samsung is just shit. everything they do is shit.
i'm through with samsung phones and tvs.
i have a motorola phone and it works great.
I don't remember having a single crash or hang in any of my personal Android they suck.
The main difference for me is that Androids you can find for cheaper. As I a smartphone is going to suck, so you may as well have one that sucks but does
Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 21 2021 01:11 am
Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu May 20 2021 07:18 am
it. Braces, mortgage, guitar lessons, all that fun stuff.
I have a $100 Android phone, my daughter has a Chromebook, and my wife desktops. I've got a 10-year old laptop that runs Linux well.
Yeah, Apple products are pretty, but the cost is prohibitive.
... How does this work, is there an orientation?
one thing that i personally have notices is this:
ex girlfriend has a daughter. she needs to have a cellphone to keep in c
iphone was replaced 6 times due to damage from age 10-13
one time it dropped out of her pocket when getting out of the car and scr dropped my android phone hundreds of times. still good.
she got an android phone and a case for it and it wasnt damaged again.
I don't even have cases for mine. A caseless phone you take care off will di before it dies from damage. I say this as somebody whose phones are his hors
I have an old Nokia from the 6000 series which is full of bite marks, has ma screen and scratches all around, and it still works. Similar thing with a No supposed to be an entry, cheap, garbage phone. It costed me about 85 eur. Th are sluggish as heck with it and it has a cracked screen but after 3 years i to be replaced.
Maybe I am just a mean cheapstake, but paying for a case is against my relig reasonably resistent to damage out of the box without the user having to mak investment - and, surprise, most are.
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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Arelor to Zouf on Thu May 20 2021 12:35 pm
I don't remember having a single crash or hang in any of my personal Andr they suck.
The main difference for me is that Androids you can find for cheaper. As smartphone is going to suck, so you may as well have one that sucks but d
Most phones are Android due to their level of accessiblity. Perhaps I am jus little prejudiced against them because they lack the little extra polish see in iPhones.
I don't think smartphones suck at all, they represent the single most import and defining technology in the past 12-13 years. I still remember watching i awe in 2013 when a friend pulled out his smartphone and began streaming a li football match while on a car journey. The ability to watch content on YouTu Netflix, etc... bring up any website or listen to podcasts or do anything online anywhere is nothing short of astounding. I would genuinely struggle without my phone now.
engineered (against the user) that the only things that work properly in i are trivial leissure activities.
properly in it
are trivial leissure activities.
Which is fine if you want to watch My Little Pony in the bus.
But it is not if you want to do inventory accounting.
I'm jumping in out of the blue. I agree with you that 'Smart Phones' are the
TBH, they are just computers - but the power we've been able to pack into a Internet.
Whats next?
Zouf wrote to MRO <=-
Never owned a Samsung TV... I always thought their TVs were meant to be very high quality. I've always went for LG/Sony though but have never ruled out Samsung.
I just need to turn on the blueray (4K video) player. It turns the TV on a switches input automagically. If I want to push my phone's screen to my TV it'll do similar. If I pull up YouTube on my phone, it asks me if I'd pref to watch it on my TV instead if it senses my TV nearby.
it! I'm not a high schooler that needs pages and pages of apps. My original battery lasted 5+ years because I don't over load it with junk I don't or rarely use.
I guess I we are more in awe with the quality of mobile internet that's available nowadays. 4G is nothing short of mindblowing. I have a very stable 4G conection and I don't really do much travelling outside of my city so it's like being on broadband wherever I go. If you'd mentioned something like that to me in 2005 I wouldn't have thought it possible -- back then I was just getting used to home WiFi after being stuck on an Ethernet cable, so I would have been very skeptical of sattelite
internet. I have a 5G compatible phone and I sometimes pick up a 5G connection and the download speeds are a huge improvement over 4G. I
don't see much of a point in 5G though as most of our content is
streamed now rather than downloaded and there is zero buffer time on a
4G connection even on a 1080p video.
Re: Samsung
By: Brian Rogers to Zouf on Mon May 24 2021 09:09 am
it! I'm not a high schooler that needs pages and pages of apps. My original battery lasted 5+ years because I don't over load it with junk I don't or rarely use.
you never had to charge your battery for 5 years?
Smartphones are supposed to be the ultimate portable communication device, a hardware wise there are models more powerful than the computer I am porting from right now. However, they are burdened by lots of artificial barriers.
Namely:
Low quality software.
Programmed Obsolescence.
Vendor Lock-in.
A lack of affordable options for getting actual work done.
I am a bit sore against smartphones because, when they started gaining traction, they released lots of games but there were no good tools for doing encrypted email, which is something you would expect in an Ultimate Portablà Comunication Device.
Meanwhile, if you want to integrate your fleet of smartphones and tablets wi your custom inventory management system you'll have to roll your own application (which is fine). However, in order to deploy your own applicatio you are either going to have to pay Apple a big chunk for the right to use y own program, or enable sideloading for Android devices with the problems thi brings.
The bottom line is when you purchase a smartphonne, you are getting four tim the hardware power my computer here has , but the whole thing is so poor engineered (against the user) that the only things that work properly in it are trivial leissure activities.
Which is fine if you want to watch My Little Pony in the bus.
But it is not if you want to do inventory accounting.
it! I'm not a high schooler that needs pages and pages of apps. My original battery lasted 5+ years because I don't over load it with junk I don't or rarely use.
My TV and BlueRay players are both Samsung as well. If I want to watch a dis I just need to turn on the blueray (4K video) player. It turns the TV on and switches input automagically. If I want to push my phone's screen to my TV it'll do similar. If I pull up YouTube on my phone, it asks me if I'd prefer to watch it on my TV instead if it senses my TV nearby.
I can't do any of that with my iPhone.
Yes, yer right. Without the data stream, these computers in our pockets woul
I think that 5G will open up even MORE possibilities and new tech using the
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
you never had to charge your battery for 5 years?
PhazeVektor wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
recently discovered to have major security flaws which put almost every mobile /wifi device at risk).
I suppose there are some great perks to investing in a single brand if all the devices are able to pair up and seamlessly work together to provide a better experience.
You can actually use your iPhone as a YouTube remote on any TV. There is a TV icon at the top of the app which if you click allows you to display the video you're watching on the big screen.
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
you never had to charge your battery for 5 years?
I've never had to -replace- it for 5+ years. If I had the formula to
never
have to charge one for 5 years, I'd be living on my own private island
I remember having a Blackberry Curve back in 2008/09 with a
3G contract and struggling to watch a low-resolution
YouTube clip and thinking that this mobile internet crap
would never catch on.
I reckon 5G will take over fibre and everything else. Why
bother with wires when satellites provide a higher
bandwidth and download speed at a much cheaper cost?
I've never had to -replace- it for 5+ years. If I had the
formula to never have to charge one for 5 years, I'd be
living on my own private island listed as it's own country
flipping off the politicians of the world.
recently? Anyone who's had a radio license of any kind
knows there is simply none nor will there be ANY security
on wireless. If you're that paranoid don't own such a
device. Wired transports only appear to offer a bit more
security because wirless cracks don't necessarily apply.
BTW; just shutting off the services you mentioned won't
stop someone from coming in and turning them back on.
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I suppose there are some great perks to investing in a single brand if
all the devices are able to pair up and seamlessly work together to provide a better experience.
You can actually use your iPhone as a YouTube remote on any TV. There
is a TV icon at the top of the app which if you click allows you to display the video you're watching on the big screen.
recently discovered to have major security flaws which put almost eve mobile /wifi device at risk).
recently? Anyone who's had a radio license of any kind knows there is simp none nor will there be ANY security on wireless. If you're that paranoid
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
I've heard that there *are* several islands available in the
Bahamas area. I think Mr Branson (of Virgin Inc fame) acquired
such an island on the cheap, but it turned out to be a disaster
since it was affected by those little things called hurricanes
every year.
Meanwhile.. I'm suprised there is such an easy way to expore
island availability all over the world now at places like:
https://www.privateislandsonline.com/
5 Cheapest Whole Islands
I've never had to -replace- it for 5+ years. If I had the formula to never have to charge one for 5 years, I'd be living on my own private island listed as it's own country flipping off the politicians of the world.
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
5 Cheapest Whole Islands
Round Island, Nova Scotia: $58,647 for 2.7 acres.
Half Island, Nova Scotia: $59,024 for 6 acres.
Mill Cove Peninsula, Nova Scotia: $67,730 for 1.68 acres.
La Cornelia Island, Nicaragua: $90,000 for 1 acre.
Naomi Island, New York: $99,000 for 5 acres.
Dumas Walker wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-
Yes. :)
Hello MRO;
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
Why not? It works just fine for what I want it to do which is mainly
email, web surfing, and text messaging. I've actually had my phone for
8 years and it's going strong. If it's not broke, don't fix it :)
... Never buy flowers from a monk. Only you can prevent florist friars.
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
You want to "opt-out" of facial recognition or other biometric scans?!? Easier repair?! Just a guess.
Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: paulie420 to Zouf on Sun May 23 2021 02:41 pm
I'm jumping in out of the blue. I agree with you that 'Smart Phones' are the
TBH, they are just computers - but the power we've been able to pack into a Internet.
Whats next?
I guess I we are more in awe with the quality of mobile internet that's available nowadays. 4G i
nothing short of mindblowing. I have a very stable 4G conection and I don't really do much
travelling outside of my city so it's like being on broadband wherever I go. If you'd mentioned
something like that to me in 2005 I wouldn't have thought it possible -- back then I was just
getting used to home WiFi after being stuck on an Ethernet cable, so I would have been very
skeptical of sattelite internet. I have a 5G compatible phone and I sometimes pick up a 5G
connection and the download speeds are a huge improvement over 4G. I don't see much of a point i
5G though as most of our content is streamed now rather than downloaded and there is zero buffer
time on a 4G connection even on a 1080p video.
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
you're just weird.
Re: Re: Smart Phones
By: paulie420 to Zouf on Mon May 24 2021 10:31 am
Yes, yer right. Without the data stream, these computers in our pockets woul
I think that 5G will open up even MORE possibilities and new tech using the
I remember having a Blackberry Curve back in 2008/09 with a 3G contract and struggling to watch
low-resolution YouTube clip and thinking that this mobile internet crap would never catch on.
I reckon 5G will take over fibre and everything else. Why bother with wires when satellites prov
a higher bandwidth and download speed at a much cheaper cost?
Re: Re: Samsung
By: Brian Rogers to MRO on Tue May 25 2021 03:01 pm
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
you never had to charge your battery for 5 years?
I've never had to -replace- it for 5+ years. If I had the formula to
never
have to charge one for 5 years, I'd be living on my own private island
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
Why would you buy more than 1 cellphone each 5 years?
okay mr flipphone.
they get old, they get dirty, they get scratched, new phones are better.
okay mr flipphone.
they get old, they get dirty, they get scratched, new phones are better.
flip-phone? I use the old motorola dynatac 8k (brain burner)... lol
I don't, obviously, but I did see a few of those on ebay
for like 2 grand US, in case someone wants to go retro...
Re: Samsung
By: Zouf to Brian Rogers on Tue May 25 2021 10:43 pm
I suppose there are some great perks to investing in a single brand if al the devices are able to pair up and seamlessly work together to provide a better experience.
You can actually use your iPhone as a YouTube remote on any TV. There is TV icon at the top of the app which if you click allows you to display th video you're watching on the big screen.
my android phone does that with tvs and roku sticks
Hello Zouf!
** On Tuesday 25.05.21 - 22:52, Zouf wrote to paulie420:
I remember having a Blackberry Curve back in 2008/09 with a
3G contract and struggling to watch a low-resolution
YouTube clip and thinking that this mobile internet crap
would never catch on.
Maybe early on they didn't have the "detection" of the mobile's
initial speed and assumed a default for everyone?..especially
if launching the vid fromthe mobile's browser. Now, you can
either adjust the resolution (hence bandwidth/quality) the vid
and then watch it. And now, dedicated apps are more likely to
do that kind of adjustment automatically depending on an
initial speedtest.
I reckon 5G will take over fibre and everything else. Why
bother with wires when satellites provide a higher
bandwidth and download speed at a much cheaper cost?
5G wrt speed is fine and dandy in theory - it needs cells at
about every few hundred meters or so. I only see issues of
outtages and high maintenance costs in the future.
The satellite version (aka Starlink) where the tech can escape
earthly weather problems, might succeed better.
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You can actually use your iPhone as a YouTube remote on any TV. There is a TV icon at the top of the app which if you click allows you to display the video you're watching on the big screen.
Which app are you speaking of? My iPhone doesn't do this.
5G is not about speed.
There was an interesting article in Linux Magazine about it.
Afaik 5G is all about so-called edge computing and beamforming.
https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2020/234/Edge-Computing/(offset)/3/(la --
At least here:
* Datacaps.
* Connection stability.
* Datacaps.
* Carrier Grade NAT.
* Datacaps.
There is no wired connectivity to my house, and while 4G is available as a h find myself paying more for a wimax connection and less bandwidth, because w any of these problems with the exception of CG-Nat. And Afaik I could get no connection more easily than a 4G CGNATless subscription.
A big problem with 4G is that ISPs tend to priorize mobile users during bott lots of summer tourism, you are going to experience a big drop in your home all the foreigner drunktards are hogging the network and their traffic is ge
5G has a chance of solving this for a while, until they start overloading wi tasks and the ISPs start priorizing critical Edge Computing tasks over your
flip-phone? I use the old motorola dynatac 8k (brain burner)... lol
I don't, obviously, but I did see a few of those on ebay
for like 2 grand US, in case someone wants to go retro...
i tossed out a whole crate of those things at one of my jobs.
flip-phone? I use the old motorola dynatac 8k (brain burner)... lol I don't, obviously, but I did see a few of those on ebay
for like 2 grand US, in case someone wants to go retro...
i tossed out a whole crate of those things at one of my jobs.
Ah man! Had you just had the foresight to realize that if you would have stored boxes of useless junk at your residence, you could have been a thousand-aire today! :-p
Re: Re: Samsung
By: Arelor to MRO on Thu May 27 2021 09:29 am
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
Why would you buy more than 1 cellphone each 5 years?
okay mr flipphone.
they get old, they get dirty, they get scratched, new phones are better.
i'm not saying buy a new one each year, but c'mon man
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I am talking about the YouTube App. Which iPhone are you currently
using? I have been able to do this since 2016 back when I was using my
old 6S.
i'm not saying buy a new one each year, but c'mon man
I abuse my phones quite badly and I don't think they get dirty or scratchy enough in 5 years to warrant a replacement from that.
The only compelling reason to change so often is because smartphones become inoperative in practice by self-consumming their own storage with endless updates until they have no room enough to operate, and other not-so-subtle programmed obsolescence tricks..
Re: Re: Samsung
By: MRO to Brian Rogers on Tue May 25 2021 10:35 pm
Re: Re: Samsung
By: Brian Rogers to MRO on Tue May 25 2021 03:01 pm
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
you never had to charge your battery for 5 years?
I've never had to -replace- it for 5+ years. If I had the formula to
never
have to charge one for 5 years, I'd be living on my own private island
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
Why would you buy more than 1 cellphone each 5 years?
Hello Zouf;I am unaware if that was a feature back in 2014/15 when the 6 was still being sold by Apple. The 6 has officially been retired by Apple so the newer updates are no longer compatible however the 2016 YouTube App would have been able to interact with your TV.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I am talking about the YouTube App. Which iPhone are you currently using? I have been able to do this since 2016 back when I was using my old 6S.
I have a slightly older 6 I got off of eBay for a really good price. I think I used it 1 day and designated it as a paperweight.
... Bacteria - Back door to cafeteria
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I am unaware if that was a feature back in 2014/15 when the 6 was still being sold by Apple. The 6 has officially been retired by Apple so the newer updates are no longer compatible however the 2016 YouTube App
would have been able to interact with your TV.
Re: Re: Samsung
By: Arelor to MRO on Thu May 27 2021 09:29 am
why would you keep the same cellphone for 5 years?
Why would you buy more than 1 cellphone each 5 years?
okay mr flipphone.
they get old, they get dirty, they get scratched, new phones are better.
i'm not saying buy a new one each year, but c'mon man
When I got it, was for the sole purpose of interfacing it with my amateur radio software and only that. Once I figured it out and wrote down what to do for others, it went right into a draw where it only comes out every so often for topping off the battery and any IOS updates I may have missed.
I tried using it for one day, hated it.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I've been using smartphones since 2007 and went from Blackberry to
Windows to Android and finaly to iOS which is my preferance. I love it
but I guess it's not for everyone.
Lightman wrote to MRO <=-
okay mr flipphone.
they get old, they get dirty, they get scratched, new phones are better.
flip-phone? I use the old motorola dynatac 8k (brain burner)... lol
I don't, obviously, but I did see a few of those on ebay
for like 2 grand US, in case someone wants to go retro...
Brian Rogers wrote to Zouf <=-
We might have had the same Blackberry back in the 2000's and that was
more than fine for me. Would be still if it'd work on the cell
networks.
We might have had the same Blackberry back in the 2000's and that was more than fine for me. Would be still if it'd work on the cell networks.
Everyone likes what they like... just like with video tape systems some swor by beta, others VHS. Same with phone OS... some like droid, some like ios. One thing I like about androids is how I can easily have full control over the device and purge a lot of the crap that's default installed that I don't use such as InstaGrudge and deFacingBook. Just battery leeches even if you don't have them open.
I just wish my Note3 wasn't bootloader locked by AT&T so I could upgrade
the version of droid on it. I have the highest version with a custom rom
on it that allows for rooting where I can get easily into the file system and after removing apps and such from the GUI menus I can clean up the
junk left over on the device. Come year end it won't matter since the Note 3 and even my Note 4 no longer will be allowed on the carrier networks since they're blocking devices that use 4G for outbound dialing. Devices that
use 5G or 4Glte for dialing are the only devices that will be allowed on mos carriers. I was hoping a more current ROM would allow the device to use
it's 4Glte for dialing as well however they're not sensing the OS version they're going by IMEI which will match up with the device model. The claim is that devices that dial using 4G slow the rest of the network down. If the ran parallel services this wouldn't be an issue.
I do have a fully unlocked Note 8 and an A21 to use if I must, but I don't like the dimensions of them. Watching vids everyone looks a bit short and fat... and I can look in the mirror if I want to see that <G>
Lightman wrote to MRO <=-
okay mr flipphone.
they get old, they get dirty, they get scratched, new phones are better.
flip-phone? I use the old motorola dynatac 8k (brain burner)... lol
I don't, obviously, but I did see a few of those on ebay
for like 2 grand US, in case someone wants to go retro...
I've seen someone gut one of those (The "Gordon Gekko" phone) and turn it into a bluetooth handset.
On 06-02-21 17:38, Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I prefer iOS for the opposite reason to yourself -- I love the polished closed system nature of it which allows Apple phones to be far more efficient than their Android counter-parts.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Less apps meant less distraction, too.
Back then, Apple had a problem where notifications would block the
alarm from going off; I'd oversleep and see a notification on the
screen when I got up, and as soon as I cleared the notification, the
alarm would go off.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Re: Re: Samsung
By: Brian Rogers to Zouf on Tue Jun 01 2021 09:08 am
I prefer iOS for the opposite reason to yourself -- I love the polished closed system nature of it which allows Apple phones to be far more efficient than their Android counter-parts.
I really was a big fan of the look of the Blackberry Curve. I still
class it as one of the best looking smart devices ever made. I really hated the operating system though and the Blackberry web-browser was
woef. The new Blackberry 5G phone to be relased in 2021 may be of
interest to you. It has a QWERTY keyboard and everything.
The Galaxy Note 3 is a total dinosaur so I am not surprised carriers
are phasing out older devices. I use the Galaxy Note 9 at work which I would still class as a reliable device. I like up to date technology unless I am BBSing which is why I always choose to use devices from the 80's.
Hello Zouf;
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
The Note 3 for me is the perfect size. I have a Note 8 which I can't stand. It's unlocked and I upgraded the firmware to droid 9. I'd gladly sell it. It's still sitting in it's box. I have a nice wallet case for it and tempered glass too.
Vk3jed wrote to Zouf <=-
I also prefer Apple phones for daily use. There are some things that I can only do on Android, but Apple has been better as the daily driver
for me. Doesn't stop me having an Android kicking around for those
corner cases. But all other things being equal, I'll reach for the
Apple.
Brian Rogers wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Less apps meant less distraction, too.
That's why I root mine and remove all the junk I don't ever intend on using... which is most of what's on them.
I find my iPhone 6 exessively inefficient. If I didn't need to support softw on it I'd gladly let it meet Mr. Sledge.
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I like their monitors.
Hello plt;
plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I like their monitors.
Years ago, their CRT monitors rocked. Their flat screen TVs are pretty
great as well and often get high ratings.
Re: Re: Samsung
By: Brian Rogers to Zouf on Thu Jun 03 2021 07:23 pm
I find my iPhone 6 exessively inefficient. If I didn't need to support softw on it I'd gladly
let it meet Mr. Sledge.
I don't think it's inefficent at all. iOS is very user friendly. The iPhone 6 is a dated phone f
a LONG time ago though so you can't really compare it to modern phones. I would still say that t
iPhone 6 will have stood the test of time better than an Android Samsung from the same time peri
I still see people using iPhone 6S models along with the iPhone SE today. Both are a lot faster
than the 6 but are still almost half a decade old.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I rooted an old Samsung SIII and loved the control over it. Ran
LineageOS on it and pared the apps down to the bare minimum.
I've got a Motorola G7 Power from Cricket Wireless. Motorola is pretty sparse compared to other manufacturers builds which is nice, but I'd
like to try again.
My only concern is whether VoLTE and Wi-fi calling would work. I live
in a rural/coastal area, with the ocean on one side and hills between
me and the inland towers. I need wi-fi calling at home and some
carriers are getting picky unneccesarily about allowing NYOD devices
onto their VoLTE networks.
I used to have a nano-cell that plugged into my network, that was nice
- but the handoffs were harsh. It'd usually disconnect when you got out
of range of the nano-cell.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I don't think it's inefficent at all. iOS is very user friendly. The iPhone 6 is a dated phone from a LONG time ago though so you can't
really compare it to modern phones. I would still say that the iPhone 6 will have stood the test of time better than an Android Samsung from
the same time period.
I still see people using iPhone 6S models along
with the iPhone SE today. Both are a lot faster than the 6 but are
still almost half a decade old.
On 06-03-21 07:07, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm a cheapskate. A $130 Motorola G7 Power with a $70 512gb SD card
acts as a media backup for me, and I have all of my movies, music and e-books available wherever I go.
I'm tempted to replace the screen on a 64gb iPhone 6s I have in my
drawer, but choosing which movies to bring with me, then converting
them to mp4 as needed to copy them over with iTunes turns me off of the idea of switching back.
I was still using a Galaxy S2 by the time my father was ditching his "modern The only reason I replaced the Glaxy S2 is that one of my horses stepped on
User friendly systems are only user friendly until they break. Then they bec because, very much by definition, user friendly systems don't come with adva usually required to fix breakages. I really hate the term "user friendly" be weasel term, such as "organic democracy" (which is no democracy at all).
My older Note 3 runs circles around my iPhone 6 performance wise. I suppose which OS one finds "user friendly" is based upon what they're familiar with. For example, I'm used to email account configuration settings being within the email app itself, not in the global system configuration app.
I still see people using iPhone 6S models along
with the iPhone SE today. Both are a lot faster than the 6 but are still almost half a decade old.
I see people driving vehicles over 100 years old... does that mean they shou vanish off the roadways and not be granted registration when they're most likely a lot safer than cars you see in inner cities? The same should be said with phones and such... but that's my opinion. I can see yours varies <
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
my samsung crt was the first and only monitor to catch fire. luckily i was there when it happened and i chucked it out my 2nd story window
into my front yard.
You car analogy is no good in this instance... as technology improves, hardware demands increase
It really isn't viable to be an 'average' smartphone user these days with a 5-6 year old phone.
people who cling onto old smartphones are traditional phone users who are only ocncerned with a
light web-browsing, instant messaging, SMS and phone calls.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Vk3jed <=-
I'm a cheapskate. A $130 Motorola G7 Power with a $70 512gb SD card
acts as a media backup for me, and I have all of my movies, music and e-books available wherever I go.
Quoting Zouf to Arelor <=-
The average person is on his/her smart phone for over 4 hours per day
-- that is heavy usage compared to a decade ago when it was
considerably less than half that amount. If you are an average person,
you will REQUIRE a decent smart phone which will allow you to carry out
background to Phones need to be as powerful as PCs now just to keep up with the user as they are now the all-in-one computing device that
pretty much ticks all the boxes. I used to be on my computer a lot back
in the mid-2000s browing the internet but now I don't even have a
computer because my phone is able to handle everything I throw at it.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I find it hard to believe that the Galaxy Note 3 with a Snapdragon 800 could perform better than an iPhone 6 with an A8 when Apple was
crushing all Samsung phones around that time. Although the A8 is technically the weaker chip, Apple benches far exceed Androids due to
the efficency of iOS... this is true even today with the A14 destroying the Snapdragon 888 despite a lower TDP and fewer cores.
You car analogy is no good in this instance... as technology improves, hardware demands increase.
It really isn't viable to be an 'average'
smartphone user these days with a 5-6 year old phone. The people who
cling onto old smartphones are traditional phone users who are only ocncerned with a light web-browsing, instant messaging, SMS and phone calls.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
You car analogy is no good in this instance... as technology
improves, hardware demands increase. It really isn't viable to be
an 'average' smartphone user these days with a 5-6 year old
phone. The people who cling onto old smartphones are traditional
phone users who are only ocncerned with a light web-browsing,
instant messaging, SMS and phone calls.
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Vk3jed wrote to Zouf <=-
I also prefer Apple phones for daily use. There are some things that I can only do on Android, but Apple has been better as the daily driver for me. Doesn't stop me having an Android kicking around for those corner cases. But all other things being equal, I'll reach for the Apple.
I'm a cheapskate. A $130 Motorola G7 Power with a $70 512gb SD card acts
a media backup for me, and I have all of my movies, music and e-books available wherever I go.as
I'm tempted to replace the screen on a 64gb iPhone 6s I have in my drawer, but choosing which movies to bring with me, then converting them to mp4
needed to copy them over with iTunes turns me off of the idea of switching back.
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Hey MRO;
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
my samsung crt was the first and only monitor to catch fire. luckily i was there when it happened and i chucked it out my 2nd story window into my front yard.
Wow! Sounds like someone at the factory had a bad solder joint or something! I bet the picture rocked before that though. Yes you're quite fortunate you were there at the time it happened. Was it under warrantee?
... Old archers never die, they just bow and quiver.
Maybe it is a geographical difference, but the average smartphone user in Sp instant messaging, phone calls and a couple of games at best. I rarely see computing intensive tasks at all, not because they lack powerful phones, but not something they do on smartphones at all.
Maybe that is what happend to me last year. I was putting so much
demand on my Moto G7 it just could not keep up. I switched to a Galaxy
S20 + with 128GB space but . . . 12GB of RAM!! Yum. I still miss my Moto
G7 but I need the power of the Galaxy S20.
background to Phones need to be as powerful as PCs now just to keep up with the user as they are now the all-in-one computing device that pretty much ticks all the boxes. I used to be on my computer a lot back in the mid-2000s browing the internet but now I don't even have a computer because my phone is able to handle everything I throw at it.
I could not go that far. I can not imagine my world without a PC.
Nothing can compare to a big old screen, comfortable keyboard and
precise mouse movements. My son and I joke that we don't like
smartphones with their stupid touch screens . . . only because we
sometimes touch the wrong part of the screen at the wrong time!
hahahaha. :-)
But, I have a lot more uses for my PCs, I just like the "computer in my pocket" aspect of a powerful smartphone, but it is not always my first
go-to device, especially when at home. :-)
The latest iOS makes the iPhone 6 drag some. I don't get that with my Note 3
You car analogy is no good in this instance... as technology improves, hardware demands increase.
More like, as they keep rewriting systems, they begin to become more bloatware oriented trying to be the swiss army knife of all which requires more improved hardware for them to run on.
It really isn't viable to be an 'average'
smartphone user these days with a 5-6 year old phone. The people who cling onto old smartphones are traditional phone users who are only ocncerned with a light web-browsing, instant messaging, SMS and phone calls.
In my case your list is even more above what I use one for... which is why
I can easily live without one, and just finished almost 3 days doing just that. Intrusive messaging is of no value to me, and so is SMS. I know many people live on such things, and more. C'est la vie.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
You car analogy is no good in this instance... as technology
improves, hardware demands increase. It really isn't viable to be
an 'average' smartphone user these days with a 5-6 year old
phone. The people who cling onto old smartphones are traditional
phone users who are only ocncerned with a light web-browsing,
instant messaging, SMS and phone calls.
You sound pretty clueless.
Do you know what the word "average" means? In this particular use case,
it pretty much means "most". I'd say *MOST* people who have a
smartphone have one which is 5 years old. Yup. They're not "clinging"
to anything, it simply meets their needs. Absolutely, MOST people only
need light web-browsing, IM, SMS, and phone calls. Wake up, woke one.
... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
i should have disposed of it sooner but i was young and didnt have much money. the picture would go out and return right away in the few days before the problem.
i bought it from someone so there was no warranty and i didnt persue anything with samsung.
Quoting Zouf to Elf <=-
I can still see the appeal of a PC. I prefer to just chill on the
couch or browse the net in bed or whatever rather than being seated in front of a static desktop computer. I am tempted to buy an M1 iMac in a few months though!
I was using my own observations and statistics which state that the average smartphone user is on their device for 3.5-4 hours per day. I don't know if you have many 20-30 year olds in your social circle or at your place of work; but in my experience, it's perfectly normal to see people go through some heavy phone usage on a daily basis -- and the younger you go, the heavier the usage.
i bought it from someone so there was no warranty and i didnt persue anything with samsung.
If you purchased it used from an individual and not a store you have no idea what they may have spilled into it by accident or perhaps dropped it at one point moving their computer station around.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Ahh... now I know what you're talking about. Apple have a tendency to support their smartphones for far longer than Androids. The downside to this is that sometimes the operating system can become too demanding
for an older phone. I have seen many iPhone users asking for advice on
how to roll-back to a previous update because their phone has been
sapped of its performance. I can assure you though that for the first 3 years of it's life (2014-2017) the iPhone 6 would have outperformed
your Note 3.
The updates aren't exactly bloatware as there are no needless
programmes that run in the background in iOS. The most demanding aspect
of iOS updates appear to be the presentation as better animations are added to improve the user experience.
There's also added functionality
in terms of QoL updates if you're looking for integrated newsfeeds,
etc...
You are obviously not a smartphone user nevermind a casual
smartphone user. Sounds like a flip-phone would be suitable for your needs.
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
you dont even know what happens to it at a big box store.
Hello MRO;
MRO wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
you dont even know what happens to it at a big box store.
No you don't, however if you purchased it from say a Best Buy and you had issues, I'm sure they'd have honored a warantee of some sort to insure that your issue is resolved. When you buy 2nd hand it's a bit like playing russian roulette... it's hit or miss.
Quoting Matthew Munson to All <=-
I got a Galaxy S20 FE and im kinda disappointed by it. I am likely to migrate to the next iphone when it comes out. The bluetooth fades out where it takes longer to pair it to your car compared to my note 9 or iphone 7 plus. -!-
STYLES wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
There is a great app for iOS called Infuse. Works great playing all different type of media files. Plays files locally or over your
network.
Arelor wrote to Zouf <=-
Maybe it is a geographical difference, but the average smartphone user
in Spain seems to use it for instant messaging, phone calls and a
couple of games at best. I rarely see smartphone users do computing intensive tasks at all, not because they lack powerful phones, but just because that is not something they do on smartphones at all.
Elf wrote to ZOUF <=-
Quoting Zouf to Arelor <=-
The average person is on his/her smart phone for over 4 hours per day
-- that is heavy usage compared to a decade ago when it was
considerably less than half that amount. If you are an average person,
you will REQUIRE a decent smart phone which will allow you to carry out
Maybe that is what happend to me last year. I was putting so much
demand on my Moto G7 it just could not keep up. I switched to a Galaxy
S20 + with 128GB space but . . . 12GB of RAM!! Yum. I still miss my
Moto G7 but I need the power of the Galaxy S20.
Brian Rogers wrote to Zouf <=-
The latest iOS makes the iPhone 6 drag some. I don't get that with my
Note 3.
Elf wrote to ZOUF <=-
Apple will always hold a special place in my heart though. My first
ever computer as a kid was an Apple IIe and then I really enjoyed my
Apple iPod/iPhone/Mac years from 2004 to 2015.
MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to All <=-
I got a Galaxy S20 FE and im kinda disappointed by it. I am likely to migrate to the next iphone when it comes out. The bluetooth fades out where it takes longer to pair it to your car compared to my note 9 or iphone 7 plus.
Yeah, I have taken a look at the new M1 iMacs few times now and each
time I am blown away at the sharpness of the screen. It is so easy for
my old eyes to see! :-) I used to be an iPhone/Mac user. I started with
an iPod in 2004 and then bought a G5 iMac as my first ever Mac. I loved
it. I loved that it used a RISC type processor. The graphic interface
was always responsive and smooth. When they switched to Intel CPUs, it
just wansn't as good, not as smooth 100% of the time. I'm glad they are
back to a RISC type CPU with the M1. I would consider a Mac again for
the M1 CPU and the incredible screen sharpness. But . . . Not right now.
I have a great desktop PC and two laptops and a Samsung tablet with my Samsung phone. But who knows if I'll ever return to Apple. The thing
that drove me away was my desire to customize how my interface looked - beyond just changing from dark to light and changing the wallpaper! LOL
That is why I like Android for my mobile devices and Linux for my PCs. Extreme customization.
Apple will always hold a special place in my heart though. My first ever computer as a kid was an Apple IIe and then I really enjoyed my Apple iPod/iPhone/Mac years from 2004 to 2015.
Hello Zouf;
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Ahh... now I know what you're talking about. Apple have a tendency to support their smartphones for far longer than Androids. The downside to this is that sometimes the operating system can become too demanding for an older phone. I have seen many iPhone users asking for advice on how to roll-back to a previous update because their phone has been sapped of its performance. I can assure you though that for the first 3 years of it's life (2014-2017) the iPhone 6 would have outperformed your Note 3.
IMHO any technology should be forced to be supported for no less than 10 yea In this case ALL vendors are guilty of sub par support. Apple also IMHO has an extremely poor business model which I will not financially support and
I also find them to be excessively overpriced... another thing I will not support. I have a LOT more flexibility to customize my Note droid.
The updates aren't exactly bloatware as there are no needless programmes that run in the background in iOS. The most demanding aspect of iOS updates appear to be the presentation as better animations are added to improve the user experience.
What?? Not bloatware? Why does anyone need to see a dance show just to load an app? I don't get this. Leave the animation for kids saturday mornings. Lo at M$. Compare the size of a generic windows 2 install for example vs that o a Windows 10 install. In some cases 2 offered apps that 10 doesn't that were quite business friendly... and lacked the song and dance show to load. I enjoy a good movie or tv show, or some good music, or good company of friend I don't WANT to be entertained by an app loading. I want it to function and function well.
There's also added functionality
in terms of QoL updates if you're looking for integrated newsfeeds, etc...
I used to be in the media and got out when I saw how the politicians corrupted it. Newsfeeds are about as useful as used toilet tissue.
You are obviously not a smartphone user nevermind a casual
smartphone user. Sounds like a flip-phone would be suitable for your needs.
I don't need my smartphone to breathe like I see some lemmings doing, nor wi I be supportive of any company who's practices I don't believe in. When appl refused to cooperate with police a few years back on that terrorist in I thi it was California, they took a stance that they support terrorism. You may wish to support terrorism via apple, I will not :)
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
That's a shame. I keep thinking about going back to my old 6s, as it's
the last iPhone with a headphone jack.
Zouf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I can't disagree with much of what you've said. I think I am more pragmatic and accepting of what's happening. We are becoming more dependant on technology in pretty much every facet of life and I do
worry about the younger generation who are growing up with all these gadgets. One of the founders of Facebook even admitted that social
media causes more suffering that it solves which resulted in him
banning his own children from using it.
I also concur that technology should be supported for a longer period
of time. 10 years is probably a little big excessive as most phones and computers only have a realistic average lifespan of around 5 years.
The user experience is really pushing the drive for better hardware.
Even my advanced iPhone 12, which is more powerful than the majority of PCs, is fundamentally the SAME phone as something like the iPhone 4S
from 2011. Other than the QoL benefits such as faster loading times, an OLED panel, no bezels, beter sound quality, smooth UI animations and a better camera -- it doesn't actally do ANYTHING an iPhone from 10 years ago couldn't do. The same can be said for PCs though. Windows 10 may be flashy and resource heavy, but what can it do that XP couldn't?
Technology is all about better graphics and user experience now than actually improving productivity.
Also, I am well aware that Apple are a scummy company. I just like
their products.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Elf <=-
While most of my career in IT/Telecom/desktop support has been
supporting Windows systems with a minority of Macs, I worked at one company where we were all Mac, that was interesting.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Elf <=-
If you don't mind me asking, what are you running?
I had a G6 power that was perfectly suited to what I did personally.
Once I started using my phone for work in a BYOD environment I ended
up maxxing out the internal storage on the phone(16GB storage/2GB RAM) and it had a hard time keeping up.
Quoting Zouf to Elf <=-
I do like the classic Apple offerings from the late 70's, 80's and
early 90's from a collector's standpoint. The Apple II computers are
just incredible. I love the timeless appearance of them. I saw a
YouTube video from Action Retro recently which had him bring his Apple
IIe on the internet using a text only browser. I am pretty amazed that these old classics can still be used to this day.
I'm not sure why one sub-par experience with one phone would tempt you to switch, and I'm not sure quality control is up to par.That Samsung does a better job than Apple?
flip-phone? I use the old motorola dynatac 8k (brain burner)... lol
I don't, obviously, but I did see a few of those on ebay
for like 2 grand US, in case someone wants to go retro...
On 5/27/2021 6:22 PM, Lightman wrote:
flip-phone? I use the old motorola dynatac 8k (brain burner)... lol
I don't, obviously, but I did see a few of those on ebay
for like 2 grand US, in case someone wants to go retro...
For what it's worth, a lot of those older phones won't work on current
cell phone infrastructure in most places.
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