick up can be really odd. I picked up at a bulk discount store a pictoral history of John Deere farm equipment. Not that I'm particualarly interested in John Deere but I had planned to have my layout
cut through rural areas and it seemed a good investment for 10 bucks.


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Some of the references you pick up can be really odd. I picked up at a bulk >discount store a pictoral history of John Deere farm equipment. Not that I'm >particualarly interested in John Deere but I had planned to have my layout >cut through rural areas and it seemed a good investment for 10 bucks.

Sounds like a good investment, to me!

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Hey,

I have fairly recently got back into building and painting plastic model kits. I vaguely remember being up to my arms in polystyrene cement when I was younger glueing together what I thought was a jet fighter of some description.

Of course I am a little better at it now - but still not great. I do enjoy doing it, as I can really lose all track of time and just sit there for hours in my own little 'zone'. Problem is I don't seem to get much better at it!

Does anyone else build and paint plastic kits? Basically I am looking for tips/tricks/websites/articles/anything really that I can get my hands on that has some good information for a relative beginner in this hobby.

Hopefully someone out there might be able to help! :-)

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Re: Modelling
By: Ben Longden to All on Fri May 05 2006 06:36 pm

I was going to try it, but I was told I don't have the figure for it.

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I was going to try it, but I was told I don't have the figure for it.

Probably just aswell. The cat walk in my living room really gets in the way
of the TV...

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I have fairly recently got back into building and painting plastic model kits.
I vaguely remember being up to my arms in polystyrene cement when I was younger glueing together what I thought was a jet fighter of some description.

[snip]

Does anyone else build and paint plastic kits? Basically I am looking for tips/tricks/websites/articles/anything really that I can get my hands on that
has some good information for a relative beginner in this hobby.

I believe if you check Model Railroader's web site you will find some leads. I'm not doing much at the moment in plastic kits but some obvious tips
inlude

- Take your time. Rushing is the #1 cause of poor results.
- A well handled air brush can provide a dramatic increase in results.
- Anything you can think of about painting a room can apply to painting a model. Don't be afraid to use masking tape to create nice straight edges.
- I've found that 3M's CA is possibly the best stuff for plastic. The only thing I've found that it won't glue is polystyrene to brass.
- Normal woodworking tools can be a great advantage. Things like clamps, squares, calipers, etc can really reduce the frustration level after a few go's.
- Paint first, add windows later. If you can paint your parts first, you
can save yourself a massive amount of masking off later. Windows can be
your biggest downfall because it's nearly impossible to properly mask off a window frame in 1:160 scale :)

I hope this helps, I'm not wonderfully talented at the kits myself, but the few I've build look pretty good. Hope to hear from you, these days I'm spending a lot of time scratch-building a 2'x10'x1' model of the Niagara Escarpment near Hamilton, Ontario which has involved becoming an amateur geologist (kidding ... it just feels like that) ... this is forming the backdrop for my train layout.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 19 2005 10:40 am

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. It wrapped all the way around the room. We had plans for all kinds of cool mountains and scenery, but never got around to doing it. A few years later,
he scrapped the N stuff and switched everything over to HO. We had fun
running the trains around various loops and stuff, but it got old pretty fast without any real modeling going on. All that lasted until this year when he finally ripped out the layout to make room for his woodworking equipment. Model railroading is cool.

RedWolf

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other model railroaders in the echo?

Yes. ;-)

I'm in N-scale (1:160), primarily modelling Canadian National (CN) in the 80s, so some TH&B rolling stock exists on non-mainlines.

I'm in HO scale. Started out wanting to model the Louisville & Nashville (L&N) but decided to freelance instead. I don't have much of a layout, due to a lack of space. I would have went N scale but all of my older
equipment was in HO, and back when I got back in the hobby, there was still not as much available for N.

I do paint and detail (or attempt to) locos and cars.

Mike

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Red Wolf to MIKE POWELL on Sun Nov 26 2006 11:35 pm

Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 19 2005 10:40 am

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. It wrapped all the way around the room. We had plans for all kinds of cool mountains and scenery, but never got around to doing it. A few years later, he scrapped the N stuff and switched everything over to HO. We had fun running the trains around various loops and stuff, but it got old pretty fas without any real modeling going on. All that lasted until this year when he finally ripped out the layout to make room for his woodworking equipment. Model railroading is cool.

RedWolf

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other mode railroaders in the echo?

Yes. ;-)

I'm in N-scale (1:160), primarily modelling Canadian National (CN) in t 80s, so some TH&B rolling stock exists on non-mainlines.

I'm in HO scale. Started out wanting to model the Louisville & Nashville (L&N) but decided to freelance instead. I don't have much of a layout, d to a lack of space. I would have went N scale but all of my older equipment was in HO, and back when I got back in the hobby, there was sti not as much available for N.

I do paint and detail (or attempt to) locos and cars.

Mike

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Hi RedWolf,

I always wanted to setup a G-Scale train to go around the yard and possibly even come into the garage or house at some point. Too much work though,
but I bought some books on it that are neat to read. When Iw as a kid I
had several HO-scale train systems going, and they're really fun. No room
in the house now, but might be fun to get back into if I ever have kids.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Sam Alexander to Red Wolf on Thu Nov 30 2006 08:58 am

Re: Model Railroading
By: Red Wolf to MIKE POWELL on Sun Nov 26 2006 11:35 pm

Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 19 2005 10:40 am

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. I wrapped all the way around the room. We had plans for all kinds of cool mountains and scenery, but never got around to doing it. A few years lat he scrapped the N stuff and switched everything over to HO. We had fun running the trains around various loops and stuff, but it got old pretty without any real modeling going on. All that lasted until this year when finally ripped out the layout to make room for his woodworking equipment. Model railroading is cool.

RedWolf

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other m railroaders in the echo?

Yes. ;-)

I'm in N-scale (1:160), primarily modelling Canadian National (CN) i 80s, so some TH&B rolling stock exists on non-mainlines.

I'm in HO scale. Started out wanting to model the Louisville & Nashvi (L&N) but decided to freelance instead. I don't have much of a layout to a lack of space. I would have went N scale but all of my older equipment was in HO, and back when I got back in the hobby, there was not as much available for N.

I do paint and detail (or attempt to) locos and cars.

Mike

The Cave BBS - cavebbs.homeip.net

Hi RedWolf,

I always wanted to setup a G-Scale train to go around the yard and possibly even come into the garage or house at some point. Too much work though,
but I bought some books on it that are neat to read. When Iw as a kid I
had several HO-scale train systems going, and they're really fun. No room in the house now, but might be fun to get back into if I ever have kids.

Sam

I tried it once, but I gave up when I could never find the little people for my display.

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Re: Model Railroading
By: Sam Alexander to Red Wolf on Thu Nov 30 2006 08:58 am

Re: Model Railroading
By: Red Wolf to MIKE POWELL on Sun Nov 26 2006 11:35 pm

Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 19 2005 10:40 am

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. I wrapped all the way around the room. We had plans for all kinds of cool mountains and scenery, but never got around to doing it. A few years lat he scrapped the N stuff and switched everything over to HO. We had fun running the trains around various loops and stuff, but it got old pretty without any real modeling going on. All that lasted until this year when finally ripped out the layout to make room for his woodworking equipment. Model railroading is cool.

RedWolf

Outside of Katana and myself, I'm wondering if there are any other m railroaders in the echo?

Yes. ;-)

I'm in N-scale (1:160), primarily modelling Canadian National (CN) i 80s, so some TH&B rolling stock exists on non-mainlines.

I'm in HO scale. Started out wanting to model the Louisville & Nashvi (L&N) but decided to freelance instead. I don't have much of a layout to a lack of space. I would have went N scale but all of my older equipment was in HO, and back when I got back in the hobby, there was not as much available for N.

I do paint and detail (or attempt to) locos and cars.

Mike

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Hi RedWolf,

I always wanted to setup a G-Scale train to go around the yard and possibly even come into the garage or house at some point. Too much work though,
but I bought some books on it that are neat to read. When Iw as a kid I
had several HO-scale train systems going, and they're really fun. No room in the house now, but might be fun to get back into if I ever have kids.

Sam

G-Scale is cool stuff, indeed. My father actually just bought some of his first G-scale stuff in the form of a Christmas train to put around the Christmas tree. Not a very complicated layout, but it's quite a festive
one. :)

That being said, it would be awesome to have a G-scale layout that goes
around the yard and into the house. Have you ever seen those "live steam" setups? Well, some of the engines run on gas, but they're big enough for people to ride around their yard on. Now that would be really neat to set up if you had the space for it!


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Re: Model Railroading
By: Red Wolf to Sam Alexander on Thu Nov 30 2006 04:40 pm

Re: Model Railroading
By: Sam Alexander to Red Wolf on Thu Nov 30 2006 08:58 am

Re: Model Railroading
By: Red Wolf to MIKE POWELL on Sun Nov 26 2006 11:35 pm

Hi RedWolf,

I always wanted to setup a G-Scale train to go around the yard and possib even come into the garage or house at some point. Too much work though, but I bought some books on it that are neat to read. When Iw as a kid I had several HO-scale train systems going, and they're really fun. No roo in the house now, but might be fun to get back into if I ever have kids.

Sam

G-Scale is cool stuff, indeed. My father actually just bought some of his first G-scale stuff in the form of a Christmas train to put around the Christmas tree. Not a very complicated layout, but it's quite a festive
one. :)

That being said, it would be awesome to have a G-scale layout that goes around the yard and into the house. Have you ever seen those "live steam" setups? Well, some of the engines run on gas, but they're big enough for people to ride around their yard on. Now that would be really neat to set u if you had the space for it!

I've not seen anything that large, g-scale is the largest I've seen folks setup. There used to be a hobby show on DYI network on cable which every
so often would show home train sets, and some where NICE!

Ya know, I never thought of the trains that go around the christmas tree
being G-Scale, but we have one of those as well. It actually is on the
mantal because it doesn't work any longer, but it's decked out in Christmas
as well.

Maybe once I get my garage cleaned out I can start messing with this again.
I might still have my old HO-scale train system in the attic of my folks house.

Sam


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"Red Wolf" <red.wolf@VERT/CAVEBBS> wrote

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. It wrapped all the way around the room.

I just bought my first N-guage train for my son on Ebay. Looking forward to playing with trains again.

Check out this site -- model railroad slums -- http://www.vestaldesign.com/projects/modelrr/

Cheers,

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By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Sun Jun 19 2005 10:40 am

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. It wrapped all the way around the room. We had plans for all kinds of cool mountains and scenery, but never got around to doing it. A few years
later,
he scrapped the N stuff and switched everything over to HO. We had fun running the trains around various loops and stuff, but it got old pretty fast
without any real modeling going on. All that lasted until this year when
he
finally ripped out the layout to make room for his woodworking equipment. Model railroading is cool.

Heh, I find that this is a hobby that absolutely requires a collaberation.
I HATE laying track. I love the modelling, wiring, electronics and design aspects but I had the monotony of laying, ballasting and smoothing track.
It sounds like your dad hated scenery :) I am presently building my first fulll scale layout ... err n scale but full fledged? :) I chose the
Hamilton, Ontario area as my location and am building a 3x3 1/2 ' x 3x3 1/2'
L layout (open girder construction in hybrid with modular design) and as a back drop I'm using the Niagara Escarpment. I'm building it out of "Gatorboard" because it doesn't warp in humidity/weather and real limestone from the escarpment. (Shale actually but still authentic as you wanna be :)

HO allows for much more detail.

So did you have an interest or was it just the ooooo wow factor ? :)

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"Red Wolf" <red.wolf@VERT/CAVEBBS> wrote

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. It wrapped all the way around the room.

We bought an N-guage set to go around the tree. I'm old, my eyes are getting worse, and N is WAY too small. I'm selling it on Ebay and getting an HO set, at least. Or one of those huge old Lionel sets -- I won't have a problem getting the wheels on the track with it!

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Poindexter Fortran to Red Wolf on Fri Jan 05 2007 07:17 pm

"Red Wolf" <red.wolf@VERT/CAVEBBS> wrote

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. It wrapped all the way around the room.

We bought an N-guage set to go around the tree. I'm old, my eyes are getting worse, and N is WAY too small. I'm selling it on Ebay and getting an HO set, at least. Or one of those huge old Lionel sets -- I won't have a problem getting the wheels on the track with it!

My wife and I bought a "large" (aka G) scale Bachmann set to go around the tree this year. It's perfect. The HO and smaller scales are just too fragile for
the kids.

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Poindexter Fortran to Red Wolf on Mon Dec 04 2006 06:51:00

My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago.
It wrapped all the way around the room.

I just bought my first N-guage train for my son on Ebay. Looking forward to playing with trains again.

Hi there. I've just got back into N gauge modelling after a 3 year break...


im building a small layout (4ft x 1ft!), its 1950's British steam era (seeing as I am in England!)

Im putting progress up on my webpage http://www.internetsol.co.uk

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Merlin to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Jan 12 2007 04:22:00

im building a small layout (4ft x 1ft!), its 1950's British steam era (seein as I am in England!)

Im putting progress up on my webpage http://www.internetsol.co.uk

1) You paid 40 quid for the baseboard? You must have loadsamoney!

2) Is it just for static display?

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Angus McLeod to Merlin on Fri Jan 12 2007 10:37:00

Hi.

1) You paid 40 quid for the baseboard? You must have loadsamoney!

Not really, it would have cost me about the same to build it. But, my woodworking skills are more or less nil, so its a small price to pay for a strong foundation!

> 2) Is it just for static display?

No, its designed to be portable so I can take it to exhibitions, my local model rail club and also so I can use it at home (not much room here!)

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Merlin to Angus McLeod on Fri Jan 12 2007 16:12:00

> 2) Is it just for static display?

No, its designed to be portable so I can take it to exhibitions, my local mo rail club and also so I can use it at home (not much room here!)

What I mean is, the trak layout didn't show any continuous loop of track,
so you wouldn't actually be able to *operate* the trains, would you?

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Angus McLeod to Merlin on Fri Jan 12 2007 18:44:00

so you wouldn't actually be able to *operate* the trains, would you?

Yes, but not constantly in a loop. I will be able to do plenty of shunting and small movements. That layout is for a competition that limits the maximum size to 864 sq inches...I may continue it at the right to form a loop around the room if it fits!

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Merlin to Angus McLeod on Sat Jan 13 2007 00:34:00

so you wouldn't actually be able to *operate* the trains, would you?

Yes, but not constantly in a loop. I will be able to do plenty of shunting small movements.

Oh, OK. I've never heard of anyone building a layout that didn't allow
for continuous/constant operation in a loop of some sort.

That layout is for a competition that limits the maximum size to 864 sq inches...I may continue it at the right to form a loop around the room
if it fits!

I didn't realise you were operating under competition restraints.

Uh, 54" x 14" = 756 sq. in. So you are actually building it *smaller*
than allowed by the competition? I guess the competition is all about the scale detail?

I've had a look around the Cheshire Railway Modellers site, and all I can
say is I wish some of the photographs were available in 8 mega-pixel size
for really close examination. I'm not into railways (I'm an R/C aero-modeller, where scale details are nice, but flight performance comes first: http://www.anjo.com/rc/) but I'm always blown away by the scope of
the detailing.

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Angus McLeod to Merlin on Sat Jan 13 2007 01:28:00

Oh, OK. I've never heard of anyone building a layout that didn't allow
for continuous/constant operation in a loop of some sort.

Yes, in the UK where people don't have alot of room, tehre are quite a number of small shutting layouts.

If your interested in some better pictures of various layouts, there are some good pictures on the RMweb site (http://www.rmweb2.co.uk/forums/default.asp) and also a search of "model rail" on www.fotopic.net will find a few different layouts

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Oh, OK. I've never heard of anyone building a layout that didn't allow for continuous/constant operation in a loop of some sort.

Yes, in the UK where people don't have alot of room, tehre are quite a number of small shutting layouts.

If your interested in some better pictures of various layouts, there are some good pictures on the RMweb site (http://www.rmweb2.co.uk/forums/default.asp) and also a search of "model rail" on www.fotopic.net will find a few different layouts

Yipes. Model railroads are crazy. My dad is building a HO layout, about 6' x 15' ... I work for Union Pacific Railroad as a locomotive engineer. It made me lose all interest in model railroads. But I have to say. Most of the little model railroads, the trains will handle like a real train if you have the room to run it to scale. I knew a guy who had a g "i think it was g. The rail cars were about 12 to 14" long. if I remember right" scale in his back yard. The yard was a acre big. It was fun run it in notch 8. :) Still, nothing compares to the real thing. I really enjoy my job. -=>***************************************************************<=-
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If anyone cares. Just thought I would share some photos of me and my wife. She was 9 months pregnant and wanted to see me at work. So she met me on a industrial lead in sparks Nevada.

There is no html web page. just click on the photos. I think this should work.

http://phantomrage.org/family/up

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Phantomrage to all on Mon Jan 15 2007 23:12:00

If anyone cares. Just thought I would share some photos of me and my wife. She was 9 months pregnant and wanted to see me at work. So she met me on a industrial lead in sparks Nevada.

Pregnant women turn me on... but you have to show the TUMMY! ;-)

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By: Phantomrage to all on Mon Jan 15 2007 23:12:00

If anyone cares. Just thought I would share some photos of me and my wife. She was 9 months pregnant and wanted to see me at work. So she met me on a industrial lead in sparks Nevada.

Pregnant women turn me on... but you have to show the TUMMY! ;-)

LOL, I will see what I can find for you.

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³ My dad built a huge N-gauge layout in the basement about 15 years ago. It
³ wrapped all the way around the room. We had plans for all kinds of cool
³ mountains and scenery, but never got around to doing it. A few years later, ³ he scrapped the N stuff and switched everything over to HO. We had fun
³ running the trains around various loops and stuff, but it got old pretty fast ³ without any real modeling going on. All that lasted until this year when he ³ finally ripped out the layout to make room for his woodworking equipment.
³ Model railroading is cool.
ÀÄ[RW=>MP]

It is snowing pretty good here today. Back about 15-18 years ago, this
would be the type of day that I would come home, sit down, and dial up a
few BBSes, or maybe do some screens for my own. However, there are not
many of those around to dial-up these days, and for some reason the
Internet is not as much fun to me.

Today, on the way home, I thought "this would be a good day to play with trains."

So, when I got home, I fired up Cumberland & Western 4628, an ALCo S1, and pulled a few cars back and forth. I will probably play with it some more.
Not a whole lot to do, but for some reason, it is fun & somewhat comforting.

Mike

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³ I tried it once, but I gave up when I could never find the little people for my
³ display.
ÀÄ[C=>SA]

Hmmm... I find them all right. Some European company even makes little
female nude sunbathers!

Mike

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³ "Gatorboard" because it doesn't warp in humidity/weather and real limestone ÀÄ[T=>RW]

Sounds like an interesting product. Where can one find it?

Mike

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³ Oh, OK. I've never heard of anyone building a layout that didn't allow
³ for continuous/constant operation in a loop of some sort.
ÀÄ[AM=>M]

A lot of modelers build switching layouts, which require constant
interaction from the operator, rather than layouts that include loops where
you can just let the trains run.

I would like to have enough room to do both... have a loop run along the outside, while having scenes that require switching/shunting on the inner
part.

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: MIKE POWELL to THARIUS on Tue Feb 06 2007 04:12 pm

³ "Gatorboard" because it doesn't warp in humidity/weather and real limeston ÀÄ[T=>RW]

Sounds like an interesting product. Where can one find it?

Mike

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Re: Re: Model Railroading
By: Digital Man to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jan 06 2007 01:07 am

Heh.. sorry it took me so long to respond. My dad did the same thing for
Xmas last year (last Christmas, 2006). He bought a cool, simple G-scale
train set and put it around the tree. It was nice. I wish we had had something like that when I was a kid. If we did, I would have put my GI Joe guys all over it. :)

My wife and I bought a "large" (aka G) scale Bachmann set to go around the t this year. It's perfect. The HO and smaller scales are just too fragile for the kids.

Ah, model trains...
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