• re: the American Tradition

    From Kaelon@VERT to Thumper on Friday, April 29, 2022 11:00:04
    Re:
    By: Thumper to All on Mon Apr 11 2022 01:10 pm

    But the truth is, the self-manufacturing of firearms is something deeply rooted in American tradition and protected by the Constitution.

    Completely agree, Thumper. Even though I have not yet been trained in firearms, I am a student of history (even got my degree in it over two decades ago!), and appreciate how not only did the widespread availability of arms ensure the British were defeated during the American Revolutionary War, but also dissuaded both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union from envisaging an invasion of the United States.

    It is a strategy that is being increasingly deployed in the Ukraine against Russian aggression and will be part and parcel of what keeps that country and its people free and independent.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Saturday, April 30, 2022 14:04:00
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Kaelon to Thumper on Fri Apr 29 2022 11:00 am

    Re:
    By: Thumper to All on Mon Apr 11 2022 01:10 pm

    But the truth is, the self-manufacturing of firearms is something deeply rooted in American tradition and protected by the Constitution.

    Completely agree, Thumper. Even though I have not yet been trained in firear ed during the American Revolutionary War, but also dissuaded both Nazi Germa

    It is a strategy that is being increasingly deployed in the Ukraine against -=- Kaelon -=- kaelon@kaelon.com -=-


    April 19th marked the date of the beginning of the US Revolution, the battle
    of Lexington and Concord. The objective of the British landing force was
    to sieze the powder magazine in Conchord. That was a decisive moment since
    the Redcoats couldn't bring the volume of powder that matched what was at the armory. One of the volunteer's only job that night was stay at the magazine and burn it down if it looked like the Redcoats could capture it.

    Manufacturing and private ownership in the States was also a must have in the early days due to the king not having the money or sympathy to protect the
    new colonists from natives and aggressors from other countries. Telling the subjects to arm themselves was a critical move towards not needing a king and his army.

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Moondog on Sunday, May 01, 2022 15:14:02
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sat Apr 30 2022 02:04 pm

    April 19th marked the date of the beginning of the US Revolution, the battle of Lexington and Concord. The objective of the British landing force was
    to sieze the powder magazine in Conchord. That was a decisive moment since the Redcoats couldn't bring the volume of powder that matched what was at the armory. One of the volunteer's only job that night was stay at the magazine and burn it down if it looked like the Redcoats could capture it.

    This is wonderful. Thanks for sharing this! Although I live on the South Shore of Massachusetts now, I grew up in Florida and other than the names of the battles and the underlying political and economic motivations of the founders, I never have appreciated the start of the American Revolutionary War until I moved up here two decades ago. I'm just minutes away from Lexington and Concord, and should really partake much more of this rich history.

    For the Ukrainians, arming its entire population has been a critical moment and inspiring for Americans to recall our own foundations in freedom. I hope that, in time, people will look to the preservation and inevitable victory of Ukraine as a re-founding of global freedom everywhere.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Monday, May 02, 2022 00:11:00
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Kaelon to Moondog on Sun May 01 2022 03:14 pm

    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sat Apr 30 2022 02:04 pm

    April 19th marked the date of the beginning of the US Revolution, the bat of Lexington and Concord. The objective of the British landing force was to sieze the powder magazine in Conchord. That was a decisive moment sin the Redcoats couldn't bring the volume of powder that matched what was at the armory. One of the volunteer's only job that night was stay at the magazine and burn it down if it looked like the Redcoats could capture it

    This is wonderful. Thanks for sharing this! Although I live on the South S iated the start of the American Revolutionary War until I moved up here two

    For the Ukrainians, arming its entire population has been a critical moment ng of global freedom everywhere.
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    Check out Project Appleseed when you have a chance. It's a two day marksmanship course tied in with history lessons specifically from the battle of Lexington and Conchord. If you never shot a rifle, they bring spares and y ou are the best candidate for training, and if you have shot, it's still good training. You'll learn to shoot with a rifle sling while standing, kneeling, and prone at 25 yards, and later stages include shooting at smaller scaled targets to simulate shooting at longer distances. One cool target is a Morgan's Shingle, which is the size of a postage stamp to recreate the size
    of a head at 250 yards when hung at 25 yards. Captain Daniel Morgan was
    given command of two rifle companies supporting General Washington, and a pre-requisite to join was one chance to hit a wooden roofing shingle the size of an officer's head.

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Moondog on Monday, May 02, 2022 07:39:29
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 12:11 am

    Check out Project Appleseed when you have a chance. It's a two day marksmanship course tied in with history lessons specifically from the battle of Lexington and Conchord. If you never shot a rifle, they bring spares and y ou are the best candidate for training, and if you have shot, it's still good training. You'll learn to shoot with a rifle sling while standing, kneeling, and prone at 25 yards, and later stages include shooting at smaller scaled targets to simulate shooting at longer distances.

    Thanks so much for this recommendation! I checked them out at https://appleseedinfo.org and was delighted to find out that they have a monthly course here in Massachusetts at the Harvard Sports Yard. Thrilling! I'm surprised that, as a Freemason, I've never heard about this before from other brothers, but I will be sure to share this at Lodge the next time I go.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Monday, May 02, 2022 21:57:00
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Kaelon to Moondog on Mon May 02 2022 07:39 am

    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 12:11 am

    Check out Project Appleseed when you have a chance. It's a two day marksmanship course tied in with history lessons specifically from the battle of Lexington and Conchord. If you never shot a rifle, they bring spares and y ou are the best candidate for training, and if you have shot it's still good training. You'll learn to shoot with a rifle sling while standing, kneeling, and prone at 25 yards, and later stages include shoot at smaller scaled targets to simulate shooting at longer distances.

    Thanks so much for this recommendation! I checked them out at https://apples ver heard about this before from other brothers, but I will be sure to share _____
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    A couple of years ago there was some falling out in the Appleseed circles,
    and a second group called Revere's Riders grew out of it. I'm not familiar with the drama that started it or what the major differences are, but the Appleseed guys I know endorse trying either program and are good friends with the guys who split off.

    In the searching I've briefly done there were arguments about growth or expand ing the training provided by Appleseed, and a bunch of trainers and facilitators walked out and made the program how they wanted it.

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Moondog on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 08:12:53
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 09:57 pm

    A couple of years ago there was some falling out in the Appleseed circles, and a second group called Revere's Riders grew out of it. I'm not familiar with the drama that started it or what the major differences are, but the Appleseed guys I know endorse trying either program and are good friends with the guys who split off.

    In the searching I've briefly done there were arguments about growth or expand ing the training provided by Appleseed, and a bunch of trainers and facilitators walked out and made the program how they wanted it.

    In my view, as long as there is a program that teaches both civic responsibility and promotes responsible gun ownership through training, safety, and marksmanship, that's the sort of program that I want to get involved in and introduce my son into. There's a lot to be said for appreciating the awesome power and tremendous responsibility inherent in owning and using a weapon, but that requires training, education, and proper orientation to the right way of doing things. And this is deeply entrenched in an American History that just isn't taught anymore, and hasn't since before I was born.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 00:40:00
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Kaelon to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 08:12 am

    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 09:57 pm

    A couple of years ago there was some falling out in the Appleseed circles and a second group called Revere's Riders grew out of it. I'm not famili with the drama that started it or what the major differences are, but the Appleseed guys I know endorse trying either program and are good friends with the guys who split off.

    In the searching I've briefly done there were arguments about growth or expand ing the training provided by Appleseed, and a bunch of trainers a facilitators walked out and made the program how they wanted it.

    In my view, as long as there is a program that teaches both civic responsibi e's a lot to be said for appreciating the awesome power and tremendous respo
    an American History that just isn't taught anymore, and hasn't since before _____
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    Everyone is familiar with the poem about the ride of Paul Revere, however the events in real life didn't work out as told. He wasn't the only messenger - they had redundant riders. Considering the people with subjects of the king, yelling the British are coming would make little sense. Revere was caught
    and interrogated, and told them everything because events were already in motion. The officer took his horse and left him to be guarded. His escape
    was less than spectacular. The guards wandered off and didn't take him with them.

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Moondog on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 11:01:21
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Wed May 04 2022 12:40 am

    Everyone is familiar with the poem about the ride of Paul Revere, however the events in real life didn't work out as told. He wasn't the only messenger - they had redundant riders. Considering the people with subjects of the king, yelling the British are coming would make little sense. Revere was caught
    and interrogated, and told them everything because events were already in motion. The officer took his horse and left him to be guarded. His escape was less than spectacular. The guards wandered off and didn't take him with them.

    While this particular tangent I am about to convey probably belongs best in DOVE-Net Entertainment, I can't help myself because it's relevant. In the TV series, "Turn," there is such an interesting contrast between the sanitized version of the American Revolutionary events that school children are taught, and the actual ruthlessness and intelligence operation undertaken by Continental forces under Washington.

    I feel that the public should be educated broadly on both the fundamentals of American History - what Benjamin Franklin described of 'Americans' as being a "rougher, simpler, more violent, more enterprising, less refined" people. He concluded that "we were a new nationality, and thus required a new nation." The freedom guaranteed only by arms is at the heart of what made our pioneering colonial forefathers truly independent in nationality and sovereignty.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 23:04:00
    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Kaelon to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 11:01 am

    Re: re: the American Traditio
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Wed May 04 2022 12:40 am

    Everyone is familiar with the poem about the ride of Paul Revere, however the events in real life didn't work out as told. He wasn't the only messenger - they had redundant riders. Considering the people with subje of the king, yelling the British are coming would make little sense. Rev was caught
    and interrogated, and told them everything because events were already in motion. The officer took his horse and left him to be guarded. His esca was less than spectacular. The guards wandered off and didn't take him w them.

    While this particular tangent I am about to convey probably belongs best in Revolutionary events that school children are taught, and the actual ruthles

    I feel that the public should be educated broadly on both the fundamentals o re a new nationality, and thus required a new nation." The freedom guarante _____
    -=: Kaelon :=-

    The rattlesnake on the Gadsen flag came from Franklin's writings. It is one
    of the few animals that warns you before you act too foolishly. It will not attack unless provoked, and even then it's rattle is fair warning to whoever doesn't back down. Step on the snake and you will get hurt.

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  • From Kaelon@VERT/BTTMLSS to Moondog on Thursday, May 05, 2022 12:23:00
    The rattlesnake on the Gadsen flag came from Franklin's writings. It is o of the few animals that warns you before you act too foolishly. It will n attack unless provoked, and even then it's rattle is fair warning to whoev doesn't back down. Step on the snake and you will get hurt.

    Yes! Well said.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to MOONDOG on Sunday, June 26, 2022 13:43:00
    MOONDOG wrote to KAELON <=-


    Manufacturing and private ownership in the States was also a must have
    in the early days due to the king not having the money or sympathy to protect the new colonists from natives and aggressors from other countries. Telling the subjects to arm themselves was a critical move towards not needing a king and his army.

    Add to this discussion the fact that "civilians shouldn't own military hardware" is another misnomer... Civilians WERE the military, and they
    could own canons, battleships, you name it!




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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Monday, July 04, 2022 01:57:00
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to MOONDOG <=-


    Manufacturing and private ownership in the States was also a must have
    in the early days due to the king not having the money or sympathy to protect the new colonists from natives and aggressors from other countries. Telling the subjects to arm themselves was a critical move towards not needing a king and his army.

    Add to this discussion the fact that "civilians shouldn't own military hardware" is another misnomer... Civilians WERE the military, and they could own canons, battleships, you name it!

    If one were to be a student of the American Revolution and the Founding Fathers, one would come to the conclusion that the populace should be allowed the same access to arms and munitions as the military/government. In essense, ANY law restricting access of weapons to the population is unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

    The Second Amendment was NOT put in place to guarantee the ability to hunt. It was NOT put in place to guarantee the ability to defend against criminals. It WAS put in place to guarantee the ability to defend the populace against a government acting in an over-reaching and tyrannical manner. The Second Amendment put in place the FOURTH branch of the government, The PEOPLE, armed and able to defend the Constitution on its own terms. We need to defend the Second in order to protect the other nine!

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to JIMMY ANDERSON on Thursday, July 07, 2022 13:46:23
    On 6/26/22 06:43, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote:

    Add to this discussion the fact that "civilians shouldn't own military hardware" is another misnomer... Civilians WERE the military, and they
    could own canons, battleships, you name it!

    Pragmatically, I would probably draw a line closer to nuclear materials
    and arms than a cannon or tank. Worth noting that civilian arms dealers
    have jets with missiles... they sell to the US (and Australia, Israel,
    etc) but they are civilian companies.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tracker1 on Friday, July 08, 2022 21:16:00
    Re: Re: the American Traditio
    By: Tracker1 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Thu Jul 07 2022 01:46 pm

    On 6/26/22 06:43, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote:

    Add to this discussion the fact that "civilians shouldn't own military hardware" is another misnomer... Civilians WERE the military, and they could own canons, battleships, you name it!

    Pragmatically, I would probably draw a line closer to nuclear materials
    and arms than a cannon or tank. Worth noting that civilian arms dealers have jets with missiles... they sell to the US (and Australia, Israel,
    etc) but they are civilian companies.
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    Arms dealers fall into the category of trusts and corporations. In order to make what is regarded as "destructive devices" according to the BATFE, a special license is required to manufacture and sell such items. There is no individual right involved. That is a ruse the anti-gunners have been trying
    to use, saying the National Guard and centralized armoriesis what was intended other than individuals owning and storing private arms. Having such permits opens your doors to inspectors to veridy you are making and selling items within the rules of your license level. For example, if an AR lower receiver is made to 100% functionality, there is a window of time where it must be marked and recorded in your inventory books. A few years ago Stag firearms
    was forced to shut down because of possessing un-documented recievers in
    their assembly facility. Their reason was they occasionally get custom
    orders for special names or number runs. Also, if a gun is made to order, fails QA, and the lower was the culprit, they could serialize a replacement lower with the same serial number of the defective lower (which is then destroyed.) While it's a good service, the BATFE didn't care. They had to jump through hoops to re-open and part of that meant new owners who could legally hold manufacturing FFL.

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