• Re: going to war

    From Alonzo@VERT/UNMARKED to esc on Wednesday, December 13, 2023 11:11:02
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: esc to Dumas Walker on Sun Nov 26 2023 10:06 pm

    More Americans died in the Civil War than any other war. We don't build statues for our enemies, and we don't care who their families are. That goes for any war we've been in...we don't have statues of Bin Laden or Hitler or anyone else, and they had families. Let's not forget that confederate soldiers literally fought for the right to own human slaves. No, we shouldn't have statues of them, that's goofy.

    You are wrong about many things here. First of all, the majority of people living in the south did not have slaves and had no interest in slavery. That's not what the war was about. It was more about wanting to have more control over local laws and taxes.

    Also, people in the south were Americans and they had relatives living in the north. Many families had family members fighting on both sides. Some fought for the north and some fought for the south. They weren't anti-American, they were anti-government, just like many people living in the United States today and the only way they could see they would achieve equal control was to secede from the union.

    Plus, you build statues to remember history - something that young people are very bad at. Many kids (thanks to a distorted liberal education) can't even tell you what the capital of our country is or how many states we have. And to forget history is to repeat it. It's important to learn from the country's mistakes.

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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Alonzo on Wednesday, December 13, 2023 22:01:58
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Alonzo to esc on Wed Dec 13 2023 11:11 am

    are very bad at. Many kids (thanks to a distorted liberal education) can't even tell you what the capital of our country is or how many states we have. And to forget history is to repeat it. It's important to learn from the country's mistakes.

    I have no idea what they teach kids in school these days. I don't remeber by kids having a history class or what history they were taught? Maybe they were teaching them my generations era 60's - 70's? I know they knew who JFK was and Martin Luther King. But civil war? No way. BTW. Even though the south lost the slaves were still not free. It took many many years later to abolish slavery. The Civil War was just a starting point. The real question is when were blacks treated as equals?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Alonzo on Thursday, December 14, 2023 08:11:50
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Alonzo to esc on Wed Dec 13 2023 11:11 am


    You are wrong about many things here. First of all, the majority of people living in the south did not have slaves and had no interest in slavery. That's not what the war was about. It was more about wanting to have more control over local laws and taxes.

    Also, people in the south were Americans and they had relatives living in the north. Many families had family members fighting on both sides. Some fought for the north and some fought for the south. They weren't anti-American, they were anti-government, just like many people living in the United States today and the only way they could see they would achieve equal control was to secede from the union.

    Plus, you build statues to remember history - something that young people are very bad at. Many kids (thanks to a distorted liberal education) can't even tell you what the capital of our country is or how many states we have. And to forget history is to repeat it. It's important to learn from the country's mistakes.

    people are also generally dumb. the civil war was very complicated. it's easier to teach that it was good guys vs bad guys and it was all about slavery.

    The north fought to stop the emancipation. the south fought because they were being shafted by the govt and they were sick of it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Thursday, December 14, 2023 08:18:17
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Hustler to Alonzo on Wed Dec 13 2023 10:01 pm

    I have no idea what they teach kids in school these days. I don't remeber by kids having a history class or what history they were taught? Maybe they were teaching them my generations era 60's - 70's? I know they knew who JFK was and Martin Luther King. But civil war? No way. BTW. Even though the

    yeah they had a history class. there are state laws that mandate what classes need to be taught.
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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Alonzo on Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:26:53
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Alonzo to esc on Wed Dec 13 2023 11:11 am

    forget history is to repeat it. It's important to learn from the country's mistakes.

    You know, we didn't have toilets for like a thousand years just because some idiots decided they wanted nothing to do with a particular civilization and completely burried all evidence of their toilet tech.

    What would happen if, at the height of cancel culture, there was a rumor that the inventor of the toilet was a racist and a rapist? :D

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Phigan on Friday, December 15, 2023 07:02:04
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Phigan to Alonzo on Thu Dec 14 2023 11:26 am

    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Alonzo to esc on Wed Dec 13 2023 11:11 am

    forget history is to repeat it. It's important to learn from the country's mistakes.

    You know, we didn't have toilets for like a thousand years just because some idiots decided they wanted nothing to do with a particular civilization and completely burried all evidence of their toilet tech.

    What would happen if, at the height of cancel culture, there was a rumor that the inventor of the toilet was a racist and a rapist? :D

    james t crapper was a racist! rip down all the toilets!
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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to MRO on Friday, December 15, 2023 09:00:15
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: MRO to Alonzo on Thu Dec 14 2023 08:11 am

    people are also generally dumb. the civil war was very complicated. it's easier to teach that it was good guys vs bad guys and it was all about slavery.

    The north fought to stop the emancipation. the south fought because they were being shafted by the govt and they were sick of it.

    lolz

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Lizard Master on Friday, December 15, 2023 10:09:43
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: The Lizard Master to MRO on Fri Dec 15 2023 09:00 am

    Re: Re: going to war
    By: MRO to Alonzo on Thu Dec 14 2023 08:11 am

    people are also generally dumb. the civil war was very complicated.
    it's easier to teach that it was good guys vs bad guys and it was all about slavery.

    The north fought to stop the emancipation. the south fought because they were being shafted by the govt and they were sick of it.

    lolz

    lolz all you want. that's how it went down.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PHIGAN on Friday, December 15, 2023 09:11:00
    What would happen if, at the height of cancel culture, there was a rumor that the inventor of the toilet was a racist and a rapist? :D

    I have a feeling that some of them would be willing to ignore it to keep
    their toilets, but we would have had some wackos (probably the same ones
    that claim that only right-wingers are wackos) that would have started
    going in their backyards (or other people's).

    Come to think of it, maybe that is why so many people crap in the streets
    in SF??


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  • From Kurisu@VERT/FINALZON to Phigan on Friday, December 15, 2023 14:58:12
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Phigan to Alonzo on Thu Dec 14 2023 11:26 am

    You know, we didn't have toilets for like a thousand years just because some idiots decided they wanted nothing to do with a particular civilization and completely burried all evidence of their toilet tech.

    They would most certainly come up with a reason to still use them. Remember, these are the same people who won't ditch Harry Potter even though Rowling is a transphobe, but they sure as hell boycott anything anyone else "problematic" creates.

    Can't separate art from the artist until it's convenient for them to....

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Kurisu on Friday, December 15, 2023 21:15:00
    Hello Kurisu!

    Remember, these are the same people who won't ditch Harry
    Potter even though Rowling is a transphobe, but they sure
    as hell boycott anything anyone else "problematic" creates.

    It is a shame when having an opinion about <something> makes a
    person labelled as a <something>phobe.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Kurisu on Saturday, December 16, 2023 05:11:48
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Kurisu to Phigan on Fri Dec 15 2023 02:58 pm


    They would most certainly come up with a reason to still use them. Remember, these are the same people who won't ditch Harry Potter even though Rowling is a transphobe, but they sure as hell boycott anything anyone else "problematic" creates.

    what the fuck is a transphobe.

    someone that believes men cant get periods?

    she said dumbledore was gay so there's that.
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  • From Kurisu@VERT/FINALZON to Ogg on Saturday, December 16, 2023 06:10:11
    Re: going to war
    By: Ogg to Kurisu on Fri Dec 15 2023 09:15 pm

    It is a shame when having an opinion about <something> makes a
    person labelled as a <something>phobe.

    Quite the example of many peoples very black-or-white thinking. There can't be any nuance, it immediately has to be this extremely strong buzzword we've chosen and can't be anything else.

    Ironically that serves my point just as well, because if they treat her opinion as being that level of severity, then the fact they, in this one case, separate art from the artist means they are using one hell of a double standard.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Kurisu on Saturday, December 16, 2023 09:08:10
    Re: going to war
    By: Kurisu to Ogg on Sat Dec 16 2023 06:10 am

    Re: going to war
    By: Ogg to Kurisu on Fri Dec 15 2023 09:15 pm

    It is a shame when having an opinion about <something> makes a
    person labelled as a <something>phobe.

    Quite the example of many peoples very black-or-white thinking. There can't be any nuance, it immediately has to be this extremely strong buzzword we've chosen and can't be anything else.

    Ironically that serves my point just as well, because if they treat her opinion as being that level of severity, then the fact they, in this one case, separate art from the artist means they are using one hell of a double standard.

    There's that and there's another thing they do if you pay attention to mainstream media.

    If someone goes against the agenda they say they are crazy.

    Like Kanye West is totally biopolar yet everything he said is actually true if you step aside and examine current media and look at people who are against what you can call liberal agendas or ACTUALLY just the agenda of the white guys that run everything in the world.

    The media sets the pace to what people should be thinking, and eventually half or more of the people follow along.

    Look at Elon Musk. He bought twitter which was eventually exposed as a propaganda machine. Twitter was a company that was left leaning and one sided. Its job was to squash and shut up the other side. When he exposed it and even showed proof to this he was the evil bad guy and he's oh so crazy.

    Then you go on facebook or instagram and see what looks like people commenting following with the global opinion of things. There's real people but then there's also tons of fucking bots starting the comments and keeping things moving.

    It's really sad what society has become. We are destroying ourselves with technology and hate. Which sucks, because those are 2 things i really love :D
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE LIZARD MASTER on Saturday, December 16, 2023 09:53:00
    people are also generally dumb. the civil war was very complicated. it's easier to teach that it was good guys vs bad guys and it was all about slavery.

    The north fought to stop the emancipation. the south fought because they were being shafted by the govt and they were sick of it.

    lolz

    He isn't far off. As long as there was no emancipation in the South, most
    of the new land to the west was only open to settlement by Northerners,
    which gave them additional opportunity that many in the South didn't have. Later, many Northerners also were not too thrilled by the influx of former slaves, or Southerners in general, into Northern cities.

    So the usual generalizations of good vs. bad really are pretty dumb.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to KURISU on Saturday, December 16, 2023 09:55:00
    They would most certainly come up with a reason to still use them. Remember, these are the same people who won't ditch Harry Potter even though Rowling is transphobe, but they sure as hell boycott anything anyone else "problematic" creates.

    Can't separate art from the artist until it's convenient for them to....

    They continue to be Harry Potter fans because that allows they to escape
    into the fantasy world. So even thought the author may not approve of
    their identifying as something they aren't, the books give them an outlet.

    If she were a writer of some other form of fiction that was more reality
    based, she'd be as cancelled as Mullberry Street.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Saturday, December 16, 2023 10:01:00
    Remember, these are the same people who won't ditch Harry
    Potter even though Rowling is a transphobe, but they sure
    as hell boycott anything anyone else "problematic" creates.

    It is a shame when having an opinion about <something> makes a
    person labelled as a <something>phobe.

    Indeed. If that is what someone wants to do or, better yet, if they are
    really gender dysphoric, then so be it. I can accept that is what might be right *for them*. However, acceptance is not enough for some... if you don't "celebrate" it, or accept that trans women are "better" than biological
    women, or support biological men playing women's sports, or support children being exposed to it, you are a "phobe."

    Basically, applying any real logic to it makes you a "phobe."


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  • From Hustler@VERT/REALITY to Phigan on Wednesday, December 20, 2023 12:42:44
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Phigan to Alonzo on Thu Dec 14 2023 11:26 am

    You know, we didn't have toilets for like a thousand years just because some

    What would happen if, at the height of cancel culture, there was a rumor that the inventor of the toilet was a racist and a rapist? :D

    They'd be shiitin all over each other. :-)


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  • From Unc0nnected@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Sunday, March 24, 2024 18:04:18
    Re: Re: going to war
    By: Arelor to unc0nnected on Mon Dec 04 2023 02:29 pm

    Refutation follows:

    https://corporate.britannica.com/britannica_nature_response.pdf

    Thanks for posting, took a bit of a hiatus from the boards but wanted to make you to share my appreciation.

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