• K-Mart policy

    From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to ALL on Thursday, March 01, 2007 14:03:00
    Okay... The K-Mart in my town finally took all their rifles and shotguns
    out, leaving two empty dispay cases back in the sporting goods department.
    Back behind the sporting goods counter, several boxes of rifle and handgun ammunition, unlocked, and nobody at the counter. Aisle in sporting goods
    has, on the shelf, boxes and boxes of shotgun ammunition, including 100
    round cartons!

    Had me scratching my head a little. Doesn't it seem just a LITTLE
    hypocritical for K-Mart to declare that they will not sell firearms in
    their store, yet you can buy .22, .223, .30-30, .30-06, .357, .45 ACP, .44 Magnum and 20 and 12 guage shotgun ammo there? I mean... just how many
    times do you hear of someone being injured with an UNLOADED firearm? It's
    not the guns that are dangerous, it's the misuse of the AMMUNITION!

    Well.... that's just MY opinion... What's YOURS?
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Weatherman on Thursday, March 01, 2007 17:41:00
    Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Weatherman to ALL on Thu Mar 01 2007 02:03 pm

    Okay... The K-Mart in my town finally took all their rifles and shotguns out, leaving two empty dispay cases back in the sporting goods department. Back behind the sporting goods counter, several boxes of rifle and handgun ammunition, unlocked, and nobody at the counter. Aisle in sporting goods has, on the shelf, boxes and boxes of shotgun ammunition, including 100 round cartons!

    Had me scratching my head a little. Doesn't it seem just a LITTLE hypocritical for K-Mart to declare that they will not sell firearms in
    their store, yet you can buy .22, .223, .30-30, .30-06, .357, .45 ACP, .44 Magnum and 20 and 12 guage shotgun ammo there? I mean... just how many times do you hear of someone being injured with an UNLOADED firearm? It's not the guns that are dangerous, it's the misuse of the AMMUNITION!

    Well.... that's just MY opinion... What's YOURS?

    Yeah. Guns cannot shoot by themselves. But when they crack down on crime,
    they cut down on gun sales. It's politics but also laws made as well.

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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to Weatherman on Thursday, March 01, 2007 20:14:00
    Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Weatherman to ALL on Thu Mar 01 2007 02:03 pm

    Okay... The K-Mart in my town finally took all their rifles and shotguns out, leaving two empty dispay cases back in the sporting goods department. Back behind the sporting goods counter, several boxes of rifle and handgun ammunition, unlocked, and nobody at the counter. Aisle in sporting goods has, on the shelf, boxes and boxes of shotgun ammunition, including 100 round cartons!

    Had me scratching my head a little. Doesn't it seem just a LITTLE hypocritical for K-Mart to declare that they will not sell firearms in
    their store, yet you can buy .22, .223, .30-30, .30-06, .357, .45 ACP, .44 Magnum and 20 and 12 guage shotgun ammo there? I mean... just how many times do you hear of someone being injured with an UNLOADED firearm? It's not the guns that are dangerous, it's the misuse of the AMMUNITION!

    Well.... that's just MY opinion... What's YOURS?

    I just realized the other day that the WalMart I work at stopped selling guns also. Go figure!
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  • From John Guillory@VERT/MAINLINE to The Millionaire on Saturday, March 03, 2007 01:11:00
    Re: K-Mart policy
    By: The Millionaire to Weatherman on Thu Mar 01 2007 05:41 pm

    Well.... that's just MY opinion... What's YOURS?

    Yeah. Guns cannot shoot by themselves. But when they crack down on crime, they cut down on gun sales. It's politics but also laws made as well.
    I don't know if your chain of K-Mart's are owned by the same company as the on e around here... Nor do I know if the K-Mart's around here are doing the same thing... Reason being is K-Mart around here isn't worth shopping at.... Anyone paying attention to to the store will know when Unemployment was Up, profiets was up, and sales where up, The amount of staff that K-Mart kept working the store was way down. K-Mart cut hours ridicalously low and worked so few employees that you had to stand in line for 30-40 minutes, if you had
    a question and needed an associate to check on a price, you would be best off just taking it to the counter and praying you had enough money, because it could take you Literally 2 hours to find an associate on the store that
    wasn't with a customer.... Reason being, rather than having an associate work
    1 department, the associate was then responsible for at least half the store.... Not to mention, the managers treated their employees so poorly, it was nothing to discover your relief wouldn't show up and you got stuck
    working a 16 hour shift... But that didn't mean overtime! That meant you ended up having an extra day off by loosing one of your other days you where scheduled to work.... Of course this put other employees in a bind, but they much rather not have to pay the extra labor..... That is what it boils down to.... It cost too much money to pay someone to fill out the gun permits and hunting licenses, so they just put the bullets in the shelf and stop selling the guns, besides.... How many shotguns does K-Mart sell, and how often? For
    a while, Walmart and K-Mart was competing to see who could drive their customers away the most, then Walmart began to wake up.... K-Mart got
    worse... Eventually, K-Mart will be a historical name, known only for what
    it used to be, not as a business that is presently in business.... Not the customers fault, not Walmart's fault.... It's K-Mart's poor management.


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  • From Gandolf@VERT to All on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 20:59:50
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    Okay... The K-Mart in my town finally took all their rifles and shotguns out, leaving two empty dispay cases back in the sporting goods department. Back behind the sporting goods counter, several boxes of rifle and handgun ammunition, unlocked, and nobody at the counter. Aisle in sporting goods has, on the shelf, boxes and boxes of shotgun ammunition, including 100
    round cartons!

    Had me scratching my head a little. Doesn't it seem just a LITTLE hypocritical for K-Mart to declare that they will not sell firearms in
    their store, yet you can buy .22, .223, .30-30, .30-06, .357, .45 ACP, .44 Magnum and 20 and 12 guage shotgun ammo there? I mean... just how many times do you hear of someone being injured with an UNLOADED firearm? It's not the guns that are dangerous, it's the misuse of the AMMUNITION!

    Well.... that's just MY opinion... What's YOURS?

    I know I'm responding to a really old string, but here's my opinion. Guns
    and ammunition in and of themselves aren't dangerous. The dangerous
    "variable" in the firearms discussion is the jackass behind the trigger.

    WHY??? Because you were stupid enough to ask.
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  • From The Curmudgeon@VERT/KIA to Gandolf on Thursday, April 19, 2007 07:50:00
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    Well.... that's just MY opinion... What's YOURS?

    I know I'm responding to a really old string, but here's my opinion.
    Guns and ammunition in and of themselves aren't dangerous. The
    dangerous "variable" in the firearms discussion is the jackass behind
    the trigger.

    Exactly right, a gun is just a tool when used wrongly can cause injury or death all at the whim of the holder.

    WHY??? Because you were stupid enough to ask.

    Hmmm, I didn't ask but I did receive. :)



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  • From Jim@VERT/TOHS to The Curmudgeon on Friday, April 20, 2007 10:36:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: The Curmudgeon to Gandolf on Thu Apr 19 2007 07:50 am

    theres nothing wrong with owning guns, i own several, i like shooting them,
    but i doubt i would ever shoot anybody with them, maybe if they were
    attacking my wife id shoot them in the ass, but thats about it. its when
    crazy people get their hands on them then we got a prob.
    background checks are not enough, they need a bigger database for that stuff


    Jimbo




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    Well.... that's just MY opinion... What's YOURS?

    I know I'm responding to a really old string, but here's my opinion. Guns and ammunition in and of themselves aren't dangerous. The dangerous "variable" in the firearms discussion is the jackass behind the trigger.

    Exactly right, a gun is just a tool when used wrongly can cause injury or death all at the whim of the holder.

    WHY??? Because you were stupid enough to ask.

    Hmmm, I didn't ask but I did receive. :)



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  • From Ralph Smole@VERT/NIMBUS to Jim on Friday, April 20, 2007 16:37:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Jim to The Curmudgeon on Fri Apr 20 2007 10:36 am

    crazy people get their hands on them then we got a prob.
    background checks are not enough, they need a bigger database for that stuff

    We need INSTANT checks. And instant death to those who use guns to commit crimes.
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  • From Raistlin@VERT/TOHS to Ralph Smole on Friday, April 20, 2007 17:28:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Ralph Smole to Jim on Fri Apr 20 2007 04:37 pm

    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Jim to The Curmudgeon on Fri Apr 20 2007 10:36 am

    crazy people get their hands on them then we got a prob.
    background checks are not enough, they need a bigger database for that st

    We need INSTANT checks. And instant death to those who use guns to commit crimes.
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    They ran a check on the dude in Virignia, the problem was is that their check was not full. It did not say he was mentally ill and that was recorded in public record.
    I thought there was a 5-10 day wait period for guns!?

    Maybe not in virginia


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  • From The Curmudgeon@VERT/KIA to Jim on Friday, April 20, 2007 22:50:00
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    theres nothing wrong with owning guns, i own several, i like shooting them, but i doubt i would ever shoot anybody with them, maybe if they
    were attacking my wife id shoot them in the ass, but thats about it.
    its when crazy people get their hands on them then we got a prob. background checks are not enough, they need a bigger database for that stuff

    Ummm, background checks would be a good start, my idea of gun control is ,
    if you commit a crime using a gun you get the maximum penalty allowed by law, if you use the gun to commit murder instant death penalty upon conviction. Too extreme? Well maybe but I'd be willing to bet the instance of gun usage during the commission of a crime would go down drastically. :)



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  • From Sniper@VERT/KIA to The Curmudgeon on Saturday, April 21, 2007 00:49:00
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    theres nothing wrong with owning guns, i own several, i like shooting them, but i doubt i would ever shoot anybody with them, maybe if they
    were attacking my wife id shoot them in the ass, but thats about it.
    its when crazy people get their hands on them then we got a prob. background checks are not enough, they need a bigger database for that stuff

    Ummm, background checks would be a good start, my idea of gun control
    is , if you commit a crime using a gun you get the maximum penalty
    allowed by law, if you use the gun to commit murder instant death
    penalty upon conviction. Too extreme? Well maybe but I'd be willing
    to bet the instance of gun usage during the commission of a crime would
    go down drastically. :)

    You know... I was reading this story on the Internet about a town here
    in Georgia, Kennesaw... Here's the story...

    From: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

    25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'
    Crime rate plummeted after law required firearms for residents

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Posted: April 19, 2007
    1:52 p.m. Eastern


    c 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


    Kennesaw, Ga., City Hall

    As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies
    like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last
    month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and
    violence after mandating residents to own firearms.

    In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding
    to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an
    ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun.
    Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and
    increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been
    involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

    The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage
    of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually
    significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the
    law.

    Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242
    but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the
    national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available
    – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile,
    the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.


    By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in
    Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005
    statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate
    increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though
    the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.

    This was not what some predicted.

    In a column titled "Gun Town USA," Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw
    would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors
    would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as
    "the brave little city … soon to be pistol-packing capital of the
    world." Phil Donahue invited the mayor on his show.

    Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw
    controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre.

    Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: "When the Kennesaw law was passed in
    1982 there was a substantial drop in crime … and we have maintained a
    really low crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest
    (crime) towns in the metro area." Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta.

    The Reuters story went on to report: "Since the Virginia Tech
    shootings, some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected
    attempts to link the massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that
    had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have
    been able to shoot the killer."

    Virginia Tech, like many of the nation's schools and college campuses,
    is a so-called "gun-free zone," which Second Amendment supporters say
    invites gun violence – especially from disturbed individuals seeking
    to kill as many victims as possible.

    Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun
    on himself.



    Thought it was interesting...



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  • From The Curmudgeon@VERT/KIA to Sniper on Saturday, April 21, 2007 02:11:00
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    Virginia Tech, like many of the nation's schools and college campuses,
    is a so-called "gun-free zone," which Second Amendment supporters say invites gun violence – especially from disturbed individuals seeking
    to kill as many victims as possible.

    Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun
    on himself.



    Thought it was interesting...

    Indeed it was! This is the kind of thing you'll not find much on national television or news. Thanks for posting it as well as the link. Very interesting story indeed!

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  • From Sniper@VERT/KIA to The Curmudgeon on Monday, April 23, 2007 18:40:00
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    Thought it was interesting...

    Indeed it was! This is the kind of thing you'll not find much on national television or news. Thanks for posting it as well as the
    link. Very interesting story indeed!

    As a retired Cop, I thought it was interesting, and makes you go
    Hummm... :)

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    BBS is on a XP system because I run some door games that Linux can't
    run nicely. I have a Vista Ultimate system, a Media Center
    XP system, a FreeBSD system, a Slackware system and a Debian system.
    Not counting my kids and wife's computers... Got a couple of notebooks
    that dual boot to Linux and Windows...





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  • From Scotty@VERT/MYSTICFO to Sniper on Monday, April 23, 2007 23:37:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy

    Hmmmm, you using linux now?

    Me? I've been using Linux/*nix forever. I started running Linux in its infancy... I have multiple systems though, and that my be why... The
    BBS is on a XP system because I run some door games that Linux can't
    run nicely. I have a Vista Ultimate system, a Media Center
    XP system, a FreeBSD system, a Slackware system and a Debian system.
    Not counting my kids and wife's computers... Got a couple of notebooks
    that dual boot to Linux and Windows...

    Dang Sniper, you are getting about as bad as me, I've got 7 systems running right now, each one running a different version of windows, and building my first 2 linux boxes as we speak. And a couple notebooks too, is our hobby computers or do we just like to collect them? :)

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  • From Sniper@VERT/KIA to Scotty on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 22:01:00
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    Re: Re: K-Mart policy

    Hmmmm, you using linux now?

    Me? I've been using Linux/*nix forever. I started running Linux in its infancy... I have multiple systems though, and that my be why... The
    BBS is on a XP system because I run some door games that Linux can't
    run nicely. I have a Vista Ultimate system, a Media Center
    XP system, a FreeBSD system, a Slackware system and a Debian system.
    Not counting my kids and wife's computers... Got a couple of notebooks
    that dual boot to Linux and Windows...

    Dang Sniper, you are getting about as bad as me, I've got 7 systems running right now, each one running a different version of windows, and building my first 2 linux boxes as we speak. And a couple notebooks
    too, is our hobby computers or do we just like to collect them? :)

    Its not a hobby for me, its my bread and butter! :)

    I own CH Computer Networking, Inc. Computer Cousultant. Currently have
    a little over 300 clients... :)

    At one time I had 9 running PC's, that were just business... I've cut
    back to 5 with 2 for the wife and kids. Although, one of the 5 is also
    my Media Center system connected to the TV, but I use its HD for
    storage. :)




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  • From Scotty@VERT/MYSTICFO to Sniper on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 03:32:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy

    Scotty wrote to Sniper <=-

    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    Its not a hobby for me, its my bread and butter! :)

    I own CH Computer Networking, Inc. Computer Cousultant. Currently have
    a little over 300 clients... :)

    At one time I had 9 running PC's, that were just business... I've cut
    back to 5 with 2 for the wife and kids. Although, one of the 5 is also
    my Media Center system connected to the TV, but I use its HD for
    storage. :)

    Well I make money off of mine too, I own Nassau Computer Technologies. I have about 40-45 commercial clients, 20 non comercial clients and a very good walk-in business. Those computers I spoke of are my personal computers, all the business stuff is either kept on the network at the answering service or at the NCT storefront or both. But mine at the house are my hobby computers.

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  • From The Curmudgeon@VERT/KIA to Sniper on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 15:10:00
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    As a retired Cop, I thought it was interesting, and makes you go
    Hummm... :)

    indeed it does, there are many stories where some citizen with a weapon is able to
    stop one of these crazies but somehow or another it doesn't fit the anti gun crowd so
    you'll rarely see it on the major news networks. :(

    Hmmmm, you using linux now?

    Me? I've been using Linux/*nix forever. I started running Linux in
    its infancy... I have multiple systems though, and that my be why...

    Interesting and something I didn't know. :) I've never run a dedicated linux machine though I always thought it would be nice to try it sometime. I do have the
    DVD version of Knopix linux here though and have run it on occasion.

    The BBS is on a XP system because I run some door games that Linux
    can't run nicely. I have a Vista Ultimate system, a Media Center

    cool, I just got this new dell dual core pc about a month and a half ago and I'm
    running vista home deluxe or whatever it is, just a step above home , but it seems
    to be pretty solid.

    XP system, a FreeBSD system, a Slackware system and a Debian system.
    Not counting my kids and wife's computers... Got a couple of notebooks that dual boot to Linux and Windows...

    Wow! That's some diversion for you eh? :)



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  • From Voyager_Lpadbbs@VERT/FLAMINGS to 1RAISTLIN on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 01:44:00
    Quoting Raistlin to Ralph Smole <=-

    They ran a check on the dude in Virignia, the problem was is that
    their check was not full. It did not say he was mentally ill and that
    was recorded in public record.
    I thought there was a 5-10 day wait period for guns!?

    Maybe not in virginia


    I am not sure about all this, But I remember hearing that this kid was Not
    a US citizen, and if this is true I wouldnt think he has a right to keep
    and bare arms under the constitution. If this is indeed the case I
    would think that the entire gun purchase was in violation of the law in the
    first place, and on top of it he had a history of serious mental illness.

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  • From Voyager_Lpadbbs@VERT/FLAMINGS to 7THE CURMUDGEON on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 01:44:00
    Quoting The Curmudgeon to Jim <=-

    Jim spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-


    Ummm, background checks would be a good start, my idea of gun control
    is , if you commit a crime using a gun you get the maximum penalty
    allowed by law, if you use the gun to commit murder instant death
    penalty upon conviction. Too extreme? Well maybe but I'd be willing
    to bet the instance of gun usage during the commission of a crime would
    go down drastically. :)

    I dont think this would be the case at all, evil people are plain
    evil, and even though this guy Knew full well his life was gone after
    he pulled the trigger, he did it anyway. You can make laws as harsh
    as you want but if someone is planing to off himself anyway, harsh gun
    laws wont help in any way.

    Gun control just doesnt work, and never has and never will. Even if the
    US would ban all guns, criminals will still have them, and there will
    always be a black market for firearms. Gun control only disarms law
    abiding citizens.

    This guy that did the shooting at VA Tech, well he had already broken
    about 50 laws, another 50 would only mean he ignored 100 laws then
    just 50.

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  • From The Curmudgeon@VERT/KIA to Voyager_Lpadbbs on Sunday, April 29, 2007 14:38:00
    Voyager_Lpadbbs spoke thus to 7THE CURMUDGEON <=-

    Quoting The Curmudgeon to Jim <=-

    Jim spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-


    Ummm, background checks would be a good start, my idea of gun control
    is , if you commit a crime using a gun you get the maximum penalty
    allowed by law, if you use the gun to commit murder instant death
    penalty upon conviction. Too extreme? Well maybe but I'd be willing
    to bet the instance of gun usage during the commission of a crime would
    go down drastically. :)

    I dont think this would be the case at all, evil people are plain
    evil, and even though this guy Knew full well his life was gone after
    he pulled the trigger, he did it anyway. You can make laws as harsh

    Agreed, in this one case and probably a handful more, the above solution would not work but there would be, IMHO, countless other cases where people hopefully stop and think about it before they use a gun to rob a convenience store etc.

    There was an article in a magazine a few years ago where some town, if I remember right it was in Virginia, passes a similar law and gun crimes dropped considerably. No , you're not going to stop someone hell bent on self destruction no matter what you do but to throw up your arms and say that wouldn't be of some help is also wrong.

    as you want but if someone is planing to off himself anyway, harsh gun
    laws wont help in any way.

    See my above statement. :)

    Gun control just doesnt work, and never has and never will. Even if
    the
    US would ban all guns, criminals will still have them, and there will
    always be a black market for firearms. Gun control only disarms law
    abiding citizens.

    Absolutely and I'm in total agreement with you there. I'm not talking about taking away a citizens right to keep and bear arms, only advocating harsh and strict punishment for people who use then in felonious acts.

    This guy that did the shooting at VA Tech, well he had already broken
    about 50 laws, another 50 would only mean he ignored 100 laws then
    just 50.

    :) a point where so many gun control advocates seem to miss. When people ignore the laws and are unrepentant there is little you can do. For example, why is it that people can be speeding down the road 15 to 20 miles over the speed limit and drop down to 10 miles per hour under the limit if they see a patrolman? Same principle applies to some extent. They slow down to avoid punishment via a speeding ticket and they know fully well they are breaking the law at that point. :)



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  • From Jim@VERT/TOHS to The Curmudgeon on Monday, May 07, 2007 15:44:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: The Curmudgeon to Jim on Fri Apr 20 2007 10:50 pm

    Jim spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-

    theres nothing wrong with owning guns, i own several, i like shooting them, but i doubt i would ever shoot anybody with them, maybe if they were attacking my wife id shoot them in the ass, but thats about it. its when crazy people get their hands on them then we got a prob. background checks are not enough, they need a bigger database for that stuff

    Ummm, background checks would be a good start, my idea of gun control is , if you commit a crime using a gun you get the maximum penalty allowed by law if you use the gun to commit murder instant death penalty upon conviction. extreme? Well maybe but I'd be willing to bet the instance of gun usage dur


    one thing that is proven is that making the penalty greater will not make people stop doing the crime
    Especially if they wish to kill themselves afterward.



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  • From Jim@VERT/TOHS to Voyager_Lpadbbs on Monday, May 07, 2007 15:47:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Voyager_Lpadbbs to 1RAISTLIN on Wed Apr 28 2010 01:44 am

    Quoting Raistlin to Ralph Smole <=-

    They ran a check on the dude in Virignia, the problem was is that
    their check was not full. It did not say he was mentally ill and that was recorded in public record.
    I thought there was a 5-10 day wait period for guns!?

    Maybe not in virginia


    I am not sure about all this, But I remember hearing that this kid was Not
    a US citizen, and if this is true I wouldnt think he has a right to keep
    and bare arms under the constitution. If this is indeed the case I
    would think that the entire gun purchase was in violation of the law in the
    first place, and on top of it he had a history of serious mental illness.

    voyager one

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    i am pretty sure he was a citizen officially, he was just not born in the US



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  • From Jim@VERT/TOHS to The Curmudgeon on Monday, May 07, 2007 15:53:00
    Re: Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: The Curmudgeon to Voyager_Lpadbbs on Sun Apr 29 2007 02:38 pm

    Absolutely and I'm in total agreement with you there. I'm not talking abo taking away a citizens right to keep and bear arms, only advocating harsh an strict punishment for people who use then in felonious acts.



    Why are we punishing people who shoot a burgler on their own property?
    Why is the crook suing the homeowner?

    It should just be harder to get the gun, the laws are always broken and
    always beatin in court one way or another



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  • From Mbr@VERT to Jim on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:36:02

    Why are we punishing people who shoot a burgler on their own
    property? Why is the crook suing the homeowner? It should
    just be harder to get the gun, the laws are always broken
    and always beatin in court one way or another <<WTF happened

    I must ask. do you actually think 100% of the crimes commited with guns are
    of legal gun buyers? um not really my man. those who commit crimes with guns 99% chance they bought the gun at the back of a van in a dark alley some
    where down town. trust me

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  • From Jim@VERT/TOHS to Mbr on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 18:19:00
    Re: Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Mbr to Jim on Tue May 08 2007 05:36 pm


    Why are we punishing people who shoot a burgler on their own
    property? Why is the crook suing the homeowner? It should
    just be harder to get the gun, the laws are always broken
    and always beatin in court one way or another <<WTF happened

    I must ask. do you actually think 100% of the crimes commited with guns are of legal gun buyers? um not really my man. those who commit crimes with guns 99% chance they bought the gun at the back of a van in a dark alley some where down town. trust me

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    You are right, but you misunderstood me....
    i must say i was talking about legal gun owners getting screwed basically
    when crazy gangsters can do drive bys (with illegal guns) and get away with
    it. however if you look at more of the high fatality rates in gun crimes the ones that cause the most deaths most of those guns are bought at a location
    it seems... i could be wrong
    there is no way to stop it

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  • From Mbr@VERT to Jim on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 04:18:04




    You are right, but you misunderstood me.... i must say i was
    talking about legal gun owners getting screwed basically
    when crazy gangsters can do drive bys (with illegal guns)
    and get away with it. however if you look at more of the
    high fatality rates in gun crimes th ones that cause the
    most deaths most of those guns are bought at a location it
    seems... i could be wrong there is no way to stop it ...Jim
    <<<WTF happened to my signature?>>>

    well I don't know the statistics. so I can't either yay or nay on that. but buffalo is the drive by capital of the world. and actually that is fact. comes in #1 when it comes to drive byes. I doubt they own guns leagally. as for the rest. I just dk

    ... 43% of all statistics are totally worthless!!!

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  • From The Curmudgeon@VERT/KIA to Jim on Sunday, May 13, 2007 23:25:00
    Jim spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-


    Ummm, background checks would be a good start, my idea of gun control is , if you commit a crime using a gun you get the maximum penalty allowed by law if you use the gun to commit murder instant death penalty upon conviction. extreme? Well maybe but I'd be willing to bet the instance of gun usage dur


    one thing that is proven is that making the penalty greater will not
    make people stop doing the crime

    Sorry but you're wrong, this has not been proven it's only speculation. The case in Virginia I was talking about was studied and proven to be effective in most , but agreed, not every case. :)

    Especially if they wish to kill themselves afterward.

    Here we can agree, but nothing, not even gun control , could stop those
    eople.



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  • From The Curmudgeon@VERT/KIA to Jim on Sunday, May 13, 2007 23:31:00
    Jim spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-

    Why are we punishing people who shoot a burgler on their own property?
    Why is the crook suing the homeowner?

    Could it be so simple as there are shyster lawyers and bleeding heart liberals involved in this? It used to be that use of force against trespassers was a given and it's only recently that it has changed. A friend of mine in law enforcement has told me that if you must fire upon a trespasser make sure you kill him. Tis a sad testament as to the climate in today's world. <sigh?

    It should just be harder to get the gun, the laws are always broken and always beatin in court one way or another

    So you say but the criminal element will always find a way around it. I personally could go to Chicago and get whatever my heart desired illegally and I'm sure it's much the same in any big city so the point of making it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain a firearm is mute. The criminals will always have them and in abundance where Joe Citizen has only the option of calling 911 and praying and hoping that help will arrive on time.


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  • From Sniper@VERT/KIA to Scotty on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 18:55:00
    Scotty wrote to Sniper <=-

    Re: Re: K-Mart policy

    Scotty wrote to Sniper <=-

    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    Its not a hobby for me, its my bread and butter! :)

    I own CH Computer Networking, Inc. Computer Cousultant. Currently have
    a little over 300 clients... :)

    At one time I had 9 running PC's, that were just business... I've cut
    back to 5 with 2 for the wife and kids. Although, one of the 5 is also
    my Media Center system connected to the TV, but I use its HD for
    storage. :)

    Well I make money off of mine too, I own Nassau Computer Technologies.
    I have about 40-45 commercial clients, 20 non comercial clients and a
    very good walk-in business. Those computers I spoke of are my personal computers, all the business stuff is either kept on the network at the answering service or at the NCT storefront or both. But mine at the
    house are my hobby computers.

    My house is my business front shall we say. I don't do walk in
    business, as I'm out at clients all day long. Sometimes think I should
    hire some help, but then business slows down and I'm glad I didn't. :)



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  • From Sniper@VERT/KIA to The Curmudgeon on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 19:07:00
    The Curmudgeon wrote to Sniper <=-

    Sniper spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-


    As a retired Cop, I thought it was interesting, and makes you go
    Hummm... :)

    indeed it does, there are many stories where some citizen with a
    weapon is able to
    stop one of these crazies but somehow or another it doesn't fit the
    anti gun crowd so
    you'll rarely see it on the major news networks. :(

    Got a buddy here who's a gun nut. Not saying its bad, as I own serveral myself, but I haven't even considered getting a carry/conceled license,
    well, he's got one and damn if he doesn't carry something with him
    everywhere he goes. I'd think it would get in the way, as I remember
    how cumbersome they were when I was carrying them for work every day.

    Hmmmm, you using linux now?

    Me? I've been using Linux/*nix forever. I started running Linux in
    its infancy... I have multiple systems though, and that my be why...

    Interesting and something I didn't know. :) I've never run a
    dedicated linux machine though I always thought it would be nice to try
    it sometime. I do have the
    DVD version of Knopix linux here though and have run it on occasion.

    I started back in the real early days... Couldn't operate without it
    now. This system is so stable, I can't remember the last time I had to
    do anything to it. It just keeps on running.

    The BBS is on a XP system because I run some door games that Linux
    can't run nicely. I have a Vista Ultimate system, a Media Center

    cool, I just got this new dell dual core pc about a month and a half
    ago and I'm
    running vista home deluxe or whatever it is, just a step above home ,
    but it seems
    to be pretty solid.

    I've had the pleasure of setting quite a few of those up the last few
    weeks. <reason for long space between postings>. Think they are the
    nice, but I still think my 3.8ghz runs faster. :)

    XP system, a FreeBSD system, a Slackware system and a Debian system.
    Not counting my kids and wife's computers... Got a couple of notebooks that dual boot to Linux and Windows...

    Wow! That's some diversion for you eh? :)

    I have to be diverse... my clients are diverse also: from banks still
    running OS/2 and AIX Unix, Corporate entities running AIX Unix, Linux,
    BSD, and every flavor of Windows from 95 to Vista. Even have one old Realestate guy still running DOS.

    The one thing I dont' do, is home PC's. Although, I will do the
    business clients home PC's. But Joe Blow off the street... won't touch
    it.

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  • From The Curmudgeon@VERT/KIA to Sniper on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 18:18:00
    Sniper spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-

    Got a buddy here who's a gun nut. Not saying its bad, as I own
    serveral myself, but I haven't even considered getting a carry/conceled license, well, he's got one and damn if he doesn't carry something with him everywhere he goes. I'd think it would get in the way, as I
    remember how cumbersome they were when I was carrying them for work
    every day.

    Interesting, I don't own a gun myself but there was a time when I drove over the road and had to go to some pretty nasty places on the east coast and yes, at that time I had a piece with me allways even though it was against the law in New York and several other places. When you deliver freight and have to collect for both the product and the freight charges on the other end and get out alive, it was a necessity. :)


    Interesting and something I didn't know. :) I've never run a
    dedicated linux machine though I always thought it would be nice to try
    it sometime. I do have the
    DVD version of Knopix linux here though and have run it on occasion.

    I started back in the real early days... Couldn't operate without it
    now. This system is so stable, I can't remember the last time I had to
    do anything to it. It just keeps on running.

    Yeah, that's one of the very nice features about it from what I've heard but there are just too many programs that I like and run that it would be really different to switch over here for me. :(

    cool, I just got this new dell dual core pc about a month and a half
    ago and I'm
    running vista home deluxe or whatever it is, just a step above home ,
    but it seems
    to be pretty solid.

    I've had the pleasure of setting quite a few of those up the last few weeks. <reason for long space between postings>. Think they are the
    nice, but I still think my 3.8ghz runs faster. :)


    hehehehe, it probably does though it certainly was a step up from an 1 ghz AMD Duron , which is now my wife's machine. :) For playing solitaire, it works well for her <g>

    I have to be diverse... my clients are diverse also: from banks still running OS/2 and AIX Unix, Corporate entities running AIX Unix, Linux, BSD, and every flavor of Windows from 95 to Vista. Even have one old Realestate guy still running DOS.

    Wow, it's been a long time since I ran a DOS box, I wonder what the heck I would do if I were once again confronted with a command prompt. :)

    The one thing I dont' do, is home PC's. Although, I will do the
    business clients home PC's. But Joe Blow off the street... won't touch it.

    I can't blame you there at all. I used to do some things for my sister-in-law when I built them a couple computers over the years but when they went and bought something from someone else, let them fix it. <g>


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  • From General Mdk@VERT/PGG to The Curmudgeon on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 04:22:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: The Curmudgeon to Gandolf on Thu Apr 19 2007 07:50 am

    Gandolf spoke thus to All <=-

    Well.... that's just MY opinion... What's YOURS?

    I know I'm responding to a really old string, but here's my opinion. Guns and ammunition in and of themselves aren't dangerous. The dangerous "variable" in the firearms discussion is the jackass behind the trigger.

    Exactly right, a gun is just a tool when used wrongly can cause injury or death all at the whim of the holder.

    I met a new friend that his uncle was hunting pheasant. He was cleaning the pheasant and laid the gun down in tall weeds. He walked up
    from a distance not knowing the gun was in the weeds. He had his ankle in front of the barrel. About the time he seen that. The dog stepped on the trigger guard and the gun went off. Blowing the lower back half of his
    foot off. He spent three months in the hospital and lost his leg from the knee down after infection set in.
    Can't blame that on the gun. First off I would have opened the
    action up or took the shells out. I would be pretty nervous with a loaded
    gun laying in the weeds and a excited dog running around. When we went raccoon hunting we never put the bullet in the gun till it was time to
    kill it. I have been in the woods on horseback and heard bullets flying through the air hitting the leaves of corn stalks beside me yelling hold
    your fire. They never did.. But it sure
    scared me. The horse didn't seem to notice.




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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to General Mdk on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:03:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: General Mdk to The Curmudgeon on Wed Oct 17 2007 04:22 am

    I met a new friend that his uncle was hunting pheasant. He was cleaning the pheasant and laid the gun down in tall weeds. He walked up from a distance not knowing the gun was in the weeds. He had his ankle in front of the barrel. About the time he seen that. The dog stepped on the trigger guard and the gun went off. Blowing the lower back half of his
    foot off. He spent three months in the hospital and lost his leg from the knee down after infection set in.
    Can't blame that on the gun. First off I would have opened the
    action up or took the shells out. I would be pretty nervous with a loaded

    Walking away from an unsafetied gun and he deserved to be shot. The safety is their for your safety. It's satisfying when an "accident" like this one happens... nobody except the person at fault was hurt, he wasn't killed, and he learnt an important lesson relatively cheaply.

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  • From KC8TEZ@VERT/SCANNER to Deuce on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 16:54:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to General Mdk on Wed Oct 17 2007 10:03 am

    I met a new friend that his uncle was hunting pheasant. He was cleaning the pheasant and laid the gun down in tall weeds. He walked up from a distance not knowing the gun was in the weeds. He had his ankle in front of the barrel. About the time he seen that. The dog stepped
    on the trigger guard and the gun went off. Blowing the lower back half of his foot off. He spent three months in the hospital and lost his leg from the knee down after infection set in.
    Can't blame that on the gun. First off I would have opened the action
    up or took the shells out. I would be pretty nervous with a loaded Walking away from an unsafetied gun and he deserved to be shot. The safety is their for your safety. It's satisfying when an "accident" like this one happens... nobody except the person at fault was hurt, he wasn't killed,
    and he learnt an important lesson relatively cheaply.

    I believe you misread the original message. (To help with confusion I've created names to identify the parties)... Jim Bob shot a phesant. While cleaning the phesant Jim Bob laid the gun down in tall weeds. Billy Jo walked over from a distance, not knowing that the gun was in the weeds. He, Billy Jo, stopped walking at the exact spot where the gun was next to his ankle. Fido the dog then stepped on the gun causing it to fire and blow off the back of Billy Jo's ankle.

    At least that's how I read the story. Technically, Jim Bob is at fault for not unloading his gun before setting it on the ground. Safety or not that gun should have been unloaded. Rule #1 of gun safety is never leave a loaded gun unattended. NEVER!!! It's right up there with never point a gun (loaded or not) at anyone and never put the gun and ammo together (so that a kid could load the gun and shoot it. That happened to my dad's friend when they were little. The kid killed his sibling.).

    If I read the story wrong, let me know...

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  • From Angus McLeod@VERT/ANJO to Deuce on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 20:43:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to General Mdk on Wed Oct 17 2007 10:03:00

    Walking away from an unsafetied gun and he deserved to be shot. The safety their for your safety. It's satisfying when an "accident" like this one happens... nobody except the person at fault was hurt, he wasn't killed, and learnt an important lesson relatively cheaply.

    I think it's fair to say that the man in question was entirely responsible
    for his own injury. But it seems to be going a little far to say that he *deserved* to be shot or that his injury was *satisfying* to me. He
    indeed may have learned an important lesson on firearms safety, but the
    price of a lost limb isn't cheap.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to KC8TEZ on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 17:46:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: KC8TEZ to Deuce on Wed Oct 17 2007 04:54 pm

    Walking away from an unsafetied gun and he deserved to be shot. The
    safety is their for your safety. It's satisfying when an "accident"
    like this one happens... nobody except the person at fault was hurt, he
    wasn't killed, and he learnt an important lesson relatively cheaply.

    I believe you misread the original message. (To help with confusion I've created names to identify the parties)... Jim Bob shot a phesant. While cleaning the phesant Jim Bob laid the gun down in tall weeds. Billy Jo walked over from a distance, not knowing that the gun was in the weeds.
    He, Billy Jo, stopped walking at the exact spot where the gun was next to his ankle. Fido the dog then stepped on the gun causing it to fire and
    blow off the back of Billy Jo's ankle.

    At least that's how I read the story. Technically, Jim Bob is at fault for

    Ah, misuse of the word "He". The story starts off "I met a new friend that his uncle was hunting pheasant." from that point on, the only person referred to is "He"

    "I met a new friend that his uncle was hunting pheasant. He was cleaning the pheasant... He walked up from a distance... He had his ankle in front of the barrel... About the time he seen that... Blowing the lower back half of his foot off... He spent three months in the hospital and lost his leg from the knee down"

    So, the only person in the story is the friends uncle.

    gun should have been unloaded. Rule #1 of gun safety is never leave a loaded gun unattended. NEVER!!! It's right up there with never point a

    That's rule #3. Rule #1 is always keep it pointed in a safe direction. :-)

    Rule #2 is noting in the trigger guard until you're ready to shoot.

    However, I must admit that there have been many times that I have walked away from a loaded weapon either when I was alone, or when I trusted everyone present. I have never walked away from an unsaftied gun though. Come to think of it, I would never lay a gun in the dirt regardless of it being loaded, safetied, belonging to my enemy, etc.

    Laying a shotgun down on its side in tall weeds so it can't be seen? I mean really... I'm having problems buying this. Reloading the shotgun after getting the pheasant? This whole story reeks of stupidity on every level... the more I think about it, the less I believe it.

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  • From Angus McLeod@VERT/ANJO to Deuce on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 21:14:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to KC8TEZ on Wed Oct 17 2007 17:46:00

    However, I must admit that there have been many times that I have walked awa from a loaded weapon either when I was alone, or when I trusted everyone present.

    Ditto. I never unloaded my Dan Wesson, as a rule. I did ask a certain
    female to hold it for me one night, when the guys decided to play a late- night game of billiards, after the club was closed and only our group
    remained inside. But I dropped the cartridges out of it before putting it
    in her handbag.

    I have never walked away from an unsaftied gun though.

    I never saftied the Dan Wesson, because it had no operable safety.

    Come to think of it, I would never lay a gun in the dirt regardless of
    it being loaded, safetied, belonging to my enemy, etc.

    Yes, well that is a stupid thing to do. Placing a firearm on the grass is *asking* for some stick, stalk of grass, etc, to enter the trigger-guard. Just walking through the bush with the weapon in a ready-to-fire condition
    is dangerous enough. You never know when some tree branch will 'reach out
    and grab' that trigger...

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  • From KC8TEZ@VERT/SCANNER to Deuce on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 23:05:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to KC8TEZ on Wed Oct 17 2007 05:46 pm

    I believe you misread the original message. (To help with confusion
    I've created names to identify the parties)... Jim Bob shot a phesant. While cleaning the phesant Jim Bob laid the gun down in tall weeds.
    Billy Jo walked over from a distance, not knowing that the gun was in
    the weeds. He, Billy Jo, stopped walking at the exact spot where the gun was next to his ankle. Fido the dog then stepped on the gun causing it to fire and blow off the back of Billy Jo's ankle.
    At least that's how I read the story. Technically, Jim Bob is at fault
    Ah, misuse of the word "He". The story starts off "I met a new friend that his uncle was hunting pheasant." from that point on, the only person referred to is "He"
    "I met a new friend that his uncle was hunting pheasant. He was cleaning the pheasant... He walked up from a distance... He had his ankle in front
    of the barrel... About the time he seen that... Blowing the lower back half of his foot off... He spent three months in the hospital and lost his leg from the knee down"

    Actually the reason I came to the conclusion that there were two people was because the first guy puts the gun down and the second guy comes up from a distance not knowing the gun is there. If the first guy put the gun down and walked away you'd think he'd remember where he put the gun in the first place... That's why I think there were 2 guys.

    gun should have been unloaded. Rule #1 of gun safety is never leave a loaded gun unattended. NEVER!!! It's right up there with never point a
    That's rule #3. Rule #1 is always keep it pointed in a safe direction.
    :-)
    Rule #2 is noting in the trigger guard until you're ready to shoot.
    However, I must admit that there have been many times that I have walked away from a loaded weapon either when I was alone, or when I trusted everyone present. I have never walked away from an unsaftied gun though. Come to think of it, I would never lay a gun in the dirt regardless of it being loaded, safetied, belonging to my enemy, etc.
    Laying a shotgun down on its side in tall weeds so it can't be seen? I
    mean really... I'm having problems buying this. Reloading the shotgun
    after getting the pheasant? This whole story reeks of stupidity on every level... the more I think about it, the less I believe it.

    You're right, the story is pretty unbelieveable.... It really is lacking in identifiable (read: able to verify) facts.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Angus McLeod on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 20:36:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Angus McLeod to Deuce on Wed Oct 17 2007 08:43 pm

    Walking away from an unsafetied gun and he deserved to be shot. The safety their for your safety. It's satisfying when an "accident" like this one happens... nobody except the person at fault was hurt, he
    wasn't killed, and learnt an important lesson relatively cheaply.

    I think it's fair to say that the man in question was entirely responsible for his own injury. But it seems to be going a little far to say that he *deserved* to be shot or that his injury was *satisfying* to me. He
    indeed may have learned an important lesson on firearms safety, but the price of a lost limb isn't cheap.

    Better him than his son/spouse/neighbour/friend. Half a leg is WAY cheaper than someone else's life. When you're playing with things designed to kill other things, stupidity is not excusable.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Angus McLeod on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 20:45:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Angus McLeod to Deuce on Wed Oct 17 2007 09:14 pm

    I have never walked away from an unsaftied gun though.

    I never saftied the Dan Wesson, because it had no operable safety.

    Have you ever left it in firing condition with open access and walked away?
    If so, did you completely trust everyone there?

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  • From Angus McLeod@VERT/ANJO to Deuce on Thursday, October 18, 2007 01:16:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to Angus McLeod on Wed Oct 17 2007 20:45:00

    I never saftied the Dan Wesson, because it had no operable safety.

    Have you ever left it in firing condition with open access and walked away?

    When it was loaded, it was never more than a trigger-pull from discharge.

    If so, did you completely trust everyone there?

    On the odd occasion that I left it "unsupervised" you can be sure that I
    was either 100% confident that it would not be touched by anyone who was
    in a position to handle it.

    *Or*, I dropped the shells from the cylinder and placed them in my pocket. But I only recall one occasion when this happened. I left it in the care
    of a woman I did not know well, and asked her to place it in her handbag,
    out of site. That girl was sitting with another who I knew well and
    trusted totally, but my friend had no handbag. You might say I left the pistol in the safekeeping of someone I didn't know well, but left HER in
    the care of someone I *did* know well. And in any event, as I said, I had
    the shells in my pocket.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to KC8TEZ on Thursday, October 18, 2007 22:27:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: KC8TEZ to Deuce on Wed Oct 17 2007 11:05 pm

    Actually the reason I came to the conclusion that there were two people was because the first guy puts the gun down and the second guy comes up from a distance not knowing the gun is there. If the first guy put the gun down

    Ah, I followed the "tall weeds" bit and assumed that he was having problems finding it.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Angus McLeod on Thursday, October 18, 2007 22:33:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Angus McLeod to Deuce on Thu Oct 18 2007 01:16 am

    Have you ever left it in firing condition with open access and walked away?

    When it was loaded, it was never more than a trigger-pull from discharge.

    I absolutely understand that bit.

    If so, did you completely trust everyone there?

    On the odd occasion that I left it "unsupervised" you can be sure that I
    was either 100% confident that it would not be touched by anyone who was
    in a position to handle it.

    Yeah... the "or" bit of course wasn't in firing condition. I don't believe I would ever own a gun without a working safety, so I can't really put myself in that position mentally.

    Putting myself in the position of someone else at the table, I'm not sure if I would leave, unload the gun (possibly returning the loads later, possibly not), or just keep an eagle eye on it and resolve to never go drinking with you again.

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  • From Angus McLeod@VERT/ANJO to Deuce on Friday, October 19, 2007 10:46:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to Angus McLeod on Thu Oct 18 2007 22:33:00

    I don't believe I would ever own a gun without a working safety, so I
    can't really put myself in that position mentally.

    Revolvers do not usually have safeties. In fact, I'd go so far as to say
    that they VERY rarely do. I'm sure there are some examples of wheel-guns
    with safeties, but I've never seen one.

    Putting myself in the position of someone else at the table, I'm not
    sure if I would leave, unload the gun (possibly returning the loads
    later, possibly not), or just keep an eagle eye on it and resolve to
    never go drinking with you again.

    Uh... I don't quite understand. What is it you are taking objection to?

    You're not going to go drinking with me because I have a revolver tucked
    into the back of my jeans? Well, my billiards partner had a TZ-75 tucked
    into his, so...



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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Angus McLeod on Friday, October 19, 2007 10:05:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Angus McLeod to Deuce on Fri Oct 19 2007 10:46 am

    I don't believe I would ever own a gun without a working safety, so I can't really put myself in that position mentally.

    Revolvers do not usually have safeties. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they VERY rarely do. I'm sure there are some examples of wheel-guns with safeties, but I've never seen one.

    Hrm? All single-action revolvers have a safety position.

    As for double-actions, the pull is often heavy enough to prevent accidental discharge.

    Putting myself in the position of someone else at the table, I'm not
    sure if I would leave, unload the gun (possibly returning the loads later, possibly not), or just keep an eagle eye on it and resolve to never go drinking with you again.

    Uh... I don't quite understand. What is it you are taking objection to?

    You walking away from a loaded gun.

    You're not going to go drinking with me because I have a revolver tucked into the back of my jeans? Well, my billiards partner had a TZ-75 tucked into his, so...

    No, the problem is you walking away from it in firing condition (which is what we were talking about) As long as it's in your holster, tucked in your jeans, or whatever, I'm fine. But if you pull it out, set it on the sideboard and go to take a dump, I may resolve to no go drinking with you again. Or I may unload it and pocket the rounds... it's hard for me to figure out exactly what I'd do. I'm generally loathe to pick up someone elses gun.

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  • From Angus McLeod@VERT/ANJO to Deuce on Friday, October 19, 2007 14:34:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to Angus McLeod on Fri Oct 19 2007 10:05:00

    Revolvers do not usually have safeties. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they VERY rarely do. I'm sure there are some examples of wheel-guns with safeties, but I've never seen one.

    Hrm? All single-action revolvers have a safety position.

    As for double-actions, the pull is often heavy enough to prevent accidental discharge.

    First, let me clear something up. I said the Dan Wesson had no "operable safety" by which I did NOT mean it had no safety features. I meant it had
    no "safety catch" that you could operate or actuate. The Dan Wesson's
    primary safety features (inertial hammer, transfer bar, etc) were *always* operating, and could not be disengaged, short of breaking the firearm.
    Most revolvers have no "safety catch", and my experience with Colts,
    Smiths, Dan Wessons, Taurus, Webleys, and all other revolvers that I have
    ever seen/handled. I have never seen any revolver with a "safety catch"
    that you could choose to switch on/off at will. Certainly, neither my Dan Wesson, nor my Weihrauch were fitted with any. Excluding obscure designs,
    if anyone cares to name a revolver that is equipped with a "safety catch"
    then I would be interested to hear which make/model that is.

    As for single action revolvers having a "safety position", I assume you
    mean with the hammer down. Nothing else exists on any single action
    revolver that *I* am aware of that could remotely be called a "safety position". Certainly, half-cock (AKA Dead-Man's Safety) is in *NO*WAY* a means to make it safe. If you are in the habit of leaving a SA revolver
    at half-cock, let me bid you adieu right now, and ask you to pass on my condolences to the wyf, before you go!

    DA revolvers are no more -- or less -- safe with the hammer down, than
    their SA counterparts. The ONLY reasonable quiescent condition for a
    revolver is with the hammer DOWN. You cock a revolver when you are about
    to fire it. There is no other excuse. We once had a guy come visit our
    range with an old Harrington & Richards wheelgun COCKED and tucked into
    the front of his pants. (That model H&R didn't even have a half-cock
    notch to *maybe* save his bollocks!) We were able to save his life, and

    No, the dangerous habit of 'cocked and locked' carry, is an Americanism
    that is a result of (IMO) the decades-long American love-affaire with the
    1911 "Ole Ugly" Colt. Not only is it unwise to trust to a minute
    mechanical device to ensure your personal safety, but it also breeds the
    wrong attitude for a firearm owner. The concept that a firearm can be
    "made safe" by pressing a little button, causes many people to become lax
    in their general gun-handling. Firearms are ALWAYS dangerous, so you had better treat them so. At ALL times.

    Uh... I don't quite understand. What is it you are taking objection to?

    You walking away from a loaded gun.

    When? I told you that the only time I did that was when I was 100%
    certain of the people I was with, such as at the home of a fellow gun-club member, or similar. The circumstance I describes, I asked a girl to hold
    the firearm (in holster), but I dropped the cartridges and took them away
    in my pocket.

    You're not going to go drinking with me because I have a revolver tucked into the back of my jeans? Well, my billiards partner had a TZ-75 tucked into his, so...

    No, the problem is you walking away from it in firing condition (which is wh we were talking about)

    That is exactly what I did NOT do.

    As long as it's in your holster, tucked in your jean or whatever, I'm
    fine. But if you pull it out, set it on the sideboard and go to take a dump, I may resolve to no go drinking with you again.

    First, surely NOBODY would leave a firearm on the sideboard in a public
    place? In a private residence, it depends upon the people whose house you
    are in. If you know them to be sensible and trustworthy, then the
    expected place to rest your pistol (around HERE, anyway) is on top of the refrigerator. Personally, I've NEVER liked that habit, and always keep it
    on me or hand it over into the keeping of someone I feel confident I can trust.

    Or I may unload it and pocket the rounds... it's hard for me to figure
    out exactly what I'd do.

    In this neck of the woods, I'd recommend NOT touching a firearm without
    being invited to do so.

    I'm generally loathe to pick up someone elses gun.

    Glad to hear it.

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  • From Jas Hud@VERT/DSTREAM to General Mdk on Friday, October 19, 2007 17:27:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: General Mdk to The Curmudgeon on Wed Oct 17 2007 04:22 am

    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: The Curmudgeon to Gandolf on Thu Apr 19 2007 07:50 am
    from a distance not knowing the gun was in the weeds. He had his ankle in front of the barrel. About the time he seen that. The dog stepped on the trigger guard and the gun went off. Blowing the lower back half of his
    foot off. He spent three months in the hospital and lost his leg from the



    on a more comical note, i remember reading about a guy that was target practicing in his back yard with a handgun.

    he put the gun down and then went to fetch the targets.
    his dog picked up the handle of the gun in his mouth and ended up shooting
    the owner in the ass.
    i'm sure you can find it on google.

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  • From W8ZZU@VERT/SCANNER to Deuce on Friday, October 19, 2007 19:21:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to Angus McLeod on Fri Oct 19 2007 10:05 am

    sideboard and go to take a dump, I may resolve to no go drinking with you again. Or I may unload it and pocket the rounds... it's hard for me to figure out exactly what I'd do. I'm generally loathe to pick up someone elses gun.

    He already said that it was unloaded and the rounds were pocketed.


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  • From W8ZZU@VERT/SCANNER to Jas Hud on Friday, October 19, 2007 20:02:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Jas Hud to General Mdk on Fri Oct 19 2007 05:27 pm

    on a more comical note, i remember reading about a guy that was target practicing in his back yard with a handgun.

    he put the gun down and then went to fetch the targets.
    his dog picked up the handle of the gun in his mouth and ended up shooting the owner in the ass.
    i'm sure you can find it on google.

    How about when I was on the Fire Dept. A guy was practicing shooting his bow 'n arrow in a trailer park and shot his own daughter (5 years old) through the eye with a broadhead. She lived.


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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Angus McLeod on Friday, October 19, 2007 18:51:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Angus McLeod to Deuce on Fri Oct 19 2007 02:34 pm

    Hrm? All single-action revolvers have a safety position.

    As for double-actions, the pull is often heavy enough to prevent accidental discharge.

    As for single action revolvers having a "safety position", I assume you
    mean with the hammer down. Nothing else exists on any single action revolver that *I* am aware of that could remotely be called a "safety position". Certainly, half-cock (AKA Dead-Man's Safety) is in *NO*WAY* a means to make it safe. If you are in the habit of leaving a SA revolver
    at half-cock, let me bid you adieu right now, and ask you to pass on my condolences to the wyf, before you go!

    Precisely.

    DA revolvers are no more -- or less -- safe with the hammer down, than
    their SA counterparts. The ONLY reasonable quiescent condition for a

    A DA revolver *will* fire if you pull the trigger with the hammer down. A SA will *not*. An SA with the hammer down is thus "more safe" than a DA.

    Uh... I don't quite understand. What is it you are taking objection to?

    You walking away from a loaded gun.

    When? I told you that the only time I did that was when I was 100%
    certain of the people I was with, such as at the home of a fellow gun-club member, or similar. The circumstance I describes, I asked a girl to hold the firearm (in holster), but I dropped the cartridges and took them away
    in my pocket.

    I'm pretty sure my original question was "Have you ever walked away from a gun in firing condition?"

    First, surely NOBODY would leave a firearm on the sideboard in a public place? In a private residence, it depends upon the people whose house you

    You have more confidence in humanity than I do.

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  • From Angus McLeod@VERT/ANJO to Deuce on Saturday, October 20, 2007 00:26:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Deuce to Angus McLeod on Fri Oct 19 2007 18:51:00

    A DA revolver *will* fire if you pull the trigger with the hammer down. A S will *not*. An SA with the hammer down is thus "more safe" than a DA.

    Well, OK, I'll grant you that, but to pull the trigger of a DA revolver
    pretty much indicates you deliberately want to fire it. I don't think any sort of handling accident will pull the hammer back to full-cock on a DA revolver any easier than a SA revolver.

    When? I told you that the only time I did that was when I was 100% certain of the people I was with, such as at the home of a fellow gun-clu member, or similar. The circumstance I describes, I asked a girl to hold the firearm (in holster), but I dropped the cartridges and took them away in my pocket.

    I'm pretty sure my original question was "Have you ever walked away from a g in firing condition?"

    And my answer was, in essence, "Yes, but only when I am 100% confident of
    the environment and the people in it."

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  • From Sulphuric Ash@VERT/TWVBBS to W8ZZU on Saturday, October 20, 2007 02:00:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: W8ZZU to Jas Hud on Fri Oct 19 2007 08:02 pm

    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: Jas Hud to General Mdk on Fri Oct 19 2007 05:27 pm

    on a more comical note, i remember reading about a guy that was target practicing in his back yard with a handgun.

    he put the gun down and then went to fetch the targets.
    his dog picked up the handle of the gun in his mouth and ended up shootin the owner in the ass.
    i'm sure you can find it on google.

    How about when I was on the Fire Dept. A guy was practicing shooting his bow arrow in a trailer park and shot his own daughter (5 years old) through the with a broadhead. She lived.


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    Wow that's scary and the worst calls are kids at least it is for me I have
    been in the fire dept now 2 1/2 yrs but we do more fire/accidents then ems assists

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  • From KC8TEZ@VERT/SCANNER to W8ZZU on Thursday, October 25, 2007 17:31:00
    Re: Re: K-Mart policy
    By: W8ZZU to Jas Hud on Fri Oct 19 2007 08:02 pm

    How about when I was on the Fire Dept. A guy was practicing shooting his
    bow 'n arrow in a trailer park and shot his own daughter (5 years old) through the eye with a broadhead. She lived.

    I remember that run. I was so infuritated by the carelessness of that idiot that I just wanted to go over there and ream him out. I just could NOT comprehend how STUPID this person must have had to been to do something like that.

    To begin with...target practicing BETWEEN trailers!!!

    Ugh, don't get me started...

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