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I was told that there is now a windows service pack to bring windows 8 t windows 8.1 and this gives a normal "Windows 7" feel to the system..
I was told that there is now a windows service pack to bring windows 8 to windows 8.1 and this gives a normal "Windows 7" feel to the system...
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Hi ALL,
I was told that there is now a windows service pack to bring windows 8 t windows 8.1 and this gives a normal "Windows 7" feel to the system..
I'm sorry to say that it doesn't. All it does is put a start button on the taskbar, which throws you right back on that terrible tile screen.
Instead, I install classic shell on machines for users that are
horrified by the new start menu gubbins.
http://www.classicshell.net/
Classic shell is free, and puts a proper start menu back (you have your choice of Windows 7, Vista, or XP). You can also use it to bypass the start screen and dump you straight on the destkop.
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Hi ALL,
Ive been looking for a new laptop for my girlfriend for Christmas however they all seem to have windows 8 on now as you would expect.
I recently purchased a replacement laptop for my dad and since he's not about to learn Windows 8, I had to go with an older Dell model (from costco.com) since the first HP Envy unit I bought couldn't be downgraded to Win7 without sacrificing USB support.
Classic shell is free, and puts a proper start menu back (you have your choice of Windows 7, Vista, or XP). You can also use it to bypass the start screen and dump you straight on the destkop.
I was told that there is now a windows service pack to bring windows
8 to windows 8.1 and this gives a normal "Windows 7" feel to the
system...
Yes, but it's not as good as simply installing one of the free start
menu add-ons. I use one called (I think) Start8, and there's a setting
to tell it to boot to the desktop, making the tile system secondary.
I recently purchased a replacement laptop for my dad and since he's not about to learn Windows 8, I had to go with an older Dell model (from costco.com) since the first HP Envy unit I bought couldn't be downgraded to Win7 without sacrificing USB support.
I've noticed that Lenovo still offers Windows 7 on some of its new PCs.
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Fri Dec 06 2013 09:27 pm
I've noticed that Lenovo still offers Windows 7 on some of its new
PCs.
Any business-class PC will have an option for Windows 7 (or at least
driver support for 7)
--- NIGHTFOX wrote --
Windows 8.1 has a built-in feature to boot straight to the desktop. It's
of the options available when you right-click the desktop and choose Custo
I believe
Yeah. When they get all their stuff, including Office, for Christ sakes, into Metro, they can phone me (or email me, to be a bit more modern).
The state Windows 8 was in when it was released was shocking. 8.1 is a reasonable Alpha, but they still haven't even moved all of their own stuff, including all the controls, into their new rubbish paradigm.
I have to support his stuff. Sigh.
instance, I think software like Visual Studio makes more sense as a desktop application - At least so that if you have a build that takes a long time, Windows won't kill it when you switch away for more than 10 seconds (or however long it takes for Windows to kill a "modern" UI app). There's a
lot of other software that's similar. Plus, it's nice to have windows that
--- NIGHTFOX wrote --
I feel your pain. It seems like they're heading that way, but I don't thi makes much sense for everything to move to the new interface. For instanc think software like Visual Studio makes more sense as a desktop applicatio
At least so that if you have a build that takes a long time, Windows won't
it when you switch away for more than 10 seconds (or however long it takes Windows to kill a "modern" UI app). There's a lot of other software that' similar. Plus, it's nice to have windows that overlap, and you can only d that in desktop mode
The state Windows 8 was in when it was released was shocking. 8.1 is a reasonable Alpha, but they still haven't even moved all of their own stuff, including all the controls, into their new rubbish paradigm.
we all know how microsoft works. they make a shitty version of windows and then get it right every 2 or so versions.
instance, I think software like Visual Studio makes more sense as a desktop application - At least so that if you have a build that takes a long time,
we all know how microsoft works. they make a shitty version of windows and then get it right every 2 or so versions.
i'm not going to run windows 8. there's just no reason to. i'm happy with windows 7 like i was with windows xp.
hardware wise in the near future i think we'll all end up using some type of tablet computer that docks into a workstation that provides a display and real keyboard when we're at home.
who knows, maybe we'll all just have phones that suit this purpose and we'll jump over the whole tablet being the next big thing [and desktop killer]deal alltogether.
The people who are in pain are the poor saps at Microsoft who did a brilliant port of Windows to ARM and then got it locked up to buggery.
You can tell that's what happened because things like the join a domain stuff are in there, but greyed out. I have a BYOD user who bought (over my objections) one of those ARM Surface things, and it's a pain in the arse.
You can't join it to a domain. I couldn't get whatever it was in Windows 8.1 that was supposed to allow you to "sync" with a domain to work, before I got fed up with trying... and the thing won't work with our creaky old wireless.
Oh, and you are stuck with Office 2013, which won't work with our creaky old exchange server, which I'm going to get replaced "any time now" for the last three years.
instance, I think software like Visual Studio makes more sense as a
desktop application - At least so that if you have a build that takes
a long time,
Not to mention, when you're debugging line by line in VS, you like to be able to see your app and see VS at the same time.. If they made it a non-desktop app, i think i would just give up on microsoft! :)
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Dec 11 2013 11:30 pm
we all know how microsoft works. they make a shitty version of windows and then get it right every 2 or so versions.
They keep the revenues coming in from extorting new versions out of OEMs, and get the end users to pay for beta/bug testing and feature adds. Genius!
Perhaps.. Computing devices may end up like that in general, but I still think there will be a continued demand and purpose for more traditional
PCs. It's nice to be able to choose specific parts and assemble a computer to suit your needs, rather than having to deal with a pre-built system
where all of the parts have been chosen for you - which may end up working out well for many situations anyway though..
yeah, all because it's a 'new version' and the oems should want to have the latest and greatest. they're holding them hostage.
i think it's all going to be desktops and phones.
why would i need a tablet when i can do everything on my phone?
still think there will be a continued demand and purpose for more
traditional PCs. It's nice to be able to choose specific parts and
i think it's all going to be desktops and phones.
why would i need a tablet when i can do everything on my phone?
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Mro to Nightfox on Thu Dec 12 2013 22:46:09
still think there will be a continued demand and purpose for more
traditional PCs. It's nice to be able to choose specific parts and
i think it's all going to be desktops and phones.
why would i need a tablet when i can do everything on my phone?
Perhaps.. Phones are getting bigger, enough to have created a new category, the "phablet" - A cross between a phone and a tablet. I personally don't li phones to be too big though. I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I think it's almost too big to hold comfortably.
Nightfox
Perhaps.. Phones are getting bigger, enough to have created a new
category, the "phablet" - A cross between a phone and a tablet. I personally don't like phones to be too big though. I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I think it's almost too big to hold comfortably.
Perhaps.. Phones are getting bigger, enough to have created a new category, the "phablet" - A cross between a phone and a tablet. I personally don't li phones to be too big though. I have a Samsung
Galaxy S3 and I think it's almost too big to hold comfortably.
Nightfox
just what we need, tablets you can make calls on.
Perhaps.. Phones are getting bigger, enough to have created a new category, the "phablet" - A cross between a phone and a tablet. I personally don't like phones to be too big though. I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I think it's almost too big to hold comfortably.
It's funny though.. When Samsung made the S3, everyone said no one would like it because it's so big. Then it was a hit! So they came out with the Note 2 and it was an even bigger hit. :) I like my Note 2, it's just the right size if you ask me. It's not me carrying around a big tablet, but
it's still small enough for a phone.
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Mro to Nightfox on Thu Dec 12 2013 10:46 pm
i think it's all going to be desktops and phones.
why would i need a tablet when i can do everything on my phone?
Intel had an idea way back when for a tiny computer the size of an external HD. You'd bring it with you and plug it into a keyboard, mouse and video wherever you went.
Those Ubuntu phones show some promise for this - have some way to dock it
or to connect a KVM and you'd have a decent desktop experience.
Perhaps.. Phones are getting bigger, enough to have created a new
category, the "phablet" - A cross between a phone and a tablet. I personally don't like phones to be too big though. I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I think it's almost too big to hold comfortably.
It's funny though.. When Samsung made the S3, everyone said no one would like it because it's so big. Then it was a hit! So they came out with the Note 2 and it was an even bigger hit. :) I like my Note 2, it's just the right size if you ask me. It's not me carrying around a big tablet, but
it's still small enough for a phone.
The Samsung Galaxy phones are definitely good phones, but I do think its large size makes it slightly cumbersome sometimes. Sure it has a nice screen that's easy to read, but that's usually an advantage given to tablets. I don't mind having a smaller screen on my phone because I want
to be able to hold it easily and have it fit in my pocket easily.
Samsung's Galaxy S3 fits in my pocket just fine, but I don't think I'd want it to be any bigger.
personally don't like phones to be too big though. I have a Samsung
Galaxy S3 and I think it's almost too big to hold comfortably.
yeah i have one too. i dont use it much for calls, though.
i miss my physical keyboard.
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yeah i have one too. i dont use it much for calls, though.
i miss my physical keyboard.
I also miss having a physical keyboard. The last phone I had (a LG Optimus Slider), I bought because it had a physical keyboard. Unfortunately there are very few cell phones made with physical keyboards anymore.
it sucks. before i was typing like 60 wpm on my phone. now it's 10 mistakes a minute.
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Mro to Nightfox on Fri Dec 13 2013 16:08:36
personally don't like phones to be too big though. I have a Samsung
Galaxy S3 and I think it's almost too big to hold comfortably.
yeah i have one too. i dont use it much for calls, though.
i miss my physical keyboard.
I also miss having a physical keyboard. The last phone I had (a LG Optimus Slider), I bought because it had a physical keyboard. Unfortunately there a very few cell phones made with physical keyboards anymore.
Nightfox
I was a diehard Blackberry fan, becuase of the physical keyboard. The only thing I did not like is that you had to purchase Blackberry BEZ server to relay Exchange emails, and having a small company is
definately was not worth the investment. This also caused an issue when customers would reply or try t o recieve an email, relayed with another account. So, I switch everyones phone, including the sales department,
and it was an easy integration with our Exchange Server. So, we are an Iphone company, as of now!
I also miss having a physical keyboard. The last phone I had (a LG Optimus Slider), I bought because it had a physical keyboard. Unfortunately there are very few cell phones made with physical
keyboards anymore.
I'm a crackberry fan so I'm lucky that way. My Z10 (Touch screen)
died so I picked up a Q5 yesterday. Love it my keyboard's. ;)
By "crackberry", are you referring to Blackberry? That's a new one.
:P
Yes I am, love my crackberry. ;)
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Charon to Nightfox on Sun Dec 15 2013 10:12:23
I was a diehard Blackberry fan, becuase of the physical keyboard. The only thing I did not like is that you had to purchase Blackberry BEZ server to relay Exchange emails, and having a small company is definately was not worth the investment. This also caused an issue whe customers would reply or try t o recieve an email, relayed with another account. So, I switch everyones phone, including the sales department, and it was an easy integration with our Exchange Server. So, we are an Iphone company, as of now!
I still think it's funny & ironic that one of Apple's big things is to "thin different" and do things differently, yet these days, they've been adding features to their products so that they can be integrated into Microsoft environments. It was definitely a good move on their part. I haven't used X very much, but OS X seems to be able to integrate fairly well with Microso and *nix environments (*nix especially, since it's based on BSD). Apple see to be one of the better companies these days about following standards.
Nightfox
I agree. Since Apple started using the Intel Processor Chips and able to runs virtual machines, such as Windows 7, XP, etc. alot of people are slowly moving to MAC. However, due to the pricing, I will not be one of those anytime soon <lol>. But, if MAC wanted to be competitive, drop the pricing down a bit and give the PC market a run for their money.
I've heard people say that Apple's Mac prices are about on par with similarly-equipped PCs. I'm not sure if that's true, but if so, that means
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Nightfox to Charon on Sun Dec 15 2013 01:31 pm
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Charon to Nightfox on Sun Dec 15 2013 10:12:23
I was a diehard Blackberry fan, becuase of the physical keyboard. T only thing I did not like is that you had to purchase Blackberry BEZ server to relay Exchange emails, and having a small company is definately was not worth the investment. This also caused an issue customers would reply or try t o recieve an email, relayed with anot account. So, I switch everyones phone, including the sales departmen and it was an easy integration with our Exchange Server. So, we are Iphone company, as of now!
I still think it's funny & ironic that one of Apple's big things is to "t different" and do things differently, yet these days, they've been adding features to their products so that they can be integrated into Microsoft environments. It was definitely a good move on their part. I haven't us X very much, but OS X seems to be able to integrate fairly well with Micr and *nix environments (*nix especially, since it's based on BSD). Apple to be one of the better companies these days about following standards.
Nightfox
I agree. Since Apple started using the Intel Processor Chips and able to runs virtual machines, such as Windows 7, XP, etc. alot of people are slowly moving to MAC. However, due to the pricing, I will not be one of those anytime soon <lol>. But, if MAC wanted to be competitive, drop the pricing down a bit and give the PC market a run for their money.
Just my humble opinion!
Charon
riverstyx.darktech.org
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Nightfox to Falcon Lord on Tue Dec 17 2013 09:26 pm
I've heard people say that Apple's Mac prices are about on par with similarly-equipped PCs. I'm not sure if that's true, but if so, that mea
when someone tells you that bunch them in the cock.
because they are a liar.
when someone tells you that bunch them in the cock.
because they are a liar.
hey, leave my chicken alone
I've heard people say that Apple's Mac prices are about on par with similarly-equipped PCs. I'm not sure if that's true, but if so, that means Apple is really only concerned with selling high-end computers. I suppose their iMac is about comparable in price to what I'd probably pay if I bought or built a PC. It would be nice if Apple would make a Mac that's both customizable and reasonably priced.
I've heard people say that Apple's Mac prices are about on par with similarly-equipped PCs. I'm not sure if that's true, but if so, that
If you build an exact system you might pay 10% more for the apple (imac only, powermac is a different story), but why would you want too? Apple systems are crap. Up front the apple systems seem like a good price, but keep in mind you can't upgrade those systems, hell even PC notebooks let
you swap out the battery/hdd when it fails, but Apple needs you to replace your system every 5-6 years.
I've heard people say that Apple's Mac prices are about on par with similarly-equipped PCs. I'm not sure if that's true, but if so, that means
when someone tells you that bunch them in the cock.
because they are a liar.
you swap out the battery/hdd when it fails, but Apple needs you to replace your system every 5-6 years.
hey, leave my chicken alone
When I started out BBSing, there was none of this cock-bunching talk. We were a civilized band of hooligans.
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Poindexter Fortran to Curly on Wed Dec 18 2013 06:37 am
hey, leave my chicken alone
When I started out BBSing, there was none of this cock-bunching talk. We were a civilized band of hooligans.
cock bunching is when you take out both your cocks and hold them both in one hand and squeeze as hard as you can.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
when someone tells you that bunch them in the cock.
Building an PC to meet the same specs as an Apple system however
generally doesn't make sense for various reasons.
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Dec 18 2013 01:06:46
when someone tells you that bunch them in the cock.
I'm not entirely sure how to parse your sentence. Some punctuation would
be useful. If you intended to have a comma after "that", I still don't
know what it means to "bunch" someone.
Building an PC to meet the same specs as an Apple system however generally doesn't make sense for various reasons.
What do you think those reasons are? I think it's useful at least to do a comparison of how much it would cost to build a similar system vs. how much Apple charges for theirs.
I don't think Apple uses the name "PowerMac" for any of their Macs
believe their current lineup consists of the MacBook (Air, Pro), iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro.
you swap out the battery/hdd when it fails, but Apple needs you to
replace your system every 5-6 years.
Apple policy is actually 3 years. You are at a large disadvantage extending your replacement cycle beyond that.
Building an PC to meet the same specs as an Apple system howeverWhat do you think those reasons are? I think it's useful at least to
generally doesn't make sense for various reasons.
Because the integration that Apple performs is often where the improvement
comes from, not the chip they select itself. Their GPUs for example are often one or two years old not-quite top-of-the-line. The Mac drivers are much better than the Mac drivers for any other GPU, and the entire system is tuned expecting some of the features of it.
Similar with network cards... the Apple ones generally have on-chip support for things like bonjour support when the system is powered off. The chip itself isn't actually any better performance-wise than a cheaper one that's available on many other motherboard designs, and the feature Apple is paying more for doesn't help with the Windows experience. Because the entire system can save power by using that more expensive feature, Apple uses that better chip.
To get that network chip in a PC, you'd have to get it on a NIC since nobody ships it as the LOM. the price differences because of stuff like this add up and you end up with a sound card, video card, and network card, all replacing something that's integrated on the motherboard you bought (because the chipset Apple uses always ships with integrated Network/Audio).
Basically, putting the same specs together from white box components can't
*really* be done unless you pay extra for features you won't use in a format that isn't the same as the Mac one.
I don't think Apple uses the name "PowerMac" for any of their Macs
believe their current lineup consists of the MacBook (Air, Pro),
iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro.
holy hell dude, symantics, who cares, it's the high end mac that can be spec'ed out to a $20k system that you can get from Dell for $5k or less.
I was saying that Apples systems are designed to fail in 5 years and since your system is all sealed and not serviceable your only option is to buy a brand new system.
Because the integration that Apple performs is often where the improvement
comes from, not the chip they select itself. Their GPUs for example are often one or two years old not-quite top-of-the-line. The Mac drivers are much better than the Mac drivers for any other GPU, and
the entire system is tuned expecting some of the features of it.
I doubt that Apple writes all of their drivers for things like 3rd-party graphics cards (which they use from Nvidia and such).
I wonder how much of that really matters though. If you list all the basic features that most people use (good processor, networking, audio, maybe a webcam, etc.), you can choose similar components for a PC that provide the same features.
Also, I believe much of what Apple uses is commodity parts anyway.
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Android8675 to Deuce on Thu Dec 19 2013 03:49 pm
I was saying that Apples systems are designed to fail in 5 years and sinc your system is all sealed and not serviceable your only option is to buy brand new system.
Most Macs I've encountered don't die after 5 years... in face all the Macs I have still work and they're all over 5 years old. My beige G3 even still works.
But they all became effectively useless and completely unsupported after thr years so it ddoesn't matter that they work.
> > hand and squeeze as hard as you can.cock bunching is when you take out both your cocks and hold them both in o
isnt that sort of rough on the animals?
> > hand and squeeze as hard as you can.cock bunching is when you take out both your cocks and hold them
both in o
isnt that sort of rough on the animals?
Leaves them in a 'fowl' mood...
cock bunching is when you take out both your cocks and hold them
both in o
hand and squeeze as hard as you can.
isnt that sort of rough on the animals?
Leaves them in a 'fowl' mood...
That idea just isn't going to fly.
cock bunching is when you take out both your cocks and hold
them both in o
hand and squeeze as hard as you can.
isnt that sort of rough on the animals?
Leaves them in a 'fowl' mood...
That idea just isn't going to fly.
Please, don't egg him on, this is off-topic!
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: ROB MCCART to CURLY on Fri Dec 20 2013 16:33:00
> > hand and squeeze as hard as you can.cock bunching is when you take out both your cocks and hold them
both in o
isnt that sort of rough on the animals?
Leaves them in a 'fowl' mood...
That idea just isn't going to fly.
Nightfox
Leaves them in a 'fowl' mood...
That idea just isn't going to fly.
why? are you chicken?
isnt that sort of rough on the animals?
Leaves them in a 'fowl' mood...
That idea just isn't going to fly.
Please, don't egg him on, this is off-topic!
isnt that sort of rough on the animals?
Leaves them in a 'fowl' mood...
That idea just isn't going to fly.
Please, don't egg him on, this is off-topic!
We were only yolking.. B)
Most Macs I've encountered don't die after 5 years... in face all the Macs I have still work and they're all over 5 years old. My beige G3 even still works.
But they all became effectively useless and completely unsupported after three years so it ddoesn't matter that they work.
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Nightfox to Mro on Wed Dec 18 2013 07:40 pm
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Mro to Nightfox on Wed Dec 18 2013 01:06:46
when someone tells you that bunch them in the cock.
I'm not entirely sure how to parse your sentence. Some punctuation
would be useful. If you intended to have a comma after "that", I still don't know what it means to "bunch" someone.
it was a typo, "data".
i type so fast sometimes the wrong letters shit out.
would be useful. If you intended to have a comma after "that", I still don't know what it means to "bunch" someone.
it was a typo, "data".
i type so fast sometimes the wrong letters shit out.
But 'b' and 'p' are nowhere near eachother on a standard (QWERTY) keyboard. What kind of keyboard are you using?
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Digital Man to Mro on Sat Jan 04 2014 12:37 am
would be useful. If you intended to have a comma after "that", I still don't know what it means to "bunch" someone.
it was a typo, "data".
i type so fast sometimes the wrong letters shit out.
But 'b' and 'p' are nowhere near eachother on a standard (QWERTY) keyboard. What kind of keyboard are you using?
i'm using a keyboard from another universe.
But 'b' and 'p' are nowhere near eachother on a standard (QWERTY) keyboard. What kind of keyboard are you using?
i'm using a keyboard from another universe.
I guess so. An IBM "warped" keyboard maybe?
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Digital Man to Mro on Sat Jan 04 2014 04:34 pm
But 'b' and 'p' are nowhere near eachother on a standard (QWERTY) keyboard. What kind of keyboard are you using?
i'm using a keyboard from another universe.
I guess so. An IBM "warped" keyboard maybe?
sometimes when i type really fast i type the wrong words.
it's because i am thinking ahead and something gets swapped around.
i looked into it and i guess it's pretty common. sometimes i even say the wrong words.
right now i'm using a dell keyboard i took from work. http://i.imgur.com/VA5xXlZ.png
they were throwing out hundreds of new ones so i figured i'd take some.
if it gets dirty i chuck it and get another one out of my closet
usually, my keyboard of choice is the g15
http://i.imgur.com/bhIKiyl.jpg
This is my keyboard of choice: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/419V8X7P7FL.jpg
Normal keyboards cramp my hands and limit the hours I can't spend at the keyboard. The natural keyboards are a godsend (for me).
usually, my keyboard of choice is the g15
http://i.imgur.com/bhIKiyl.jpg
This is my keyboard of choice: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/419V8X7P7FL.jpg
Normal keyboards cramp my hands and limit the hours I can't spend at
the keyboard. The natural keyboards are a godsend (for me).
Re: Windows 8 / 8.1
By: Digital Man to Mro on Sat Jan 04 2014 10:18 pm
This is my keyboard of choice: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/419V8X7P7FL.jpg
Normal keyboards cramp my hands and limit the hours I can't spend at the keyboard. The natural keyboards are a godsend (for me).
i have one of those that i havent taken home. it's black though.
i never could get used to those things.
you should look into your hand posture when using a keyboard. i had a very strict typing teacher and i'm programmed to have a proper hand posture even though over the 25 years since i've learned to type i've picked up some bad habits.
I did notice the one you posted had a cord. Is it USB? Do you also know the exact name of it so I can search and compare pricing? Having something like that as a backup, or even for when I'm not gaming, and isn't wireless,
would be great I think.
It's a Microsoft Natural keyboard. I have them in USB and PS/2 (though
the one I'm using right this second is PS/2). Microsoft make them
wireless and wired:
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/keyboards
Interesting that the recent T series have forgone the BEST LAPTOP KEYBOARD IN THE WORLD and gone to an island/chiclet keyboard like the MacBook Pro. I suppose I should get in line with the rest of the world and use a chiclet keyboard, big multi-touchpad, and give up the trackpoint. Not yet, though.
Oh yeah, and say goodbye to the top third of your screen. Paying extra for the feature of "wide screen" even though the screen is no wider.
Ive been looking for a new laptop for my girlfriend for Christmas however they all seem to have windows 8 on now as you would expect.
I recently purchased a replacement laptop for my dad and since he's not about to learn Windows 8, I had to go with an older Dell model (from costco.com) since the first HP Envy unit I bought couldn't be downgraded to Win7 without sacrificing USB support.
I recently purchased a replacement laptop for my dad and since he's not about to learn Windows 8, I had to go with an older Dell model (from costco.com) since the first HP Envy unit I bought couldn't be downgraded to Win7 without sacrificing USB support.
I've noticed that Lenovo still offers Windows 7 on some of its new PCs.
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