• Re: military rifles

    From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to Rocko on Saturday, February 28, 2004 21:22:00
    Re: Re: military rifles
    By: Rocko to Angus Mcleod on Sat Feb 28 2004 15:16:00

    Well, whaddya expect? It's all that Borscht that is to blame...

    My Eastern European cookbook has a crazy lentil soup recipe that would probably perform better in an engine than intestines, but I think the German food has the potential for much more stink . . .

    Well with dishes named Sauerworst and Rottenkraut or whatever, it's no surprise!

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  • From Rocko@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Sunday, February 29, 2004 21:54:00
    My Eastern European cookbook has a crazy lentil soup recipe that would probably perform better in an engine than intestines, but I think the German food has the potential for much more stink . . .

    Well with dishes named Sauerworst and Rottenkraut or whatever, it's no surprise!

    And... polka!


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  • From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to Rocko on Monday, March 01, 2004 10:14:00
    Re: Re: military rifles
    By: Rocko to Angus Mcleod on Sun Feb 29 2004 21:54:00

    Well with dishes named Sauerworst and Rottenkraut or whatever, it's no surprise!

    And... polka!

    Polka??? Polka is something to eat??? I thought Polka was a woman's dress made of old hessian bags...

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  • From Rocko@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Monday, March 01, 2004 22:43:00
    Well with dishes named Sauerworst and Rottenkraut or whatever, it's no surprise!

    And... polka!

    Polka??? Polka is something to eat??? I thought Polka was a woman's dress made of old hessian bags...

    I thought we had finished filling our bellies, so I moved on to our ears.


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  • From KC8SZU@VERT/SCANNER to Richardw on Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:48:00
    Re: military rifles
    By: Richardw to KC8SZU on Wed Feb 25 2004 01:30 pm

    anyone else collect military / para-military rifles and subguns?
    I live in PA.

    Nope
    I think you're wrong. I think quite a lot of people collect these types
    of things.

    ;-)

    Well, I was referring to myself..

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  • From Stainless@VERT/RATSNEST to Rocko on Saturday, March 06, 2004 00:14:00

    Yeah um, how did you get the AK's? Curious minds want to know because, um, information wants to be free . . . ;)

    Thats easy goto a arms dealer with a catalog usually your local pawn shop or gun store and buy a post ban modle. I had a AK-47 but I had to pawn it :-(.. Kinda liked that rifle.. Thinking about getting a civilian model of the M-4. Thats a nice rifle too.

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  • From Rocko@VERT to Stainless on Saturday, March 06, 2004 15:31:00
    Thats easy goto a arms dealer with a catalog usually your local pawn
    shop or gun store and buy a post ban modle. I had a AK-47 but I had to pawn it :-(.. Kinda liked that rifle.. Thinking about getting a
    civilian model of the M-4. Thats a nice rifle too.

    Would this arms dealer "show" me how to convert it, and for sake of instruction, demonstrate on a rifle that happens to be my own?


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  • From Stainless@VERT/RATSNEST to Rocko on Saturday, March 06, 2004 19:19:00

    Would this arms dealer "show" me how to convert it, and for sake of instruction, demonstrate on a rifle that happens to be my own?

    You mean make your own rifle pre-ban? Probably not. Who knows..

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  • From Rocko@VERT to Stainless on Sunday, March 07, 2004 13:46:00
    Would this arms dealer "show" me how to convert it, and for sake of instruction, demonstrate on a rifle that happens to be my own?

    You mean make your own rifle pre-ban? Probably not. Who knows..

    Kind sir, I don't know what you are talking about. That's bad, bad, bad . . .

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  • From Asharru@VERT/GAMESRUS to Stainless on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:35:00
    Re: Re: military rifles
    By: Stainless to Rocko on Sat Mar 06 2004 12:14 am

    Also don't underestimate the value of the internet. You just have to find an online dealer and a local dealer with a certian licence, I forget the name now. But is pretty much works like a standard over the counter weapons transaction because the wepon is going to a gun store, not you. Then you are just back tot he basics, background checks etc


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  • From Stainless@VERT/RATSNEST to Rocko on Thursday, March 11, 2004 09:34:00

    You mean make your own rifle pre-ban? Probably not. Who knows..

    Kind sir, I don't know what you are talking about. That's bad, bad, bad . .

    Pre-Ban is folding stock, 30 round magazines, Bayonettes. etc There have been a lot of regulations put on Assault rifles. Pretty soon we will not have rifles, guns or assault weapons and only the criminals will have them.. What
    a sobering thought.

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  • From Rocko@VERT to Stainless on Thursday, March 11, 2004 22:04:00
    Pre-Ban is folding stock, 30 round magazines, Bayonettes. etc There
    have been a lot of regulations put on Assault rifles. Pretty soon we
    will not have rifles, guns or assault weapons and only the criminals
    will have them.. What a sobering thought.

    Ohhhhh boy here it goes again.

    I'm going to tip it the other way here and erect my straw man. I recently pondered the idea presented by some that we should all be packing. If this were true, I am thoroughly convinced I would be dead right now. Maybe it's a "chicken before the egg debate," but with the way people act now, I have to agree that making owning a gun a little fussy is worthwhile.


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  • From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to Rocko on Friday, March 12, 2004 09:03:00
    Re: Re: military rifles
    By: Rocko to Stainless on Thu Mar 11 2004 22:04:00

    Maybe it's a "chicken before the egg debate," but with the way people act now, I have to agree that making owning a gun a little fussy is worthwhile.

    Perhaps, but does "a little fussy" really mean "virtually impossible?"

    It's virtually impossible to obtain a firearms permit here. It can take over a year and that is if you are not refused out of hand. Yet criminals can obtain a firearm overnight. This forces honest businessmen (perhaps someone who carried cash to the bank after hours?) to obtain an unlicensed firearm for their own self defense. This makes him a criminal too...

    BTW, in this country, if you call the police and tell them there's a prowler in your back yard, you can affect their response time very easily. Say "There's a prowler in my back yard!" and they'll get there within an hour or so. Add "And I think he's got a gun!" and they will get there at one o'clock in the afternoon, three days hence! If you call the Chief Justice or something they will come along, but they will cover the last mile to your house at walking pace with the siren going full blast. When they get to your gate, fire a shot into the garden bed or set off a fire-cracker. Then watch them burn rubber to get oudda there as fast as they can!

    I support the citizens rights to own firearms for defense and sport. I don't necessarily think that you should be able to get them for box-tops. But I don't think that the process of obtaining a firearm should be made torturously long and/or impossibly difficult.

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  • From Richardw@VERT to Rocko on Friday, March 12, 2004 09:10:55
    Re: Re: military rifles
    By: Rocko to Stainless on Thu Mar 11 2004 10:04 pm

    Pre-Ban is folding stock, 30 round magazines, Bayonettes. etc There have been a lot of regulations put on Assault rifles. Pretty soon we will not have rifles, guns or assault weapons and only the criminals will have them.. What a sobering thought.

    Ohhhhh boy here it goes again.

    I'm going to tip it the other way here and erect my straw man. I recently pondered the idea presented by some that we should all be packing. If this were true, I am thoroughly convinced I would be dead right now. Maybe it's

    So... you're slow on the draw eh?

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  • From Rocko@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Friday, March 12, 2004 16:08:00
    Perhaps, but does "a little fussy" really mean "virtually impossible?"

    I dunno how regulations vary from area to area. As for where I'm living right now, if anybody needs a weapon, it's a Carl Gustav launcher to take out the drunk driver speeding towards you in your lane. I suppose we got it easy in that booze is the worse it ever gets.

    It's virtually impossible to obtain a firearms permit here. It can
    take over a year and that is if you are not refused out of hand. Yet criminals can obtain a firearm overnight. This forces honest
    businessmen (perhaps someone who carried cash to the bank after hours?)
    to obtain an unlicensed firearm for their own self defense. This makes him a criminal too...

    Ah heck, like I know what it's like in your own country. You're responding
    to my straw man about letting everybody run around with guns with another straw man where every criminal has one. As such, this is all pretty awkward.

    BTW, in this country, if you call the police and tell them there's a prowler in your back yard, you can affect their response time very
    easily. Say "There's a prowler in my back yard!" and they'll get there within an hour or so. Add "And I think he's got a gun!" and they will
    get there at one o'clock in the afternoon, three days hence! If you

    In America, mentioning that a police officer has been killed is sure to get
    a rise. Of course, if it turns out untrue . . .

    I support the citizens rights to own firearms for defense and sport. I don't necessarily think that you should be able to get them for
    box-tops. But I don't think that the process of obtaining a firearm should be made torturously long and/or impossibly difficult.

    Yeah, survival defense, for sure. I'm worried about the people that think defense includes pride or some such crap. Ever hear anybody argue that road rage wouldn't be a problem if every motorist was packing?

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  • From Rocko@VERT to Richardw on Friday, March 12, 2004 16:09:00
    I'm going to tip it the other way here and erect my straw man. I recently pondered the idea presented by some that we should all be packing. If this were true, I am thoroughly convinced I would be dead right now. Maybe it's

    So... you're slow on the draw eh?

    Yeah I guess so. I could imagine somebody in this dumbass town deciding I don't fit in to well and removing me just like that.

    Some martial artists argue they can sense when a person has threatening intentions to them. However, I don't think it works when the attacker is just stupid.


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  • From Angus Mcleod@VERT/ANJO to Rocko on Friday, March 12, 2004 20:26:00
    Re: Re: military rifles
    By: Rocko to Angus Mcleod on Fri Mar 12 2004 16:08:00

    Yeah, survival defense, for sure. I'm worried about the people that think defense includes pride or some such crap. Ever hear anybody argue that road rage wouldn't be a problem if every motorist was packing?

    Ah, well, I think special rules should apply to motorists. You should have your choice of THREE mortar rounds or THREE bazooka rounds, but not both. You can use them as you see fit, but you can't replennish until you reach the end of your journey.

    Of course, there are plenty of times when three bazooka rounds won't seem like enough, but I think we have to draw the line somewhere, and I think three is sufficient. CERTAINLY in a country where the longest distance you can travel in a straight line without falling in the sea is 34 kilometers...


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  • From STEVE HELFERICH@VERT/LIGHTBBS to ANGUS MCLEOD on Friday, March 12, 2004 08:07:00
    Perhaps, but does "a little fussy" really mean "virtually impossible?"
    It's virtually impossible to obtain a firearms permit here. It can take over a
    year and that is if you are not refused out of hand. Yet criminals can obtain
    a firearm overnight. This forces honest businessmen (perhaps someone who carried cash to the bank after hours?) to obtain an unlicensed firearm for their own self defense. This makes him a criminal too...

    Where do you guys live?? I live in Utah and I can go down to the gun
    store and walk out the door with a new gun in half an hour. I even have
    a concealed carry permit which allows me to just flash my license and
    they dont even run a background check. I have heard that in places like
    New York and California you cant even buy/carry a gun in the city, but
    not all places are that way. I guess thats one of the good things about
    living in the "old west"... lol

    Steve




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  • From Stainless@VERT/RATSNEST to STEVE HELFERICH on Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:38:00

    Even if you possess a concealed firearms license which is quite costly like 300$ a year... or something like that.. They still have to do another background check no matter what. Whomever you buy a pistol from should still do the background check. They aren't following the rules. Even though you got a concealed license. Although I haven't applied for one because of money constraints and no need for it. I live in Wyoming and you can wear a
    holstered side arm around. Although a police officer can take it from you to make sure you haven't done a crime with it. In which it could take a bit before you can retrieve the weapon back. Also if you have a conceiled weapons license they can still take your weapon for testing. Which will leave you without a pistol for a bit. Unless your like most westerners who have
    backups. ;-)

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  • From STEVE HELFERICH@VERT/LIGHTBBS to STAINLESS on Saturday, March 13, 2004 08:44:00
    like 300$ a year... or something like that.. They still have to do another background check no matter what. Whomever you buy a pistol from should still
    do the background check. They aren't following the rules. Even though you got
    a concealed license. Although I haven't applied for one because of money

    Thats one of the nice things about having a concealed carry permit.
    Once you get your permit, they dont run any more background checks, and
    they therefore dont charge you the fee for running it. All they do is
    call up the Bureau of Criminal Investigation (BCI) who makes sure your
    license is still valid and thats the end of it. Then again, its not
    easy to get the permit in the first place. They did a full out
    investigation on me, took fingerprints and even called up friends to
    make sure that I am not a criminal before they gave me my license. But
    all states are different, it may or may not be the same in other places.
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  • From Rocko@VERT to Angus Mcleod on Thursday, March 18, 2004 01:26:00
    Ah, well, I think special rules should apply to motorists. You should have your choice of THREE mortar rounds or THREE bazooka rounds, but
    not both. You can use them as you see fit, but you can't replennish
    until you reach the end of your journey.

    Something tells me everybody will go from the bazooka because it's more direct fire. But as for arming people as such, I think the consequence will be armoring the vehicles. In short, even more SUVs! =(

    I want that badass gun that they had in Robocop anyhow.

    Of course, there are plenty of times when three bazooka rounds won't
    seem like enough, but I think we have to draw the line somewhere, and I think three is sufficient. CERTAINLY in a country where the longest distance you can travel in a straight line without falling in the sea
    is 34 kilometers...

    Yeah, I could see three rounds being insufficient when I drive across the country, where I would be in a state of perpetual Spy Hunter.


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