Bob Roberts wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

This illiustrates the problem I have with eating healthy meals at home.
The shopping part is easy. Its fun to buy all the colorful vegies, peppers, and spices. But when I'm hungry, and its time to eat -- my patience is thin. At that point I'd much rather pop a frozen burrito
in the oven, or make a quick PB&J then plan/prep/cook a balanced meal.

I have the same issues at times - that's the blood sugar swings talking.
When I'm eating my old diet, I'd have a blood sugar drop after a couple of hours and fall for cravings. The nice thing about a plant-based, no sugar added diet is that my blood sugar is more even, and I can more easily curb
the cravings and make better food choices.


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Ogg wrote to MRO <=-

primarily bacon and cheese. :D But the key was STILL not
exceed 20gm of carbs per day. That was tricky.

That's a pretty low amount of carbs! Atkins has you do "induction" for 2 weeks, sticking to 20g of carbs; after 2 weeks you're supposed to keep
adding 10G of carbs per day for a week until you get to a point where you maintain your weight, then dial back by 10g.

The 20g level was hard to keep up for extended periods of time.




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Hello poindexter!

** On Friday 08.01.21 - 06:48, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

primarily bacon and cheese. :D But the key was STILL
not exceed 20gm of carbs per day. That was tricky.

That's a pretty low amount of carbs! Atkins has you do
"induction" for 2 weeks, sticking to 20g of carbs; after 2
weeks you're supposed to keep adding 10G of carbs per day
for a week until you get to a point where you maintain your
weight, then dial back by 10g.

All the majot diet types have a couple things in common:

[1] eat less (do NOT exceed a certain CAL intake/day)
[2] increase exercise.

;)

The 20g level was hard to keep up for extended periods of
time.

It was brutal. But my biggest revelation *before* I first
started with keto was the amount of cals I was consuming per day
- and here I thought I was eating fairly healthily.

But once I reduced the cals, the weight followed.

We only get fat if we open the mouth and keep shoving more food
into it than the body needs.


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On 1/4/2021 11:00 PM, MRO wrote:

For the most part, if you stick to foods made from whole sourcing
(meats, eggs, fish, vegetables) most of the time, even with red meat,
and limited the intake of seed ("vegetable") oils like canola, palm and
soy oils. Avoiding refined foods altogether along with limiting modern
grain intake to maybe a meal a week, most people would fare dramatically
better.

yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like that.

You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once
a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more
about laziness than cost.

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On 1/4/2021 11:04 PM, MRO wrote:

As someone alergic to legumes and diabetic, I generally just stick to
real meat, fish and eggs.

so are you going to be able to reverse your diabetes?

I'm able to manage when sticking to the above dietary constraints. I do
have quite a bit of greens as well.

For reference, regarding keto + intermittent fasting... for those
dietary clinics that focus on lchf diets and reducing meal frequency,
they see about half their patients off meds at the 6 month mark, and
half again at the year mark.

I went off the mark last year and back on the wagon so to speak a month
ago. The first time around, it took me about 2.5 months to adapt and
another 3-4 before I didn't need any meds anymore to keep within a
normal range for my glucose and a1c levels.

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On 1/5/2021 2:23 AM, Vk3jed wrote:

yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like

Really? Buying fresh food and cooking it yourself is often cheaper. Eating out at McDonalds is horrendously expensive.

Let's see - fresh vegerables and meat for a week's dinners is around $75 (around $11/day). And that includes a bonus lunch or two from leftovers.

One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal there (not a
lot of choice, was either Maccas or KFC - best of a bad lot in this particular
town).

I spend a bit more than that a week, but even then it's still way less
than eating out... when eating out, I was generally spending between $20-40/day just for me. About 2-dozen eggs (pasture raised, $10-12),
4-pack of steaks ($40) or wild fish, sardines/mackerel, 3# ground beef
($20, grass fed), maybe $10-20 on infrequent things avg. $30-40 or so on
veg. for two weeks, then usually a smaller shop ~$40 on non-payday weeks.

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On 1/5/2021 5:48 AM, Ogg wrote:

Granted, buying 100% free-range, organics at first could be
expensive. I don't buy free-range or organics each and every
time. I don't go out of my way (extra travel) to visit farmers,
for example. I just started eliminating processed foods,
starches and sugar. That cut a significant $ out of the weekly
list. Then.. eating better, you feel better, don't feel the need
to eat crap and don't fall into a pattern of over eating and
buying more than than you need.

I tend to stick to pasture raised eggs, but other than that will go from organic, grass fed, etc to not... I just try to mix it up as I know the nutrition in some of the gmo/grain fed isn't as good. Also, because I'm really not a fan of organ meats, so get a lot of micronutrients from egg
yolks and wild caught fish.

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On 1/6/2021 4:11 AM, Andeddu wrote:

The dietary guidelines on cholesterol were rolled back in 2011-2013, and
the guidelines on saturated fat dramatically reduced from 2017. In
particular most refined seed oils are worse than the combination of fats
found in red meat.

You're better off eating red meat alone from a fast food place than
*anything* fried from the same location.

According to the "science" I should probably have died of heart disease by now.
My staple is 4-5 eggs each morning along with an unflavoured protein shake with
milk. I have a light lunch or skip it all together and then for dinner I tend to have two steaks and potatoes with greens. Junk food wise, I'll have a packet
of crisps and some natural Greek yoghurt. I have maintained a body fat percentage of around 10% or less for many years, depending on the season, and still feel great in my mid-30s. I religiously lift weights and do gym work but
not a great deal of cardio as I care more about my appearance more than anything else. I'll have a carb blowout once per week but sometimes I can afford to do it twice without any noticable detriment. I have had my blood pressure checked, etc... which appears to be perfectly fine and my BMI is around 23-24.

Doesn't sound so bad to me actually, as long as the crisps/chips aren't
too much, over the top or otherwise infrequent. The activity level is probably what helps the most.

Sometimes I am baffled at the struggles people face to lose weight. When I was
bulking up many years ago I was 2 stone heavier than I am now (BMI=27.5). I lost around a stone of that fat with no problem whatsoever and thereafter lost
the muscle shortly after due to injury... I never really got back to that size
again preferring to aim for a gymnast style physique. I understand that the people who suffer chronic illnesses and immobility can struggle, but the rest of the population have no excuse not to be a normal weight.

A couple decades following dietary advice that includes several cups of
grains every day when you're already metabolically disfunctional (diabetic/pre-diabetic) doesn't help...

About 5 years ago, I religiously followed the prescribed diet I was
given for 3 months, taking enough insulin to keep my blood glucose in
check... I was eating around 1500 calories a day. I gained over 30#,
and felt like garbage, but the doctor was happy to see a close to normal
a1c and said I was lying about sticking to the diet considering the
weight gain.

I went on an elimination diet to try to discover any problematic foods,
when I discovered most legumes made me feel like garbage... went keto on around 2800 calories a day, much less insulin, and lost the weight I'd
gained and kept going... Been off/on the wagon regarding diet a few
times since then... social cues and cravings still happen and it's not
easy. I'll probably never be thin because of so many other issues that
mean I can't be really active as I'd like at this point.

If I knew what I know now in my teens or early 20's, I'd be in a much different situation today. I blame the low fat craze, food pyramid and cholesterol guidelines that started when I grew up more than anything.

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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Tracker1 to MRO on Thu Jan 21 2021 05:57 pm

and soy oils. Avoiding refined foods altogether along with limiting
modern grain intake to maybe a meal a week, most people would fare
dramatically better.

yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
that.

You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once
a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more

No i wouldnt be surprised. i lived with someone who tried it.
i dont think most people eat out once a day.
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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Tracker1 to Vk3jed on Thu Jan 21 2021 06:12 pm

One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal there

Wait, $20 for a meal at McDonald's? What in the hell are you eating? Even at my worst, when I would stress eat, I'd drop $12. Now days, if I even go there, it's something like $5 or $6.

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On 01-21-21 18:12, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I spend a bit more than that a week, but even then it's still way less than eating out... when eating out, I was generally spending between $20-40/day just for me. About 2-dozen eggs (pasture raised, $10-12), 4-pack of steaks ($40) or wild fish, sardines/mackerel, 3# ground beef ($20, grass fed), maybe $10-20 on infrequent things avg. $30-40 or so
on veg. for two weeks, then usually a smaller shop ~$40 on non-payday weeks.

Yeah, I find eating at home saves money. And the meals are good. Maybe not as fancy as a pub or restaurant, but nutritious. :)


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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Tracker1 to MRO on Thu Jan 21 2021 05:57 pm

You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once
a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more about laziness than cost.

I don't think most people I know eat out at least once a day. Personally, I eat out sometimes, but not every day. There are many times when I'll heat up something frozen for dinner, but I suppose there's an amount of laziness factor there in not feeling like cooking after I get home from work.

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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Dream Master to Tracker1 on Thu Jan 21 2021 10:24 pm

One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal
there

Wait, $20 for a meal at McDonald's? What in the hell are you eating? Even at my worst, when I would stress eat, I'd drop $12. Now days, if I even go there, it's something like $5 or $6.

You're replying to Tracker1, but you're quoting something I think Vk3jed said. Vk3jed is in Australia, and food pricing can be different in different countries. Also, that may be Australian dollars. Right now, AU$20 is US$15.44

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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Fri Jan 22 2021 08:02 am

Wait, $20 for a meal at McDonald's? What in the hell are you eating? Even at my worst, when I would stress eat, I'd drop $12. Now days, if I even go there, it's something like $5 or $6.

You're replying to Tracker1, but you're quoting something I think Vk3jed said. Vk3jed is in Australia, and food pricing can be different in different countries. Also, that may be Australian dollars. Right now, AU$20 is US$15.44

Correct. I also forgot that Vk3jed is in Australia.

I'm slow. I haven't had a good night sleep in about three weeks.

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Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-

I don't think most people I know eat out at least once a day.
Personally, I eat out sometimes, but not every day. There are many
times when I'll heat up something frozen for dinner, but I suppose
there's an amount of laziness factor there in not feeling like cooking after I get home from work.

I love working from home. I'll make a pot of vegetable stew during a break from calls. Start with a half an onion, half a pepper and a clove or two of garlic, diced. sautee until the onions start to sweat. Add in vegetables (kale, chopped squash, zucchini, frozen corn, sliced mushrooms, cauliflower really, whatever I have in the fridge at the time) and a can of beans - usually cannelini or garbanzo beans. Add vegetable broth to top, season with gobs of Mrs. Dash, cumin and/or cayenne pepper, bring to a boil, then simmer for 30 minutes. That makes 2-3 lunches with a scoop of brown rice or served
on top of a small microwaved potato.

This, from a guy who used to eat chain fast food or taqueria burritos for lunch every day up until last March.




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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jan 23 2021 09:31 am

Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-

I don't think most people I know eat out at least once a day.
Personally, I eat out sometimes, but not every day. There are many
times when I'll heat up something frozen for dinner, but I suppose
there's an amount of laziness factor there in not feeling like
cooking after I get home from work.

I love working from home. I'll make a pot of vegetable stew during a break from calls. Start with a half an onion, half a pepper and a clove or two of garlic, diced. sautee until the onions start to sweat. Add in vegetables (kale, chopped squash, zucchini, frozen corn, sliced mushrooms, cauliflower really, whatever I have in the fridge at the time) and a can of beans - usually cannelini or garbanzo beans. Add vegetable broth to

so you arent working. you are spending a bunch of time doing other shit.
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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jan 23 2021 11:07 pm

I love working from home. I'll make a pot of vegetable stew during
a break from calls. Start with a half an onion, half a pepper and a

so you arent working. you are spending a bunch of time doing other shit.

He said during a break from calls. You realize that breaks are a thing, right? Do you get breaks where you work? At least a lunch break? I thought most states had a law where employers must allow for breaks (usually I think at least one lunch break for salaried workers, and for hourly, depending on how many hours you work).

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MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

so you arent working. you are spending a bunch of time doing other
shit.

Incorrect.



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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Jan 23 2021 11:14 pm

Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jan 23 2021 11:07 pm

I love working from home. I'll make a pot of vegetable stew during
a break from calls. Start with a half an onion, half a pepper and a

so you arent working. you are spending a bunch of time doing other
shit.

He said during a break from calls. You realize that breaks are a thing, right? Do you get breaks where you work? At least a lunch break? I thought most states had a law where employers must allow for breaks (usually I think at least one lunch break for salaried workers, and for hourly, depending on how many hours you work).

what he did sounds like more than a break. sounds like a 2 hour excursion.

i think most people that 'work from home' arent really working much. and i think they're drinking too.
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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jan 24 2021 10:37 pm

i think most people that 'work from home' arent really working much. and i think they're drinking too.

lol, okay...

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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jan 25 2021 08:09 am

Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jan 24 2021 10:37 pm

i think most people that 'work from home' arent really working much.
and i think they're drinking too.

lol, okay...

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/more-people-drinking-while-working-from- home-during-covid19
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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jan 26 2021 06:49 pm

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/more-people-drinking-while-working-fr om- home-during-covid19

It's a big problem in the UK. I know a lot of people who are polishing off 2-3 extra bottles of wine each week because they're stuck in the house working remotely or doing nothing all day.

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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Andeddu to MRO on Thu Jan 28 2021 11:57 am

Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jan 26 2021 06:49 pm

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/more-people-drinking-while-work
ing-fr om- home-during-covid19

It's a big problem in the UK. I know a lot of people who are polishing off 2-3 extra bottles of wine each week because they're stuck in the house working remotely or doing nothing all day.

oh i believe they are getting a lot done at home. they enjoy working at home. so they work less but get more done. plus they are plastered.

my company cut a lot of people because it became apparent that they were not useful while at work OR at home. when they really looked there was a lot of dead weight.

i have to show up but i barely do anything. since my mom died and my friend blew his brains out i was getting like 1-2 hrs of sleep and i was a zombie at work. i'd sleep for a microsecond and wake myself up snoring.
when i DO have something to do i hammer it out like nobody else, though.

what i'm saying is i want a bed or one of those google sleep pod things at work.
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Andeddu wrote to MRO <=-

It's a big problem in the UK. I know a lot of people who are polishing
off 2-3 extra bottles of wine each week because they're stuck in the
house working remotely or doing nothing all day.

Time to start buying stock in cheap wine. :)


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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Andeddu on Thu Jan 28 2021 05:06 pm

i have to show up but i barely do anything. since my mom died and my friend blew his brains out i was getting like 1-2 hrs of sleep and i was a zombie at work. i'd sleep for a microsecond and wake myself up snoring.
when i DO have something to do i hammer it out like nobody else, though.

what i'm saying is i want a bed or one of those google sleep pod things at work.

It's commendable and stoic of you to be able to bash out a shift after getting bugger all sleep. It's happened to me a few times in my career and it's nasty. I can't operate without a good night's sleep.

A sleeping pod would be a fantastic thing to have at work... I'd be in that fucker every day for quick nap after lunch.

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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Andeddu to MRO on Sat Jan 30 2021 06:50 pm

what i'm saying is i want a bed or one of those google sleep pod
things at
work.

It's commendable and stoic of you to be able to bash out a shift after getting bugger all sleep. It's happened to me a few times in my career and it's nasty. I can't operate without a good night's sleep.

A sleeping pod would be a fantastic thing to have at work... I'd be in that fucker every day for quick nap after lunch.

oh i'm a tough fucker. i have had 2 full time jobs. the 2nd job was 4 10 hr days. i was working every day of the week. on the days where i had one job it was like a long sweet vacation. that stuff was messing me up, though. i was getting hypertension and i wasnt healing when i'd get sore.
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Hello Mro!

** On Saturday 30.01.21 - 17:05, MRO wrote to Andeddu:

oh i'm a tough fucker. i have had 2 full time jobs. the 2nd job was 4 10 hr days. i was working every day of the week.

Doing what?


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Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Ogg to MRO on Sat Jan 30 2021 10:39 pm

Hello Mro!

** On Saturday 30.01.21 - 17:05, MRO wrote to Andeddu:

oh i'm a tough fucker. i have had 2 full time jobs. the 2nd job was
4 10 hr days. i was working every day of the week.

Doing what?

my 4 10 hr day job which was thurs, friday, sat, sunday was at amazon.
i was a stower.

i've had lots of side jobs. it's a great way to pay off your debt. i usually work my way up to supervisor and job 2 becomes more involving than job 1 and i end up leaving from overwork and stress.



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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Jan 30 2021 05:05 pm

oh i'm a tough fucker. i have had 2 full time jobs. the 2nd job was 4 10 hr days. i was working every day of the week. on the days where i had one job it was like a long sweet vacation. that stuff was messing me up, though. i was getting hypertension and i wasnt healing when i'd get sore.

Good job. At least no one can say you've ever been work-shy... just don't take it too far otherwise you'll end up in an early grave due to health issues, the body isn't made for that level of exertion. I just bash out my 40 hours per week in a fairly comfortable enviroment and try to aim for 7-8 hours of sleep each night, because of that I've never had a sign of any physical problems which could pose a worry in the future.

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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Andeddu to MRO on Sun Jan 31 2021 05:25 pm

10 hr days. i was working every day of the week. on the days where i
had one job it was like a long sweet vacation. that stuff was messing
me up, though. i was getting hypertension and i wasnt healing when i'd
get sore.

Good job. At least no one can say you've ever been work-shy... just don't take it too far otherwise you'll end up in an early grave due to health issues, the body isn't made for that level of exertion. I just bash out my

the money was good. especially becausee they screwed up my paycheck in my favor a few times.

i also saw people bashing amazon and said they were slave drivers and the work was so hard and i had to try it to see for myself. it's not hard work. people are just lazy and don't like coming to work.
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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jan 25 2021 08:09 am

Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jan 24 2021 10:37 pm

i think most people that 'work from home' arent really working much. an think they're drinking too.

lol, okay...

Nightfox

I work from home & I never drink when working, or going to be working -- same as uin person working. I drink coffee, yeah. . . & listren to any music I like at any volume I like. . .

I'm only PT these days, but it's some thing & more thabn many. . . so I've no complaints. . .


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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Cyberpope to Nightfox on Thu Aug 26 2021 03:56 pm

By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jan 25 2021 08:09 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


HEY, please update your msg pointers.

you are replying to posts from last january.

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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Cyberpope to Nightfox on Thu Aug 26 2021 03:56 pm

By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jan 25 2021 08:09 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HEY, please update your msg pointers.

you are replying to posts from last january.

I know; I was just scrolling down looking for any posts I could jump into, to get into this echo. . . :) Nothing current to "All"

& figured I'd just jump in on anything that looked half-assed interesting. .

I've not yet figured out how to get my point wrking, so I'm limited by BBS interface, too. . . :)

Sorry, mate. . .


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Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Fri Aug 27 2021 10:37 am

I know; I was just scrolling down looking for any posts I could jump into, to get into this echo. . . :) Nothing current to "All"

& figured I'd just jump in on anything that looked half-assed interesting. .

I've not yet figured out how to get my point wrking, so I'm limited by BBS interface, too. . . :)

are you using one of those weird point and shoot msg listers?
those things are shitty.



on the default synchrononet interface hit & for msg scan config
choose set new-scan pointers

then set the date.

another thing in this menu that i use a lot that you might like is the [I] reintialize new-scan pointers

if you want to go back and read all the new msgs since you logged in you can scan it again.
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I know; I was just scrolling down looking for any posts I could jump into, to get into this echo. . . :) Nothing current to "All"

& figured I'd just jump in on anything that looked half-assed interesting. .

I've not yet figured out how to get my point working, so I'm limited by BBS interface, too. . . :)

are you using one of those weird point and shoot msg listers?
those things are shitty.

Probably; I go into the echo, select "new mail to me only" & if nothing,
begin scrolling backwards in time, looking for interesting headers. . .

I'm sure I'll get my point working soon enough. . . for now, I'm just winging it. . . :)

on the default synchrononet interface hit & for msg scan config
choose set new-scan pointers

then set the date.

another thing in this menu that i use a lot that you might like is the [I] reintialize new-scan pointers

if you want to go back and read all the new msgs since you logged in you

can

scan it again.
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