I'm already established here, but this time I'm accessing the site through DOS using mTCP on my FreeDOS. Maybe its because I'm using Hughesnet, but typing speed is limited. If I type too fast, some of what I type gets left out.
Anyways, I just wanted to test this. I'm going to try this next on a 486, then on my 286 Compaq
Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to All on Thu Aug 06 2020 03:11 pm
I'm already established here, but this time I'm accessing the site throug DOS using mTCP on my FreeDOS. Maybe its because I'm using Hughesnet, but typing speed is limited. If I type too fast, some of what I type gets le out.
Anyways, I just wanted to test this. I'm going to try this next on a 486 then on my 286 Compaq
Haha, it looks like you are after the hardcore experience.
Next think we'll know is you are attaching a model and dialing up.
--
gopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.es
On 08-06-20 15:11, Moondog wrote to All <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAVEBBS
I'm already established here, but this time I'm accessing the site
through DOS using mTCP on my FreeDOS. Maybe its because I'm using Hughesnet, but typing speed is limited. If I type too fast, some of
what I type gets left out.
On 08-06-20 15:51, Arelor wrote to Moondog <=-
Haha, it looks like you are after the hardcore experience.
Next think we'll know is you are attaching a model and dialing up.
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 08-06-20 15:11, Moondog wrote to All <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAVEBBS
I'm already established here, but this time I'm accessing the site
through DOS using mTCP on my FreeDOS. Maybe its because I'm using Hughesnet, but typing speed is limited. If I type too fast, some of
what I type gets left out.
Nice bit of retro work. :) I was never a fan of DOS IP stacks, other
than KA9Q NOS, which was an amazing piece of software at the time. It could run IP (as well as NET/ROM and AX.25 used on packet radio), do IP routing, and had inbuild servers for telnet, FTP and SMTP at least. I know it also supported POP3, but not sure if that was server, client or both. NOS also had a telnet and FTP client built in, using it was a
bit like the *NIX command line, where you'd type "telnet xxxxx" or "ftp xxxxxxx" to connect to other machines' servers. There was also
"ttylink", which ran on port 87, IIRC, and initiated a real time
keyboard chat between the operators of the two systems.
And yes, it even ran well on my twin floppy XT back in 1981.
On 08-06-20 15:51, Arelor wrote to Moondog <=-
Haha, it looks like you are after the hardcore experience.
Next think we'll know is you are attaching a model and dialing up.
If it was me, I'd at least use serial. Could at least be connected via eith a hardware modem emulator or null modem to a PC running a modem emular and telnet gateway.
... Hell is kept warm with profane burners.
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 08-06-20 15:11, Moondog wrote to All <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAVEBBS
I'm already established here, but this time I'm accessing the site through DOS using mTCP on my FreeDOS. Maybe its because I'm using Hughesnet, but typing speed is limited. If I type too fast, some of what I type gets left out.
Nice bit of retro work. :) I was never a fan of DOS IP stacks, other than KA9Q NOS, which was an amazing piece of software at the time. It could run IP (as well as NET/ROM and AX.25 used on packet radio), do IP routing, and had inbuild servers for telnet, FTP and SMTP at least. I know it also supported POP3, but not sure if that was server, client or both. NOS also had a telnet and FTP client built in, using it was a bit like the *NIX command line, where you'd type "telnet xxxxx" or "ftp xxxxxxx" to connect to other machines' servers. There was also "ttylink", which ran on port 87, IIRC, and initiated a real time keyboard chat between the operators of the two systems.
And yes, it even ran well on my twin floppy XT back in 1981.
I got my XT system working again. I don't have the floppy drives, but you c boot it from a 1.44M drive if you use a 720K floppy. Better still, it suppo IOMega zip drives, so I have a zip disk as a 100M "hard disk".
Next step, to log into a BBS using this machine and the monochrome green CGA monitor.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Dennisk to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 07 2020 08:35 pm
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 08-06-20 15:11, Moondog wrote to All <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAVEBBS
I'm already established here, but this time I'm accessing the site through DOS using mTCP on my FreeDOS. Maybe its because I'm using Hughesnet, but typing speed is limited. If I type too fast, some of what I type gets left out.
Nice bit of retro work. :) I was never a fan of DOS IP stacks, other than KA9Q NOS, which was an amazing piece of software at the time. It could run IP (as well as NET/ROM and AX.25 used on packet radio), do IP routing, and had inbuild servers for telnet, FTP and SMTP at least. I know it also supported POP3, but not sure if that was server, client or both. NOS also had a telnet and FTP client built in, using it was a bit like the *NIX command line, where you'd type "telnet xxxxx" or "ftp xxxxxxx" to connect to other machines' servers. There was also "ttylink", which ran on port 87, IIRC, and initiated a real time keyboard chat between the operators of the two systems.
And yes, it even ran well on my twin floppy XT back in 1981.
I got my XT system working again. I don't have the floppy drives, but you c boot it from a 1.44M drive if you use a 720K floppy. Better still, it suppo IOMega zip drives, so I have a zip disk as a 100M "hard disk".
Next step, to log into a BBS using this machine and the monochrome green CGA monitor.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
Running it on a normal CRT in color was a blast, since any other time
I'd use Putty in a window on an LCD.
Got rid of the land line a few years back. I stayed on dialup for way longer than most folk because of lack of reliable alternatives, then finally dropped the physical phone line because ATT loved jacking up their rates and supplied less and less for the money.
On 08-07-20 20:35, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I got my XT system working again. I don't have the floppy drives, but
you can boot it from a 1.44M drive if you use a 720K floppy. Better still, it supports IOMega zip drives, so I have a zip disk as a 100M
"hard disk".
Next step, to log into a BBS using this machine and the monochrome
green CGA monitor.
On 08-07-20 11:53, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I considered going serial, however the main reason why I'm trying out
the mTCP tools is because I would like to use FTP to transfer files to
my Portable II without using floppies. The BIOS supports a 1.44 3.5"
floppy, however it has the two 360k 5.25" half height floppies in the bays, and I don't have a bracket to make a 3.5" floppy look right in
it. I was copying files via Fastlynx through a serial port, however I have to use my FreeDOS box to move files to it. Until now that
involved either burning files to a CD or copying them to a usb drive,
and using a Puppy linux livecd to temporarily give usb access on the FreeDOS box.
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 08-07-20 11:53, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I considered going serial, however the main reason why I'm trying out
the mTCP tools is because I would like to use FTP to transfer files to
my Portable II without using floppies. The BIOS supports a 1.44 3.5"
Fair enough. I just have bad memories of the mishmash of DOS
networking, and prefer to avoid it. :)
Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to Arelor on Thu Aug 06 2020 11:32 pm
Got rid of the land line a few years back. I stayed on dialup for way longer than most folk because of lack of reliable alternatives, then finally dropped the physical phone line because ATT loved jacking up th rates and supplied less and less for the money.
i got rid of my land line in the late 90s. right when i shut down my bbs.
closest thing i had to a landline again was my oooma box and i let the ex ke
floppy, however it has the two 360k 5.25" half height floppies in the bays, and I don't have a bracket to make a 3.5" floppy look right in it. I was copying files via Fastlynx through a serial port, however I have to use my FreeDOS box to move files to it. Until now that involved either burning files to a CD or copying them to a usb drive, and using a Puppy linux livecd to temporarily give usb access on the FreeDOS box.
Yeah the joys of trying to move files in those days. We forget how spoilt w are with networks everywhere, high speed Internet and USB sticks. :)
While prepping my 486 for testing, I decided to throw Win 3.1 on it. It takes 6 disks to install. I think we take larger size data storage techniques for granted.
For a "home" phone I have a Straight Talk home phone connect. It's a cellular transceiver whixh allows you to plug in phones and caller ID devices.
I remember Windows 3.1 taking 6 disks, and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 taking 8 disks, I think. And I think Windows 95 was on 15 floppy disks (at least for the upgrade version).
Got rid of the land line a few years back. I stayed on dialup for way longer than most folk because of lack of reliable alternatives, then finally dropped the physical phone line because ATT loved jacking up
their rates and supplied less and less for the money.
Next step, to log into a BBS using this machine and the monochrome
green CGA monitor.
Yeah the joys of trying to move files in those days. We forget how
spoilt we are with networks everywhere, high speed Internet and USB sticks. :)
... A fool and his money are SYSOP material.
And, once we experienced DSL or broadband (high speed), dial-up
internet was like "Ewwwww". :P
the windows 95 i had was the full floppy and that was 13 disks.
lucky number 13
Next step, to log into a BBS using this machine and the monochrome green CGA monitor.
My first system was a computer, gotten by a friend, when Arkansas Children's Hospital in Little Rock, was getting rid of their old
hardware, and upgrading.
For my 32nd birthday, I got an 8088XT, with a 20 Megabyte Hard Drive,
640K of RAM, a 3.5" and a 5.25" floppy drive, a mouse, a monochrome
green monitor, a keyboard, and DOS 3.2 -- that's where The Thunderbolt
BBS began nearly 30 years ago now.
Daryl
Was that 12 install disks and a boot disk by chance? I have a recollection of having two versions, one being 12 disks and the other 15, and the boot disk to start installation being separate (which would make 13), but I could just me inventing memories at this point. --- Underminer The
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 08-07-20 11:53, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I considered going serial, however the main reason why I'm trying out the mTCP tools is because I would like to use FTP to transfer files to my Portable II without using floppies. The BIOS supports a 1.44 3.5"
Fair enough. I just have bad memories of the mishmash of DOS networking, and prefer to avoid it. :)
mTCP makes it easy. I was surprised at how easy and how useful it was to transfer files.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
On 08-08-20 22:07, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/EOTLBBS
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 08-07-20 11:53, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I considered going serial, however the main reason why I'm trying out
the mTCP tools is because I would like to use FTP to transfer files to
my Portable II without using floppies. The BIOS supports a 1.44 3.5"
Fair enough. I just have bad memories of the mishmash of DOS
networking, and prefer to avoid it. :)
mTCP makes it easy. I was surprised at how easy and how useful it was
to transfer files.
On 08-08-20 08:44, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
While prepping my 486 for testing, I decided to throw Win 3.1 on it.
It takes 6 disks to install. I think we take larger size data storage techniques for granted. While scavenging floppies for other projects,
I'd find disks with aprtial Zip-spanned files, 2 of 5's and other nomenclature indicating this disk had realtives.
On 08-08-20 17:37, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/TBOLT
Tony,
Yeah the joys of trying to move files in those days. We forget how
spoilt we are with networks everywhere, high speed Internet and USB sticks. :)
And, once we experienced DSL or broadband (high speed), dial-up
internet was like "Ewwwww". :P
... A fool and his money are SYSOP material.
Isn't that the truth??
... I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-08-20 22:07, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/EOTLBBS
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 08-07-20 11:53, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I considered going serial, however the main reason why I'm trying out
the mTCP tools is because I would like to use FTP to transfer files to
my Portable II without using floppies. The BIOS supports a 1.44 3.5"
Fair enough. I just have bad memories of the mishmash of DOS
networking, and prefer to avoid it. :)
mTCP makes it easy. I was surprised at how easy and how useful it was
to transfer files.
Until you want to run some other form of networking at the same time,
like DOS/Windows file sharing, then it gets really ugly. ;)
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 08-08-20 08:44, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
While prepping my 486 for testing, I decided to throw Win 3.1 on it.
It takes 6 disks to install. I think we take larger size data storage techniques for granted. While scavenging floppies for other projects,
I'd find disks with aprtial Zip-spanned files, 2 of 5's and other nomenclature indicating this disk had realtives.
Ahh the joys of floppies. From memory, you could put the Windows disks
on the HDD as a series of directories "DICK1" "DISK2" etc, and the
install would proceed. Some installs could be done this way, others,
you could dump the contents of each floppy into the same directory, and
it would work, and others demanded that you changed disks.
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
And yes, it even ran well on my twin floppy XT back in 1981.
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
Yeah the joys of trying to move files in those days. We forget how
spoilt we are with networks everywhere, high speed Internet and USB sticks. :)
And, once we experienced DSL or broadband (high speed), dial-up
internet was like "Ewwwww". :P
True, especially as websites started adding heaps of crap to their pages, which made dialup useless.
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 08 2020 06:27 pm
the windows 95 i had was the full floppy and that was 13 disks.
lucky number 13
Was that 12 install disks and a boot disk by chance? I have a recollection of having two versions, one being 12 disks and the other 15, and the boot disk to start installation being separate (which would make 13), but I could just me inventing memories at this point.
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Underminer to MRO on Sat Aug 08 2020 11:45 pm
Was that 12 install disks and a boot disk by chance? I have a
recollection of having two versions, one being 12 disks and the
other 15, and the boot disk to start installation being separate
(which would make 13), but I could just me inventing memories at
this point. --- Underminer The
For some reason I also remembered 15 disks for Windows 95.
Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Aug 08 2020 08:37 am
For a "home" phone I have a Straight Talk home phone connect. It's a cellular transceiver whixh allows you to plug in phones and caller ID devices.
how much do you pay per month for that? with oooma you just buy the box and
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat Aug 08 2020 10:41 am
I remember Windows 3.1 taking 6 disks, and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 taking 8 disks, I think. And I think Windows 95 was on 15 floppy disks least for the upgrade version).
the windows 95 i had was the full floppy and that was 13 disks.My 95 install had like 20 or 21 disks. There was the basic install, plus
lucky number 13
i lost the drivers to my cd rom drive and had to go with floppies
I pay $15 with tax ($17.) Is OOMA a VOIP service? I live in the boondocks and use Hughsnet for internet, and that limits my options.
And, once we experienced DSL or broadband (high speed), dial-up
internet was like "Ewwwww". :P
Isn't DSL a form of broadband internet? DSL is much faster than
dialup..
And, once we experienced DSL or broadband (high speed), dial-up
internet was like "Ewwwww". :P
True, especially as websites started adding heaps of crap to their
pages, which made dialup useless.
... A fool and his money are SYSOP material.
Isn't that the truth??
Yep. :D
... I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked.
Ouch! :D
Later on, I found a Colorado 250 MB tape backup, so I played with tar
and cron and started backing it up on a regular basis.
Later on, I found a Colorado 250 MB tape backup, so I played with tar pF>> and cron and started backing it up on a regular basis.
I had that awhile back as well...you have to have backups, never mind
a reverse switch. <G>
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
Yeah the joys of trying to move files in those days. We forget how
spoilt we are with networks everywhere, high speed Internet and USB sticks. :)
I can't get myself to toss out my laplink cable; DB9 to DB9 null
modem cable. That thing (and iRDA) got me through getting files to
from my laptop for years.
Before that, it was sneakernet, baybee...
Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Tony,
And, once we experienced DSL or broadband (high speed), dial-up
internet was like "Ewwwww". :P
True, especially as websites started adding heaps of crap to their
pages, which made dialup useless.
I am NOT interested in all these ads on the sites, and you have to scroll through a whole slew of them to get to what you want...or have
to fork over money to read the stories.
... A fool and his money are SYSOP material.
Isn't that the truth??
Yep. :D
The BBS has been a financial black hole for me...no telling how
much I've spent on hardware and software upgrades.
... I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked.
Ouch! :D
You should've seen them trying to insert it. :P
I pay $15 with tax ($17.) Is OOMA a VOIP service? I live in the boondocks and use Hughsnet for internet, and that limits my options.
Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The BBS has been a financial black hole for me...no telling how
much I've spent on hardware and software upgrades.
For some reason I also remembered 15 disks for Windows 95.https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20050819-10/?p=34513
Until you want to run some other form of networking at the same time, like DOS/Windows file sharing, then it gets really ugly. ;)
True. The packet drive seems to interfere with IPX drivers.
Another good software package is etherdfs. A nice way to get DOS to use a Linux share. Easy to set up. I couldn't never got DOS connected to samba, etherdfs worked from the start
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
Yeah the joys of trying to move files in those days. We forget how spoilt we are with networks everywhere, high speed Internet and USB sticks. :)
I can't get myself to toss out my laplink cable; DB9 to DB9 null
modem cable. That thing (and iRDA) got me through getting files to
from my laptop for years.
Before that, it was sneakernet, baybee...
... Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can.
i lost the drivers to my cd rom drive and had to go with floppiesMy 95 install had like 20 or 21 disks. There was the basic install, plus
4 or so bonus disks.
Ahh, so it was 13 if you bought it, 15 if you made the disks. That's probably why I remember it as 15 - I do recall my grandmother getting me to update her to '95 and her system not wanting to install from CD and having to make disks.
The way AT&T did my late Mom and I dirty in the last years of her
life, to me, DSL stands for "Doesn't Stay-Up Long".
Ahh, so it was 13 if you bought it, 15 if you made the disks. That's probably why I remember it as 15 - I do recall my grandmother getting me to update her to '95 and her system not wanting to install from CD and having to make disks.
you mean you made backup disks?
On 08-09-20 21:49, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Until you want to run some other form of networking at the same time,
like DOS/Windows file sharing, then it gets really ugly. ;)
True. The packet drive seems to interfere with IPX drivers.
Another good software package is etherdfs. A nice way to get DOS to
use a Linux share. Easy to set up. I couldn't never got DOS connected
to samba, but etherdfs worked from the start
On 08-09-20 22:04, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
A lot of programs if I remember you could do that with, including
Windows 3.1.
On 08-07-20 07:50, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/REALITY
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
And yes, it even ran well on my twin floppy XT back in 1981.
For a while, I ran a web site using MINIX on a 12 mhz 286 with a 40
mb MFM drive and 3 megabytes of RAM. I found a rudimentary SMTP
server, POP3 server, a caching DNS server, FTP and a web server.
I hacked together my first HTML pages on that thing, and started
using HomeSite to manage/build web-based "projects".
I had a couple of people hosting mail on it and using it as DNS, just
because we could.
Later on, I found a Colorado 250 MB tape backup, so I played with tar
and cron and started backing it up on a regular basis.
MINIX came with all of the sources, and since it was meant as a
teaching tool, the source code was well laid out and nicely
commented. I got a new understanding of networking by reading through
ne2000.c.
I learned a lot about systems administration from managing that
little box in my early days.
On 08-09-20 07:02, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I can't get myself to toss out my laplink cable; DB9 to DB9 null
modem cable. That thing (and iRDA) got me through getting files to
from my laptop for years.
Before that, it was sneakernet, baybee...
On 08-09-20 10:36, HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Now we have faster connections and what do they do? Add more heaps of crap so the web is still slow. I imagine that will get worse. Kids
don't like to read. They want video content. If I couldn't use adblock
plus I wouldn't use the web at all. ... In the future, everyone will
be famous for fifteen minutes.
On 08-09-20 12:04, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I am NOT interested in all these ads on the sites, and you have to scroll through a whole slew of them to get to what you want...or have
to fork over money to read the stories.
... A fool and his money are SYSOP material.
Isn't that the truth??
Yep. :D
The BBS has been a financial black hole for me...no telling how
much I've spent on hardware and software upgrades.
... I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked.
Ouch! :D
You should've seen them trying to insert it. :P
Daryl
... Hemlock: A device that prevents garment alterations.
Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 09 2020 03:52 pm
I pay $15 with tax ($17.) Is OOMA a VOIP service? I live in the boondoc and use Hughsnet for internet, and that limits my options.
it's a box that gives you voip. you hook it up to your network. not sure how
Weatherman wrote to Moondog <=-
I pay $15 with tax ($17.) Is OOMA a VOIP service? I live in the boondocks and use Hughsnet for internet, and that limits my options.
Yes, Ooma is a VOIP service. I have had them for many years, pretty
much since they first entered the market. I still have the old
original "hub and scout" devices.
I chose to get their "premium" service which includes two VOIP lines
along with their call blocking features and several other add-ons. I works out to be around $10 month, since I pay $120 once a year for the whole thing.
- Mark
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Dennisk to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 09 2020 09:49 pm
Until you want to run some other form of networking at the same time, like DOS/Windows file sharing, then it gets really ugly. ;)
True. The packet drive seems to interfere with IPX drivers.
Another good software package is etherdfs. A nice way to get DOS to use a Linux share. Easy to set up. I couldn't never got DOS connected to samba, etherdfs worked from the start
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
I'll check out etherdfs. At first I entertained the idea of using IPX
to map a drive, however it appears Novell has kept tight control on
their property, and I know very little about getting IPX pther than running it in an existing environment
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-09-20 21:49, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Until you want to run some other form of networking at the same time,
like DOS/Windows file sharing, then it gets really ugly. ;)
True. The packet drive seems to interfere with IPX drivers.
Yep, and when you run DV and try to get fancy.... CRASH! :D There was
a shim that was supposed to allow the packet driver to be shared, but
it was scary. I found myself running DOS less and less, once I had
OS/2, because of the DOS networking issues.
Another good software package is etherdfs. A nice way to get DOS to
use a Linux share. Easy to set up. I couldn't never got DOS connected
to samba, but etherdfs worked from the start
I don't know that one. But does it coexist with mTCP?
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-09-20 22:04, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
A lot of programs if I remember you could do that with, including
Windows 3.1.
I'm pretty sure Windows 3.1(1) required the separate DISK1, DISK2, etc directories, but doing that and installing from HDD worked well.
Vk3jed wrote to HusTler <=-
On 08-09-20 10:36, HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Now we have faster connections and what do they do? Add more heaps of crap so the web is still slow. I imagine that will get worse. Kids
Yep, the World Wide Wait. :)
don't like to read. They want video content. If I couldn't use adblock
Videos have their place, but frankly, I think they're overused. Instructional videos annoy me, because they are much harder to control than reading a simple document. Give me a PDF or even a good old piece
of dead tree any day!
Is advertising even worth the cost? Or do advertising people con companies into thinking that they would get a return on
investment? I get the sense for many organisations, they advertise out of fear of missing out.
Wow... Looks like we've got TWO "Weatherman" users here...
A lot of programs if I remember you could do that with, including
Windows 3.1.
I'm pretty sure Windows 3.1(1) required the separate DISK1, DISK2, etc directories, but doing that and installing from HDD worked well.
Wow... Looks like we've got TWO "Weatherman" users here...
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 09 2020 04:01 pm
i lost the drivers to my cd rom drive and had to go with floppiesMy 95 install had like 20 or 21 disks. There was the basic install, plu 4 or so bonus disks.
uh, why did you have that many disks?
are you sure you arent thinking of windows nt
... I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked.
Ouch! :D
You should've seen them trying to insert it. :P
The mind boggles. :)
Wow... Looks like we've got TWO "Weatherman" users here...
Is advertising even worth the cost? Or do advertising people con companies into thinking that they would get a return on investment? I
get the sense for many organisations, they advertise out of fear of missing out.
Even though this message appears that I'm replying to myself, I'm
really not. :)
And now everyone's demanding we turn off our ad blockers, which really pisses me off, as does enforced "free" registration, like when I want
to read ONE article from an obscure local newspaper.
Later on, I found a Colorado 250 MB tape backup, so I played with tar
and cron and started backing it up on a regular basis.
The external Trakker model seems to have an asking price of $120 + $50 shipping. I still have one of those too. Hmmmm.
Wow... Looks like we've got TWO "Weatherman" users here...
Even though this message appears that I'm replying to myself, I'm
really not. :)
I'm already established here, but this time I'm accessing the site through DOS using mTCP on my FreeDOS. Maybe its because I'm using Hughesnet, but typing speed is limited. If I type too fast, some of what I type gets left out.
Anyways, I just wanted to test this. I'm going to try this next on a 486, then on my 286 Compaq
For a "home" phone I have a Straight Talk home phone connect. It's a
cellular transceiver whixh allows you to plug in phones and caller ID
devices.
how much do you pay per month for that? with oooma you just buy the box and then pay the taxes and service fees which are like 5-6 bucks
Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-i
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Dennisk to Daryl Stout on Mon Aug 10 2020 09:25 am
Is advertising even worth the cost? Or do advertising people con companies
nto thinking that they would get a return onfe
investment? I get the sense for many organisations, they advertise out of
ar of missing out.
A bit of both.
I have a friend in the marketing business and, quite frankly, unless
you are pumping heavy loads of money into marketing I don't think you
are going to get many conversions (sales).
There are marketing plans that bill you only when they have picked the interest of somebody for your product, which does not mean they bill
per sale, but at least they bill when the advertising has attracted somebody.
Speaking of which, visit/conversion statistics are quite depressing. I remember when I was advertising my first book. I would get a sale on a chanel for each 800 visitors on that channel or so.
I'm using a laplink cable with Fastlynx 2. I have a parallel cable somewhere, but serial jasn't hit a wall yet on an 8Mhz 286.
I don't remember why there would be a difference in the number of disks. Back in the day, you could use a floppy disk imaging program (such as TeleDisk for DOS) to make images of the install floppies and write the images to other floppies, and you'd have the same number of images and same number of disks.
Re: Hello world v2
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Aug 09 2020 03:31 pm
Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 09 2020 03:52 pm
I pay $15 with tax ($17.) Is OOMA a VOIP service? I live in the
boondoc and use Hughsnet for internet, and that limits my options.
it's a box that gives you voip. you hook it up to your network. not
sure how
Satellite sucks. High latency and prone to atmospheric conditions. Limited bandwidth due to fair use policy.
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Weatherman to Weatherman on Mon Aug 10 2020 01:38 am
Wow... Looks like we've got TWO "Weatherman" users here...
A few years ago, I saw another Nightfox pop up on Dove-Net, but I only saw him post a few times.
Nightfox
are you sure you arent thinking of windows nt
The "base" install was 15 disks, then there were some additional drivers and stuff I didn't bother checking out because I got everything running witht he first 15 disks.
how much do you pay per month for that? with oooma you just buy the
box and then pay the taxes and service fees which are like 5-6 bucks
Looks like $50 for the box, and $15/mo (US) or $30/mo (Intl).
https://shop.straighttalk.com/shop/en/straighttalk/st-zte-home-phone-z723c
Dennisk wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Don't get rid of it. You'll never know when you'll need it. I used
mine after 20+ years a month or two ago.
Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
My 95 install had like 20 or 21 disks. There was the basic install,
plus 4 or so bonus disks.
Ogg wrote to All <=-
The external Trakker model seems to have an asking price of $120 + $50 shipping. I still have one of those too. Hmmmm.
Gamgee wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
Strange. I've spent nearly zero. I like to use hand-me-down
computers and free software for such endeavors.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
True. The packet drive seems to interfere with IPX drivers.
Yep, and when you run DV and try to get fancy.... CRASH! :D There was
a shim that was supposed to allow the packet driver to be shared, but
it was scary. I found myself running DOS less and less, once I had
OS/2, because of the DOS networking issues.
probably because he was doing a backup onto floppy using 1.44 disks, not 1.7x
You should have tried OS/2. Warp 3 had something like 20 disks, and
the FIXPAKs had a ton of disks to install afterwards.
what ever happened to the internet blimp idea?
looks like they are trying to do blimp air turbines now.
From what I remember, I think there were files on the Windows install floppies called DISK1, DISK2, etc., so you could copy all the files to
the same directory and install from there.
Re: Windows 95
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:36 pm
probably because he was doing a backup onto floppy using 1.44 disks,
not 1.7x
I've never heard of a 1.7xMB floppy disk..
probably because he was doing a backup onto floppy using 1.44
disks, not 1.7x
I've never heard of a 1.7xMB floppy disk..
you never heard of 1.77mb floppy disks?
Weatherman wrote to Weatherman <=-
Wow... Looks like we've got TWO "Weatherman" users here...
Even though this message appears that I'm replying to myself, I'm
really not. :)
- Mark
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Don't get rid of it. You'll never know when you'll need it. I used
mine after 20+ years a month or two ago.
I've gotten rid of SCSI ribbon cables, Parallel centronics cables,
SCSI centronics cables, floppy cables, IDE cables, AT keyboard
extension cables, DB25 to DB9 adapters, PS/2 to serial adapters,
yards of Thinnet cable, boxes of terminators and t-connectors, VGA
monitor cables, and those weird power cables that plugged into a port
on the power supply, but no one's getting my Laplink cable!
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Windows 95
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Aug 10 2020 10:36 pm
probably because he was doing a backup onto floppy using 1.44
disks, not 1.7x
I've never heard of a 1.7xMB floppy disk..
you never heard of 1.77mb floppy disks?
Not exactly.. 3.5" floppy drives & disks were available in 720k and 1.44mb size, and later 2.88mb but those weren't common. I do think
I've heard of some kind of compressed format Microsoft used for some things, perhaps? Also, in the early 90s, I had briefly used a DOS tool called fdformat that could format floppy disks to a somewhat higher capacity, perhaps around 1.7mb, but I found that floppies formatted
that way would get corrupt in fairly short time.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-
Strange. I've spent nearly zero. I like to use hand-me-down
computers and free software for such endeavors.
Ditto. The BBS was always cast-offs, all the software was free with
the exception of FrontDoor (There was a free version, wanted to
throw Joho a few $$$), Internet Rex, Global War, and BlueWave.
Not bad for 30 years of operation.
MRO wrote to Moondog <=-
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 09 2020 07:40 pm
I'm using a laplink cable with Fastlynx 2. I have a parallel cable somewhere, but serial jasn't hit a wall yet on an 8Mhz 286.
i've done it before. but dont know why someone would have to
transfer files via a cable in today's age. ---
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Vk3jed to Dennisk on Mon Aug 10 2020 04:00 pm
A lot of programs if I remember you could do that with, including
Windows 3.1.
I'm pretty sure Windows 3.1(1) required the separate DISK1, DISK2, etc directories, but doing that and installing from HDD worked well.
From what I remember, I think there were files on the Windows install floppi
Nightfox
On 8/6/2020 12:11 PM, Moondog wrote:
I'm already established here, but this time I'm accessing the site through DOS using mTCP on my FreeDOS. Maybe its because I'm using Hughesnet, but typing speed is limited. If I type too fast, some of what I type gets lef out.
Anyways, I just wanted to test this. I'm going to try this next on a 486, then on my 286 Compaq
Could be a number of things... Not a fan of Hughesnet at all, but if
it's your only option, it's your only option. I don't think that's the issue other than lag... it could be mTCP + the lag is causing issues as satelite internet has crazy latency issues.
You could probably try a windows/linux terminal like SyncTERM on your
host OS, at least that would reduce the layers between you and the BBS.
--
Michael J. Ryan
tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS
It seems to me marketing is an arms race. The more money your competitor pu into marketing, the more you must. But you are running as fast as you can j to stay in the same place. It is very difficult to call it a folly, because being a member of our society means you must speak of its virtue, but...
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 09 2020 07:40 pm
I'm using a laplink cable with Fastlynx 2. I have a parallel cable somewhere, but serial jasn't hit a wall yet on an 8Mhz 286.
i've done it before. but dont know why someone would have to transfer files
Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 09 2020 11:44 pm
Re: Hello world v2
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Aug 09 2020 03:31 pm
Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 09 2020 03:52 pm
I pay $15 with tax ($17.) Is OOMA a VOIP service? I live in the
boondoc and use Hughsnet for internet, and that limits my options.
it's a box that gives you voip. you hook it up to your network. not
sure how
Satellite sucks. High latency and prone to atmospheric conditions. Limi bandwidth due to fair use policy.
what ever happened to the internet blimp idea?
looks like they are trying to do blimp air turbines now.
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 12:07 pm
are you sure you arent thinking of windows nt
The "base" install was 15 disks, then there were some additional driver and stuff I didn't bother checking out because I got everything running witht he first 15 disks.
microsoft sez 13 disks
Ogg wrote to All <=-
The external Trakker model seems to have an asking price of $120 + $50 shipping. I still have one of those too. Hmmmm.
What's slower - parallel port, or floppy interface? :)
... Be extravagant
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True. The packet drive seems to interfere with IPX drivers.
Yep, and when you run DV and try to get fancy.... CRASH! :D There was
a shim that was supposed to allow the packet driver to be shared, but
it was scary. I found myself running DOS less and less, once I had
OS/2, because of the DOS networking issues.
I remember trying to add IP to a Netware Network back in the DOS/3.1
days (Before the built-in IP stack in Windows for Workgroups.)
I thought I'd drank enough to forget that.
On 08-10-20 20:41, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't know that one. But does it coexist with mTCP?
Yes, it just needs a packet driver I think. The same one that mTCP
uses should work. Etherdfs doesn't actually use a transfer protocol,
it uses the hardware directly to send packets so it doesn't conflict
with anything.
I've never had problems with it, except for the fact that on the server side you have to ensure that filenames are 8.3 format and lower case.
On 08-10-20 20:43, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm pretty sure Windows 3.1(1) required the separate DISK1, DISK2, etc directories, but doing that and installing from HDD worked well.
Possibly. It has been years since I've installed it so I may be
mistaken so I don't remember exactly what I did.
On 08-10-20 20:49, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
What is worse is videos where the presenter tries to speak in some idiosyncratic way, or just reads a document, slowly.
On 08-10-20 08:46, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From what I remember, I think there were files on the Windows install floppies called DISK1, DISK2, etc., so you could copy all the files to
the same directory and install from there.
On 08-10-20 12:57, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We had to use a special brand of Vaseline. <G>
On 08-10-20 18:49, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I remember trying to add IP to a Netware Network back in the DOS/3.1
days (Before the built-in IP stack in Windows for Workgroups.)
I thought I'd drank enough to forget that.
On 08-10-20 14:59, Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-
Could be a number of things... Not a fan of Hughesnet at all, but if
it's your only option, it's your only option. I don't think that's the issue other than lag... it could be mTCP + the lag is causing issues as satelite internet has crazy latency issues.
You could probably try a windows/linux terminal like SyncTERM on your
host OS, at least that would reduce the layers between you and the BBS.
On 08-11-20 21:43, Dennisk wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I could have sworn I had a parallel laplink cable, but it seems not. I used one of those a few times, once or twice with laplink and once or twice for direct-connect networking in Windows 95 to play Quake.
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Dennisk to Arelor on Tue Aug 11 2020 09:16 am
It seems to me marketing is an arms race. The more money your competitor pu into marketing, the more you must. But you are running as fast as you can j to stay in the same place. It is very difficult to call it a folly, because being a member of our society means you must speak of its virtue, but...
Some industries and service markets are cut throat, and every little advantage helps. Unless you can convey your products or services are better o r a better value then your competitors, people will buy
whatever they first run into.
An interesting example is the story behind the first direct dial method being invented for the phone system. Before this, the caller had to
call an operator, who would route the call. An undertaker was
expecting a friend who was in poor health to be requiring his services soon, and called the family to check on his health. They replied his friend had passed, and they h adn't seen any correspondence from his friend noting a preference in funeral s ervices, and went with the
funeral home the operator suggested. The undertaker also learned by
way small talk the operators at the local switch station took bribes
from businesses, and would route calls to those businesses. The undertaker devised the concept of the rotary dial, and assigning
numbers and dialing prefixes to all phones as a means to bypass the operators who were being bribed.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-10-20 20:41, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't know that one. But does it coexist with mTCP?
Yes, it just needs a packet driver I think. The same one that mTCP
uses should work. Etherdfs doesn't actually use a transfer protocol,
it uses the hardware directly to send packets so it doesn't conflict
with anything.
Hmm, sharing packet drivers is scary. If I had a dollar for every time
I crashed my system attempting this. This was the reason I gave up DOS finally, it was too hard to do networking, because unlike other OSs,
which had a standardised network stack, DOS seemed to use the packet driver as the lowest common denominator.
I've never had problems with it, except for the fact that on the server side you have to ensure that filenames are 8.3 format and lower case.
Cool. :)
On 08-10-20 20:49, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
What is worse is videos where the presenter tries to speak in some idiosyncratic way, or just reads a document, slowly.
Yes, those are particularly bad.
... Real Sysops read the documentation; or at least skim them
From what I remember, I think there were files on the Windows
install floppies called DISK1, DISK2, etc., so you could copy all
the files to the same directory and install from there.
They might have been directories. :)
Weatherman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
That's funny. I didn't have any trouble at all adding TCP/IP support
to a Netware 3.12 network. Even used a Netware 3.12 server as a
router. Worked without a hitch. If memory serves, I even kept the old IPX/SPX transport intact, but admittedly that was over 20 years ago so
my recollection of the exact details could be a bit sketchy...
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
And yes, WFWG and OS/2 were the networking game changers.
I thought I'd drank enough to forget that.
Haha was it that traumatic? ;)
Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I gave up with the BSD Now podcast because a lot of what they did was
to read a document. The content was ok but the presentation was so lacking...
The "base" install was 15 disks, then there were some additional drivers and stuff I didn't bother checking out because I got everything running witht he first 15 disks.
On 08-10-20 14:59, Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-
Could be a number of things... Not a fan of Hughesnet at all, but if it's your only option, it's your only option. I don't think that's the issue other than lag... it could be mTCP + the lag is causing issues as satelite internet has crazy latency issues.
Yeah, if toy're out woop woop, satellite may be your only option. My parent are in that boat. They're around 20km from the nearest town, but their area sparsely populated, it's mostly riverine forest, and not even fixed wireless covers them, so satellite it is. Before that it was dialup, because they we way beyond DSL range.
You could probably try a windows/linux terminal like SyncTERM on your host OS, at least that would reduce the layers between you and the BBS.
Worth a shot.
... My VCR blinks 1:00 with Daylight Savings Time.
Yes, but what I'm getting at, is that it is largely a zero sum game. For example, advertising isn't going to increase the overall demand for undertakers, it just means one undertaker gets the business another would have.
You are spending more and more for a share of the same pie.
microsoft sez 13 disks
Come to think of it, you're correct. Mine did come with 4 other disks, though, but they weren't needed for the base install.
On 08-12-20 21:08, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've found two packet drivers crash the system too. That is why I've settled on mTCP and Etherdfs. I only need to worry if I want to use
IPX.
On 08-12-20 06:01, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I gave up with the BSD Now podcast because a lot of what they did was
to read a document. The content was ok but the presentation was so lacking...
On 08-12-20 08:43, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
They might have been directories. :)
On the floppy disks?
On 08-12-20 09:33, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha was it that traumatic? ;)
Oh, we had a mix of network cards from 3com, Intel, and some old
Eagle NE2000 ISA cards, and it seemed like what worked with one
wouldn't work with the others.
On 08-12-20 15:41, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My next attempt of improving bandwidth is going to the ATT store and
see if they'll sell me an LTE or other fixed data solution. Their
website won't let me go any further than entering in my location before
it pukes and says nothing is available, however by brother and friends
get a strong signal from the tower 400m across field from me.
On 08-12-20 09:31, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Weatherman <=-
I used to run Netware networks and Nortel PBXes. Those things never
crashed.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-12-20 21:08, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've found two packet drivers crash the system too. That is why I've settled on mTCP and Etherdfs. I only need to worry if I want to use
IPX.
Yeah, and I tried the shim that was supposed to make things wirk with
DV, but not much success. Yeah, I was never a fan of DOS networking, unless it was either for a simple, dedicated tasks (like Ghost network boot disks) or when the application, such as KA9Q NOS, could do
everything needed.
On 08-14-20 09:40, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Netware was the only other networking I got working fairly easily, but
I can't seem to get it working now. Either the copy that I've got is incomplete, or I'm doing something wrong. I swore I got it to share a disk before, but none of the documentation I find online seems to give
me a working share.
Re: Windows 95
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Aug 10 2020 10:36 pm
probably because he was doing a backup onto floppy using 1.44
disks, not 1.7x
I've never heard of a 1.7xMB floppy disk..
you never heard of 1.77mb floppy disks?
Not exactly.. 3.5" floppy drives & disks were available in 720k and 1.44mb size, and later 2.88mb but those weren't common.
Not exactly.. 3.5" floppy drives & disks were available in 720k and
1.44mb size, and later 2.88mb but those weren't common.
A "double-density" 3.5" floppy disk is actually 1MB unformatted, 720KB formatted for DOS and 800KB formatted for Mac. Similarly, the "high density" 3.5" disk was 1.44MB for DOS or 1.8MB formatted for Mac.
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Aug 11 2020 01:19 pm
microsoft sez 13 disks
Come to think of it, you're correct. Mine did come with 4 other disks, though, but they weren't needed for the base install.
what was on the 4 disks
On 08-12-20 15:41, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My next attempt of improving bandwidth is going to the ATT store and see if they'll sell me an LTE or other fixed data solution. Their website won't let me go any further than entering in my location before it pukes and says nothing is available, however by brother and friends get a strong signal from the tower 400m across field from me.
Strange they don't see you as being close enough to that tower.
... It beeped and said "Countdown initiated". Is that bad?
On 08-14-20 01:45, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAVEBBS
Strange they don't see you as being close enough to that tower.
... It beeped and said "Countdown initiated". Is that bad?
It's in how their website is set up. I can explain it to the brick and mortar store salesperson and probably get the kit i need.
Yeah, and I tried the shim that was supposed to make things wirk with
DV, but not much success. Yeah, I was never a fan of DOS networking, unless it was either for a simple, dedicated tasks (like Ghost network boot disks) or when the application, such as KA9Q NOS, could do
everything needed.
They might have been directories. :)
On the floppy disks?
It's possible. Been too long since I've seen any Windows 3.x disks. :D
Yes, sometimes nothing beats dealing with a real person. :)
I'm going to stop by my parent's house tomorrow and see if the disks still exist. I just read that the earliest edition had 21 disks then moved to 13 later by means of using compressed cab files, so hopefully this will clear up at least my recollection.
Yes, when I got an AOL (yes they did try to establish themselves here), it was like "oh goody, another free disk!" :D ).
Vk3jed wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
Or the AOL disks or CD's -- I've known several who'd format the disks for something else, or use the CD's as coasters for beverages. <G>
Yes, when I got an AOL (yes they did try to establish themselves
here), it was like "oh goody, another free disk!" :D ).
Interesting..
I never really used Macs much, except at school.
On 08-16-20 09:50, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
Re: Re: Hello world v2
By: Vk3jed to Daryl Stout on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:05 pm
Yes, when I got an AOL (yes they did try to establish themselves here), it was like "oh goody, another free disk!" :D ).
Was it still called America Online there, or did they change it to Australia Online or something?
On 08-16-20 16:58, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Oh yes, I happily gathered up all the free AOL floppies they
wanted to send. I also frequently requested "demo" software that
came on a floppy, from advertisements found in PC Magazine,
Computer Shopper, and similar. Wasn't usually actually interested
in the demo, just the free floppy that it came on... :-) I made
good use of those disks, and I think I probably have a few still
kicking around here.
I still have a complete set up for a 486 computer. Motherboard, harddrive and dos disks if I ever needed it. My first BBS was set up on three 486's linked together with Lantastic 7.0.poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
MINIX came with all of the sources, and since it was meant as a
teaching tool, the source code was well laid out and nicely
commented. I got a new understanding of networking by reading through
ne2000.c.
paulie420 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
That being said, I ordered Tenenbaum's Operating Systems book... (the original one) sure, its outdated - but what I'm hunting, I'm sure will
be fulfilled in reading it!
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