i worked at amazon for extra cash a few years ago. it's the
same as any fulfillment job. it's not hard work. they have
a lot of perks and great insurance. after 1 year you can get
a college education for decent fields paid for by amazon and
take classes right on campus.
they use the same time tracking system all over the world.
the exact same. everything is timed but it's not that bad.
if you have to go take a shit, you're good. if you're
drinking a lot of water and have to go take a piss for 5
mins every hour you're good. if you are gone for an hour
THAT will get you in trouble.
a lot of perks and great insurance. after 1 year you can get
a college education for decent fields paid for by amazon and
take classes right on campus.
Is it true that amazon has vending machines located around the
warehouse that dispense over-the-counter pain killers to its
workers?
mins every hour you're good. if you are gone for an hour
THAT will get you in trouble.
Some of the warehouses are so large that it takes over 15
minutes just to walk to the break-room?
MRO wrote to Ogg <=-
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
you just do mindless work and make money.
MRO wrote to Ogg <=-
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
you just do mindless work and make money.
Who wants to do mindless work?
Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
you just do mindless work and make money.
Who wants to do mindless work?
Hey, you could be doing worse and be doing no work at all :-)
That said, working in serial production lines and the like is not
for everybody. I know some actually hard working people who got
hired for serial production. They managed to do their job but you
could tell the employment was wearing them down. These people
would rather do extra hours fixing roofs than sit yet another
hour in front on a conveyor belt, bolting on the same parts once
and over and over again. Eventually they quit and now they raise
metal structures.
That said, working in serial production lines and the like
is not for everybody. I know some actually hard working
people who got hired for serial production. They managed to
do their job but you could tell the employment was wearing
them down.
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
you just do mindless work and make money.
Who wants to do mindless work?
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
you just do mindless work and make money.
Who wants to do mindless work?
Being near retirement from a job that requires non-mindlessness,
if they pay well, I would be interested in some mindless work
after I retire.
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.Who wants to do mindless work?
you just do mindless work and make money.
Hello Arelor!
** On Monday 19.04.21 - 02:45, Arelor wrote to Gamgee:
That said, working in serial production lines and the like
is not for everybody. I know some actually hard working
people who got hired for serial production. They managed to
do their job but you could tell the employment was wearing
them down.
Don't factories/production lines like that rotate the jobs?
Say, 1 week you are doing scanning, next week you are doing
packing, the week after that.. something else?
Lupine Furmen wrote to Gamgee <=-
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
you just do mindless work and make money.
Who wants to do mindless work?
ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting
and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.
ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
you just do mindless work and make money.
Who wants to do mindless work?
MRO wrote to Ogg <=-
Is it true that amazon has vending machines located around the
warehouse that dispense over-the-counter pain killers to its
workers?
they have vending machines that work with your badge that dispense
gloves, cutters, cough drops, losenges, notepads, packs of pens,
scissors, markers and anything you need. it also has ibruprofen. it's
all free.
Being near retirement from a job that requires non-mindlessness,
if they pay well, I would be interested in some mindless work
after I retire.
Yeah, I see your point, but... if you're working (even mindlessly),
you're not retired. :-)
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
you just do mindless work and make money.
Who wants to do mindless work?
Amazon also has software jobs, for maintaining their web site,
apps, streaming services, etc.. I had a couple phone interviews
for a couple Amazon software jobs years ago, but I wasn't chosen.
Some of their questions were a little weird - I remember being
asked once how I'd design some software to manage a parking lot
or something like that.
I've read some reviews from people working for Amazon saying it
can be a tough place, and it sounded like morale was low.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Being near retirement from a job that requires non-mindlessness,
if they pay well, I would be interested in some mindless work
after I retire.
Yeah, I see your point, but... if you're working (even mindlessly),
you're not retired. :-)
True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to still
need to be productive at something for a while, hopefully part
time.
ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting andWhat are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays people to watch youtube all day?
watching YouTube while working on my laptop.
..if they pay well, I would be interested in
some mindless work after I retire.
Yeah, I see your point, but... if you're working (even
mindlessly), you're not retired. :-)
True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to
still need to be productive at something for a while,
hopefully part time.
What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays
people to watch youtube all day?
I'm a gate guard at an industrial plant. I just have to check contractors in and out of my gate, and there's not that many of them, so there is a LOT of down time on an 8 hour shift.
..if they pay well, I would be interested in
some mindless work after I retire.
But to want to be "productive at a mindless task" seems like an
oxymoron. ;)
True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to
still need to be productive at something for a while,
hopefully part time.
But to want to be "productive at a mindless task" seems like an
oxymoron. ;)
Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
By: Lupine Furmen to HusTler on Tue Apr 20 2021 11:16 am
What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays
people to watch youtube all day?
I'm a gate guard at an industrial plant. I just have to check contractors in and out of my gate, and there's not that many of them, so there is a LOT of down time on an 8 hour shift.
Ahhh. I did security for a few years also. I was on my laptop all the time but internet was hard to find. I'd stop at blockbuster before going to work and rent DVD's. I worked for a company called Securitas. My post was Unitited Parcell Service. A lot of theft goes on there.
|12 HusTler
Ahhh. I did security for a few years also. I was on my^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
laptop all the time but internet was hard to find. I'd stop
at blockbuster before going to work and rent DVD's. I worked
for a company called Securitas. My post was Unitited Parcell
Service. A lot of theft goes on there.
True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to
still need to be productive at something for a while,
hopefully part time.
But to want to be "productive at a mindless task" seems like an
oxymoron. ;)
oxymoron. ;)
Security Guard fits the bill. Working at a Nursing home is another. Both will give you competitve wages and pension. By competive wages I mean $18.00 to $21.00 an hour in NY for mindless work.
at blockbuster before going to work and rent DVD's. I worked^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
for a company called Securitas. My post was Unitited Parcell
Service. A lot of theft goes on there.
Re: Re: working at amazon
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Apr 18 2021 20:47:00
amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.Who wants to do mindless work?
you just do mindless work and make money.
ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watchin YouTube while working on my laptop.
Re: Re: working at amazon
By: Lupine Furmen to Gamgee on Mon Apr 19 2021 01:25 pm
ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.
What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays people t watch youtube all day?
Re: Re: working at amazon
By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Tue Apr 20 2021 08:23 am
Re: Re: working at amazon
By: Lupine Furmen to Gamgee on Mon Apr 19 2021 01:25 pm
ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.
What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays people t watch youtube all day?
I don't know about him, but I know people who is getting paid LOTS of kilobucks in order to sit in front of a computer at weird hours, just in case something breaks and repair is needed.
You are unlikely to be needed if your job is to be available just in case some critical infrastructure needs repair, but if your intervention is necessary, it is *really* necessary, so it is worth it to pay you in order to sit in front of a computer or control pannel playing games or whatever.
Security Guard fits the bill. Working at a Nursing home is another. Bot will give you competitve wages and pension. By competive wages I mean $18 to $21.00 an hour in NY for mindless work.
hold on now. i doubt working those jobs will get you a pension in today's a
ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift
sitting and watchin YouTube while working on my laptop.
You have just reminded me of a Howrse Player. She worked at
a rural library nwhich was rarely visited by anybody, so she
spent most of her time playing Howrse. She joked she was
paid to play online games rather than watch after the
library.
going to work and rent DVD's. I worked for a company called Securitas.
I just bialed out of a position with G4S. The Security Megacorps are the worst. All of em.
Service. A lot of theft goes on there.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Then you weren't doing your job!!! :D ..and spending too much
time watching DVDs. :/
Security Guard fits the bill. Working at a Nursing home is another.
Both will give you competitve wages and pension. By competive wages I
mean $18.00 to $21.00 an hour in NY for mindless work.
hold on now. i doubt working those jobs will get you a pension in today's age. pensions are mostly gone. ---
i assume you mean ups? i worked there for a summer job. i didnt see any theft and we had metal detectors [they loved it when i went through with my work knife from my other job] and they would search your purses, etc.
people are too busy to steal at ups. also only one way in and one way out.
Also, working in a care home setting isn't an easy job. My mum used to work as a nurse in a care home and she always spoke of the health care assistants as being the hardest workers. Not only do you require an infinite level of compassion for people who have lost most of their congative faculties, but you also have to be patient with those who have lost control of their bodily functions. It may not be intellectually stimulating, but it sure sounds like hard work. I would prefer stacking shelves in a shop or warehouse, working asa delivery driver or in security if I were in search of a mindless job.
Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
ONE system to learn and apply.
I know someone who worked as a "professional" librarian for a
number of years after graduation. I asked her what was the most
challenging part of the job. I didn't really get a definitive or
an elaborate answer. The persong hated dealing with people! :)
..and most of the time on the job was spent reshelving books or
relabelling books ..or reading when activity was slow.
today's age. pensions are mostly gone. ---
They do in New York. Maybe not a big one like cops get but they get a penison. All Nursing Home workers get a pension after 5 years of employment. My Security company had it but you had to contribute to it and work there for 15 years.
Yep. I was the guy checking your pockets. Did they have the rule "No Napsacks" or extra bags? The company claims there is a lot of theft. That's why all the security. I personally never found anything on anyone. It's also very uncomfortable looking through someone's shit when you know they are putting in an honest days work. October thru December UPs hires a lot of people for the holiday rush. Thats when things really get hairy. People know it's a "temp" job and take risks cause they just don't care.
MRO wrote to Ogg <=-
i'm never going to retire. i'm going to drop dead on the job. i've seen
it too many times with people: they retire and waste away or get
cancer. ---
Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
ONE system to learn and apply.
I know someone who worked as a "professional" librarian for a
number of years after graduation. I asked her what was the most
challenging part of the job. I didn't really get a definitive or
an elaborate answer. The persong hated dealing with people! :)
..and most of the time on the job was spent reshelving books or
relabelling books ..or reading when activity was slow.
Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
ONE system to learn and apply.
it's a very important job. my mom worked her way up to an adminstrative posi
and people who think they are prisoners.
it's hard work.
regardless, most of what we call 'mindless jobs' require time managment. tim floors at certain times and deal with the worker's bullshit. we had to cover none of the workers at the facility wanted us there cleaning when they were
Oh my. No videos at UPS. Too busy for that. Unless I was
working the night shift checking in the tractor trailers.
The stealing is internal. Emloyees are the thiefs. They
manage to get past all the cameras etc. '-)
well there's no drug tests at ups and most people are part time. so you get druggies. i think the only thing getting stolen at ups is pills. i've seen pills spinning around on the conveyors.
when i was there people had a see through plastic backpack.
ups is one of the worst jobs i've ever had and it's a shitty company. the only good thing there is the healthcare and they pay for college. ---
i'm never going to retire. i'm going to drop dead on the job. i've
seen it too many times with people: they retire and waste away or
get cancer. ---
Agreed! Same here.
Oh my. No videos at UPS. Too busy for that. Unless I was
What do they take most of the time? Small packages that they
can hide on their person somewhere?
Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
By: Ogg to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 2021 10:08 pm
Oh my. No videos at UPS. Too busy for that. Unless I was
What do they take most of the time? Small packages that they
can hide on their person somewhere?
That's the little guys. There was a racket going on between the loaders and drivers. The loaders put "marked" packages in the truck and then the driver would unload them at a pretermined location where someone else picked them up. I don't know all the details but that's what I heard.
..people don't really use libraries anymore, atleast not as
much as they used to use them. -+-
..In order to become an actual Librarian at the university,
you had to have a Masters Degree. Unless you are working
for a small-town library, I think that is true everywhere
(in the US).
My guess is that you have to prove that you know something
about literature.
Also, most large libraries (again, in the USA) use the
Library of Congress catalog system and only have "Dewey
collections" for older books that don't have an LOC number.
At least they did 30 years ago... heck, the LOC may have
been replaced by now. :)
At the university library, when I worked at one of the
desks, the professors were the most difficult people to
deal with by far.
That, and the flashers, restroom peepers, and other
perverts. :O
You have just reminded me of a Howrse Player. She worked at
a rural library nwhich was rarely visited by anybody, so she
spent most of her time playing Howrse. She joked she was
paid to play online games rather than watch after the
library.
Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
ONE system to learn and apply.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks, which
seem to be increasing in interest among seniors.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks, which
seem to be increasing in interest among seniors.
eBook readers often let you increase the font size.
Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook readers
let seniors read a larger variety of books.
Dr. What wrote to Ogg <=-
Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook
readers let seniors read a larger variety of books.
Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks,
which seem to be increasing in interest among seniors.
eBook readers often let you increase the font size.
Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So
eBook readers let seniors read a larger variety of books.
My guess is that you have to prove that you know something
about literature.
Apparently, the dark art the librarian are research skills?
Also, most large libraries (again, in the USA) use the
Library of Congress catalog system and only have "Dewey
collections" for older books that don't have an LOC number.
Yes.. I see a LOC paragraph in some books. And apparently,
different campuses may employ different "call numbers" within
the LOC system.
I still a combination of both systems used in many books.
At the university library, when I worked at one of the
desks, the professors were the most difficult people to
deal with by far.
I can imagine that.
That, and the flashers, restroom peepers, and other
perverts. :O
I would not have guessed that.
eBook readers often let you increase the font size.
Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook readers let seniors read a larger variety of books.
atleast for me, it's just so hard to read a book on a device. i dont know ho
Dr. What wrote to Ogg <=-
Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook readers let seniors read a larger variety of books.
Our library also offers movies and tv shows on DVD for check-out. My
kids love to read so they go for the books at the library. If they find
one worth reading more than once, they'll purchase it. I like going for
the tv shows on DVD and the occasional audio book.
... Reduce brain fat. Eat Moral Fiber.
atleast for me, it's just so hard to read a book on a
device. i dont know how people do it. maybe a kindle with
that special screen is decent enough. -+-
My theory is this... the library was open during many hours
when other public buildings on campus were not, the dorms
were usually secured enough to be off limits to non-
residents, and there were a lot of corners and places to
hide while watching young college students.
I also was working there when the controversy surrounding
"The Satanic Verse" was all over the news. That was an
interesting Summer.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
atleast for me, it's just so hard to read a book on a device. i dont
know how people do it. maybe a kindle with that special screen is
decent enough. ---
I also was working there when the controversy surrounding
"The Satanic Verse" was all over the news. That was an
interesting Summer.
I can't imagine living practically the rest of you life
requiring round-the-clock security. I grabbed a copy of the
book but found it hard to follow - and never finished it.
I love audio books, they're a game changer for me. The
Audible books, although a little pricey at $8 per month, are
professionally voiced and are a joy to listen to. I am
currently working through American Psycho by Bret Easton
Ellis. It's 17 hours long in audio form.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks, which
seem to be increasing in interest among seniors. The libraries
also offer public terminals to access the internet and offer
spaces for community programs.
Zouf wrote to Elf <=-
I love audio books, they're a game changer for me. The Audible books, although a little pricey at $8 per month, are professionally voiced and are a joy to listen to. I am currently working through American Psycho
by Bret Easton Ellis. It's 17 hours long in audio form.
Ogg wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
My theory is this... the library was open during many hours
when other public buildings on campus were not, the dorms
were usually secured enough to be off limits to non-
residents, and there were a lot of corners and places to
hide while watching young college students.
During my time at university, access to campus buildings was
very open too.
Ogg wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
My theory is this... the library was open during many hours
when other public buildings on campus were not, the dorms
were usually secured enough to be off limits to non-
residents, and there were a lot of corners and places to
hide while watching young college students.
During my time at university, access to campus buildings was
very open too.
When I was in college, you needed a university ID card to get in. I know at some larger schools, like Stanford, there's one library open to all, but the specialty libraries (like the law library) were restricted.
were bent out of shape over it. The Gossip was the company was trying to nail one particular employee that had been there a while. So not to single him out they tested everyone. He failed the drug test and fired him. That was the last of drug testing while I was there. I didn't work for UPS. I worked for a Security company that contracted with UPS. The workers looked very unhappy.
Audio books would work better for me if they where more like
radio dramas, with a touch of music in the background and some
special sound effects. Some podcasts add a bit of sound, and
those are excellent.
For the about the same price as you paying now, libro.fm is a
fine alternative with the added bonus that the files you
download are yours to keep - in .mp3 format. Libro.fm is an
independent project designed to support local bookstores.
Mine is https://libro.fm/ashlies. (shameless plug!) :D
There is currently a free audio book promo going on for the next
couple days: https://libro.fm/ibd
I've been listening to a lot of podcasts in the car, which are usually amateur voice talent, and some of them talk *really* fast.
I listened to Into the Plex a while ago, with *professional* voice talent, and as I pulled into my parking spot, heard "End of foreward. Chapter One..."
I've heard some voice talent I like (Jenny Stierlin, who narrates Laurie King's Sherlock Holmes/Mary Russell stories) and some I didn't like.
I still like hearing the author read his/her own story.
True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect
to still need to be productive at something for a while,
hopefully part time.
But to want to be "productive at a mindless task" seems like
an oxymoron. ;)
i'm never going to retire. i'm going to drop dead on the
job. i've seen it too many times with people: they retire
and waste away or get cancer. -+-
i'm never going to retire. i'm going to drop dead on the
job. i've seen it too many times with people: they retire
and waste away or get cancer. -+-
But why does it have to be a job (committed as an employee to
someone) per se? Why can't your time be some occupation that you
might also enjoy? Expand on a hobby task. Expand on any other
But why does it have to be a job (committed as an employee to
someone) per se? Why can't your time be some occupation that you
might also enjoy? Expand on a hobby task. Expand on any other
"interest". That would surely be keep you from wasting away.
I'm totally impressed how non-stop creative this fellow is:
because i like to make money and anybody who enjoys their job is an idiot or a liar
it's not supposed to be fun. that's why they call it work.
also, i've seen people waste away and get cancer after having a life of leisure aft
retiring many times.
they get unhealthy and age quicker.
..Why can't your time be some occupation that you
might also enjoy?..
because i like to make money and anybody who enjoys their
job is an idiot or a liar. it's not supposed to be fun.
that's why they call it work.
i'd rather keep making money than living off my savings and
social security. i dont have any pensions.
also, i've seen people waste away and get cancer after
having a life of leisure after retiring many times. they get
unhealthy and age quicker.
But why does it have to be a job (committed as an employee to
someone) per se? Why can't your time be some occupation that you
might also enjoy? Expand on a hobby task. Expand on any other
"interest". That would surely be keep you from wasting away.
because i like to make money and anybody who enjoys their
job is an idiot or a liar. it's not supposed to be fun.
that's why they call it work.
Let "them" call it work. Why do you have to concede to that? ;)
Zouf wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
perfect and the tone and pace are all over the place. There's one
American guy who reads most of my audio books and he's incredible...
even his female lines are believable. He picks up the tone and pitch of every line of dialogue as you'd imagine in the book. I've not come
across any awful professional talent as yet. I haven't heard any
females either which is strange.
Nopants wrote to Ogg <=-
With the accessibility of 3D printers and raspberry pi / nano devices, there is alot of opportunity for the home hobbiest to make real things.
I could see being occupied by that for some time.
Hey, if you enjoy makig money and your job makes you a lot of money, do you get to be an idiot or a liar for keping that job position? :-P
I agree regarding retired people. This is specially true for city folks who had no life out of their jobs. When people go innactive, they just wither and rot. People who retire and keep active, doing anything, even if it is just tending their gardens and fixing the plumbing of their old houses, those keep themselves very well.
i'd rather keep making money than living off my savings and
social security. i dont have any pensions.
OK.. but if it is something that you enjoy and can make a
difference and can make money off of it, why not do THAT?
Even critics and complainers have managed to make a living out
of being critics and complainers! :D
also, i've seen people waste away and get cancer after
having a life of leisure after retiring many times. they get
unhealthy and age quicker.
I know people like that too. I feel sorry for people like that
since they seem lost when they don't have anyone to tell them
what to do.
Of course I took them home, ripped them off cd, and put them on my phone because I didn't want to deal with swapping discs while I was driving or sitting on the bus.
I had a trial subscription to Audible but I didn't like the fact that I had to pay a) a monthly fee plus b) more for specific books I wanted (assuming I wanted more than the x number I got per month included in the monthly fee, which I did) and c) I didn't get to keep it after having bought it. So I cancelled.
Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a note there about how
Divarin wrote to All <=-
Just this morning I checked again and the entire Audiobook section is empty. The entire Cleveland library system is devoid of audiobooks now
no doubt due to ... well, let's face it, Audible ... I mean, we don't *know* it's Audible's fault but really we do.
Divarin wrote to All <=-
Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a note there
about how certain unnamed audiobook distributors were pressuring the library (actually pretty much all libraries) with various forms of
legal action because they didn't like the fact that people could obtain audio books from the library without going through them ("them" being
the unnamed party).
Not long after that we all got sent home because of Covid but I checked
in with my library's web site from time to time to see if there was any interesting audio books to download or ones I might pick up (I could
have them send them to a library closer to my home in the 'burbs) and
the list of available books got shorter and shorter, eventually it just started showing "No results".
Just this morning I checked again and the entire Audiobook section is empty. The entire Cleveland library system is devoid of audiobooks now
no doubt due to ... well, let's face it, Audible ... I mean, we don't *know* it's Audible's fault but really we do.
hollowone wrote to Divarin <=-
Few years ago I was bigger fan of streaming services. Got myself into Spotify, Netflix with passionate face to have everything available and
not carying about storing.
But I turned back to refresh HDD stash in my Synology and continue
buying DVD, BR, CD if I care about authors or some genuine value or
simply rip these to my library.
What can I tell you.. perhaps old rule 'don't copy that floppy' shouldn't be applicable anymore and you should just go to the right site and grab your ri flac downloaded to your favourite device.
I had a trial subscription to Audible but I didn't like the
fact that I had to pay a) a monthly fee plus b) more for
specific books I wanted (assuming I wanted more than the x
number I got per month included in the monthly fee, which I
did) and c) I didn't get to keep it after having bought it.
So I cancelled.
Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a note
there about how certain unnamed audiobook distributors were
pressuring the library (actually pretty much all libraries)
with various forms of legal action because they didn't like
the fact that people could obtain audio books from the
library without going through them ("them" being the unnamed
party).
Not long after that we all got sent home because of Covid
but I checked in with my library's web site from time to
time to see if there was any interesting audio books to
download or ones I might pick up (I could have them send
them to a library closer to my home in the 'burbs) and the
list of available books got shorter and shorter, eventually
it just started showing "No results".
Just this morning I checked again and the entire Audiobook
section is empty. The entire Cleveland library system is
devoid of audiobooks now no doubt due to ... well, let's
face it, Audible ... I mean, we don't *know* it's Audible's
fault but really we do.
Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a note
there about how certain unnamed audiobook distributors were
pressuring the library (actually pretty much all libraries)
with various forms of legal action because they didn't like
the fact that people could obtain audio books from the
library without going through them ("them" being the unnamed
party).
I've never heard of such a thing here in Canada. Audio books and
even music CDs were a very common item in libraries everywhere.
The one concern may have been that some material was returned
damaged (scratches).
Take a look at libro.fm
Unlike Audible, [1] you CAN keep your purchases after you cancel
membership. [2] The files are .mp3 and non-DRM. [3] You can
PAUSE the membership at any time to avoid the auto-monthly
charge. [4] You never lose your accumulated "credits". [5] There
are numerous offerings a-la-carte for under $10 too. [6] Look up
member book shops and when use their landing pages your purchase
dollars will go to support that indie store.
Mine is: https://libro.fm/ashlies
Re: audio books.. game changer for me
By: Zouf to Ogg on Tue Apr 27 2021 12:56:24
So before Covid happened and I started working from home full time I worked an office building in downtown Cleveland. One of the things I liked to do o my lunch break was walk to the Cleveland library and check out audio books s I'd have something to listen to during my commute.
Of course I took them home, ripped them off cd, and put them on my phone because I didn't want to deal with swapping discs while I was driving or sitting on the bus.
I had a trial subscription to Audible but I didn't like the fact that I had pay a) a monthly fee plus b) more for specific books I wanted (assuming I wanted more than the x number I got per month included in the monthly fee, which I did) and c) I didn't get to keep it after having bought it. So I cancelled.
Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a note there about how certain unnamed audiobook distributors were pressuring the library (actually pretty much all libraries) with various forms of legal action because they didn't like the fact that people could obtain audio books from the library without going through them ("them" being the unnamed party).
Not long after that we all got sent home because of Covid but I checked in w my library's web site from time to time to see if there was any interesting audio books to download or ones I might pick up (I could have them send them a library closer to my home in the 'burbs) and the list of available books g shorter and shorter, eventually it just started showing "No results".
Just this morning I checked again and the entire Audiobook section is empty. The entire Cleveland library system is devoid of audiobooks now no doubt due ... well, let's face it, Audible ... I mean, we don't *know* it's Audible's fault but really we do.
I wouldn't mind so much getting audio books from audible I just don't like their business model. I don't want to stream or rent I want to own. I'm willing to pay for the books I download I just a) don't want to pay a monthl fee just to have access then b) pay to "rent" the book itself. I just simpl want to pay to *own* a copy of the books I want, you know ... like a book st
Ogg wrote to Divarin <=-
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Hello Divarin!
** On Thursday 29.04.21 - 08:36, Divarin wrote to All:
I had a trial subscription to Audible but I didn't like the
fact that I had to pay a) a monthly fee plus b) more for
specific books I wanted (assuming I wanted more than the x
number I got per month included in the monthly fee, which I
did) and c) I didn't get to keep it after having bought it.
So I cancelled.
Take a look at libro.fm
Unlike Audible, [1] you CAN keep your purchases after you cancel membership. [2] The files are .mp3 and non-DRM. [3] You can
PAUSE the membership at any time to avoid the auto-monthly
charge. [4] You never lose your accumulated "credits". [5] There
are numerous offerings a-la-carte for under $10 too. [6] Look up
member book shops and when use their landing pages your purchase
dollars will go to support that indie store.
Mine is: https://libro.fm/ashlies
Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a note
there about how certain unnamed audiobook distributors were
pressuring the library (actually pretty much all libraries)
with various forms of legal action because they didn't like
the fact that people could obtain audio books from the
library without going through them ("them" being the unnamed
party).
I've never heard of such a thing here in Canada. Audio books and
even music CDs were a very common item in libraries everywhere.
The one concern may have been that some material was returned
damaged (scratches).
Not long after that we all got sent home because of Covid
but I checked in with my library's web site from time to
time to see if there was any interesting audio books to
download or ones I might pick up (I could have them send
them to a library closer to my home in the 'burbs) and the
list of available books got shorter and shorter, eventually
it just started showing "No results".
The library system in Canada rolls out its audio versions
through a centralized system. Librararies "purchase" credits for
X-number of books, and are allowed to offer N-number of copies
out at any one time.
Just this morning I checked again and the entire Audiobook
section is empty. The entire Cleveland library system is
devoid of audiobooks now no doubt due to ... well, let's
face it, Audible ... I mean, we don't *know* it's Audible's
fault but really we do.
My local libraries still feature rather extensive DVD
collections primarily obtained as donations.
Audiobooks and ebooks are made available as free downloads.
With the accessibility of 3D printers and raspberry pi /
nano devices, there is alot of opportunity for the home
hobbiest to make real things. I could see being occupied
by that for some time.
I think there's a window of opportunity for a 3d-printing
service. I've seen things I'd like to print, and the
patterns are available online -just, no 3d printer. I'm
sure there'd be a way I could get what I'm looking for and
someone could manage a decent profit out of it.
Just this morning I checked again and the entire Audiobook
section is empty. The entire Cleveland library system is
devoid of audiobooks now no doubt due ... well, let's face
it, Audible ... I mean, we don't *know* it's Audible's fault
but really we do.
You do not need to pay a monthly fee to have access to
Audible's library. The books, however, are inordinately
expensive otherwise so signing up as a paid member is a no-
brainer.
The subscription gives you one free credit per
month with which you can purchase ANY audio book in their
store regardless of the RRP. You will also be given access
to free content and monthly deals, i.e. 50% off of RRP over
a range of books.
You DO get to keep the books that you
purchase even if you cancel your monthly subscription.
Accessing the Audible app isn't dependend on online
connectivity so you will theoretically NEVER lose your
library... as long as the device you're on is working, the
audio books will be available.
I have all my Audible books downloaded on my Kindle and also
my iPad for good measure.
I don't know if they can be ripped and placed onto CDs,
etc... I have never tried the Audible app on a PC.
I had a shortlived Audible subscription. Actually, I wasn't
quite aware I was signing up to a subscription, I though I
was just buying a book very cheap. I feel embarrassed about
that, because I normally am very aware of what I'm doing.
There is a way to get an MP3 from their DRM format, at
least, back a year or two ago, there was. I was able to
convert the audiobook download to MP3.
"Europe's FIRST 3D-PRINTED HOME!
Re: audio books.. game change
By: hollowone to Divarin on Thu Apr 29 2021 21:56:00
What can I tell you.. perhaps old rule 'don't copy that floppy' shouldn't applicable anymore and you should just go to the right site and grab your flac downloaded to your favourite device.
I have done that a few times but what I'd really like to see is the authors distributing their works directly. I want the authors (and whoever read the book for the audiobook, if not the author) to get paid I just don't see the point of middlemen (distributors) in the age of the internet.
I wouldn't mind so much getting audio books from audible I just don't like their business model. I don't want to stream or rent I want to own. I'm willing to pay for the books I download I just a) don't want to pay a monthl fee just to have access then b) pay to "rent" the book itself. I just simpl want to pay to *own* a copy of the books I want, you know ... like a book st
they've defeated all other opposition. It's standard practice, straight out of the playbook.
Divarin wrote to hollowone <=-
What can I tell you.. perhaps old rule 'don't copy that floppy' shouldn't be applicable anymore and you should just go to the right site and grab your ri flac downloaded to your favourite device.
I wouldn't mind so much getting audio books from audible I just
don't like their business model. I don't want to stream or rent I
want to own. I'm willing to pay for the books I download I just a)
don't want to pay a monthly fee just to have access then b) pay to
"rent" the book itself. I just simply want to pay to *own* a copy
of the books I want, you know ... like a book store
I tried selling books on ebay but I found out I was loosing
money so I stopped (I would buy them from the 2 library
systems in my city Houston and then resale them. I was
thinking of opening up an on line thing on facebook (because
it would be less saler costs
The one I read that was horrid was The Circle, with what
sounded like an African-American man with deep "radio"
voice. He was great to listen to, but when he tried to read
the main character's dialog as a high-pitched southern
woman, it fall absolutely flat.
Jenny Stierlin reads Sherlock Holmes mysteries from the
perspective of Mary Russell, Sherlock's companion and later
wife, and it works well for the stories. She has a voice
reminiscent of a younger Judy Dench to me. I think she's
the only female narrator I've heard, but most of my audio
books have been Science Fiction. Maybe it doesn't carry
well.
Let "them" call it work. Why do you have to concede to that?
;)
Actually, there is an experiment according to which they
ruin your hobby when they turn it into a job.
I don't remember the particulars, but I think they got a
bunch of people to solve puzzles or something like that, and
then started paying a control group to solve puzzles. It
turns out that people who considered puzzle solving a hobby
stopped solving puzzles unless they got paid - they stopped
enjoying the hobby aspect.
Hell I should find the source.
I've come across a couple of books with sound effects... off
the top of my head, the new Star Wars novel -- The High
Republic: Light of the Jedi, is fully dramatised with sound
effects such as blasters, explosions and the humming ofstar
ship engines, etc... the more modern Audible books appear to
have a higher budget attached to them. I mostly listen to
classics which don't appear to have this benefit.
I'll take a look at Libro.fm. I have seen some competitors
but I ended up buying into Audible becuase with my Kindle I
was already a part of the Amazon eco-system. Everytime I try
to cancel my subscription I either get a free audio book
token or a 50% off for 3 months deal. That is the reason I
have stuck with Audible for almost 2 years. I get so much
free stuff everytime I try to leave that I attempt to cancel
my subscription every 2 months. Amazon clearly don't want to
lose their foothold in the books market that their
retentions department are willing to go to great lengths to
keep their customers happy.
Re: audio books.. game changer for me
By: Zouf to Divarin on Sun May 02 2021 11:51:50
they've defeated all other opposition. It's standard practice, straight o of the playbook.
Is that playbook available on Amazon? :)
A local 2nd-hand shop tried to use facebook for its inventory.
The picutures were fine and dandy. But I was just looking for a
lamp, for example, I was forced to look through the entire
gallery. There was no way to see *just* the lamps.
Jenny Stierlin reads Sherlock Holmes mysteries from the
perspective of Mary Russell, Sherlock's companion and later
wife, and it works well for the stories. She has a voice
reminiscent of a younger Judy Dench to me. I think she's
Divarin wrote to All <=-
Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a note there
about how certain unnamed audiobook distributors were pressuring the library (actually pretty much all libraries) with various forms of
legal action because they didn't like the fact that people could obtain audio books from the library without going through them ("them" being
the unnamed party).
hollowone wrote to Divarin <=-
But I turned back to refresh HDD stash in my Synology and continue
buying DVD, BR, CD if I care about authors or some genuine value or
simply rip these to my library.
The biggest audio library growth I've spotted on my shelves is actually associated with vinyls. About 20+ arrived to my home in last 2-3 years.
And I cancelled all my subscriptions as my private backup of the
internet services is quite a collection already.
Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-
Actually, there is an experiment according to which they ruin your
hobby when they turn it into a job.
Divarin wrote to hollowone <=-
I wouldn't mind so much getting audio books from audible I just don't
like their business model. I don't want to stream or rent I want to
own. I'm willing to pay for the books I download I just a) don't want
to pay a monthly fee just to have access then b) pay to "rent" the book itself. I just simply want to pay to *own* a copy of the books I want, you know ... like a book store
gallery. There was no way to see *just* the lamps.
you said local right? just type in lamps
That can be a bit of a maintenance nightmare (every 2 months)
for most people. Most people are roped in by the yearly
"membership" fees that promote "1-2 day shipping", and the
streaming services? Once you pay the membership, people are
compelled to make it worth while and keep buying stuff to make
it seem worth it. BUT.. ultimately, the shipping is NOT free -
hence, the membership fee. ;)
But, don't you lose any credits that you have amassed in the
meantime if you cancel later?
With Libro.fm, you can PAUSE your membership, (no recurring
monthly credit fee), and resume when you are ready to buy. Or..
you can continue to pay the monthly, and buy the books you want
with those credits all at once at any time.
I have all my Audible books downloaded on my Kindle and also
my iPad for good measure.
That is very smart. But anything can happen during a Kindle/app
update. They could "update" your collection anyway they see fit
- even deleting controversial titles that you already have.
I don't know if they can be ripped and placed onto CDs,
etc... I have never tried the Audible app on a PC.
Probably not.. since the files are DRM-ed.
But Libro.fm versions are DRM-free and yours to keep and play as
you see fit, with any player you want. I play my files that
I've copied to USB or SSD and plug them into my TV so that I can
crawl into bed and listen from there.
The audio sample is very good. The fellow has good variety,
inflection and articulation. The occassional sounds effects are
used well.
I also enjoy classic old-time radio dramas. They are perfect to
wind-down to in the evenings.
I'll take a look at Libro.fm. I have seen some competitors
but I ended up buying into Audible becuase with my Kindle I
was already a part of the Amazon eco-system. Everytime I try
to cancel my subscription I either get a free audio book
token or a 50% off for 3 months deal. That is the reason I
have stuck with Audible for almost 2 years. I get so much
free stuff everytime I try to leave that I attempt to cancel
my subscription every 2 months. Amazon clearly don't want to
lose their foothold in the books market that their
retentions department are willing to go to great lengths to
keep their customers happy.
That's pretty good if you can minimize the costs per book. If
you can maintain the "50% off" ad infinitum with Audible, why
not?
But the idea with Libro.fm is that you support your local
community, and your books are drm-free and yours to play in
whatever way you want.
Libro.fm has/had a special offer for people switching from
Audible announced in one of their blog posts: "Start your
Libro.fm membership and get two audiobooks for $14.99 using code
SWITCH. After that you'll be charged $14.99 for one credit each
month, and you'll be supporting your local independent bookstore
with your audiobook purchases."
I am not sure if that code is still active.
Book publishers do all sorts of nonsense to libraries. Last
I read they were trying to establish some twisted
skeuomorphic rule that e-books could only be checked out
12-13 times before the library would have to buy a new
license, because physical books only lasted for 12-13
checkouts.
Librarians were incensed, not just because they were
applying invalid old maxims to new systems, but because
they felt like if they could only get 12- 13 checkouts out
of a book they didn't deserve to be called librarians.
They showed books with significant wear, but still sound -
after 100+ check- outs.
It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that wore
out after a certain number of plays.
..I don't sign up to Amazon Prime so my Audible subscription
isn't tied to anything else which is why I can threaten to
leave every couple of months without any problems. I have
accumulated a backlog of around 4 books now so I will
attempt to leave this month... they'll probably throw
another 'too good to be true' deal at me again so I retain
my membership.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I sometimes have a problem with people that have nothern UK
accents.
MRO wrote to all <=-
Re: ..people don't really use
By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 03 2021 05:16 pm
Jenny Stierlin reads Sherlock Holmes mysteries from the
perspective of Mary Russell, Sherlock's companion and later
wife, and it works well for the stories. She has a voice
reminiscent of a younger Judy Dench to me. I think she's
wife? sherlock holmes??! HAH
Arelor wrote to Divarin <=-
Author here.
Distributing content on your own is harder than people think. There is
a reason why authors try to score a deal with a publishing house before they go the self-publishing route.
In order to have a successful campaign with a book, you need the
following things:
* A story to tell.
* Turning the story into a product.
* The ability to distribute product.
* The ability to market product.
Dream Master wrote to Divarin <=-
On a separate note, online models like Vudu, Xfinity, Audible, etc., concern me that if they were to go under, will the products that we own mysteriously go away or will they be transferred to a medium that we
can physically possess? Who knows!
doorstep.
The author also has a series set around a female police investigator in San Francisco in (I think) the 1990s.
They'd make an interesting Netflix series, but the idea of a English man in his 70s marrying a girl in her early 20s might not fly these days.
Dream Master wrote to Divarin <=-
On a separate note, online models like Vudu, Xfinity, Audible, etc., concern me that if they were
go under, will the products that we own mysteriously go away or will they be transferred to a med
that we
can physically possess? Who knows!
There have already been precedents where online purchases disappeared when the companies hosting them went under.
You can suspend your subscription to Audible also, I have
done so in the past. The issue there is that you can only do
it in 3 month intervals and once you've frozen your account
for 3 months, you cannot do it again for another 6 months.
I think it's unecessary and anti-consumer -- I don't
understand why they refuse to let the customer keep their
accumulated credits for later use.
The one good thing is that you can pre-order audio books so
if you do leave and you're waiting on a book, it's still
possible ot get what you want. I guess Amazon are very
insistent that you remain a paying member each and every
month.
..but what I'd really like to see is the authors
distributing their works directly. I want the authors (and
whoever read the book for the audiobook, if not the author)
to get paid I just don't see the point of middlemen
(distributors) in the age of the internet.
I wouldn't mind so much getting audio books from audible I
just don't like their business model. I don't want to
stream or rent I want to own. I'm willing to pay for the
books I download I just a) don't want to pay a monthly fee
just to have access then b) pay to "rent" the book itself.
I just simply want to pay to *own* a copy of the books I
want, you know ... like a book store
I was a user (seller) with Abebooks several years before A-n
acquired them. When I announced that I wanted my account closed,
they tried to entice me to stay. The best they could do was
offer me ONE FREE MONTH. After being a member for nearly 8
years, I thought they could do better than that.
I have a 512GB SD card in my phone and a ton of ripped CDs on it.
And, I'm a stickler for metadata - so, I pulled up my "Party" genre
and set it on shuffle. After about an hour, my friend asked what
service I had - Spotify?
I got to reveal that I had 15,000 songs on my person at all times.
It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that wore out after a certain number of plays.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The very same publishers even offer "Library Editions" of
popular books. Those editions are often constructed much better
than a typical commercial copy.
It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that wore
out after a certain number of plays.
I bet the bigwigs are still kicking themselves for that missed opportunity!
It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that wore out after a certain number of plays.
Someone has already figured out a way to prevent DVDs from playing on certain equipment, like PCs or drives that are capable of R/W. I wouldn't put that past them.
Whoa.. I did not know about the 3-month/6-month pattern with
Audible. I'm trying to educate people who *might* be interested
in an audio alternative (when driving, or when wanting to sit in
a dimmed/darkened room to relax) and enjoy a good telling of a
story. Ultimately, I would think it would be better to "own"
your purchases and be able to play them anywhere and any way you
want - and even maybe share them with other people; Libro.fm
allows that.
I think it's unecessary and anti-consumer -- I don't
understand why they refuse to let the customer keep their
accumulated credits for later use.
Time is money. Audible wants you to use up your credit asap to
increase the likelyhood that you will buy your next product
sooner. But unused credits are eliminated after 1 yr: "Unused
credits carry over to the next month for up to 1 year. "
ref: https://lovelyaudiobooks.info/kindle-unlimited-vs-audible/
The one good thing is that you can pre-order audio books so
if you do leave and you're waiting on a book, it's still
possible ot get what you want. I guess Amazon are very
insistent that you remain a paying member each and every
month.
A-n wants to make you feel dependant on them.
So.. why not subscribe to the Libro.fm model, have the ability
to play on any device, or use any player, keep your files, pause
the membership, retain your credits, and support your local
community?
--
MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Someone has already figured out a way to prevent DVDs from playing on certain equipment, like PCs or drives that are capable of R/W. I wouldn't put that past them.
do people even use dvds anymore?
do people even use dvds anymore?
do people even use dvds anymore?
Yes! I do! It's the best way to get my movies on my computer without consuming too much disk space. And the cost overall is just better to
buy the DVD and digitize it to the hard drive. :-)
PS - I don't care about 4k-8k etc. Even the DVD rips look great over a projector. :-)
Someone has already figured out a way to prevent DVDs from playing on certain equipment, like PCs or drives that are capable of R/W. I wouldn't put that past them.
do people even use dvds anymore?
do people even use dvds anymore?
Yes! I do! It's the best way to get my movies on my computer without consuming too much disk space. And the cost overall is just better to
buy the DVD and digitize it to the hard drive. :-)
MRO wrote to Elf <=-
Yes! I do! It's the best way to get my movies on my computer without consuming too much disk space. And the cost overall is just better to
buy the DVD and digitize it to the hard drive. :-)
i just download it and delete it.
PS - I don't care about 4k-8k etc. Even the DVD rips look great over a projector. :-)
projector? wtf
Dumas Walker wrote to ELF <=-
I am starting to notice that the price for some DVDs is now higher than their blu-ray counterparts. Most still are not, though.
The city where I live they have 1 location that actually has
a kisok to pick up books etc (a michine) open m-f downtown z
I know what Audible use a DRM format which is meant to only
run on their Apps but it's not too big a problem for most
people because the App is available on all major platforms
-- iOS, MacOS, PC and Android.
I can just Bluetooth audiobooks to my car stereo whenever I
am driving which is what I would normally do with music
anyway.
I would argue that you DO get to own your books because even
if you unsubscribe you still get to keep them. I don't
believe there would be any justificaion for Amazon to
retrospectively patch the App to disallow people from plaing
their previously owned audiobooks even if Audible one day
goes under.
Audible also do a $7.95 Plus plan which offers an "all-you-
can-listen" service giving you access to thousands of pre-
selected audiobooks.
..for $14.95 per month, the price of a Libro.fm
subscription, you can have access to both Audible Plus AND
gain a credit which can be used to purchase and keep any
book. There is no doubt that Audible a more cost effective
service than Libro.fm
-- there are pros and cons with both so even though Audib
dominates the distribution of audiobooks by orders of
magnitude, users should consider options and pick whichever
suits their requirements.
do people even use dvds anymore?
projector? wtf
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-home-cinema-880-1080p-3lcd-projector- white/6428460.p?skuId=6428460&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=945&ref=212&loc=1 &ds_rl=1262659&gclsrc=ds
DVDs are also a fine way to share material with other people. A
friend was looking for a collection episodes from a TV show
available on YT, and some TED Talks on particular subjects. The
DVD provided the medium to do that.
** On Thursday 06.05.21 - 07:27, MRO wrote to Dumas Walker:
do people even use dvds anymore?
do people even use dvds anymore?
I do, and I still have plenty of blanks to record on.
Sometimes I use them to make install disks with such as the newer versions of Windows/Linux/etc. Sometimes I use them to burn videos I've streamed from lectures so I can have a copy offline as well.
They're media disks when you get right down to it. While they may not be able to carry the amount of data as the more modern USB thumb drives do they still have their place.
Re: Re: audio books.. game ch
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 05 2021 02:33 pm
It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that wore out after a certai
number of plays.
Someone has already figured out a way to prevent DVDs from playing on certain
equipment, like PCs or drives that are capable of R/W. I wouldn't put that past
them.
do people even use dvds anymore?
I would argue that you DO get to own your books because even if you unsubscribe you
still get to keep them. I don't believe there would be any justificaion for Amazon
retrospectively patch the App to disallow people from plaing their previously owned
audiobooks even if Audible one day goes under.
MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Someone has already figured out a way to prevent DVDs from playing on certain
equipment, like PCs or drives that are capable of R/W. I wouldn't put that past
them.
do people even use dvds anymore?
Yes! I do! It's the best way to get my movies on my computer without consuming too much disk space. And the cost overall is just better to
buy the DVD and digitize it to the hard drive. :-)
Long live the DVD!!!!
PS - I don't care about 4k-8k etc. Even the DVD rips look great over a projector.
... Th-th-th-that's all, folks.
Re: Re: audio books.. game ch
By: Elf to MRO on Thu May 06 2021 09:10 am
do people even use dvds anymore?
Yes! I do! It's the best way to get my movies on my computer without consuming t
much disk space. And the cost overall is just better to
buy the DVD and digitize it to the hard drive. :-)
i just download it and delete it.
PS - I don't care about 4k-8k etc. Even the DVD rips look great over a projector
:-)
projector? wtf
Re: do people even use dvds anymore?
By: Ogg to MRO on Thu May 06 2021 10:35 pm
DVDs are also a fine way to share material with other people. A
friend was looking for a collection episodes from a TV show
available on YT, and some TED Talks on particular subjects. The
DVD provided the medium to do that.
usb flash drive?
They're media disks when you get right down to it. While they may not be able to carry the amount of data as the more modern USB thumb drives do they still have their place.
I remember when 30-something inches was considered a big TV. I have
never felt t he
need for bigger ones myself so that also means I have less of a need for high definition media.
projector? wtf
Hahaha, such a first-worlder thing to say.
It takes me ages to download anything meaningful. If I could get a film downloaded the same day I intend to watch it I might think differently, but when it takes half a month to get a file transfered you stop thinking of data as a disposable asset.
usb flash drive?
DVDs are still cheaper, plus they are less likely to act as vehicles for trojan horses and are more reliable in the long run if properly cared for.
Flash drives are better when you intend to share many small files that
On 07 May 2021, Brian Rogers said the following...
They're media disks when you get right down to it. While they may not be able to carry the amount of data as the more modern USB thumb drives do they still have their place.
their place is copied to a more reliable media and then trashed lol.
dvds are the worst.
On 07 May 2021, Arelor said the following...
I remember when 30-something inches was considered a big TV. I have never felt t he
need for bigger ones myself so that also means I have less of a need for high definition media.
people will buy huge tvs and then adjust their living room to sit further away.. silly imo
Yeah, but I would have to first shell out for an internal BluRay player
for my PC so I could rip those . . . I wonder for how much longer they
will continue to make DVDs and BluRays. Until they stop, I'll keep
collecting from DVDs...maybe BluRay later, but trying to avoid that for
now. :-)
Hello Zouf!
** On Thursday 06.05.21 - 11:41, Zouf wrote to Ogg:
I know what Audible use a DRM format which is meant to only
run on their Apps but it's not too big a problem for most
people because the App is available on all major platforms
-- iOS, MacOS, PC and Android.
True.. as long as the app works and never "breaks" when you need
to upgrade it, fine. But the libro.fm files are not tied to any
app. You can play them any way you like.
I can just Bluetooth audiobooks to my car stereo whenever I
am driving which is what I would normally do with music
anyway.
That is handy for sure. The Audible/Kindle built-in features for
that are well planned out. Libro.fm files can be caste the same
way as long as your favourite device supports it.
I would argue that you DO get to own your books because even
if you unsubscribe you still get to keep them. I don't
believe there would be any justificaion for Amazon to
retrospectively patch the App to disallow people from plaing
their previously owned audiobooks even if Audible one day
goes under.
But it has happened before. Perhaps if people had some of the
controversial Dr.Seuss ebooks, they would have been pulled from
the devices. Those books are nolonger available to buy. The
problem probably doesn't apply to the audio versions because it
was the images that triggered the discontinuance. Other ebooks
have been replaced with censored/redacted/woke versions.
Audible also do a $7.95 Plus plan which offers an "all-you-
can-listen" service giving you access to thousands of pre-
selected audiobooks.
I just remembered that one too. That's a smart one for people
who don't particularly care to keep something once it has been
experienced, but the selection from that catalog is quite large
just the same.
..for $14.95 per month, the price of a Libro.fm
subscription, you can have access to both Audible Plus AND
gain a credit which can be used to purchase and keep any
book. There is no doubt that Audible a more cost effective
service than Libro.fm
One final option that libro.fm has that the others do not. Being
drm-free, people can share an audiobook much like you can a real
book. One family or group doesn't need multiple accounts just to
be able to listen to the same book. That gives "cost effective"
a different meaning. ;)
-- there are pros and cons with both so even though Audib
dominates the distribution of audiobooks by orders of
magnitude, users should consider options and pick whichever
suits their requirements.
It's nice to have options out in the market. One service for
all isn't a good ending.
MRO wrote to Elf <=-
why dont you just buy a large display? for the price of the projector
and the screen you would come out better ---
Arelor wrote to Elf <=-
I remember when 30-something inches was considered a big TV. I have
never felt the need for bigger ones myself so that also means I have
less of a need for high definition media.
Brian Rogers wrote to MRO <=-
I even still have cassettes of recorded radio shows I will never get
rid of. They are master copies of broadcast history that will never get repeated... yet good luck finding a cassette player now.
MRO wrote to Elf <=-
why dont you just buy a large display? for the price of the projector and the screen you would come out better ---
My screen, which I got for free, is 100" diagonally. The only 98" TV at
Best Buy that I see on their web site is $59,999.99. Hmmm....No
thanks. LOL :-)
Brian Rogers wrote to MRO <=-
I even still have cassettes of recorded radio shows I will never get rid of. They are master copies of broadcast history that will never get repeated... yet good luck finding a cassette player now.
Won't those lose their quality over time?
MRO wrote to Elf <=-
My screen, which I got for free, is 100" diagonally. The only 98" TV at
Best Buy that I see on their web site is $59,999.99. Hmmm....No
thanks. LOL :-)
yeah but your resolution is still shit because it's projecting at 1080p
Elf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Won't those lose their quality over time?
My screen, which I got for free, is 100" diagonally. The
only 98" TV at Best Buy that I see on their web site is
$59,999.99. Hmmm....No thanks. LOL :-)
So.. why not subscribe to the Libro.fm model, have the ability
to play on any device, or use any player, keep your files, pause
the membership, retain your credits, and support your local
community?
Long live the DVD!!!!
PS - I don't care about 4k-8k etc.
Even the DVD rips look great over a projector. :-)
Re: Audible v Libro.fm
By: Ogg to Zouf on Wed May 05 2021 09:21:00
So.. why not subscribe to the Libro.fm model,
. .. and support your local community?
Should I subscribe to my grocery store to buy food? Should I subscribe to the gas station to fuel up or to a book store to buy a book?
What ever happened to just buying stuff, then owning it. And that's the end of it.
I don't want to have to sit down and do math to calculate whether or not it's in my best interest to enter into a long-term contract with a merchant just to have the privilage of buying from them. You have a product? just sell it and be done with it.
i lived in a tiny house with a girlfriend and she had to get the biggest tv and then later she just had to have a soundbar for it and the sound basically beat the shit out of us.
At 100", I'd have to back off to the other end of the house.
fusion wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
They're media disks when you get right down to it. While they may not be able to carry the amount of data as the more modern USB thumb drives do they still have their place.
their place is copied to a more reliable media and then trashed
lol.
dvds are the worst.
MRO wrote to Arelor <=-
DVDs are still cheaper, plus they are less likely to act as vehicles for trojan horses and are more reliable in the long run if properly cared for.
Flash drives are better when you intend to share many small files that
why would there be a trojan horse on it?
i've been around a long time. i've used floppies, cds, dvds.
i dont know why you guys prefer dvds over flash drives.
So, you think a USB drive is "more reliable" than a DVD?
dvds are the worst.For what? The purpose is the most important part of a sweeping generality like that.
Won't those lose their quality over time?
They will however how much quality is lost depends on
environment, grade of tape, and the player you're using. A
DBX encoded cassette on an audiophile grade player won't
lose as much as say a $25 portable player and low grade
tape :) It's not that difficult to convert the audio to
digital if you have the setup to do such.
They're media disks when you get right down to it. While
they may not be able to carry the amount of data as the more
modern USB thumb drives do they still have their place.
or you can just save a lot of time and money and use a usb
drive
That's a good point you made about being able to share your non-DRM audiobooks with friends and family.
but smaller companies like Libro.fm need to be supported
long term because they don't have a trillion dollar company
behind them. I can even forsee something like an Amazon
takeover occurring if they hit a rough patch and their
shareprice drop W
DVDs are also a fine way to share material with other
people. A friend was looking for a collection episodes from
a TV show available on YT, and some TED Talks on particular
subjects. The DVD provided the medium to do that.
usb flash drive?
Brian Rogers wrote to Elf <=-
They will however how much quality is lost depends on environment,
grade of tape, and the player you're using. A DBX encoded cassette on
an audiophile grade player won't lose as much as say a $25 portable
player and low grade tape :) It's not that difficult to convert the
audio to digital if you have the setup to do such.
Hextor wrote to Ogg <=-
Should I subscribe to my grocery store to buy food? Should I subscribe
to the gas station to fuel up or to a book store to buy a book?
What ever happened to just buying stuff, then owning it. And that's the end of it.
I don't want to have to sit down and do math to calculate whether or
not it's in my best interest to enter into a long-term contract with a merchant just to have the privilage of buying from them. You have a product? just sell it and be done with it.
Re: Audible v Libro.fm
By: Zouf to Ogg on Thu May 06 2021 11:41 am
I would argue that you DO get to own your books because even if you unsub still get to keep them. I don't believe there would be any justificaion f retrospectively patch the App to disallow people from plaing their previo audiobooks even if Audible one day goes under.
YOu only own the books as long as the provider has no licensing issues with platform is not EOLed, of the provider decides to EOL their application from platform.
These days people does not care for these things, but I have books in my hom date from the 19th century and I am sure many digital goods covered by DRM w survive in a family even half they did.
--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
fusion wrote to Gamgee <=-
So, you think a USB drive is "more reliable" than a DVD?
i don't recall making a recommendation for something more
reliable.
dvds are the worst.
For what? The purpose is the most important part of a sweeping
generality like that.
you take life a little to seriously i think lol
The very same publishers even offer "Library Editions" of
popular books. Those editions are often constructed much
better than a typical commercial copy.
I just noticed "Library copy" in the description of some of
the kids' textbooks I bought online.
It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that
wore out after a certain number of plays.
Isn't that how those Redbox DVDs work? Time limited
playback?
I was so impressed with the producion value of The Light of
the Jedi that I pre-ordered the next book in the High
Republic series. I hope it's also voiced well with sound
effects, etc... The only other audio book I have in my
collection that's similar is the Terry Pratchet: BBC Radio
Drama Collection. It's a collection of 4 Discworld books
adapted to each be around 2-3 hours long which are fully
voiced by an ensemble cast.
Well you can't have the $3.99 per month subscription running
indefinitely. Audible switch your retention rewards from 3
months at 50% off to a free credit and allow you to freeze
your account for 3 months also. I've also seen them throw in
credit deals for members such as 3 for $15.
Audible gives the customer bang for buck as it's a lot
cheaper than the competition AND they throw a lot of free
stuff at you if you know how to play the game.
Libro.fm is obviously more expensive but they do represent a
more honest company.
Amazon will quite happily support Audible, subsidize them
and hemorrhage money if needs be so long as they destroy the
competition in the end.
After that then they'll probably hike up their prices,
remove controvertial authors from their libraries and stop
offering discounts to retain customers.
Should I subscribe to my grocery store to buy food? Should
I subscribe to the gas station to fuel up or..
DVDs are 480 lines (SD, or Standard Def). I have a 1080p
projector on a 108" screen and even 720p is noticeably
degraded from 1080p on it. Even my kids are like - what the
hell is this crap, Dad? when I project anything less than
720p on it.
And yes, I have a 4K TV too, but I'm not eager to upgrade
all the bits needed to support 4K everywhere. --
DVDs are still cheaper, plus they are less likely to act as vehicles for trojan horses and are more reliable in the long run if properly cared for
Flash drives are better when you intend to share many small files that
why would there be a trojan horse on it?
Brian Rogers wrote to MRO <=-
I even still have cassettes of recorded radio shows I will never get rid of. They are master copies of broadcast history that will never get repeated... yet good luck finding a cassette player now.
Won't those lose their quality over time?
... You aren't here forever, enjoy each day as a miracle.
Re: Audible v Libro.fm
By: Ogg to Zouf on Wed May 05 2021 09:21:00
So.. why not subscribe to the Libro.fm model, have the ability
to play on any device, or use any player, keep your files, pause
the membership, retain your credits, and support your local
community?
Should I subscribe to my grocery store to buy food? Should I subscribe to t gas station to fuel up or to a book store to buy a book?
What ever happened to just buying stuff, then owning it. And that's the end it.
I don't want to have to sit down and do math to calculate whether or not it' in my best interest to enter into a long-term contract with a merchant just have the privilage of buying from them. You have a product? just sell it an be done with it.
I don't see how a platform holder could nuke an app on an operating system s as iOS. As long as it can operate independently from being online there is n reason you won't be able to use it even if it's EOL'd on the AppStore. It ju means that the app is no longer available for download along with all the bo that you own.
These days people does not care for these things, but I have
books in my hom date from the 19th century and I am sure
many digital goods covered by DRM w survive in a family even
half they did.
I don't see how a platform holder could nuke an app on an
operating system such as iOS. As long as it can operate
independently from being online there is no reason you won't
be able to use it even if it's EOL'd on the AppStore. It
just means that the app is no longer available for download
along with all the books that you own.
At lot of people are not going to be bothered preserving the
digital property that they own so a lot of games and books,
etc... are going to become near impossible to get ahold of
in say 50-100 years time.
I have a delightful collecion of old books also... my oldest
one is from 1814. :-)
It takes me ages to download anything meaningful. If I could get a film
downloaded the same day I intend to watch it I might think differently,
but when it takes half a month to get a file transfered you stop
thinking of data as a disposable asset.
just move where you have decent internet. i couldnt live like that.
but smaller companies like Libro.fm need to be supported
long term because they don't have a trillion dollar company
behind them. I can even forsee something like an Amazon
takeover occurring if they hit a rough patch and their
shareprice drop W
Are they public?
Libro.fm is very enthusiastic. I hope they don't give up. They
have a respectable business ethic. They really want to support
indies with the audio product. They KNOW that indies, such as my
biz, are a valuable marketing resource; I can recommend a
particular title - suggest an audio option - and the customer is
likely to check it out to get the drm-free version *and* support
an indie.
They're already affecting FedEX, Purolator and the existing
postal services, big time. Early in the shipping game, A-n was
using those services. Now, A-n is using their own version of
delivery services. This is dramatically affecting the viability
of the aforementioned delivery services.
A-n wants you to think that they are the ONLY place to shop.
After that then they'll probably hike up their prices,
remove controvertial authors from their libraries and stop
offering discounts to retain customers.
If they are the only game in town, they can do whatever they
want. By then, nobody will care because there will be nothing
viable to counter A-n.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that
wore out after a certain number of plays.
Isn't that how those Redbox DVDs work? Time limited
playback?
I thought rebox operated just like blockbuster rentals. You're
penalized when you don't return them on time. They just used
standard DVDs.
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I still play the occassional cassette that I've produced (circa
mid-80's to mid 90's) from when I purchased LPs (to preserve
them). I enjoy my collection of "themed" cassettes and/or full
albums. They sound a bit different since I don't have the
original cassette recorder anymore, but with little tweeks of
treble and bass, they still sound pretty good.
Elf wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Yeah, I converted all my tape cassettes - well, the few I had left - to digital in 2007. Man. Time flies.
Re: Re: audio books.. game ch
By: MRO to fusion on Fri May 07 2021 12:46 pm
i lived in a tiny house with a girlfriend and she had to get the biggest tv and then later she just had to have a soundbar for it and the sound basically beat the shit out of us.
You had to pay extra for a volume control?
--
digital man
I don't have unlimited highspeed internet at home.
And, I don't have a tv that supports usb directly. I solved that
And the connection to the tv is by using composite
video.
video. The tv is also connected to a dvd player. I'll flip
I don't have unlimited usb drives at the ready either. But I
and take that home with me. When home, I copy the .mp4 to a usb
drive that cooperates the best with my media player, and reuse
But loading up a rw-dvd and then later transferring the files I
want to watch on a reliable usb (which I keep plugged in to the
media player) is the best solution.
for trojan horses and are more reliable in the long run if properly cared for
Flash drives are better when you intend to share many small files that
why would there be a trojan horse on it?
Back in my college days, it was common to share notes and college related executables using USB drives. Some person, often the professor, would prepare the drive and give it to a student, who would download the contents
just move where you have decent internet. i couldnt live like that.
We don't all live in a trailer home! <g>
The life expectancy of a mobile device is 3 years. 4 for a
laptop. If you are a microhiphead you can extract much more
time out of those, but most people don't.
Distributing content on your own is harder than people think. There is a rea why authors try to score a deal with a publishing house before they go the self-publishing route.
In order to have a successful campaign with a book, you need the following things:
* A story to tell.
* Turning the story into a product.
* The ability to distribute product.
* The ability to market product.
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Someone has already figured out a way to prevent DVDs from playing on certain equipment, like PCs or drives that are capable of R/W. I
wouldn't put that past them.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I just noticed "Library copy" in the description of some of
the kids' textbooks I bought online.
I'm referring to actual editions that designed for Libraries vs
the consumer. I guess the proper term is "Library binding".
Ogg wrote to Zouf <=-
I was a user (seller) with Abebooks several years before A-n
acquired them. When I announced that I wanted my account closed,
they tried to entice me to stay. The best they could do was
offer me ONE FREE MONTH. After being a member for nearly 8
years, I thought they could do better than that.
Ogg wrote to Zouf <=-
Audible. I'm trying to educate people who *might* be interested
in an audio alternative (when driving, or when wanting to sit in
a dimmed/darkened room to relax) and enjoy a good telling of a
story. Ultimately, I would think it would be better to "own"
your purchases and be able to play them anywhere and any way you
want - and even maybe share them with other people; Libro.fm
allows that.
Hextor wrote to Ogg <=-
Should I subscribe to my grocery store to buy food? Should I subscribe
to the gas station to fuel up or to a book store to buy a book?
What ever happened to just buying stuff, then owning it. And that's the end of it.
Ogg wrote to Hextor <=-
Should I subscribe to my grocery store to buy food? Should
I subscribe to the gas station to fuel up or..
People are already doing that with their affinity/points cards.
Arelor wrote to Zouf <=-
That content can be nuked from the device is a fact with many
platforms. Amazon has nuked books and Steam has nuked videogame soundtracks.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I think some GTA game in Steam had to remove actual music from the soundtrack because the licenses for the music expired. In practice this means a product you purchased gets crippled past its expiration date because of some license agreement the hosting company keeps.
Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-
My father-in-law. He believes that the government is tracking him when
he uses a Blu-Ray that connects to the internet. I told him to remove
the wireless configuration from his Blu-Ray player; he did.
Afterwards, he told me that the Blu-Ray disk reactivates the wireless adapter.
I give up.
Elf wrote to MRO <=-
Yes! I do! It's the best way to get my movies on my computer without consuming too much disk space. And the cost overall is just better to
buy the DVD and digitize it to the hard drive. :-)
Dumas Walker wrote to ELF <=-
I am starting to notice that the price for some DVDs is now higher than their blu-ray counterparts. Most still are not, though.
Elf wrote to MRO <=-
PS - I don't care about 4k-8k etc. Even the DVD rips look great over a projector. :-)
projector? wtf
Elf wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Yeah, but I would have to first shell out for an internal BluRay player for my PC so I could rip those
fusion wrote to Arelor <=-
people will buy huge tvs and then adjust their living room to sit
further away.. silly imo
Elf wrote to Arelor <=-
Agreed. We have a 100" projector screen we use when we want the movie feel. The flat panel TV is 55" for regular family viewing. But, most of the time we find ourselves watching shows on computer screens or 10" tablets. I don't need super high definition content. I'm glad though
since it also saves disk space. :-)
Digital Man wrote to Ogg <=-
At 100", I'd have to back off to the other end of the house.
Nah, it's surprisingly awesome even within 10 ft. But you do need a darkened "theater room" for the right experience. --
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I still play the occassional cassette that I've produced (circa
mid-80's to mid 90's) from when I purchased LPs (to preserve
them).
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
I rarely produce a playable dvd anymore; that was when usb
drives were still rather expensive.
Arelor wrote to MRO <=-
Back in my college days, it was common to share notes and college
related executables using USB drives. Some person, often the professor, would prepare the drive and give it to a student, who would download
the contents to his computer and then hand the drive to another
student, and so on until everybody had a copy of everything.
do people even use dvds anymore?
DVDs Don't Crash.
Take care of them and they'll last a lot longer than a hard drive.
So today I checked on the Cleveland library's site again and the
audiobooks are back!
I don't have any official information about what happened
but my guess is that they were defending themselves and
spending legal costs to do it then covid happened and
financial priorities shifted so maybe they just caved and
took all of their audiobooks out of circulation until they
had the resources to defend their right to distribute them.
Anyway as of this morning, at least, audiobooks are back up
on their web site some on CD and some downloadable.
Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a
note there about how certain unnamed audiobook
distributors were pressuring the library (actually
pretty much all libraries) with various forms of legal
action..
I've never heard of such a thing here in Canada. Audio books and
even music CDs were a very common item in libraries everywhere.
The one concern may have been that some material was returned
damaged (scratches).
"Them" could be Apple. Apple is now in some hot water in
the EU because of some anti-competitive policies they
have, with Spotify in particular. If they do it with music
apps, I would not doubt that they are doing the same with
audio-book apps.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Elf <=-
DVDs Don't Crash.
Take care of them and they'll last a lot longer than a hard drive.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Elf <=-
Lately, going out at work to lunch, getting takeout, eating in my car
and watching movies on my 6" phone mounted on the dash seems more the norm. I've somehow managed to keep my car clean this whole time.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Elf <=-
I got a tiny little LED projector for Christmas last year. We just finished landscaping the garden and have a perfect patch of wall for having outdoor movies for the kids. Looking forward to it, but don't
know how bright these new projectors are. We'll find out soon!
Amazon deleted user-licensed copies of "1984" and "Animal
Farm" from their customer's Kindles. Relevant to point out
that you don't purchase digital items from Amazon, you
purchase a license to use, subject to terms and
conditions.
I got rid of my cassette collection as I picked up CD or
MP3 copies to replace them. The last one I replaced was a
TDK MAR/90 tape from 1985 or so, the kind that had the
metal frame and plastic faceplates screwed into it.
http://realitycheckbbs.org/images/mar90.jpg
Big old heavy hunka thing, it took a good push of the
eject button in my car stereo to get it out. But, it
sounded great 20+ years later.
Vintage Check: Side 1 was Tear for Fears "The Hurting",
side 2 Roxy Music, "Avalon".
I rarely produce a playable dvd anymore; that was when
usb drives were still rather expensive.
I went through a fun phase where I'd make playable DVDs.
Making the top menu, including graphics and music was an
enjoyable hobby. For the life of me, I can't think of what
app I used - maybe that Roxio app that came with old DVD
burners?
That content can be nuked from the device is a fact with many platforms. Ama has nuked books and Steam has nuked videogame soundtracks. If you purchased game with a certain soundtrack at a given date you may find that a Steam pus update voids it one day. Sure, there are ways to fight against this, but at this point you are fighting against the platform, which is a counterproducti thing to do.
As for he survivability of the content after the platform itself is nuked fr the store, I suppose that depends on the platform. Afaik these thigns are designed so products you purchased are only available in devices on which yo have installed the client software and on which the client software is linke to your account. If the client software is EOLed from the store, maybe, _maybe_, depending on the aplication, you can keep using the stuff you purchased on your devices.
Until the devices get toasted, because there is no mechanism to migrate the content over to new devices when linked to EOLed applications.
The life expectancy of a mobile device is 3 years. 4 for a laptop. If you ar microhiphead you can extract much more time out of those, but most people don't.
Kobo does it in a sneaky way.
If someone uses the pc/desktop app to shop and DL books, that app will always check for app updates first. If it detects an update, the user is *forced* to acknowledge and grab the update - otherwise you can't use the app properly.
I just triggered my Kobo DT app. Friggin' thing consumed 13MB of my precious mobile data too. :/
After the update check, the app performs a sync. That's where the supplier can optionally adjust your collection. They can pull a controversial book
or replace it with a woke copy.
One *can* try to operate the Kobo DT app offline, but the autocheck announcement will always cover part of the screen.
At lot of people are not going to be bothered preserving the
digital property that they own so a lot of games and books,
etc... are going to become near impossible to get ahold of
in say 50-100 years time.
It's probably the same mindset for tangible things. We like to keep and
hold on to stuff (for the memories they trigger) yet rarely reuse them.
Those are all good points I didn't consider. I guess I was just thinking of the distrubution since we were on that topic with audible's subscription mod but I wasn't considering the editing and marketing. Especially the marketin Creative types are rarely good salesmen and salesmen are rarely creative, except maybe in coming up with creative ways to market :)
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Someone has already figured out a way to prevent DVDs from playing on certain equipment, like PCs or drives that are capable of R/W. I wouldn't put that past them.
If only they spent their time and energy making original content instead...
... The plains of Leonis are burning.
But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app can be
obtained directly from the source?
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
We don't all live in a trailer home! <g>
lot of digital content will disappear due to hardware failures. I think you' a little bit off though regarding the lifespan of computers, laptops and mov devices -- I have a laptop that's 16 yars old and was used extensively for 1 of those years and it's still in perfect working condition... I haven't replaced the HDD or anything. I think high quality tablets, due to their sol state, should last well over 10-15 years of use. Computers and mobile device can pretty much be stored indefinitely also which is why we still see workin machines from the 70s and 80s. HDDs are the weak point as they only tend to last 25-30 years before they require serious maintenence or are completely unfixable. This is why a lot of retro machines from the late 80s and early 9 are now booting from SSDs rather than their original HDDs.
consume and move onto the next product. This is why DVD/Blu-Ray sales are completely tanking... no one wants to pay $15 for a DVD when they could have months of all-you-can eat access to movies via a Netflix subscription.
Yep. We are watching movies (and other videos) all over the place now,
not just in our home, definitely not just in a theatre. Although my
family is now fully vaccinated, we still have not returned to the movie theatre. Not sure when we will - probably need a compelling reason to
go back. For now, we are enjoying movie night at home.
Should I subscribe to my grocery store to buy food? Should I
subscribe to t gas station to fuel up or to a book store to buy a
book? What ever happened to just buying stuff, then owning it. And
that's the end it.
Apple has no business intimidating libraries. Libraries source
from publishers. Apple is just another "client" like a
library, except they, Apple sell to the end user, and libraries
do not.
But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app can be
obtained directly from the source?
Someone has already figured out a way to prevent DVDs from playing on certain equipment, like PCs or drives that are capable of R/W. I wouldn't put that past them.
If only they spent their time and energy making original content instead...
Priced an MFM drive lately? PC-100 memory? :)
There's a point where it's cheaper to get a generation previous to the top
of the line, but wait too long and it gets expensive. I had an old computer that had more then enough CPU to spare, but not enough memory. I could buy a new barebones computer for the price of the memory.
Instead of getting 12 years out of it, I think I'll get 2 years, then buy something new and hand this one down to my wife as her system is now too expensive to upgrade. :)
Amazon deleted user-licensed copies of "1984" and "Animal Farm" from their customer's Kindles. Relevant to point out that you don't purchase digital items from Amazon, you purchase a license to use, subject to terms and conditions.
You can't make this kind of news up.
"The retailer will still wipe an e-book if a court or
regulatory body orders it, [..]
Therefore it is in the best interests for the seller's app to
have the ability to call the mother ship and purge your device
as desired.
It's probably the same mindset for tangible things. We like
to keep and hold on to stuff (for the memories they
trigger) yet rarely reuse them.
..I reckon you could easily get close to 2 books from
Audible for the price of 1 book from Libro.fm. Now you
might never truly OWN that audiobook, but most people won't
take that aspect into consideration.
People just want to consume and move onto the next product.
This is why DVD/Blu-Ray sales are completely tanking... no
one wants to pay $15 for a DVD when they could have 2
months of all-you-can eat access to movies via a Netflix
subscription.
Ownership is now overrated. The problem is that thrift
stores and swap meets are going to be full of bugger all in
the near future as everything is considered disposable and
things that were previously tangible are now intangible.
But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app
can be obtained directly from the source?
The big problem here is that iOS is designed to run things
Apple allows _only_.
That is a big problem if you want to run a program that
competes with Apple directl¤y. You end up competiong
against _your platform provider_. It is like being a seller
for Amazon when Amazon can start selling the same product
you do on their own. It is a war you are never going to
win.
But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app
can be obtained directly from the source?
I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was
trying to lock down iOS to force people to go through
their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the
EU putting up with that.
I still think it is ironic that the titles removed were
"1984" and "Animal Farm." :O
We don't all live in a trailer home! <g>
Please don't disrespect trailer homes...
after all Vicky Bartelomo is quite babalicious <BEG>
As somebody in a literary workshop once said: "You have to
put your heart in your book as if it was the most important
thing for you, then you have to go out and sell it as if
you were selling a second hand dishwahser."
..You start researching for things that your business needs
and you start getting lots of advice written by sales
people, who is just trying to sell you their services.
Quoting Mro to Elf <=-
the whole movie theater deal is a bad business model. i thought things were going to improve when they added alcohol and food but no... it
was expensive alcohol and food. -!-
Quoting Dumas Walker to Ogg <=-
I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to
lock down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.
Digital Man wrote to Ogg <=-
At 100", I'd have to back off to the other end of the house.
Nah, it's surprisingly awesome even within 10 ft. But you do need a darkened "theater room" for the right experience. --
Have you (or anyone here) read up on backlighting? It seemed like having the TV backlight the wall it was on was supposed to help improve the look of the picture.
the whole movie theater deal is a bad business model. i
thought things were going to improve when they added
alcohol and food but no... it was expensive alcohol and
food. -+-
Zouf wrote to Ogg <=-
There is always the ever present danger that non-DRM free platforms can alter or remove products via client updates. It's a cost/benefit in the end in relation to the end user.
Now you might never truly OWN that audiobook, but most people
won't take that aspect into consideration. People just want to consume
and move onto the next product.
Arelor wrote to Zouf <=-
consume and move onto the next product. This is why DVD/Blu-Ray sales are completely tanking... no one wants to pay $15 for a DVD when they could have months of all-you-can eat access to movies via a Netflix subscription.
This is what is going to obliterate the movie industry.
Dr. What wrote to Zouf <=-
That's not entirely true. I agree that most people just want to pay a
few dollars to watch a movie once (and for most Hollywood stuff, that's all it's worth). But what happens when the movie you want to watch is
no longer on NetFlix because of a spat between companies? Or worse,
that the Cancel Culture wants to cancel your favorite movie? (Ever see Disney's Song of the South? You won't here in the U.S.)
Moving to get-it-on-demand puts companies in control of whether or not they allow you see that content. And companies have a bad track record
of censorship, especially today.
Re: Audible v Libro.fm
By: Arelor to Hextor on Sun May 09 2021 07:11 am
Should I subscribe to my grocery store to buy food? Should I
subscribe to t gas station to fuel up or to a book store to buy a
book? What ever happened to just buying stuff, then owning it. And
that's the end it.
I hate this subscription crap going on in the online stores. "Prime on Amazon" is $120 per month or
when they have a "discount". You get free shipping but there's no way I buy enough products that need
$120 dollars for delivery.Ebay has better deals and most sellers offer free shipping. The only thing i
there's little accountability at Ebay. Amazon has much better customer service then Ebay. Ebay is just
hub for thousands of sellers from all over the world. Amazon will refund your money in a Jiffy. Ebay
supports the sellers. Not the buyers. Subscription? I don't think so. I don't see what I can gain payi
subscription fees.
... Advertising is legalized lying.
I'm referring to the distribution part. Is an iOS developer
forced to only use the iStore to distribute/sell their app?
Quoting Mro to Elf <=-
the whole movie theater deal is a bad business model. i thought things were going to improve when
they added alcohol and food but no... it
was expensive alcohol and food. -!-
Agreed. Going out to the movies has become an expensive, with almost amusement-park-like fees. I mean
. . yeah, just too expensive.
... (C)ontrol (A)lt (B)ye
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
after all Vicky Bartelomo is quite babalicious <BEG>
Ok.. I don't get the reference, but.. whatever.
Brian Rogers wrote to Ogg <=-
Hey Ogg;
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
after all Vicky Bartelomo is quite babalicious <BEG>
Ok.. I don't get the reference, but.. whatever.
You've never watched the show "America's Got Talent"? She was one of
the comics and her theme was "Trailor nasty". If you search for her on YouTube you'll find some of her bits. Very funny - and even funnier
live OFF of the TV cameras :)
Arelor wrote to Elf <=-
I thought the point of cinemas wasn t watching the movie, but making
out with your girlfriend in the backrow :-P
Arelor wrote to HusTler <=-Amaz
I hate this subscription crap going on in the online stores. "Prime on
on" is $120 per month or
Wow, Prime is expensive over there! I think it is 36 eur per year in Spain. It is actually cost effective and you only have to offer your
soul to Amazon in the bargain :-P
You've never watched the show "America's Got Talent"? She was one of the comics and her theme was "Trailor nasty". If you search for her on YouTube you'll find some of her bits. Very funny - and even funnier live OFF of the TV cameras :)
Vicky Barbolak is her name... my bad there.
I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to
lock down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.
I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are
trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.
I hate this subscription crap going on in the online stores. "Prime on Amazon" is $120 per month or $99 when they have a "discount". You get free shipping but there's no way I buy enough products that need $120 dollars for delivery.Ebay has better deals and most sellers offer free shipping. The only thing is there's little accountability at Ebay. Amazon has much better customer service then Ebay. Ebay is just a hub for thousands of sellers from all over the world. Amazon will refund your money in a Jiffy. Ebay supports the sellers. Not the buyers. Subscription? I don't think so. I don't see
Wow, Prime is expensive over there! I think it is 36 eur per year in Spain. It is actually cost effective and you only have to offer your soul to Amazon in the bargain :-P
That said, is is easy to get free deliveries or discounts in Spain from most e-commerces anyway, which makes Amazon's offer less desirable. In
Amazon deleted user-licensed copies of "1984" and "Animal Farm" from their customer's Kindles. Relevant to point out that you don't purchase digital items from Amazon, you purchase a license to use, subject to terms and conditions.
You can't make this kind of news up.
I wonder what made them choose those two titles to delete?
* SLMR 2.1a * The Word of the Day is "Legs." Spread the word.
I still think it is ironic that the titles removed were "1984" and "Animal Farm." :O
We don't all live in a trailer home! <g>
Please don't disrespect trailer homes...
Not at all! MRO probably has a very nice one. ;)
after all Vicky Bartelomo is quite babalicious <BEG>
Ok.. I don't get the reference, but.. whatever.
Quoting Mro to Elf <=-
the whole movie theater deal is a bad business model. i thought things were going to improve when they added alcohol and food but no... it
was expensive alcohol and food. -!-
Agreed. Going out to the movies has become an expensive, with almost amusement-park-like fees. I mean . . . yeah, just too expensive.
Hello MRO!
** On Monday 10.05.21 - 15:35, MRO wrote to Elf:
the whole movie theater deal is a bad business model. i
thought things were going to improve when they added
alcohol and food but no... it was expensive alcohol and
food. -+-
I did not realize that theatres had add booze. Is that
throughout an entire chain? ..or is it in select states as
well?
I thought the point of cinemas wasn t watching the movie, but making out with your girlfriend in the backrow :-P
A real life example of this screwup: https://docs.scummvm.org/en/latest/other_platforms/ios.html
Notice the "Free Developer account" is crappy as heck and
only works for testing. --
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
found and watched one where she gives an answer to simon when he asks "what would you do with a million dollars if you won (AGT)?" answer:
i'd buy a trailer and move closer to you (simon)"
yes.. the whole bit was very funny. will settle down with vickie and watch her stuff from 2018 shortly.
I hate this subscription crap going on in the online stores. "Prime on Amazon" is $120 per month or $99 when they have a "discount".
The RIAA is horrendous when it comes to licensing music. Google WKRP and
My guess is that they probably just took down the catalog to
avoid an onslaught of requests while they wiped and disinfected
the cases before making them available again.
Maybe ask someone as to what the story behind the take-down
was?
Elf wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yeah, thanks to the "cancel culture" of the day, I have been collecting all my favorite media from the past - in Non-DRM contaminated form, of course - before it gets "canceled."
We obviously are not teaching history in our schools/homes today
that as you move back in time, you find not just different people, but different cultures among people in different regions of the country.
Sure, what is not acceptable today was yesterday so everything needs to
be reviewed and understood *in the context* of the time period it took place. Don't look down upon or judge harshly those from the past, but learn from them and be thankful for how far we have come. I think that
is what should be taught today instead of, "Oh my! How offensive, erase the past! Erase the past!"
MRO wrote to Elf <=-
the whole movie theater deal is a bad business model. i thought things were going to improve when they added alcohol and food but no... it was expensive alcohol and food.
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
In the case of blu-ray, I would not mind buying one expect (1) I have never really noticed a quality difference (but the price difference
could nullify that)
Arelor wrote to Zouf <=-
I wonder if the creative bankrupcy we are in, with heavy reuse and
abuse of franchises, remakes and sequels, is a symthom of this, or just
a parallell phenomenom.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
I did not realize that theatres had add booze. Is that
throughout an entire chain? ..or is it in select states as
well?
I hate this subscription crap going on in the online stores. "Prime o Amazon" is $120 per month or $99 when they have a "discount".
Pretty sure that's an annual fee, not monthly.
Hello Arelor!
** On Tuesday 11.05.21 - 09:35, Arelor wrote to Ogg:
A real life example of this screwup: https://docs.scummvm.org/en/latest/other_platforms/ios.html
Notice the "Free Developer account" is crappy as heck and
only works for testing. --
Yes:
"Note
"If you have a free Apple developer account, each build will
only be valid for 7 days, which means you will need to repeat
these steps and rebuild ScummVM every week.
But ScummVM has no issues like this on the other platforms,
right?
--
I hate this subscription crap going on in the online stores. "Prime on
Wow, Prime is expensive over there! I think it is 36 eur per year inAmazon Prime is actually $120/year (not month).
Arelor wrote to Zouf <=-
I wonder if the creative bankrupcy we are in, with heavy reuse and abuse of franchises, remakes and sequels, is a symthom of this, or just a parallell phenomenom.
I always heard it was marketing AI. Get this star and this director in this franchise/reboot, pay X
dollars, and you'll be guaranteed to make X times 3
in revenues. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Compare with a critically acclaimed but untested director, an unknown star, and a new story - the ris
is much higher.
... Observe the procedures of a general alert.
Divarin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The RIAA is horrendous when it comes to licensing music. Google WKRP and
WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's,
WKRP in Cincinnati.
amazon prime is 119/ a YEAR, not month
if you order more than 2 things a month, it pays for itself.
Having a beer or glass of wine is nice, rather then 64 oz. of ice and flavored water for 5 cents more than the 48 oz. cup.
The movie theaters are going to find that unless they raise their game, they're going to have a harder time than before, since we all upgraded our TVs in 2020.
Re: Re: Audible v Libro.fm
By: Elf to Arelor on Tue May 11 2021 10:14 am
I hate this subscription crap going on in the online stores. "Prime on
Wow, Prime is expensive over there! I think it is 36 eur per year inAmazon Prime is actually $120/year (not month).
Oooops. Typo?? ;-) Prime is $120 per year too much. lol
Nah. I can buy for much less on Ebay. I just need to be more selective who I buy from. With ebay I have to open a case and wait for a decision. Amazon is no questions asked. The seller provides a tracking number and that means I got it? Bull dinky! If I say I didn't get it, I didn't get it. Now I buy from sellers that provide pictures of the delivery. Now that's smart. In my area there is so much theft going on (mostly from UPS) I need to see where my stuff is delivered.
When I was in high school, we read Orwell's 1984. I
highly doubt that any student would be allowed to read
that today. Even the indoctrinated would realize that
it's being used as a manual for the Lefties today.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
When I was in high school, we read Orwell's 1984. I
highly doubt that any student would be allowed to read
that today. Even the indoctrinated would realize that
it's being used as a manual for the Lefties today.
I sold a healthy amount last year at my shop, and primarily to
young people.
MRO wrote to HusTler <=-
Nah. I can buy for much less on Ebay. I just need to be more selective who I buy from. With ebay I have to open a case and wait for a decision. Amazon is no questions asked. The seller provides a tracking number and that means I got it? Bull dinky! If I say I didn't get it, I didn't get it. Now I buy from sellers that provide pictures of the delivery. Now that's smart. In my area there is so much theft going on (mostly from UPS) I need to see where my stuff is delivered.
your tracking number shows where it went and when it was delivered.
maybe you should buy a camera for where you have dropoffs or rent a
cheap PO box and get deliveries there. ---
The RIAA is horrendous when it comes to licensing music. Google WKRP and
WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's, WKRP in Cincinnati.
maybe you should buy a camera for where you have dropoffs or rent a cheap PO box and get deliveries there. ---
Does UPS deliver to PO boxes now?
Divarin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's,
WKRP in Cincinnati.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I could have 90 Anthony Hopkins films if they were original films, but
I can't have 90 remakes of a Hopkins film even if they switch to a different famous actor each time.
fusion wrote to Digital Man <=-
their movie selection is a bit different though. a bit like if netflix
has Jackie Chan, Amazon gets Jean-Claude Van Damme.
Elf wrote to Divarin <=-
...and such a funny show it was. :-)
Divarin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's, WKRP in Cincinnati.
Exactly. They had such a hard time releasing it for syndication, because they had to license every song playing in the background.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I could have 90 Anthony Hopkins films if they were original films, but I can't have 90 remakes of a Hopkins film even if they switch to a different famous actor each time.
Oh, god.
Vin Diesel in "Silence of the Lambs".
Channing Tatum in "The Bounty".
... From nothing to more than nothing
MRO wrote to Elf <=-
there's atleast one in each city.
i didnt mean us postal box.
i dont even know why someone would use those.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Elf <=-
I finally found a copy of the movie FM, which a lot of the characters
in WKRP seem to be cribbed from. Great live performances in the movie, great 70s rock soundtrack, and the theme song by Donald Fagen.
WKRP is now on one of the streaming services and I watched the pilot recently. The scene where Dr. Johnny Fever comes alive mid-shift is priceless.
Exactly. They had such a hard time releasing it for syndication, because they had to license every song playing in the background.
are you sure about that because you can legally play x seconds of any video or
ong on a tv show. especially with context of the show, it is arguable it's not
eing used wrong.
are you sure that's just not some made up internet myth? i've seen it in syndi
tion just fine.
Yeah, I don't know why we still use the US Postal Service at all. It's terrible. We even contacted Amazon recently and asked if there was
anyway they could flag our account to NEVER deliver through the US
Postal Service because the packages are ALWAYS delayed or sometimes delivered to the wrong address. They said, "No." :-(
There is a full series DVD version out now that has most of the music restored, but not all of it. Pink Floyd's "Dogs" no longer plays as big a role in the Thanksgiving episode, for example. Ironic, because I believe it was present in an earlier syndicated version that had other music missing.
There is a full series DVD version out now that has most of the music restored, but not all of it. Pink Floyd's "Dogs" no longer plays as big a role in the Thanksgiving episode, for example. Ironic, because I believe i
was present in an earlier syndicated version that had other music missing.
i dont even remember much music being played in that show.
i dont even remember much music being played in that show.
You're kidding, right?
Re: Re: audio books.. game ch
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat May 15 2021 10:33 am
i dont even remember much music being played in that show.
You're kidding, right?
i remember the bumper music being played when they'd walk into the dj
room.
i've seen the show a lot. it's a shitty show. it's not exactly recorded
i dont even remember much music being played in that show.
You're kidding, right?
i remember the bumper music being played when they'd walk
into the dj room.
i've seen the show a lot. it's a shitty show. it's not
exactly recorded
okay i downloaded a show from season 3. it's basically
what i described here. there was low playing music during
their conversations in the dj booth..
really not chocked full of music. i think you guys are
remembering it wrong.
You're not alone. I don't recall any memorable music either,
despite it being a sitcom being about the people at a radio
station. Maybe the laugh tracks obliterated most of the "music
in the background" most of the time?
There are other episodes that are as MRO describes them... the music is hardly noticable. Some of that, I suspect, depends on whether or not you recognize the song, or whether or not you were a fan of the show. MRO has admitted he was not so he probably doesn't notice it as much.
OGG wrote to <=-
do people even use dvds anymore?
I do. I don't have streaming services as an option. DVDs
(purchased or my own burned discs) are the only solution for me.
DVDs are also a fine way to share material with other people. A
friend was looking for a collection episodes from a TV show
available on YT, and some TED Talks on particular subjects. The
DVD provided the medium to do that.
FUSION wrote to ARELOR <=-
I remember when 30-something inches was considered a big TV. I have
never felt t he
need for bigger ones myself so that also means I have less of a need for high definition media.
people will buy huge tvs and then adjust their living room to sit
further away.. silly imo
ELF wrote to HEXTOR <=-
AMEN!!!! Tired of everyone trying to get me to become part of THEIR recurring revenue stream.
POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to ELF <=-
PS - I don't care about 4k-8k etc. Even the DVD rips look great over a projector. :-)
projector? wtf
I got a tiny little LED projector for Christmas last year. We just finished landscaping the garden and have a perfect patch of wall for having outdoor movies for the kids. Looking forward to it, but don't
know how bright these new projectors are. We'll find out soon!
POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to OGG <=-
I rarely produce a playable dvd anymore; that was when usb
drives were still rather expensive.
I went through a fun phase where I'd make playable DVDs. Making the top menu, including graphics and music was an enjoyable hobby. For the life
of me, I can't think of what app I used - maybe that Roxio app that
came with old DVD burners?
ELF wrote to <=-
Agreed. Going out to the movies has become an expensive, with almost amusement-park-like fees. I mean . . . yeah, just too expensive.
DUMAS WALKER wrote to ELF <=-
I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to lock down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.
I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.
It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for
some of these practices.
DIVARIN wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
The RIAA is horrendous when it comes to licensing music. Google WKRP and
WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's,
WKRP in Cincinnati.
POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to <=-
The movie theaters are going to find that unless they raise their game, they're going to have a harder time than before, since we all upgraded
our TVs in 2020.
DUMAS WALKER wrote to ELF <=-
I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to lock down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.
I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.
It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for some of these practices.
It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.
I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.
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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to ELF <=-
AMEN!!!! Tired of everyone trying to get me to become part of THEIR recurring revenue stream.
So I guess you don't want to join my Patreon? :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to ELF <=-
Agreed. Going out to the movies has become an expensive, with almost amusement-park-like fees. I mean . . . yeah, just too expensive.
There are still things I plan to experience on the big screen,
preferably opening night. :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.
It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for
some of these practices.
It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.
I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.
I have working computers that are much older than 16 years. I know this sort equipment can be made to last and be kept in operational condition for long.
The issue with computer survivability is that not everybody is a BBS person can keep using the same computer for all eternity.
My numbers seem harsh until you realize the people here are not the average consumers. The average consumer loses a smartphone to obsolescence or market hype earlier than the phone falls appart. This is specially true because man phones will develop data storage issues - run out of necessary room to store the operating system and crucial programs - after just a few years of use.
It is the same with laptops, specially low cost ones. A laptop you are actua using will have its bettery fried in 2-4 years in the hands of somebody who does not follow good practices. The _really_, _really_ low cost ones will develop data storage issues just as the smartphones do, at which point avera users just discard them and get a new one. The non-low-cost ones will last longer, but eventually will lack RAM or GHzs enough to power the new shiny g of the year and will be put in the dumpster soon after.
Keep in mind that, for an average consumer, a device that cannot perform a t deemed usual at a given time (such as running Windows 800 in 2050) is not fi for service and, consequently, as good as broken. Off to the dumpster it goe
My numbers come from a talk with a guy doing hardware provisioning at a data center. He actually expected mobile devices to last 2 (!) years before falli to obsolescence and laptops to last 4 before falling to a combination of obsolescence and fixable hardware failures. If they last more, that is great but when you buy a phone for 500 USD, he said you should be thinking you wer paying 250USD +ISP fees per year in phone use.
For the record, this guy rotates server hardware for HPC applications once every 4 or 5 years.
This is what is going to obliterate the movie industry.
The movie is no longer worth 15 bucks from the producer's point of view. It worth a tiny fraction of the subscription fee the consumer is paying. There heavy devaulation at work here.
The producer is going to be forced to produce more films in order to keep up , each worth less than the film after, and therefore we are going to see a b shift in the quantity vs quality spectrum in film making. Since each film is not worth peanuts, the producer is not going to spend peanuts in it either, with some counted exceptions.
I wonder if the creative bankrupcy we are in, with heavy reuse and abuse of franchises, remakes and sequels, is a symthom of this, or just a parallell phenomenom.
When I was younger, there were also films in the making that I was eager to released. When films where released, they stood in theatres for quite a long time. Not, theatres rotate movies so fast that if you blink you will miss them,but it does not matter to me, because it was probably a movie I didn't want to watch :-(
Hello Zouf!
** On Monday 10.05.21 - 11:55, Zouf wrote to Ogg:
It's probably the same mindset for tangible things. We like
to keep and hold on to stuff (for the memories they
trigger) yet rarely reuse them.
..I reckon you could easily get close to 2 books from
Audible for the price of 1 book from Libro.fm. Now you
might never truly OWN that audiobook, but most people won't
take that aspect into consideration.
Ah.. but with the Libro.fm option, you can have a copy ready to
play at home on the hi-fi and one in the car cd-player ready
when you hop into the car to drive, and on a portable device -
and extra copies for "family". ;)
People just want to consume and move onto the next product.
This is why DVD/Blu-Ray sales are completely tanking... no
one wants to pay $15 for a DVD when they could have 2
months of all-you-can eat access to movies via a Netflix
subscription.
Ahh.. but the internet connection is not free for a service
suitable for streaming movies. For the audio downloads, 300MB
to 400MB per book max, any free wi-fi hotspot will do.
For Netflix, you have to add the fibe/cable/Starlink price per
month. ;) Over the course of a year, that's still pretty
expensive for a couple of movies per week. I can probably buy
a mix of the same new and used DVDs for much less in the same
time period.
Ownership is now overrated. The problem is that thrift
stores and swap meets are going to be full of bugger all in
the near future as everything is considered disposable and
things that were previously tangible are now intangible.
But that indeed seems to be the trend. Many people are in the
mode to purge stuff faster as they approach retirement years.
Young people are fine with a-la-carte viewing and never keeping
copies taking it for granted that they could always get it
again from then 'net at any time.
Correct. But in many instances the companies offering DRM contaminated eBoo are committing fraud.
They offer an eBook for "sale" and charge a paper book price for such a sale But they aren't selling an eBook. They are selling you a limited use licens to read the eBook for certain time frame (which may be limited by the licens or by the life of the company).
When a library wants to let me borrow an eBook that expires. That makes sen
They aren't offering a sale. They are offering a borrow and everyone has t expectation that the eBook will stop being readable by a certain time.
I've told authors/publishers that my rule is: If your content is contaminate with DRM, it's worth $1 - and that's only so I can watch/read it now instead borrowing it from the local library for free.
Now you might never truly OWN that audiobook, but most people
won't take that aspect into consideration. People just want to consume and move onto the next product.
That's not entirely true. I agree that most people just want to pay a few dollars to watch a movie once (and for most Hollywood stuff, that's all it's worth). But what happens when the movie you want to watch is no longer on NetFlix because of a spat between companies? Or worse, that the Cancel Cult wants to cancel your favorite movie? (Ever see Disney's Song of the South? won't here in the U.S.)
Moving to get-it-on-demand puts companies in control of whether or not they allow you see that content. And companies have a bad track record of censorship, especially today.
Yep - that's what he is referring to... In the original broadcasts they
used 'real' music, but they didn't have/buy the rights to perpetual streaming, or DVD's, which didn't exist at the time.
So now if you stream them they don't have the original music.
2. I wouldn't really count the cost of the internet service in regards to the cost of steaming
conent. I don't think I've known people prior to Netflix to NOT have an internet connection. It'
necessity nowaways. You have an internet connection and also the ability to steam video via a
subscription service. You DO get a lot more for your money than previous times, but I have seen
many people sign up to all the subscription services -- Netflix, Disney and Prime along with
specialist services such as Crunchyroll, etc... the cost builds up.
Zouf wrote to Dr. What <=-
I think this kind of mindset is going to bite a lot of people in the
ass.
Netflix continually rotate movies and TV shows as licence agreements expire and either get renewed or not. There are many films I've watched
on Netflix that are no longer available to me.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to ELF <=-
AMEN!!!! Tired of everyone trying to get me to become part of THEIR recurring revenue stream.
So I guess you don't want to join my Patreon? :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DIVARIN <=-
So now if you stream them they don't have the original music.
Dr. What wrote to Zouf <=-
It already has. Many people got burned when they bought into DRM
schemes only to have the DRM servers shutdown when the company decided
to not support it anymore. And it's not the little guys. Amazon and Microsoft have taken money and left people with nothing.
On 05-17-21 08:35, Elf wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Well, honestly, now that you mention Patreon, that is different. While
I have not joined anyone's Patreon at this point, I must admit I have never discounted the idea. I think because joining someone's Patreon
would be more personal to me, more like supporting one of my peers who
are doing something I really appreciate and want to see continue. It
feels different than a corporation - *not* that I am a corporation
hater. I do pay for some services monthly like Spotify, Disney+ (annually), Amazon Prime (annually), and Hulu. I just don't want to add
to that list - I don't want EVERYTHING to become a monthly payment that
I feel obligated to pay. :-)
... The answer is easier when the question is hypothetical.
On 05-14-21 09:48, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for
some of these practices.
It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.
I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.
On 05-14-21 09:51, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
And with services like HBO Max showing movies WHILE they are in the theater... That's a game changer too!
I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.
For a phone, I don't mind it. I want my phone to "just work", and Apple is
On 05-19-21 15:45, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That would be fine if Apple did actually "just work".
I don't think it works as advertised.
I do as much family and workplace support per capita for Android as for Apple, which to me suggests none is superior to the other in that
regard. Apple is more shiny, but also chokes when trying to do certain common tasks (I remember once its email client hung the whole phone
trying to connect to a particular SMPTD server that was standard compliant).
I think "just works" has become a meaningless monicker as of late.
Every vendor attaches the tag to their products.
I think that is only half truth.
I quote a friend of mine: "The reason Spanish ISPs are not complaining again that they know they would not sell decent Internet subscriptions if they did
Maybe most people would have Internet access if they didn't stream or torren cheaper Internet subscriptions. There are only three reasons to purchase mas
* Streaming and downloading torrents and Usenet warez like crazy.
* Playing games (and then, it is more of an issue with latency than bandwidt * Running Internet facing services that are bandwidth intensive.
The Internet plan I am using to post this message costs me less than 15 buck wanted to stream movies from here I would have to upgrade from this cheapo p the current offer but I think it would put me in the 60 bucks league. With t fair to say streaming would cause me a 60 - 15 = 45 eur/month in data overco
Zouf wrote to Dr. What <=-
I think this kind of mindset is going to bite a lot of people in the ass.
It already has. Many people got burned when they bought into DRM schemes on to have the DRM servers shutdown when the company decided to not support it anymore. And it's not the little guys. Amazon and Microsoft have taken mon and left people with nothing.
Netflix continually rotate movies and TV shows as licence agreements expire and either get renewed or not. There are many films I've watched on Netflix that are no longer available to me.
At least in the case of Netflix, you understand that you are only renting content. They make that pretty clear. Unlike Amazon who says that you are "buying" that DRM-contamined eBook.
... A jerk present in a group indicates a jerk in charge.
Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed May 19 2021 10:05 am
I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.
For a phone, I don't mind it. I want my phone to "just work", and Apple
That would be fine if Apple did actually "just work".
I don't think it works as advertised.
I do as much family and workplace support per capita for Android as for Appl which to me suggests none is superior to the other in that regard. Apple is more shiny, but also chokes when trying to do certain common tasks (I rememb once its email client hung the whole phone trying to connect to a particular SMPTD server that was standard compliant).
I think "just works" has become a meaningless monicker as of late. Every ven attaches the tag to their products.
-- "Words said so often that they lack any meaning." Starlight Glimmer, My Little Pony.
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I disagree. I don't know which generation of Apple phone you have used but the phones released since 2016 really do "just work". I have never experienced an operating system so optimised, user friendly and uncluttered. I am on my third Apple phone now and I can count the number of hang-ups I've had since 2016 on one hand. I have a lot of experience on high quaity Samsung phones, Notes and Galaxys, as they are the chosen mobile devices at my work place and I have experienced hard crashes, sluggish performance, random glitches and things of that nature. Android is no where near as clean and optimised as iOS in my opinion.
I disagree. I don't know which generation of Apple phone you have used but the phones released
since 2016 really do "just work". I have never experienced an operating system so optimised, use
friendly and uncluttered. I am on my third Apple phone now and I can count the number of hang-up
I've had since 2016 on one hand. I have a lot of experience on high quaity Samsung phones, Notes
and Galaxys, as they are the chosen mobile devices at my work place and I have experienced hard
crashes, sluggish performance, random glitches and things of that nature. Android is no where ne
as clean and optimised as iOS in my opinion.
Vk3jed wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Now that would be great to have here. My partner isn't one for cinema trips these days (long story), so we're effectively discriminated
against by the media companies. Paying (even with a premium) to see something that's still in cinema release while at home would be a great option for us.
Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I do as much family and workplace support per capita for Android as for Apple, which to me suggests none is superior to the other in that
regard. Apple is more shiny, but also chokes when trying to do certain common tasks (I remember once its email client hung the whole phone
trying to connect to a particular SMPTD server that was standard compliant).
it. Braces, mortgage, guitar lessons, all that fun stuff.
I have a $100 Android phone, my daughter has a Chromebook, and my wife and I have 2 used Windows desktops. I've got a 10-year old laptop that runs Linux well.
Yeah, Apple products are pretty, but the cost is prohibitive.
... How does this work, is there an orientation?
On 05-20-21 07:13, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I would love to be able to pay $100 or so to stream a new release at my home. You could make it play at a certain time, lock it down however,
make it so it wouldn't rewind/pause like a movie theater, or do
whatever to separate it from plain old pay-per-view, anything - but to
be able to have a moviehouse-like experience with friends would be
great.
Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu May 20 2021 07:18 am
it. Braces, mortgage, guitar lessons, all that fun stuff.
I have a $100 Android phone, my daughter has a Chromebook, and my wife and I have 2 used Wind
desktops. I've got a 10-year old laptop that runs Linux well.
Yeah, Apple products are pretty, but the cost is prohibitive.
... How does this work, is there an orientation?
one thing that i personally have notices is this:
ex girlfriend has a daughter. she needs to have a cellphone to keep in contact with mom.
iphone was replaced 6 times due to damage from age 10-13
one time it dropped out of her pocket when getting out of the car and screen shattered. i've
dropped my android phone hundreds of times. still good.
she got an android phone and a case for it and it wasnt damaged again.
I don't even have cases for mine. A caseless phone you take care off will die from obsolescence before it dies from damage. I say this as somebody whose phones are his horses' favorite toys.
Maybe I am just a mean cheapstake, but paying for a case is against my religion. Phones should be reasonably resistent to damage out of the box without the user having to make an additional investment - and, surprise, most are.
Zouf wrote to Dr. What <=-
The ALL digital future is near.
ELF wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Agreed. Going out to the movies has become an expensive, with almost amusement-park-like fees. I mean . . . yeah, just too expensive.
There are still things I plan to experience on the big screen,
preferably opening night. :-)
Agreed. For what I consider "blockbuster" movies, yeah. The theatre is fun. I am not ready to go back yet, but I think I will be by fall of
this year depending on what the world looks like in relation to this pandemic.
Our family has a long history of attending the theatre for big, fun
family movies especially sci-fi movies or big Disney releases. I'm sure we'll want to get back to reliving those memories soon despite the high financial cost. :-)
ELF wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.
I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.
I ran all Apple gear from 2004 to 2015. It really is just one of the
Their M1 chip is one development that would temp me back to a Mac,
POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
AMEN!!!! Tired of everyone trying to get me to become part of THEIR recurring revenue stream.
So I guess you don't want to join my Patreon? :-)
You could start your own patreon and have everyone's recurring revenue stream be a part of your recurring revenue stream. How delightfully Meta...
POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
So now if you stream them they don't have the original music.
Hold me closer, Tony Danza...
VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for
some of these practices.
It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.
I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.
For a phone, I don't mind it. I want my phone to "just work", and
Apple is really good at that. For a desktop or a laptop, I want more flexibility to be able to install software from wherever I want. Of course, if I choose to use that flexibility to shoot myself in the
foot, that's my own stupid fault. :D
I disagree. I don't know which generation of Apple phone you have used but the phones released since 2016 really do "just work".
i'm through with samsung phones and tvs.
ex girlfriend has a daughter. she needs to have a cellphone to keep in contact with mom.
iphone was replaced 6 times due to damage from age 10-13
one time it dropped out of her pocket when getting out of the car and screen shattered. i've dropped my android phone hundreds of times. still good.
she got an android phone and a case for it and it wasnt damaged again.
Quoting Jimmy Anderson to Elf <=-
Yeah - I recently replaced my work MacBook Air with an M1 chip model - WOW! Better performance as far as the chip, but also on the battery!
Quoting Jimmy Anderson to Elf <=-
Our family has a long history of attending the theatre for big, fun
family movies especially sci-fi movies or big Disney releases. I'm sure we'll want to get back to reliving those memories soon despite the high financial cost. :-)
Well, you get what you pay for. :-) So if you're paying for the
experience and it is worth what you pay, then there you go. :-)
Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: MRO to Zouf on Thu May 20 2021 09:55 am
i'm through with samsung phones and tvs.
I like their TVs and computer monitors. What brands are you liking more than Samsung?
--
I have 3 daughters (14-19): each has lost or broken (cracked, water damaged) at least 2 iPhones. The oldest is probably on her 6th iPhone already. Meanwhile, I've had 2 iPhones, dropped a few times, never broken, never lost. And yeah, they all have cases, but occassionally they would remove the phone from the case for some reason and of course, drop it.
On 05-21-21 10:03, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
For a phone, I don't mind it. I want my phone to "just work", and
Apple is really good at that. For a desktop or a laptop, I want more flexibility to be able to install software from wherever I want. Of course, if I choose to use that flexibility to shoot myself in the
foot, that's my own stupid fault. :D
Like I said to someone else, I get that, and there was a day I would
have felt the same way, so more power to you. :-)
Zouf wrote to Dr. What <=-
The ALL digital future is near.
But it doesn't have to be on the Corporate terms.
If I want to read an eBook, or play a game, and I don't care about being abl to redo that year year, and the price is right for that effective-one-time u then DRMed content is fine.
Personally, I think it all comes down to value. If the paper book (yes, the still make those) is $20, but the DRM-contamined eBook version is the same, then that's a poor value and people will shy away.
As more people get burned by not being able to access their DRMed content (without any compensation), they will turn away from these sources. The mar will always have an alternative.
And remember: It only takes 1 person to break the lock to let everyone have content for free. And if customers feel cheated by DRMed content, they won' have any compulsion against taking it for free.
... "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Freud
Arelor wrote to MRO <=-
Maybe I am just a mean cheapstake, but paying for a case is against my religion. Phones should be reasonably resistent to damage out of the
box without the user having to make an additional investment - and, surprise, most are.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to ELF <=-
Yeah - I recently replaced my work MacBook Air with an M1 chip model - WOW! Better performance as far as the chip, but also on the battery!
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
infact tonight i dropped my phone in a bar and people thought i dropped
a gun or some weapon because it made such a loud noise. i said 'it's
my phone' and they said sorry it's probably broke. i tell them no, i
have a good case [which it's an ok case, got special].
We may be kicking off a cross-platform desktop initiative at work - and "We", I mean "I". Right now, we're all Windows but we have an opportuni to open things up to Linux, BSD and Mac. I need to get familiar with Ma
It seems like you're a bit late to the party here... BUT, you may be right o time. When we first pushed non-windows in my corporation, the hipster mac guys (I use a mac, but don't tell anyone... oops)... all told everyone about their macs, but everyone of them needed `fusion` or something else to run th killer windows apps. So, at least for a few years, we were "no longer microsoft", but every alternative was running just as many microsoft apps.
Today, with so much cloud-based SAAS, I can get away without fusion, vmware, etc... but I still ocassionally run into another killer app that needs me to fire up a copy of weendoze.
lol
Minimal Investment. There are just two windows computers in premises, one managing radiodiagnostics equipment that supports nothing else, and anothe dealing with Government web programs that understand Internet Explorer onl
Lupine Furmen wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
The oldest I have are some 8-track tapes (even still have a player),
then I have audio cassettes (and a player) as well regular audio CD's.
As for DVD's, I use them because I can take them to work with me to
watch them since I can no longer plug in my portable HD or a thumb
drive to my computer at work.
... I look better on a woman!
As for DVD's, I use them because I can take them to work
with me to watch them since I can no longer plug in my
portable HD or a thumb drive to my computer at work.
You can watch movies at work?!? What AREN'T you doing when
you're watching a movie? :D
Lupine Furmen wrote to Ogg <=-
You can watch movies at work?!? What AREN'T you doing when
you're watching a movie? :D
I'm a gate guard, so there is a lot of down time. Mostly spent
watching YouTube, at least until I can get a new laptop so I can
play my games while there. :)
I'm a gate guard, so there is a lot of down time. Mostly
spent watching YouTube, at least until I can get a new
laptop so I can play my games while there. :)
But..... if you're doing that stuff, are you actually
"guarding the gate"? Does the employer know of these
activities, and allow it?
Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm a gate guard, so there is a lot of down time. Mostly
spent watching YouTube, at least until I can get a new
laptop so I can play my games while there. :)
But..... if you're doing that stuff, are you actually
"guarding the gate"? Does the employer know of these
activities, and allow it?
He's probably not the gun-toting variety. But even if so, I
can imagine there's probably a lot more non-action going on
than some steady stream of traffic. So.. if you all you can
otherwise do is stare into space, why not have a tv or
something.
Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm a gate guard, so there is a lot of down time. Mostly
spent watching YouTube, at least until I can get a new
laptop so I can play my games while there. :)
But..... if you're doing that stuff, are you actually
"guarding the gate"? Does the employer know of these
activities, and allow it?
He's probably not the gun-toting variety. But even if so, I
can imagine there's probably a lot more non-action going on
than some steady stream of traffic. So.. if you all you can
otherwise do is stare into space, why not have a tv or
something.
Well.... because if you're watching TV, you'll likely miss the person sneaking past the gate.
If you're being paid to guard a gate, that's what you should be doing.
... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
But..... if you're doing that stuff, are you actually "guarding the gate"? Does the employer know of these activities, and allow it?
Well.... because if you're watching TV, you'll likely miss the person sneaking past the gate.
I finally found a copy of the movie FM, which a lot of the characters in WKRP seem to be cribbed from. Great live performances in the movie, great 70s rock soundtrack, and the theme song by Donald Fagen.I want to watch more music related movies. I got the movie 24 hour party
MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I want to watch more music related movies. I got the movie 24 hour
party people about the music scene in Manchester UK (Happy Mondays/New Order) which was pretty good.
I'll likely put a movie wish list of stuff i need to get physical or digital copies of.
ELF wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Yeah - I recently replaced my work MacBook Air with an M1 chip model - WOW! Better performance as far as the chip, but also on the battery!
Yeah. I'll probably just wait for the same type of tech to trickle down
to the PC gear. :-) Apple. Everyone's RD department. ;-)
ELF wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Our family has a long history of attending the theatre for big, fun
family movies especially sci-fi movies or big Disney releases. I'm sure we'll want to get back to reliving those memories soon despite the high financial cost. :-)
Well, you get what you pay for. :-) So if you're paying for the
experience and it is worth what you pay, then there you go. :-)
Yeah, I told my family for my birthdays and holidays, I don't want "things" i want memories. So now they usually give gifts like movie
gift cards, dining gift cards etc and then I use those to go out and
have fun with the family. Best use of money. :-) I got enough "stuff".
POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Back when I worked in a Mac shop, people complained about the MBA's
lack of ports. Now, everyone's caught up. :)
We may be kicking off a cross-platform desktop initiative at work - and
by "We", I mean "I". Right now, we're all Windows but we have an opportunity to open things up to Linux, BSD and Mac. I need to get familiar with MacOS again, maybe I should use that to justify getting a Mac in the office this summer. :)
ARELOR wrote to LIGHTMAN <=-
Cheap Hardware With Minimal Investment. There are just two windows computers in premises, one for managing radiodiagnostics equipment that supports nothing else, and another for dealing with Government web programs that understand Internet Explorer only.
Quoting Jimmy Anderson to Elf <=-
Now 'stuff' that also makes memories... We like to purchase and use firearms, I'm a big game player - those are still "stuff" things, but
have memories tied to them. :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to ARELOR <=-
That's a big issue here too - coding for IE instead of universal
or generic...
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to ARELOR <=-
That's a big issue here too - coding for IE instead of universal
or generic...
I'd hoped those days were gone. We ended up rolling out VMWare Fusion, a remote desktop farm and excess Windows licenses because our home-brewed HR system relied on running on IE. This was 2011 or so, and by 2014 everything was browser-agnostic with a preference to Chrome and Safari.
Re: do people even use dvds a
Quoting Denn to Lupine Furmen <=-
Re: do people even use dvds a
I buy DVD movies cheap then put them in MKV or MPEG4 and put them on
my home server.
I have close to 1000 movies I can watch on any TV in my home via home network streaming.
I can't do it long-term (more than an 45min or so at a time)
when reading from a traditional LCD computer screen. But the
eReader devices and their e-ink displays are a much better
experience. I have a 1st generation Kobo, circa 2009. The
background display is consistently a kind of grey. Sufficient
abmient light is still required. But a few years later, "paper-
white" versions emerged.
I have been reading on non-paper devices since the early
2000's. (I actually started out by using my palm pilot to
read textfiles and stuff) Today I mostly read on devices
with an E-ink display like a kindle or a kobo when i'm
outside. Reading on a tablet can be a little distracting
from time to time (same with reading on a desktop and
stuff. My wife still sticks to 'real paper' but hauling
around a big paperback novel in her purse (as opposed to my
little kindle that holds an entire library) does make her
doubt her choices from time to time.
I'm not the kind of reader that would want to flip
interchangeably between multiple books in a week. I'll want to
stick to a story and finish it. Then.. when I'm done, I'd take
it off.
With the ereader, I would be more stressed out if the battery
runs low and I am not able to read what I want WHEN I want
while the darn ereader needs to charge, ;) ..or freak out
when I realize that I've forgotten to pack the charging cord.
:O
With the ereader, I would be more stressed out if the
battery runs low and I am not able to read what I want
WHEN I want while the darn ereader needs to charge, ;)
..or freak out when I realize that I've forgotten to pack
the charging cord. :O
That hardly happens. Ereaders are highly efficient when
dealing with battery life. I only have to recharge my
devices once every couple of weeks.
But.. I've had people seeking out my shop for the privilege to
charge their tablets, phones or ereaders. There were a handful
of times when people would come crying to my shop and swearing
OFF at ereaders henceforth because they forgot the dedicated
cables.
What kind shop do you have ? I have to admit, there is a
certain romance to a paper book and just hiding away from
the screens we spend so much of our lives behind.
ELF wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
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Quoting Jimmy Anderson to Elf <=-
Now 'stuff' that also makes memories... We like to purchase and use firearms, I'm a big game player - those are still "stuff" things, but
have memories tied to them. :-)
True! Yes, we do need some "stuff" to build memories with. Good example
if your family likes to go shooting or hunting. We like to go camping
and that requires a lot of "stuff" hahaha. :-)
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-
Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-
Actually, there is an experiment according to which they ruin your
hobby when they turn it into a job.
There are many cautionary tales of amateur photographers that go pro. Enjoying doing something and doing something to get paid can be
mutually exclusive.
As my son graduates high school and considers colleges and careers I realize how lucky I am that I'm paid to play with cool technologies I couldn't afford to get my hands on otherwise.
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