• Christen Eagle II

    From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to All on Sunday, February 06, 2005 21:31:00
    A rather impressive aircraft, made an appearance at the field today.
    We've been awaiting the event for some months and fortunately I had my
    camera on me to take some pre-flight photographs. To give you an idea of scale, the prop is 22" from tip-to-tip:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ceagle01.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ceagle02.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ceagle03.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ceagle04.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ceagle05.jpg

    Powered by a 50cc engine (four times larger than the engine in my Fokker)
    it pulled strongly away, rose from the runway, swerved to one side,
    clipped a bush with a wingtip, flipped over on it's back and plunged into
    the undergrowth upside down with the power full on. A total flight time
    of about 4 seconds. :-/

    Both wings and the fuselage badly broken, the firewall smashed beyond recognition, the lower wing saddle bust, the cabane struts buckled, the inter-plane struts shattered, the cowl crumpled like a soft-pack of Chesterfields, and the prop (or half of it, anyway) fit only for our Wall
    of Rememberance. The worst part was the look on the guy's wife's face.
    At about US$600/second, I recon he's got some sweet-talking to do!

    How did it happen? Well, perhaps this photograph, taken of the pilot just before takeoff might contain a clue:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=pilot-ceagle.jpg

    The only question is -- will it fly again?



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Sunday, February 06, 2005 23:20:24
    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Angus Mcleod to All on Sun Feb 06 2005 09:31 pm

    A rather impressive aircraft, made an appearance at the field today.
    We've been awaiting the event for some months and fortunately I had my camera on me to take some pre-flight photographs. To give you an idea of scale, the prop is 22" from tip-to-tip:

    Wow. If it weren't for the blades of grass and the plastic man, I could've been fooled into thinking it was 100% scale.

    Powered by a 50cc engine (four times larger than the engine in my Fokker)
    it pulled strongly away, rose from the runway, swerved to one side,
    clipped a bush with a wingtip, flipped over on it's back and plunged into the undergrowth upside down with the power full on. A total flight time
    of about 4 seconds. :-/

    Both wings and the fuselage badly broken, the firewall smashed beyond recognition, the lower wing saddle bust, the cabane struts buckled, the inter-plane struts shattered, the cowl crumpled like a soft-pack of Chesterfields, and the prop (or half of it, anyway) fit only for our Wall
    of Rememberance. The worst part was the look on the guy's wife's face.
    At about US$600/second, I recon he's got some sweet-talking to do!

    How did it happen? Well, perhaps this photograph, taken of the pilot just before takeoff might contain a clue:

    But was the "real" pilot drinking prior to takeoff? At least *he* was able to walk away from the crash. :-)

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=pilot-ceagle.jpg

    The only question is -- will it fly again?

    That would be a real tragedy if it didn't. Who was the builder/pilot?

    And what does the NTSB say the real cause was? Did they find the black box?
    :-)

    digital man

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  • From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to Digital Man on Monday, February 07, 2005 08:42:00
    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Digital Man to Angus Mcleod on Sun Feb 06 2005 23:20:00

    A rather impressive aircraft, made an appearance at the field today. We've been awaiting the event for some months and fortunately I had my camera on me to take some pre-flight photographs. To give you an idea of scale, the prop is 22" from tip-to-tip:

    Wow. If it weren't for the blades of grass and the plastic man, I could've b fooled into thinking it was 100% scale.

    Yeah! I think the first one, shot along the fuselage from the rear is
    very realistic.

    The biggest problem getting decent photos of new aircraft is that the
    owners are in a hurry and won't let you take the time. For instance, the full-frame shots are taken from a standing position. You inevitably end
    up looking *down* on the aircraft. If you lie on the ground and shoot
    from a lower angle, you end up with similar perspective to what you would
    see if standing next to the full-sized aircraft. Now, I shot eleven full-frame images, walking around and shooting from all angles. If I'd
    got up and layed down each time it would have taken much longer. Also, shooting horizontally from every direction, the background changes, and sometimes the background is a distraction. You don't want Rudy and Tony mixing drinks, or Dotcom licking his balls in the background, after all!
    So between each shot you should move the aircraft. More time needed!

    Anyway, every now and again you get some nice ones.

    How did it happen? Well, perhaps this photograph, taken of the pilot jus before takeoff might contain a clue:

    But was the "real" pilot drinking prior to takeoff? At least *he* was able t walk away from the crash. :-)

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=pilot-ceagle.j

    Yes, he had one "Banks" prior to flying, and that at the insistance of his wife. She said he should drink one to "calm himself" before takeoff.

    The only question is -- will it fly again?

    That would be a real tragedy if it didn't. Who was the builder/pilot?

    I don't know for sure if you met Ian, but I think you may have. Here is
    his picture:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/members/IanA/

    Unfortunately, he is a bit hot-headed about things that don't go right.
    He was ready to sell the wreck and forget it, right after the crash. His father, Norman was present, and he has been modelling for over 50 years,
    so we all hope that with Norman's urging and assistance, it will fly
    again. It is busted up pretty bad, but not smashed completely. There is
    a LOT of work there, but it COULD be repaired and made to fly. In fact,
    he could replace both wings for less than $100 each, the fuse for $125,
    cowl for $24, cabanes for $8, inter-planes for $23. An entire airframe
    with *everything* would only be $350, but if he fixed some and replaced
    some he could save money.

    And what does the NTSB say the real cause was? Did they find the black box? :-)

    Crash Analysis will begin in earnest next time the guys get together in
    Ian's absence! :-)

    The problem is, Ian is too blase a pilot to be test-flying any model. He
    is a fairly competent pilot and entertains us by beating up the field with
    his Extra 300S, but unfortunately he thinks he's a much better pilot than
    he really is. And the Christen Eagle is a fully aerobatic ship that won't stand any nonsense. Prior to takeoff, he was muttering about the control throws, and commenting how they seemed very 'fierce', except the elevator which looked 'tame'. I'd have been much more cautious, making sure my low
    and high rates were properly set, before committing to the sky. Even if
    that meant taking it home and bringing it back the following weekend.
    I'd also have done some taxi-tests and maybe a straight-line hop or two on
    the runway to see how she 'felt'. This is an expensive 1/3rd scale
    aircraft we're talking about, not some $100 trainer with a box-fuselage!

    But Ian is a "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" sorta guy. I've seen
    him test fly other peoples aircraft and throw them into aerobatic
    manoevers on the first circuit of their first flight. Well, anyway, I
    think he was just a bit too casual about it, and that aircraft wasn't 100%
    on takeoff, and doesn't appreciate being taken for granted at best, so he
    paid the price.

    But who am I to say?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Monday, February 07, 2005 10:14:13
    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Angus Mcleod to Digital Man on Mon Feb 07 2005 08:42 am

    A rather impressive aircraft, made an appearance at the field today. We've been awaiting the event for some months and fortunately I had my camera on me to take some pre-flight photographs. To give you an idea scale, the prop is 22" from tip-to-tip:

    Wow. If it weren't for the blades of grass and the plastic man, I could'v fooled into thinking it was 100% scale.

    Yeah! I think the first one, shot along the fuselage from the rear is
    very realistic.

    <nods>

    The only question is -- will it fly again?

    That would be a real tragedy if it didn't. Who was the builder/pilot?

    I don't know for sure if you met Ian, but I think you may have. Here is
    his picture:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/members/IanA/

    Yeah, I don't recall meeting him. Your site is really shaping up though. :-)

    And what does the NTSB say the real cause was? Did they find the black bo :-)

    Crash Analysis will begin in earnest next time the guys get together in Ian's absence! :-)

    The problem is, Ian is too blase a pilot to be test-flying any model. He
    is a fairly competent pilot and entertains us by beating up the field with his Extra 300S, but unfortunately he thinks he's a much better pilot than
    he really is. And the Christen Eagle is a fully aerobatic ship that won't stand any nonsense. Prior to takeoff, he was muttering about the control throws, and commenting how they seemed very 'fierce', except the elevator which looked 'tame'. I'd have been much more cautious, making sure my low and high rates were properly set, before committing to the sky. Even if that meant taking it home and bringing it back the following weekend.
    I'd also have done some taxi-tests and maybe a straight-line hop or two on the runway to see how she 'felt'. This is an expensive 1/3rd scale
    aircraft we're talking about, not some $100 trainer with a box-fuselage!

    But Ian is a "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" sorta guy. I've seen him test fly other peoples aircraft and throw them into aerobatic
    manoevers on the first circuit of their first flight. Well, anyway, I
    think he was just a bit too casual about it, and that aircraft wasn't 100% on takeoff, and doesn't appreciate being taken for granted at best, so he paid the price.

    But who am I to say?

    Well, I hope he learned something from this mistake. <shrug> I sure did: Don't build no stinking 1/3 scale plane!

    digital man

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  • From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to Digital Man on Monday, February 07, 2005 18:03:00
    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Digital Man to Angus Mcleod on Mon Feb 07 2005 10:14:00

    I don't know for sure if you met Ian, but I think you may have. Here is his picture:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/members/IanA/

    Yeah, I don't recall meeting him. Your site is really shaping up though. :-)

    Thought you mighta met him at the cliff one day. Anyway, he's pretty
    cool, and his Old Man Norman is pretty cool too, for an old-timer! :)

    Yeah, well I'm doing the best I can with the site, and who knows? Maybe
    one or two of the other members will notice! :-/

    Well, I hope he learned something from this mistake. <shrug> I sure did: Don build no stinking 1/3 scale plane!

    Ian has been flying an Extra 300S for years, and despite my poking fun at
    it (example: The "Inferior models. Boats, cars, helis, Extra 300's"
    section of the Photo Gallery) it's a very capable aerobatic aeroplane and
    Ian is 100% comfortable with it in the air. But at 1/5th scale it is a
    very different proposition to a 1/3rd scale Christen Eagle! Besides, the
    bipe wouold have a very short wing-span in comparison to the Extra giving
    it a very different characteristic roll-rate. And with a 50cc gasolene
    engine spinning 22" of furniture, the torque would be a novel experience
    for him too.

    On any aircraft's first flight, the possibility of a problem was very
    real. Should the CoG be a little aft, the entire aircraft would become
    highly twitchy, wanting to snap-roll at any opportunity. Given that the Christen Eagle was BUILT to be highly unstable in the first place....

    Nothing wrong with building a 1/3rd scale model Christen Eagle. The
    problem comes with thinking that it will be 'business as usual' at the controls of a very different, and completely untried, untuned, untrimmed
    and unbalanced model. Essentially, he was much too off-hand about it, adopting a "balls to the wall, if anything happens, I can 'handle' it" attitude which was completely incalled for under the circumstances.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Monday, February 07, 2005 15:39:58
    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Angus Mcleod to Digital Man on Mon Feb 07 2005 06:03 pm

    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Digital Man to Angus Mcleod on Mon Feb 07 2005 10:14:00

    I don't know for sure if you met Ian, but I think you may have. Here his picture:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/members/IanA/

    Yeah, I don't recall meeting him. Your site is really shaping up though.

    Thought you mighta met him at the cliff one day.

    Now that you mention it (the cliff), I think I do recall seeing/meeting him there. He was flying a balsa glider, iirc.

    Anyway, he's pretty
    cool, and his Old Man Norman is pretty cool too, for an old-timer! :)

    Yup, met Norman at the field. :-)

    On any aircraft's first flight, the possibility of a problem was very
    real. Should the CoG be a little aft, the entire aircraft would become highly twitchy, wanting to snap-roll at any opportunity. Given that the Christen Eagle was BUILT to be highly unstable in the first place....

    Nothing wrong with building a 1/3rd scale model Christen Eagle. The
    problem comes with thinking that it will be 'business as usual' at the controls of a very different, and completely untried, untuned, untrimmed
    and unbalanced model. Essentially, he was much too off-hand about it, adopting a "balls to the wall, if anything happens, I can 'handle' it" attitude which was completely incalled for under the circumstances.

    <takes notes>

    digital man

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  • From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to Digital Man on Monday, February 07, 2005 21:30:00
    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Digital Man to Angus Mcleod on Mon Feb 07 2005 15:39:00

    Thought you mighta met him at the cliff one day.

    Now that you mention it (the cliff), I think I do recall seeing/meeting him there. He was flying a balsa glider, iirc.

    Very possible. These are a couple of the gliders he has been known to fly:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=f18.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=probe01.jpg

    hw also flies a Zagi, now. :-)

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Monday, February 07, 2005 19:50:29
    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Angus Mcleod to Digital Man on Mon Feb 07 2005 09:30 pm

    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Digital Man to Angus Mcleod on Mon Feb 07 2005 15:39:00

    Thought you mighta met him at the cliff one day.

    Now that you mention it (the cliff), I think I do recall seeing/meeting h there. He was flying a balsa glider, iirc.

    Very possible. These are a couple of the gliders he has been known to fly:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=f18.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=probe01.jpg

    I'm pretty sure it was that second one there.

    hw also flies a Zagi, now. :-)

    :-)

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  • From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to Digital Man on Sunday, April 24, 2005 19:43:00
    By the way, Rob. Remember the Christen Eagle that smashed up on it's
    first flight? After some heroic repair work on Norman's part, it flew
    last weekend when I was not present, and again today, wherein I got the following images in the camera:

    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ce-fly01.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ce-fly03.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ce-fly04.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ce-fly05.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ce-fly06.jpg
    http://www.barbadosrc.org/gallery/show_image.php?image=ce-fly07.jpg

    It looks good in the air -- hard to believe the condition it was in after
    the last crash. ian is a bundle of nerves every time he flys it, and his
    wife starts hitting the vodka as soon as the machine comes out of the car!

    :-)


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Sunday, April 24, 2005 21:08:07
    Re: Christen Eagle II
    By: Angus Mcleod to Digital Man on Sun Apr 24 2005 07:43 pm

    By the way, Rob. Remember the Christen Eagle that smashed up on it's
    first flight? After some heroic repair work on Norman's part, it flew
    last weekend when I was not present, and again today, wherein I got the following images in the camera:

    Wow, impressive recovery!

    digital man

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