Hey, just curious..... If you could cary ANY small-arm (assault rifle, or
the like) into battle, what would you carry?

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Hey, just curious..... If you could cary ANY small-arm (assault rifle,
or the like) into battle, what would you carry?

How small? ;)


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Hey, just curious..... If you could cary ANY small-arm (assault rifle,
or the like) into battle, what would you carry?

Truthfully it depended on the situation. A 9mm handgun for some, a
shotgun <auto or semi> for some, a M-16 for another, an AK47 for
another... Do you want stopping power, dropping power, or knockdown the
door power? Personally, I'd rather be up in a nice tall building with a
really long range rifle. :) Just call me "God". :)

Don't take this reference literaly... remember the movie "Sniper". The
one with the sniper guy with the .50 cal rifle with the thermal, xray
etc scope! :) Yea, right.




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Hey, just curious..... If you could cary ANY small-arm (assault rifle,
or the like) into battle, what would you carry?

How small? ;)

As he said small arms, I take that to mean anything from the 50 cal
sniper rifle down to a .38 and smaller, if you so wish. This includes
the Grenade launchers and such. Probably the most versitle weaspon out
there the M-16 with the 203 Grenade launcher. Accurate, lightweight,
good stopping power, and a real nasty punch.



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Re: Just curious about opinio
By: Sniper to Wulf on Thu Aug 26 2004 00:35:00

Personally, I'd rather be up in a nice tall building with a really long range rifle. :)

Me too. And actually, something really lightweight would do a lot of the time, so long as it had a fairly good scope on it. .22LR or .22MAG will reach out and touch you!

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As he said small arms, I take that to mean anything from the 50 cal
sniper rifle down to a .38 and smaller, if you so wish. This includes
the Grenade launchers and such. Probably the most versitle weaspon out there the M-16 with the 203 Grenade launcher. Accurate, lightweight,
good stopping power, and a real nasty punch.

Hmm do you mind me asking your opinion on the rifle-mounted grenades? I'm talking about the ones that are shoved on to the barrel and shot off with either a blank or are (nowadays) built to withstand a normal round.

I ask because I was persuaded by this site that they're a good thing: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/riflehandgrenades.htm


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As he said small arms, I take that to mean anything from the 50 cal
sniper rifle down to a .38 and smaller, if you so wish. This includes
the Grenade launchers and such. Probably the most versitle weaspon out there the M-16 with the 203 Grenade launcher. Accurate, lightweight,
good stopping power, and a real nasty punch.

Hmm do you mind me asking your opinion on the rifle-mounted grenades?
I'm talking about the ones that are shoved on to the barrel and shot
off with either a blank or are (nowadays) built to withstand a normal round.

I ask because I was persuaded by this site that they're a good thing: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/riflehandgrenades.htm

Without jumping to a GUI to check it out, my first consideration is that
you have to stop, load it, then you have to shoot your "Grenade", and if
your target becomes inaccesable, you are stuck with this grenade
sticking out of your weapon, and now you have to remove it to engage a
close target. In my opinion, it would be rather time consuming. In
combat, I think the M-16 with the 203 grenade launcher is a better
weapon overall.





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Without jumping to a GUI to check it out, my first consideration is
that you have to stop, load it, then you have to shoot your "Grenade",
and if your target becomes inaccesable, you are stuck with this grenade sticking out of your weapon, and now you have to remove it to engage a close target. In my opinion, it would be rather time consuming. In combat, I think the M-16 with the 203 grenade launcher is a better
weapon overall.

One new feature I've read about with these grenades is a regular bullet can
be used to send them off. I think that is a tremendous time saving over
having to load the blank round.

OTOH I don't think rifle grenades are really what we need right now. Way
back when, I looked at that as giving the average rifleman something like
a weak LAW round, which would serve useful against conventional armies. However, the risk of collateral damage when engaging terrorists in close quarter combat means there are probably better things to put on a soldier's back...

Part of the bias in my own mind is my possible misconception on the 203's range. I got the impression a rifle grenade had more range, but even then
that can be a problem. From what I'm reading, it's maximum effective range
is 350 meters, which is getting outside the range of identifying and
engaging targets . . .

. . . just let me argue with myself. =p


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Without jumping to a GUI to check it out, my first consideration is
that you have to stop, load it, then you have to shoot your "Grenade",
and if your target becomes inaccesable, you are stuck with this grenade sticking out of your weapon, and now you have to remove it to engage a close target. In my opinion, it would be rather time consuming. In combat, I think the M-16 with the 203 grenade launcher is a better
weapon overall.

One new feature I've read about with these grenades is a regular bullet can be used to send them off. I think that is a tremendous time saving over having to load the blank round.

OTOH I don't think rifle grenades are really what we need right now.
Way back when, I looked at that as giving the average rifleman
something like a weak LAW round, which would serve useful against conventional armies. However, the risk of collateral damage when
engaging terrorists in close quarter combat means there are probably better things to put on a soldier's back...

Part of the bias in my own mind is my possible misconception on the
203's range. I got the impression a rifle grenade had more range, but even then that can be a problem. From what I'm reading, it's maximum effective range is 350 meters, which is getting outside the range of identifying and engaging targets . . .

. . . just let me argue with myself. =p

Isn't the 203mm's range 400 meters?

But no, you just go on arguing with yourself... its quite entertaining
to the rest of us. :)

Just let us know which side wins! :)



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Isn't the 203mm's range 400 meters?

I don't have any strong first-hand knowledge, so I'm forced to play
"source wars." I cite something claiming one thing and somebody else can
easily cite something else.

http://www.armystudyguide.com/m203/studyguide.htm

Claims 350m. There's an ad for Halo 2 on the sidebar, which made me think
it was a gaming site. Maybe it is, but my thoughts of it being an America's Army fan site or something seem incorrect if it's been around since 1999.

But no, you just go on arguing with yourself... its quite entertaining
to the rest of us. :)

Just let us know which side wins! :)

If a side ever won in this game, I wouldn't be constantly going back and
forth =p


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Isn't the 203mm's range 400 meters?

I don't have any strong first-hand knowledge, so I'm forced to play "source wars." I cite something claiming one thing and somebody else
can easily cite something else.

http://www.armystudyguide.com/m203/studyguide.htm

Claims 350m. There's an ad for Halo 2 on the sidebar, which made me
think it was a gaming site. Maybe it is, but my thoughts of it being
an America's Army fan site or something seem incorrect if it's been
around since 1999.

Ok, check this site:
http://www.navyseals.com/community/navyseals/weapons_m203.cfm

Which claims the effective range is 440 yards... Probably where I got
my 400 something from. Maybe it was yards, and your talking Meters. :)

But no, you just go on arguing with yourself... its quite entertaining
to the rest of us. :)

Just let us know which side wins! :)

If a side ever won in this game, I wouldn't be constantly going back
and forth =p

And what would be the fun in that. :)



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Ok, check this site:
http://www.navyseals.com/community/navyseals/weapons_m203.cfm

Which claims the effective range is 440 yards... Probably where I got

my 400 something from. Maybe it was yards, and your talking Meters.
:)

400m converts to 440 yards pretty well, but 350 is only about 382, so that wouldn't explain miscalculations for sites claiming 350m. This sucks haha.
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As he said small arms, I take that to mean anything from the 50 cal
sniper rifle down to a .38 and smaller, if you so wish. This includes
the Grenade launchers and such. Probably the most versitle weaspon out there the M-16 with the 203 Grenade launcher. Accurate, lightweight,
good stopping power, and a real nasty punch.

Hmm do you mind me asking your opinion on the rifle-mounted grenades? I'm talking about the ones that are shoved on to the barrel and shot off with either a blank or are (nowadays) built to withstand a normal round.

I ask because I was persuaded by this site that they're a good thing: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/riflehandgrenades.htm


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As he said small arms, I take that to mean anything from the 50 cal
sniper rifle down to a .38 and smaller, if you so wish. This includes
the Grenade launchers and such. Probably the most versitle weaspon out there the M-16 with the 203 Grenade launcher. Accurate, lightweight,
good stopping power, and a real nasty punch.

Hmm do you mind me asking your opinion on the rifle-mounted grenades?
I'm talking about the ones that are shoved on to the barrel and shot
off with either a blank or are (nowadays) built to withstand a normal round.

I ask because I was persuaded by this site that they're a good thing: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/riflehandgrenades.htm

Without jumping to a GUI to check it out, my first consideration is that you have to stop, load it, then you have to shoot your "Grenade", and if your target becomes inaccesable, you are stuck with this grenade sticking out of your weapon, and now you have to remove it to engage a close target. In my opinion, it would be rather time consuming. In combat, I think the M-16 with the 203 grenade launcher is a better weapon overall.





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From: "Rocko" <rocko@VERT>

Without jumping to a GUI to check it out, my first consideration is
that you have to stop, load it, then you have to shoot your "Grenade",
and if your target becomes inaccesable, you are stuck with this grenade sticking out of your weapon, and now you have to remove it to engage a close target. In my opinion, it would be rather time consuming. In combat, I think the M-16 with the 203 grenade launcher is a better
weapon overall.

One new feature I've read about with these grenades is a regular bullet can be used to send them off. I think that is a tremendous time saving over having to load the blank round.

OTOH I don't think rifle grenades are really what we need right now. Way back when, I looked at that as giving the average rifleman something like a weak LAW round, which would serve useful against conventional armies. However, the risk of collateral damage when engaging terrorists in close quarter combat means there are probably better things to put on a soldier's back...

Part of the bias in my own mind is my possible misconception on the 203's range. I got the impression a rifle grenade had more range, but even then that can be a problem. From what I'm reading, it's maximum effective range is 350 meters, which is getting outside the range of identifying and engaging targets . . .

. . . just let me argue with myself. =p


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Without jumping to a GUI to check it out, my first consideration is
that you have to stop, load it, then you have to shoot your "Grenade",
and if your target becomes inaccesable, you are stuck with this grenade sticking out of your weapon, and now you have to remove it to engage a close target. In my opinion, it would be rather time consuming. In combat, I think the M-16 with the 203 grenade launcher is a better
weapon overall.

One new feature I've read about with these grenades is a regular bullet can be used to send them off. I think that is a tremendous time saving over having to load the blank round.

OTOH I don't think rifle grenades are really what we need right now.
Way back when, I looked at that as giving the average rifleman
something like a weak LAW round, which would serve useful against conventional armies. However, the risk of collateral damage when
engaging terrorists in close quarter combat means there are probably better things to put on a soldier's back...

Part of the bias in my own mind is my possible misconception on the
203's range. I got the impression a rifle grenade had more range, but even then that can be a problem. From what I'm reading, it's maximum effective range is 350 meters, which is getting outside the range of identifying and engaging targets . . .

. . . just let me argue with myself. =p

Isn't the 203mm's range 400 meters?

But no, you just go on arguing with yourself... its quite entertaining to the rest of us. :)

Just let us know which side wins! :)



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From: "Rocko" <rocko@VERT>

Isn't the 203mm's range 400 meters?

I don't have any strong first-hand knowledge, so I'm forced to play "source wars." I cite something claiming one thing and somebody else can easily cite something else.

http://www.armystudyguide.com/m203/studyguide.htm

Claims 350m. There's an ad for Halo 2 on the sidebar, which made me think it was a gaming site. Maybe it is, but my thoughts of it being an America's Army fan site or something seem incorrect if it's been around since 1999.

But no, you just go on arguing with yourself... its quite entertaining
to the rest of us. :)

Just let us know which side wins! :)

If a side ever won in this game, I wouldn't be constantly going back and forth =p


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Isn't the 203mm's range 400 meters?

I don't have any strong first-hand knowledge, so I'm forced to play "source wars." I cite something claiming one thing and somebody else
can easily cite something else.

http://www.armystudyguide.com/m203/studyguide.htm

Claims 350m. There's an ad for Halo 2 on the sidebar, which made me
think it was a gaming site. Maybe it is, but my thoughts of it being
an America's Army fan site or something seem incorrect if it's been
around since 1999.

Ok, check this site:
http://www.navyseals.com/community/navyseals/weapons_m203.cfm

Which claims the effective range is 440 yards... Probably where I got
my 400 something from. Maybe it was yards, and your talking Meters. :)

But no, you just go on arguing with yourself... its quite entertaining
to the rest of us. :)

Just let us know which side wins! :)

If a side ever won in this game, I wouldn't be constantly going back
and forth =p

And what would be the fun in that. :)



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From: "Rocko" <rocko@VERT>

Ok, check this site:
http://www.navyseals.com/community/navyseals/weapons_m203.cfm

Which claims the effective range is 440 yards... Probably where I got

my 400 something from. Maybe it was yards, and your talking Meters.
:)

400m converts to 440 yards pretty well, but 350 is only about 382, so that wouldn't explain miscalculations for sites claiming 350m. This sucks haha. ... Christ was INTOLERANT! He asked people to go and sin no more!
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