There are multiple "assault weapons" bans being pushed throughout the
country, there is legislation in Congress to enact an effective ban on handguns, an out of control California DOJ is pushing regulations that will criminalize millions of gun owners, and Democratic politicians are openly saying that they are coming to take your guns.

We’re angry, frustrated, and upset at everything that is going on with the country and how these arrogant, self-centered, selfish leftists think they
can run your life for you, violate your own personal decisions, override what you think is the best method of self-defense for yourself and your family,
and take away your fundamental, God-given rights.

-=Thumper=-
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Re: Gun Grabbers
By: Thumper to All on Wed Jul 11 2018 12:20 pm

We’re angry, frustrated, and upset at everything that is going on with the country and how these arrogant, self-centered, selfish leftists think they can run your life for you, violate your own personal decisions, override what you think is the best method of self-defense for yourself and your family, and take away your fundamental, God-given rights.

Hi, arrogant, self-centered, selfish leftist here.

Also, I own guns.

The best method of self-defense for yourself is the one that works for you, but does not unnecessarily risk harming others. That's why booby-trapping your property is illegal in (as far as I know) every state. For many large and explosive weapons the ATF has to sign off on civilian ownership.

Therefore, if you think your best method of self-defense is mining your property, you can't. If you think the best method of self-defense is an operational 120mm smoothbore gun from a tank, you're not allowed to own the shells without ATF approval (and a $200 tax on each).

I saw you mention "common-sense laws" earlier. Common sense dictates that mining your property or firing a 120mm explosive anti-personnel round at an intruder shouldn't be done.

For the majority of Americans, common-sense also suggests that to own a firearm one should be properly trained, and licensed, similar to how one gets a license to drive a car.

DaiTengu

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Re: Gun Grabbers
By: DaiTengu to Thumper on Sat Jul 14 2018 10:33:03

I saw you mention "common-sense laws" earlier. Common sense dictates that mining your property or firing a 120mm explosive anti-personnel round at an intruder shouldn't be done.

For the majority of Americans, common-sense also suggests that to own a firearm one should be properly trained, and licensed, similar to how one gets a license to drive a car.

This. I have no general problem with guns, but I don't see why you shouldn't need to have a license, registration, and maybe even insurance in the same way that you would a car. We make people do that to own a car so that we know that they have at least a marginal idea of how to operate it, and won't go driving on sidewalks mowing people down. In the same vein, I don't see why you shouldn't be properly trained and licensed to use any kind of a gun as well. Cos I'd much rather you understand how it works, than just be some schmo that walked off the street and bought a rifle from Wal-Mart with nothing except "guns are cool" as background.

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DERISION wrote to DAITENGU <=-

I saw you mention "common-sense laws" earlier. Common sense dictates that mining your property or firing a 120mm explosive anti-personnel round at an intruder shouldn't be done.

For the majority of Americans, common-sense also suggests that to own a firearm one should be properly trained, and licensed, similar to how one gets a license to drive a car.

This. I have no general problem with guns, but I don't see why you shouldn't need to have a license, registration, and maybe even
insurance in the same way that you would a car. We make people do that
to own a car so that we know that they have at least a marginal idea of how to operate it, and won't go driving on sidewalks mowing people
down. In the same vein, I don't see why you shouldn't be properly
trained and licensed to use any kind of a gun as well. Cos I'd much
rather you understand how it works, than just be some schmo that walked off the street and bought a rifle from Wal-Mart with nothing except
"guns are cool" as background.

In my area, people are basically brought up with or without guns. Those
of us raised with guns were taught how to use, store, etc. Those without
that kind of raising? Sure - they could use it. I know schools now teach driver's education - we didn't have that when I was in school, but I
still took a test to get a driver's license.

I did NOT take a test to own a gun, and I think the 2nd amendment allows
me to OWN. I DID take a test and submitted myself to finger-printing
and a background check to get a license to CARRY a gun on my person.




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For the majority of Americans, common-sense also suggests that to own

a

firearm one should be properly trained, and licensed, similar to how

one

gets a license to drive a car.

This. I have no general problem with guns, but I don't see why you

shouldn't

need to have a license, registration, and maybe even insurance in the

same

way that you would a car. We make people do that to own a car so that we know that they have at least a marginal idea of how to operate it, and

won't

go driving on sidewalks mowing people down. In the same vein, I don't

see

why you shouldn't be properly trained and licensed to use any kind of a

gun

as well. Cos I'd much rather you understand how it works, than just be

some

schmo that walked off the street and bought a rifle from Wal-Mart with nothing except "guns are cool" as background.

The problem would be that criminals and killers would not bother to do any
of that and as usual, the only ones that suffer and pay the "ginormous"
fees for it are the legal, law-abiding citizens.

-=Thumper=-
Sysop
The Wastelands BBS

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One of the nice side-effects of licensing and registration of firearms is
that it quickly becomes evident just how gang-related violence dominates firearms fatalities. Here in Canada, the number of homicides by PAL-holders
is approximately about as many women who are charged with infanticide; that
is, it's statistically irrelevant. It makes for good argument data for
firearms owners.

However, that doesn't stop the Liberals and NDP from seeking to further make miserable the lives of PAL-holders or to deprive them of their property. When it comes to gang-related firearms violence our progressive politicians stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes, and scream LALALALA.

-D

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